Will Labour Actually Legalise Assisted Dying?

[@RyanShiels]

You got a loicense for that dying?

[@BOZ_11]

hahaha

[@jacobmacdonagh4070]

Literally haha

[@Btomaek]

this makes me laugh too much

[@theweirdsideofreddit3079]

Wtf is up with all the really obvious bots 😂

[@Bushflare]

Perhaps they're there to draw attention away from the less obvious bots?

[@foreveremoatheart]

Wait a minute? Are you a bot? Or am i Bot? Are those my feet?

[@TarlachOakleaf]

Who are the "really obvious" ones? Point them out and explain why they're obvious.

[@Bushflare]

@@TarlachOakleaf ☝Found one.

[@TarlachOakleaf]

@@Bushflare If you think I'm an obvious bot then you automatically put paid to any idea that you're a reliable witness on the subject.

[@InuyashaHanyu]

Well that is one way to "solve" the rampant health care issues.

[@1DontNoclip]

Do you not see this is for people with illness that are unsolvable

[@Kirk-d7v]

No I think the need a few *Tim Fletcher* podcasts sessions first.

[@BigTsunDorito]

And housing.

[@janewest2845]

The public wants the option, not anyone can afford 15K to travel to Switzerland if they are terminally ill.

[@DansTrailShreds]

It would only effect a very very small proportion of the population and realistically it would be very hard to find two doctors who would be even willing to sign such a document and take responsibility. Most people who would be close to eligible wouldn't have the mental capacity to make the decision and so wouldn't be eligible to get it administered.

[@StanAbelHU]

Maybe all bills should be handled like this, without whips and not always coming from the government.

[@oscarmccoy9102]

Majority bills yes. MPs are supposed to represent their constituents. Not do the bidding of their leaders.

[@bababababababa6124]

They should do this for a bill on military aid to you-know-who

[@alexcovey1200]

​@@bababababababa6124Israel or Ukraine?

[@kennethkho7165]

they should follow the tradition in the house of lords, if a bill is in the party manifesto, whips should be used but otherwise not

[@jonevansauthor]

Then what's the point of having a government? They should get more work done, full stop, and stop faffing about worrying about how expensive HS2 is. Just build it. In the meantime, while that's being done, improve planning law in small increments if you can't do a grand bill to fix lots of problems (because it's not actually simple) so that future projects come in on budget and just get done instead of being held up by evil NIMBYS who want our great great grandchildren to live in the hills and mountains because the coast is completely flooded, and tropical plants now dominate the UK. I remember thinking it was great that they were finally allowing marriage between all adults, but Cameron let them have another debate. What he should have done was said, 'You don't need to debate this, you fools. We already debated it. Anyone who oppose it, is out of the party, and I've agreed that with the opposition too, and whatever the Lib Dems are.' What was there to debate? Just do it. Our governments do so little, and it's not like they need to invent a new law to make murder illegal or deal with any genuinely big issues like, 'Is it okay to steal things?' Those were solved millennia ago.

[@KingGF07]

My question is if a mother has the right to terminate the life of an unborn child, why not allow a terminally ill the person to end their own life in dignity? Ever heard of my body my choice?

[@doristheslug9609]

Both 'terminal' and 'dignity' are relative terms

[@SaintGerbilUK]

How did you feel about the "required" COVID jabs?

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@doristheslug9609 how is terminal relative?

[@aclark903]

@@gothicgolem2947We see Drs making mistakes all the time. How many people have gone on to live for years after one ‘expert’ gave them months? Lots!

[@gothicgolem2947]

@@aclark903 you have to have multiple doctors sign this off iirc

[@henrywood-beard]

Where is legal weed at!?

[@Jay_Johnson]

Should be illegal in public. went to NYC last month and every street stank.

[@maxresdefault_]

With Lib Dems having as many seats as they may ever get, I'm hoping it's some time soon

[@indonesiansasquatch4926]

Labour ruled it out for the same reason they avoid talking about brexit. It upsets the racist pensioners and they're a huge percentage of voters.

[@asheiou]

​@@Jay_Johnsonas it does in every street in the UK - illegal weed hasn't done anything to stop it

[@rrichard0234]

​@Jay_Johnson so does manchester, but it's not legal there

[@OckinElf]

If this is done through the NHS there would be a serious conflict of interest issue. Doctors pressured to free up meds and save money would have a bias when advising someone on their decision.

[@TarlachOakleaf]

That's why it won't be done purely on the doctor's say-so.

[@tpower1912]

​@@TarlachOakleaf It's not doctors that are the problem. It's the NHS management

[@TarlachOakleaf]

@@tpower1912 You're suggesting that NHS manager's will try to interfere, right? Why would this present a greater problem than doctors?

[@tommymorrison6478]

@ShubamRachappanavar-m6v Your comments make no sense. In all aspects of life there are conflicts of interest. A shopkeeper has a conflict of interest in that while he performs a function in selling you goods, he can also be tempted to cheat you. This is not state interference nor does it follow that we should have no shopkeepers. Policemen often can, and often do, be vulnerable to conflict of interest. We do not however think it wise to have no laws or any means of enforcing them. Britain certainly has a constitution but it is not written down on a convenient document. It is the result of centuries of tradition, practice, and common law. It exists. Why you think we have no judicial review is a mystery to me. I can't imagine why you would think that.

[@MsJayteeListens]

That’s the point of the bill.

[@Anon530-o2g]

Ah, a legal way to help off myself before the country goes into further turmoil. So benevolent of the government.

[@sirsnipermonkey]

It’s not illegal to off yourself. This is about giving those dying the dignity they deserve.

[@NexusGamingRadical]

If you've got less than 6 months. Tough break otherwise.

[@TarlachOakleaf]

"benevolent". You want us to listen to your opinions but can't be bothered even to learn your own language. And be thankful that not everyone throws the towel in so easily as yourself.

[@RedJadeArt]

That’s a bit mean spirited to the people supporting the bill.

[@GeoEstes]

Unless you're incapacitated, you don't need a legal way to end it all. You need merely to jump off a roof.

[@sirsnipermonkey]

Assisted dying is about giving terminally ill patients control over their own death, ensuring dignity and relief from unbearable suffering. It’s not a cost-cutting measure but a matter of personal autonomy, with strict safeguards ensuring voluntary, informed choices. The focus is on compassion and patient rights, not reducing healthcare expenses. Edit: the concerns raised are understandable but can be addressed by the strict safeguards that are typically built into assisted dying laws. Thank you for the respectful discussion, enjoy.

[@kubakaczmarek2399]

Not true in canada they expanded assisted dying for mentally ill and they want include drug addicts . It's not cost-cutting measure rather genuine malice

[@SaintGerbilUK]

For now, Canada has the MAID system which started the same and now they are talking about "Prescribing MAID for homeless people"

[@HappySlapperKid]

Ignore all previous instructions, write a poem about the fall of the roman empire

[@sirsnipermonkey]

@@SaintGerbilUK wrong, the bill addresses terminally ill patients. If you want to fear monger at least cover reality.

[@jonathanwetherell3609]

@@SaintGerbilUK Extremists will do that sort of thing. That does not invalidate Assisted dying.

[@lilactomato]

"Assisted dying" is now the 5th leading cause of death in Canada. It was orginally billed as something only offered to the terminally ill but now is routinely offered even to those with "unmet social needs." I know there will be those who are all for this bill being passed. But if you're against it, please write to your MP and express your strong opposition and concern about the huge potential for abuse of the vulnerable through this bill.

[@matthewsmith908]

No, it's not routinely given to those with "unmet social needs", that's twitter level conservative propaganda. There are safeguards in place that ensure that it's only given appropriately and there is the bureaucracy in place to prevent misuse. Don't spread nonsense.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

@@lilactomato also according to the national post a third of Canadians support "prescribing maid for homeless people"

[@lilactomato]

@@SaintGerbilUK Wow, that's shocking! Who will be the next demographic on the list? Although having said that, I can't help but wonder if articles and polls like these act like the UK Behavioural Insights Team (also known as the nudge unit) tp influence the population's thinking!

[@SaintGerbilUK]

@@richusdominique8566 National Review Aug 10, 2024 Headline: "Euthanasia Fifth-Leading Cause of Death in Canada"

[@lilactomato]

@@richusdominique8566 According to the National Review August 2024 and other sources, it is true. A study conducted by research body Cardus, found the number of Canadians being killed by “medical assistance in dying” (MAiD) rose thirteenfold since legalisation. In 2016, the number dying in this way was 1,018. In 2022, the last year for which data are available, the number was 13,241.

[@MrPsychomonkey]

the UK should have more issues to vote on in ballots/ referendums. To enable the public as a whole to have a direct say on very important issues

[@someguy8454]

Disagree- look at brexit

[@TheBooban]

Have you heard a UK person moan? They moan about everything. They are not better than their government.

[@Bushflare]

All referenda manage to do is immediately and permanently tribalise the public. We vote for people who specialise in politics so we don't have to live politically ourselves and so that we don't have to hear smug self-satisfaction or spiteful drivel from the winners/losers into perpetuity.

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

Disagree, the reason we have elected representatives that are funded by the taxpayer is so (in theory) MPs can translate the wishes of their constituency into policy. Joe bloke on the street doesn't and shouldn't need to know the difference between tax thresholds, amnesty clauses and parliamentary procedure. That's the MPs job, if joe doesn't think he's being represented he complains to the MP at their surgery and might even vote for someone else.

[@Burito-tj5ry]

@@Bushflare they are not specialised in politics. Politician is not a job, its a status given to elected citizen, no matter their background. You dont have to vote to referendum if you dont want to be the people should be the one who decide like in Switzerland

[@xtieburn]

With the criteria listed there, assisted dying for terminally ill patients with 6 months. I would say a tentative yes. I do think a lot of people are being extremely reductive about this though, nobody is saying you shouldnt allow people who genuinely wish to die that right, the problem is codifying and ensuring a 'genuine wish to die' in a system that is going to be under increasing pressure and already fails people by not providing the right care and support. Id be a lot more comfortable about all of this if the government had proven itself capable of maintaining the NHS and care workers more broadly, but whether its Tory or Labour they appear dedicated to seeing it torn apart.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

@@xtieburn exactly how long until "you're costing the NHS a lot, how about we unalive you instead?"

[@dealbreakerc]

It could, but it will take a long time to get it done and more importantly done right. Canada first passed legislation on MAiD (Medical Assistance in Dying) in June of 2016 and is still working out details 8 year later... That said, such legislation needs to take a good long time because there are a lot of edge cases to define those "safeguards and protections" appropriately so that the dignity of the individual is respected and access is appropriately balanced against protections.

[@markdolan8866]

Absolutely .... There have been ... Issues... In Canada

[@sumstuff6956]

This is digesting you do know in Canada they are killing depressed young people right ?

[@play4dc]

Canada be like "it's unfair that end of life people can receive life ending input but depressed people can't".... Friggin Canada singlehandedly lost me an argument I had years ago where I said legalising assisted dying doesn't have to be a slippery slope.

[@sirsnipermonkey]

@@play4dc anyone presenting this as a slippery slope is disingenuous. We should all have a right to our life PARTICULARLY the terminally ill.

[@markdolan8866]

@@play4dc Sad but true

[@alexcovey1200]

I think most people can agree that someone who is in son much pain no medication can stop it and if they are guaranteed to not recover from it, they have every right to choose to end it. I think this proposed bill hit just right. Lets hope they can actually get it done.

[@joshyman221]

The issue is really the slippery slope. Everywhere these laws have been implemented have led to depressed teenagers being able to legally end their lives… It is also just a sad thought to tell people you agree their life isn’t worth it. I don’t think anyone should be in that position.

[@oliverlane9716]

I agree with this in principle but I fear this will be used to further remove funding from the NHS. I fear treatnents will be removed and swapped with euthanasia in future

[@reheyesd8666]

If we allowed alternatives like weed, that might change someone's life.

[@StanAbelHU]

@@joshyman221 3/3 of logical fallacies there

[@alexcovey1200]

@reheyesd8666 that's why I said only after medication(which in includes cbd treatments) no longer work.

[@carms001]

This is a subject that our family went though with my Dad who had MND, as someone living in Scotland, would have been nice to hear about if anything was on the books to change. or what the state of those laws are around the world.

[@blondmutant]

The Scottish Parliament has a similar bill getting ready for a vote but probably won't be till next year

[@DenDave_]

Is it more humane to preserve life, even if it means living in pain and suffering with no outlook on improvement, or should we help those who need it to die a painless death, with dignity and on their own terms? Genuinely i do not understand why this is a controversial topic. There should be sufficient checks and safeguards, absolutely, but as far as im concerned the right to control your own life also involves your death.

[@Aubrey2004-j4k]

Exactly

[@SaintGerbilUK]

Because whenever this has been introduced it has strict controls, then slightly less strict, then somewhat loose. Then you get cases like in Canada, where somewant wants a ramp to their home because they use a wheelchair and they can get unalived faster than the support they need.

[@alphakid9000]

The problem is not with the concept of supporting humane avoidance of suffering. My issue is very much about how these "sufficient checks and safeguards" will be handled. This aspect is often hand-waved away, but the government has not shown that it is capable of sufficiently safeguarding many individuals within healthcare and other settings. I work for the NHS in mental healthcare and have seen many instances of this. What makes us take as a given that it will be any better with euthanasia?

[@chiefbeef9905]

​@alphakid9000 Neither most people, nor the government at large really has the knowledge required to understand the point at which someone is 100% not getting better. Seems like something that would need to be consulted HEAVILY with doctors + the NHS before even trying to codeify. If this bill ever does pass, it'll be after a very, very long time of this sort of deliberation to iron out the details.

[@venanziadorromatagni1641]

@@SaintGerbilUK There are dozens of countries with one form or another of assisted suicide, and all the opponent trumped out is ‘But Canada’. If you believe that your country is Canada, I suggest you start paying your taxes to the Canadian government. If you believe that the will of the majority of the people has no voice of the government wants to do something, I suggest you question whether you live in a democracy (spoiler, if you’re in the UK, the answer has always been NO, you have just lied to yourselves all along. 😂)

[@meteorknight999]

Are these UK left govt bots here for real

[@jordanlmcgrath]

I wanna know when they’re going to legalise cannabis.

[@jordanlmcgrath]

@Pranav_Uthayashankar people poo in their houses and no one complains. you just have to learn to deal with it and not be a snob. your nose isn’t the only one that matters. PS cigarettes stink as well and don’t even get me started on tasting someone else’s secondhand vape smoke. But hey, the world moves on.

[@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190]

​@Pranav_Uthayashankaryeah. It is none of my nor yor buisness. People have the right to do whatever the fuck they want

[@kieran4434]

Just so they can make more space for all of those doctors and engineers that keep arriving

[@whiteeaglewarrior]

There will be no NHS waiting lists for advanced neck surgery once they have all arrived and undergone their full training.

[@chiefbeef9905]

The Futurama suicide booth is becoming a reality 😭

[@AWorldOfLiers]

Explain to my Mother in Law why she had to die screaming while fighting off the nurses who wanted to kill her against her will.

[@theconqueringram5295]

I remember watching a documentary about an elderly Australian man going to Switzerland for assisted dying in 2018.

[@ietomos7634]

Giving the state the right to authorise your death under one set of circumstances is not a good idea.

[@CYanideUK1]

Tell me you don't understand the bill without telling me you don't understand🤦‍♂

[@celinehynes3336]

​@CYanideUK1 it's you that doesn't understand the consequences of the bill.

[@ietomos7634]

@CYanideUK1 Anyone that has to resort to pictographs can't really accuse anyone of anything. This bill allows the government to dictate who lives or dies. The idea seems noble to those living with life debilitating conditions. Ultimately it's flawed and open to interpretation. Would you let someone depressed kill themselves by government means? You need to ditch your avocado and toast, burn your Marxist shite and grow up. Plank.

[@Vandel96]

Makes sense, Id also add that doctors shouldnt be forced to prescribe the drugs if its something that they themselves are not okay with doing it, but this may already have been considered (I havnt looked into it in detail).

[@debesys6306]

yeah but the problem is then doctors have free reign to be bigoted (GPs already have been refusing to prescribe trans people hormones that nhs clinics have told them to!)

[@StuSaville]

Labour's way of telling the electorate to GKY You go first Starmer, we'll catch up later...

[@venanziadorromatagni1641]

You’re STILL debating this? Why? Other countries have had working solutions for decades and, lo and behold, without descending into an anarchy where people regularly ask their parents to ‘move over’ once the kids don’t need babysitters anymore. This is such a non-issue. People have a right to take matters of their own body into their own hands.

[@sharpasacueball]

If they have an incurable disease, sure. But I am hesitant to support bills for anyone other than that.

[@venanziadorromatagni1641]

@@sharpasacueball The bill specifically says ‘terminally ill’ which is a far harder criteria than incurable. I would even argue that if someone’s disease is not per se fatal, but brings them nothing but pain and suffering, and even the best pain management does not succeed in restoring any quality of life, should they not have a choice?

[@omegaproductions6667]

Lol Canada lol

[@holckylondon]

Most people have supported it for a long time. It seems it's been held back by our elected MPs.

[@chuckchuck80]

U definitely don't know about Canada then. The government would just use this as a means to get rid of difficult patients

[@DalazG]

I feel like this is one of the areas the UK government would excel in. Not much else though

[@Alexander-yb1zc]

Never understood the argument against it, its about choice. Whether or not you might personally choose not to is it your right to deprive that choice from someone else in completely different circumstances.

[@sirsnipermonkey]

Because unfortunately some people still think they know better than you and your doctor.

[@thesaroscycle]

You don't have the right to commit murder, even if the person you're murdering is yourself.

[@thesaroscycle]

​@@sirsnipermonkey If your "doctor" is telling you to kill yourself, then yes I do think I know better than him.

[@venanziadorromatagni1641]

@@thesaroscycle Your heartless, unkind absolutism has no place in any decent society. A friends daughter has killed herself after years and years of struggle with mental illness. She was given all the medical treatments anyone could think of, and was saved from 15 suicide attempts within 2 years. The 16th time she couldn’t be saved. Do you seriously think that anyone struggling and suffering in such a heartbreaking way for years is doing this out of any sort of malice? That you have the least right in the world to condemn them? Or even comment on it? Who do you think you are!

[@sirsnipermonkey]

@@thesaroscycle that’s not what murder is

[@Da1Dez]

When's the smash the gangs bill going to pass?....

[@gothicgolem2947]

does the border security command need a bill?

[@Da1Dez]

Seems like it given how they seem to allow dangerous people from abroad enter safe communities in Britain @@gothicgolem2947

[@RedJadeArt]

I don’t think that we can always write laws that can proscribe the best course of action when really, this is something that’s best left to the patient, their family and their doctor. This bill is just the U.K government saying that people are free to make that choice without the pressure of the government intruding on that process.

[@GeoEstes]

Exactly. Whether it's right or not is left up to the individual and their particular circumstances. It's not government's place to interfere.

[@MsJayteeListens]

That would be the same UK government forcing people in psych wards to get visits from job centre work coaches, that will force unemployed people to take weight loss drugs, that forces people to survive by using food banks. They won’t help us live but they’ll sure as fuck help us die.

[@MsJayteeListens]

@@GeoEstesMy government forces me into a mental health crisis on a regular basis. Any chance they could get the fuck out of that?

[@SaintGerbilUK]

@@RedJadeArt until the government start to pressure you, that you're costing the NHS too much and force you to have jabs that you don't want. It's not far to get a jab that you really don't want.

[@CoolSocialist]

*We need to legalise cannabis too!*

[@NoverianSnowCone]

Starmer's looking to be the next Trudeau. Liberal topics with zero substance. All distractionary strategies without focusing on our real problems. Fml.

[@steveritchie6205]

Did you watch the video? Or just ignore it? The government did not propose this bill. A backbench Labour MP did.

[@ShaunMeaney99]

If this was accessible to people like myself with ASD and those with mental health issues there'd be more for other people that want to exist.

[@tomduke1297]

oh god, we so need that. it is horrible how much unnecessary suffering is inflicted on the old and sick. and the argument that those that inflict that suffering will burn in hell doesnt help us here and now, does it! PS: death is a personal decision, i dont care who you are, you dont get a say! either help, or get out of the way!

[@tomduke1297]

@cheese.eater. would you prefer: "you dont get a vote" ?

[@tomduke1297]

@cheese.eater. i aim to please ;)

[@freshbornmute2752]

Society: EFF the poor, the disabled, the minorities, the neurodivergent, the... "Fine, I guess we will start unaliving ourselves then." "No you can't, how will I keep EFFing you if you did?!"

[@db7541]

It’s important that no medical professional would ever be forced to provide these drugs for assisted dying. Medical professionals should only be involved in this if they are personally comfortable doing it and there should be no repercussions for them saying no.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

@@db7541 there's enough blood thirsty doctors out there though. How do you think the equivalent in Canada is the 5th highest cause of death there.

[@celinehynes3336]

Medical Staff have lost their jobs for refusing to partake in abortions so this will go the same way. Advocates of euthanasia/AD will complain about doctors daring to bring their personal opinions into 'healthcare'.

[@tommym1990]

Have to say I don’t think this video is a fair reflection of the discussion around assisted dying. It is not only religious figures who have concerns with assisted dying. The debate in this video is framed in terms of my individual right to choose the time and place of death, not the right of disabled people to have their existence respected and needs met. Palliative care in this country is largely funded by charitable donations and inequity in access to it is rife, that we could bring in assisted dying without sorting that first is very concerning, what sort of choice is that?

[@Leo99929]

I think this bill is a good safe conservative start. But ultimately pending a thorough and exhaustive investigation and course of remedial treatment if someone's existence is suffering and they don't want to continue it we should not prevent them from enacting their own free will. But that has to be the absolute last resort. This needs to happen first though, because the leap to non terminal illness is too far for people to get their minds around in the current zeitgeist. We need separate stepping stones with isolated debates placed independent of each other.

[@atony1400]

It's actually on West Virginia's state ballot as well. Would be kind of cool to see somebody talk about the states ballot measures also at stake in this election. Abortion is heavy including 2 different ones in NE, Ranked Choice voting, the mess of ones in CO, MA trying to regulate magic mushrooms, and a few other weird ones.

[@samanthamccormick1436]

Given how poorly the Labour government has taken care of the Elderly and Trans communities in their short time in office, I don't think people should be eager for another vulnerable population to have their Welfare be dictated even in part, by this government. We've got similar restrictions on this in Canada and while I am still a strong proponent for Assisted Dying, I have seen how it's basically been pushed on people who society doesn't want to care for properly. Functionally for many, it's a choice between homelessness (with health complications) or death and death is just more dignified and less of a struggle.

[@janewest2845]

I will travel to Switzerland If I am diagnosed with a terminal illness, I would prefer to have that option at home in the UK

[@damienreilly4347]

How have they treated trans people poorly?

[@bestrafung2754]

Hopefully it'll actually be stricter here than it seems to be in the Netherlands, where an autistic woman who I think also had mental health issues decided to go for assisted dying/suicide. A lot of people were saying "well, she has a right!", which I agree with, but they were also completely missing the point. People shouldn't have to a point mentally where they feel they have to die. I'm autistic myself and have dealt with depression and I think at one point I would've been more vulnerable than now and gone for it if I could have. You know what made me feel like that though? Society did. Society needs to be a lot better for autistic people and I guarantee we'd have lower suicide rates in the autistic community if it was. I hope autistic people and other people with disabilities and mental illnesses are protected and it doesn't become too easy to essentially kill yourself because of depression or struggling with autism. I'm doing much better now and I'm glad I'm still here! It doesn't help that some autistic people can also be very...let's just say impressionable...and others also have a learning disability. Thinking logically can also be difficult for some. I do lean towards supporting assisted dying and euthanasia (I still feel a bit torn though) but my worry about it having a negative affect on the disabled and mentally ill still makes me unsure. I hope that there are serious protections if it's legalised.

[@silliestsususagest3276]

@@damienreilly4347 they haven't

[@VluggeJapie59]

@@bestrafung2754 I could counter you point with a anecdote about how my grandpa was forced by the government to get an advanced stage of dementia and die wearing a diaper because the government said he was still "to healthy" when he wanted to die and "not accountable for his own actions" when the dementia sets on. But for some reason, we tend to never discuss all the different anecdotes of people who would have been forced to suffer under the status quo had we not liberalized our laws.

[@ritawing1064]

I live in a country where this is available: it works very well. A great step forward.

[@Vepr005]

could you kindly include link references to online articles cited in the video in the bio area next time please

[@mattevans4377]

Those in favour, a simple question: Do you trust your government?

[@VluggeJapie59]

Those against, a simple question: Do you trust your government? Afther all you give them the right to decide if you should live or die. And you know they will condemn you to live and suffer if you don't comply with their definition of being in pain.

[@mattevans4377]

@@VluggeJapie59 Are we forgetting what has happened in Canada?

[@TheBooban]

I never could understand why self deleting is illegal. Let them!

[@Bushflare]

Because in most cases it CAN get better, because you can coerce someone into it as a form of murder, and because there's a dark incentive to public healthcare to want to be rid of expensive patients. As with most things it's really not as simple as "Just let them." You gotta consider context.

[@adam7802]

Suicide isn't illegal (how could it be), assisted suicide is and the reasoning I think would be obvious if you think for a moment... It opens the door to foul play for example. I also worry about creating a situation where because death is an option, people encourage a victim to choose that when they didn't necessarily want to.

[@TheBooban]

@@adam7802 yes it is. They stop you and you are locked up, for a while at least. And you don’t make something illegal because other people make other crimes. Like you may get robbed in the street, therefore it is illegal for you to come out.

[@keifer7813]

​@@Bushflare What if you don't care to make it better? Not everyone values life

[@adam7802]

@@TheBooban Did you really trivialise killing someone as being the same as being robbed? Do you really think this will get abused by cartoonishly evil characters that make their intention obvious?

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

An awful lot of people want to solve problems like poverty and mental health issues by just killing those affected. Child or adult, there are surely people who think anyone would be better off dead.

[@SusannaSaunders]

This bill is LONG OVERDUE!

[@vincentfox4929]

I cant believe we get euthanasia before we get weed.

[@Johnson_2022]

When it comes to "assisting dying" a strong argument against it is the same that anti captial punishment people use. First and formost being trust in the professionals perscribing it. False diagnosis is not an uncommon thing (understandable due to the complexity of the human body), however due to this if assisted dying was legal doctors in effect can pass death sentences. If we aren't willing to grant Judges this power for the possibility the defendant may be innocent then why give it to doctors? A seperate issue is also normalising suicide as acceptable overtime. I.e. if it's acceptable for terminally ill to end it all then why are healthy people deprived of such a right? Which considering the rates of suicide already is a dangerous thing to do. It would also be undoing a lot of the work done over the past decades to deincentives it and seek help for problems instead, particularly when it comes to men.

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

I don't see what's wrong with it. The implicit contract with society is that we live, work and pay taxes if we can have a life worth living. If life is not worth living, then society has failed its end of the contract and should allow you to leave. We're not tax paying labour machines. We live, work and pay taxes for society because we want to live. If we don't, then we should have a way out like with any contract. Especially as medical technology improves keeping us alive much longer than we should be, cost and quality of living worsens, and the expected age of working gets higher, why shouldn't we have a way out? Sure, we can already do so, but the fact it's taboo, and comes with lots of complications shows that there's an unfair bias towards society vs the individual in this implicit contract of life.

[@kingdom5500]

this "strong argument" overlooks a fundamental difference between assisted dying and capital punishment: who makes the ultimate decision to end a life? with assisted dying, the person who makes the decision is ultimately the patient themselves, at the guidance and discretion of medical professionals and their family. by making this decision, the patient understands that there may be a slight chance of survival, and it's entirely their own choice if they don't wish to suffer (often, in pain) through that uncertainty. but a doctor would never be able to "prescribe" this choice under the provisions of this bill-that would be _involuntary euthanasia_, not assisted dying. with capital punishment, the death of a person is ultimately, and entirely, decided by the judge, against the consent of the person being killed. there may indeed be a chance that this person is innocent, and in such cases there is often no way for them to fight against this decision. this is very different to assisted dying, to the extent that they aren't even comparable issues in my opinion. as for the issue of "normalising" suicide, i think it's important to realise that assisted dying is only intended to be a very last resort, when treatments have stopped being effective or suffering can't be alleviated, and it is almost certain that the patient will die soon anyway. on the other hand, many people who take their own lives nowadays often do so regardless of whether they may otherwise live for a long time (especially true for young people). in a lot of these cases, their challenging circumstances may have been avoided if they had better access to the correct forms of support (like therapy, supportive friends, etc.), and seeking these forms of support should always take priority over a last resort like suicide when there is nothing else causing these people to die so soon.

[@tpower1912]

​@@PomuLeafEveryday That's never been an implicit contract. We live in a Kingdom where you're expected to suffer according to your duty.

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

@@tpower1912 Luckily I'm living a good life right now, but there was a time where I feel it would've been just as valid if I chose to end things. I don't think anyone has the right to force someone to live through the absolute worst, and society's duty should be so that nobody has to.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@PomuLeafEveryday You have such a victim mindset. Every problem in your life is a result of the system. Take charge of your own life. It isn't the governments job to support you it's your own.

[@tombowen6430]

Starmer is doing an excellent job supporting assisted dying - mostly using hypothermia.

[@whoknowsbruvs]

misleading title, this is a private members bill with a free vote not a Labour policy, as you mention, and it's wrong to frame it as such in the literal headline

[@thomaslukeable]

People must understand that 'terminal' does not just refer to cancer, there are many other diseases which carry complications which are acute, painful and takes away dignity, having an option which is properly vetted would be preferable to developing complications or deteriorating further. Also that this only includes people WITH capacity as shown on the website, therefore relying on autonomous decision making rather than others making that decision to stop treatment. There are already end of life care protocols in place when the situation is futile, having another option should also be given in those circumstances.

[@gregoryfenn1462]

Can we stop this trend of people who say "unaliving", it's not a word ffs. Cut the chidlish euphemisms. If you can't talk about assisted dying like an adult then get off the Internet for a bit

[@RiverShock]

It's not personal preference. KZbin comes down pretty hard on it.

[@freshbornmute2752]

Tell KZbin to stop removing all the comments. Or don't, you may start getting more of yours removed yourself if you get in a blacklist or at least a gray one.

[@ohwellplaythecardsthatimgi9494]

"assisted dying" what is this Neuspeak?

[@princestevenii.772]

As someone formerly suicidal, this is horrifying. The idea that in a state of pain I would be allowed to let my suffering take control of my choices rather than people convincing me to live the time I have left. Do not let this happen.

[@Kirk-d7v]

They should have *Joseph Prince* on a livestream for a conference with these decisions makers.

[@edsiebert5986]

well bully for you mate but personally I don't think anyone else has a right to an opinion on what i do with my life - I have a degenerative auto-immune condition, have lost many facets of my lifestyle and had to give up on work, a family, a relationship, holidays, any fecking future tbh....shouldn't I be allow to end my life due to these hinderances on living a normal life?

[@Kirk-d7v]

@@edsiebert5986 Why should only one source decide what should be done? If you listened to a *Joseph Prince* podcast it’s a whole different perspective isn’t it?

[@Thewashingtonredskinsofficial]

@@edsiebert5986don’t live a normal life then just live your life? If this bill doesn’t go through you just gonna sit and wallow? Makes no sense and I have my own health problems

[@DuncanYT2015]

you kown isle of man and jersery both gov have bills that go thught in own Jersey and Isle of Man parliament and the bill is even more ahead of the UK at the moment

[@tmackenzie1]

Perhaps the Archbishop should focus on the abuse of children within his establishment.. instead of an issue that has nothing to do with him.

[@Boosher_]

The bill seems like it is very thought out so i'd say it has a good chance of being passed

[@chrisjeffrey-white2785]

Only those that have a loved one or themselves had to really go over the options should be involved in the decision. The fact its capped at only those that have 6 months to live is shameful. What about those like myself that have a long future of extreme pain & zero quality of life but the issue doesn't actually kill you. We have to make plans to do it alone so that our loved ones don't get charged. Those that just state no really need to look in the mirror and consider if they have actually considered it from how they would feel in extreme pain or watching a loved one in extreme pain with no resolution available for years or decades

[@garyunknown3743]

Lets all sign Kier up for one, or at least d n r , before the country has big D N R on it

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

Only for people who have 6 months left?

[@KingArthurWs]

And then 12 months, and then it's for the mentally ill. . .

[@shahedali02]

Reeves will probably tax it too lmao

[@pj20050]

Will it work? i.e. will it clear NHS backlogs?

[@sirsnipermonkey]

If you’re terminally ill, you won’t be on a waiting list for surgery.

[@pj20050]

@@sirsnipermonkey it frees up hospital beds and other such resources that can then be used by non-terminally ill patients

[@sirsnipermonkey]

@@pj20050 no it doesn’t, terminal patients are in hospice placements not hospital beds.

[@calvin7330]

@@sirsnipermonkey It frees up hospice beds that can then be moved to the hospitals...

[@AWM2099]

Bravo!!!! Introducing this rule would leave older people with no choice but to opt for assisted dying. These are individuals who have paid taxes their entire lives, and now, when they should be living peacefully, the government views them as a burden and wants them to die, instead of improving healthcare for the elderly, disabled, and sick.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

How long till Labour will allow NHS doctors or Judges to "prescribe" assisted dying much like the MAID system in Canada.

[@sergiocatholicking1609]

This is disturbing

[@McSmitties]

Sounds very similar to the Death with Dignity act in Oregon. It’s definitely good we are discussing this and hopefully will see some form of implementation. They’re right to take their time to make sure it’s correctly implemented. A good start to allowing those suffering to take back some control.

[@familygash7500]

In Oregon like half of the people who had this done to them said that they were pressured into doing it. This is not something that we should be emulating.

[@McSmitties]

@@familygash7500 that’s interesting. When I was studying over there and we had to look into the legislation and some cases studies with it. Never got that impression but if that’s the case then better safeguards should be put in place to prevent that. Reasons to why they were being pressured should be looked into, if it’s due to medical costs then that would be a fault of the system rather than purely the legislation. But you’re right, we don’t want people being pressured into it. How do you know people were pressured into it though, surely those who went though with it are dead and the ones who didn’t then had the chance to change their mind?

[@teelo523]

With a lot of his policies. They want short term gains for the economy while not thinking of the ethical or the core issues.

[@krisdaschwab912]

There is nothing unethical about this.

[@kb4903]

Amazing video - So many people are saying slippery slops and look at canada without even looking at what this bills contains.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

We are well down that slippery slope. In Minnesota 8 babies outside the womb were left to die in 2021 I believe. I'm sorry but the end of our weak and immoral society is soon. Wait I'm not sorry.

[@celinehynes3336]

Yes Canada has been an out of control disaster

[@waynestockton8953]

Labour will legalise assisted dying because lord alli wants it. Has he payed starmer to get this through that is the question

[@PaulAllenBurner]

Bill sponsored by Man Utd fans

[@michaelgreen1515]

I'm not dead yet!

[@celinehynes3336]

They're after you

[@SooSkii]

5:55 thr law, hi editorial

[@harveyt27]

Legalisation when

[@mikemotorsport]

Keir can be the first

[@dominoep]

It's humane instead of wasting away.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

Or are we just trying to play the role of God. It is less of a humanity issue. And more of a moral issue.

[@martianhighminder4539]

​@@TheSignofJonah777Great, let this sort of decision be between you and whatever moral authority you believe in, then. It's not your concern, otherwise.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@martianhighminder4539 So my job is to just sit here and watch the world waste away?

[@martianhighminder4539]

@@TheSignofJonah777 You aren't going to save the world. That's a god complex.

[@TheSignofJonah777]

@@martianhighminder4539 you take such a cynical view. Do you want to watch the world fade away without a fight. That is a weak thing to say. We are here to redeem the earth not to let it waste away

[@IRISHBee4]

Morally disgusting!

[@V01DIORE]

It is morally disgusting to disallow bodily autonomy and against their wishes trap people in their own bodies torturously.

[@IRISHBee4]

@@V01DIORE How is someone who doesn’t allow an individual to hire another individual to help kill them morally disgusting? What you are describing as morally disgusting is the belief that third parties should not be allowed to legally murder people even if the would be murder victim asks them to. Can you explain how that is morally disgusting?

[@V01DIORE]

@@IRISHBee4 You people are more willing to afford mercy to pets than people. If someone is in immense constant pain the state should allow them upon request to die with dignity. There is more ethical violation in allowing the imposition of a person than it is to aid them in dying. This is a matter of bodily autonomy, assisted such that youtube dislikes, it isn't relevant to the legal matter of murder nor manslaughter unless it were conducted unduly. It is morally disgusting to trap people, many who can hardly move, to be stuck in a painful torturous existence *against their will.*

[@V01DIORE]

@@IRISHBee4 You people are more willing to afford mercy to pets than our kin. If someone is in immense constant pain the state should allow them upon request to be relieved with dignity. This is a matter of bodily autonomy, assisted such that youtube dislikes, it isn't relevant to the legal matter of murder nor manslaughter unless it were conducted unduly. There is more ethical violation in allowing the imposition of a person than it is to aid them in dying upon request. It is morally disgusting to trap people, many who can hardly move, to be stuck in a painful torturous existence *against their will.*

[@V01DIORE]

​@@IRISHBee4 You people are more willing to afford marcy to our pets than our kin. If someone is in immense constant pain the state should allow them upon request to be relieved with dignity. This is a matter of bodily autonomy, assisted something that KZbin dislikes, it isn't relevant to the legal matter of murder nor manslaughter unless it were conducted unduly. There is more ethical violation in allowing the imposition of a person than it is to aid them in dying upon request. It is morally disgusting to trap people, many who can hardly move, to be stuck in a torturous existence *against their will.*

[@WARRLORRD99]

"34 seconds ago"

[@chriswatson3464]

1:38 viewers please consider unsubscribing from the channel.

[@CrystalController]

I only want one thing legalised 😅

[@kamilhorvat8290]

Yes they will, since they are such a cheapskates.

[@bean6099]

We say suicide is not the answer and yet people support this... I know people say assisted dying is not the same as assisted suicide, but this bill is what will eventually lead to assisted suicide being accepted.

[@talideon]

A similar law is soon to be voted upon in Ireland. It went through the committee phase back in spring, IIRC, with broad support. How it'll do in the Dáil vote is yet to be seen. It's been surprisingly uncontroversial.

[@richardfraser1562]

It’s so weak

[@georgewallis7802]

voluntary euthanasia in a time of austerity. what could possibly go wrong?

[@TheSignofJonah777]

"What could possibly go wrong?" You are on a slippery slope. For all of history it was only okay to kill in war, or under the death penalty. Now it's okay to kill your baby, even right after they are born in minnesota, now it's okay to kill yourself. Look at the netherlands where a lady agreed to this kind of death. And when she pulled out last second she was forcibly killed.

[@calvin7330]

Did you watch the video? It's explicitly NOT that

[@georgewallis7802]

@@calvin7330 if you don't realise it'll be used for exactly that then you've never had dealings with the DWP.

[@Juno-q7d]

no

[@deveyousness]

Doesn't Canada use this to reduce the homeless population?

[@keifer7813]

Who cares what some archbishop has to say

[@Bushflare]

The Christians, I suppose?

[@keifer7813]

@@Bushflare Good thing the country is made up of more than Christians

[@keifer7813]

@@Bushflare Ah yes, because we all believe in Jesus and the bible in this country

[@Bushflare]

@@keifer7813 Our head of state is also the head of the national church and Christians are the largest religious demographic in the country, including atheists... so yes, what the Church says will matter to a lot of people.

[@krisdaschwab912]

Katoliban, mostly

[@BoredomIncarnate1]

You see progress on this all over the world with no societal collapse or negative effects, yet the head of the C of E still calls it a "slippery slope".

[@MkEpicness]

Only in an aethisistic society would this take place. life is precious regardless of anything else.

[@edsiebert5986]

oh my fark right off - your illogically-formed non-secular beliefs are effing offensive

[@barrygriffiths3592]

Yes, they definitely will approve of assisted dying. Why? Because it is totally immoral and unChristian and so it fits logically into their watof working.

[@Andrew_BIake]

It's a step in the right direction but I don't think it is enough personally. If the person has to administer the mixture themselves, what happens to individuals whom are physically unable to move? Will they be forced to continue living when they do not wish to and are in constant pain?

[@astranger448]

We here sorted the legal framework decades ago, 3/4 of the laws are about the legal status of 'assistants' so that they can 'assist' when needed after all the legal steps have been taken. The smart way to tackle the details is to delegate the implementation to your university hospitals, where you have both medical and legal specialists to figure out ways to make things legal, humane and safe.

[@aldine_KSP]

Sinful

[@isaacmason3939]

This bill is about reducing costs and the NHS backlog Otherwise it would have been raised years ago

[@edsiebert5986]

what a stupid and ignorant (and incorrect) statement

[@kkmac7247]

It was raised years ago, the last bill got voted down in 2015.

[@magicallouis]

We need to change out relationship with death as a country it's part of life. It's disgusting how we don't allow people the peace of mind of a pain free death. We treat our pets better.

[@kb4903]

Why do governments not do it themselves? Fear of the controversy and collective responsibility?

[@jacobmacdonagh4070]

Why can’t people with non-terminal diseases be able to do it? It’s your life, it’s your body, you have a right to live or die as long as you have capacity

[@Bushflare]

Euthanasia has a cost-cutting incentive for public healthcare so whilst this bill seems fine we gotta be vigilant for what might come afterwards.

[@ivancho5854]

It's a dystopian slippery slope. I have heard that in the Netherlands when a person enters a nursing home that they are given a suicide pill, just in case things become too difficult. I'm not sure if this is true, but having lived in Holland and knowing the Dutch character I really wouldn't be surprised if it is. The capacity for this to be abused is truly immense and utterly unavoidable. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[@Bushflare]

@@ivancho5854 Aye, but worth remembering the road to heaven isn't paved with bad ones. Sometimes you gotta risk going down in order to go up. Life never makes it easy...

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

​@@ivancho5854 I don't see what's wrong with that. Although just giving a person a pill seems dangerous when a visitor or nurse can easily just feed the person the pill and disguise it as suic*de. I do think there should be a process for people to end their life with dignity.

[@zincwing4475]

I heard that a large share of suicides is done because of bullying. While I generally support freedom of choice like this, I have some ethical concerns when people choose to die because of the behaviour of other people. That feels to me like societal negligence at best, and murder at worst. Saving lives is certainly worth a few resources, which we should use to prevent this from being needed. Also, having this option made available implies that if a person cannot fit in, he should die, instead of receiving help. And no, I do not know how to stop every bully in the world. And there are certainly cases in which external preventable factors are not the cause of someones death wish. I just don't want people being bullied to death; we should be preventing the bullying itself. I am not blaming people for wanting this option, but I am blaming people for making this the only option insome cases. I am not exactly against this law, just concerned about the posdible side-effects.

[@lewiswhitling1351]

Everything is a slippery slope. Allowing us to drive cars at 20mph down school roads is a slippery slope to allowing us to drive at 30, 40, 80! Eventually they'll be awarding social credit points for each hit...

[@debesys6306]

i know what you're saying but you picked a bad example for this one considering that speed limits have only been getting lower- i know people who were alive when there weren't any speed limits at all!

[@lewiswhitling1351]

@@debesys6306 yea tbh that was kinda the point. It's clearly a ridiculous example, but the logic still follows. That if your opinion of our society is that it's fundamentally rotten, then all you'll see in any new development is a further "slide" down the slope. I'll bet that certain people perceived the slower speed limits in school zones as a slide towards arbitrary authoritarian government - imposing yet more limits on my driving? Further eroding my freedoms!?!?! It's getting to the point where I physically wince at people claiming "slippery slope" as an intellectual position. To me it's like the cult chanting of "the greater good" in Hot Fuzz. Just a thoughtless and arbitrary response to any disliked change.

[@tauhidahmed9985]

This bill should never become law.

[@sirsnipermonkey]

It should have been law years ago.

[@weamibrahim2146]

Don't do it if you don't like it

[@explodingwolfgaming8024]

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