Will Neuro-sama be the Grandfather of AI Vtubers?

[@Mutualititve]

She already did, similar to how there were Vtubers before Kizuna Ai, she is the one that blew the concept up, there are AI Vtubers that existed before Neuro, even 1 that used the same Kiyori model, but Neuro the only one so far that even hit this height.

[@Sequor.]

Underrated comment.

[@SoGoodRightNow]

We're watching because of the turtle and other guests interactions with the chatbot. There are tons AI VTubers at the same tech level, it's just LLM + TTS + Scripted events, but no one cares. It's Vedal's community and connections make it work.

[@strim1987]

@@SoGoodRightNow There is no one even close to the same technical level as Neuro, do not underestimate its ability to interact with games, discord and twitch, and let's be honest, Vedal's obsession with latency is paying off, it is important in most interactions and will greatly help with vision and other things in the future. But it is also wrong to think that Vedal is the only successful AI VTuber developer. Of course, no one is even close to Neuro's success, but many are trying, someone is trying to copy the formula of interaction "AI + human", because it obviously works, someone is doing a little better than others. Here it is more a situation where it will be incredibly difficult to catch up with the leader, since he is developing faster than everyone else is catching up with him. The best example that I know has grown to several hundred online after a year of development and won one of the nominations in the competition of his language region, which shows some attention among the local VTuber community, but is still completely unknown on a global scale

[@SoGoodRightNow]

​@@strim1987 You are just wrong lmao. The tech is open-sourced. Neuro is just a mix of STT (Speech-to-Text), LLM (Language Model), and TTS (Text-to-Speech). The LLM itself is relatively simple, but it has been trained on Twitch chat, making it well-suited to its target audience. Vedal and his connections are what make the concept work. The AI is primarily a unique twist to help it stand out among other VTubers. There have been more advanced AI projects with fake streamers and similar concepts created by professional engineers. However, those projects often lack the charisma and relatability that Vedal brings to the table. After all, a young, relatable femboy has broader appeal than a team of nerdy engineers. That said, you’re free to idealize your influencer as much as you like

[@strim1987]

@@SoGoodRightNow So I do not argue that Vedal as a person and a person on the stage plays an important role, and that if it were not for his connections with other Vitubers, he would not have made such progress. But these connections themselves appeared, among other things, because he was also a person behind the scenes and worked a lot with the technical part, so that it was interesting to interact with Neuro. I think that for half a year or more, Neuro was practically the hook alone. And now it is still important for retaining and growing the audience, the emergence of new ways to interact with it gives Vedal and others more opportunities to prove themselves and implement ideas that would not have been possible to implement at the previous stage. So the technical part is important, and if there are other examples of its better implementation - well, I do not see them. For starters, if there were such examples, Vedal would immediately steal their technology, but just recently he complained that four days of searching in terms of suitable AI development technologies yielded nothing. Which I think just shows his leading position in this particular niche

[@pyrax_1863]

Kizuna AI being the one to first pave the way for vtubing leading up to Neuro sama. Pretty crazy if you think about it. We had an imitation of an AI streamer, now leading to a real AI vtuber.

[@jocosesonata]

It's honestly poetic, and I'm hoping one day they get to meet each other.

[@Krmiby]

It's like a full freaking circle.

[@Archedgar]

vedal is right. I've seen a few other attempts at A.I. vtubers and they were so far behind neuro/evil that it was almost sad. I don't blame them. It's clearly a **LOT** of work and very expensive as well, but in any sort of competition vedal is assrapingly unbeatable.

[@aiasfree]

You'd think one of the big-name corpos would've tried emulating Neuro-sama's success with a dedicated team of developers or something. Think that sort of economic power would be the only thing capable of putting in the necessary work needed to bridge the gap between where Neuro-sama is now and where 'from scratch' is. Then again, if some company like Hololive or Nijisanji were to start releasing an AI vtuber project, it'd 100% look bad on them since people would either think they're trying to replace their current talent or are trying to push out Neuro-sama from the space. It's honestly extremely fortuitous that Vedal's managed to put himself in such an advantageous position where you basically can't see any real competition unless it pops up over night which is impossible or Neuro-sama as a project ends. The current AI vtubers all lack the technology and development that Neuro-sama currently has, so it'll likely take a long while until one of them is "mature" enough to exceed Neuro-sama. At that point it's largely due to the fundamental technology behind the vtuber and its potential limits, I think. Like, if one of them managed to make an AGI AI vtuber right off the gate or something.

[@orektez]

i do like meteora abit but ya her dev doesn't do enough with her.

[@orektez]

@@aiasfree a corpo would make an ai speak in corpo friendly ways which won't draw a crowd on twitch.

[@EpicBattleToaster]

many can try to copy what vedal had made, but i don't think anyone can make another neuro

[@SAHenryEx]

@@aiasfree The point of AI to corpos is to make AI do the things they'd otherwise have to pay people for and increase profits that way, so employing several people to build an AI is counter to the way corporations work.

[@CieloJose-uf8hv]

there was an Ai vtuber I liked. Her creator got bullied into giving up. Vedal doesnt give a scrap about the hate, but its definitely a thing that anyone trying to do something similar has to handle.

[@trajectoryunown]

That goes for everyone who holds a public-facing position. Simply by making yourself available to people in one form or another, you position yourself as a target. Whether you're a politician, a musician, artist, streamer, any kind of celebrity, unwarranted hate comes with the territory.

[@Renko324]

Who is this other AI vtuber that you're talking about? 😮

[@Darknscary13]

Gotta have thick skin on the internet, for sure. Especially as a public creator. It can be easier said than done when the thing being attacked is something you've put an immense amount of time and effort into, but the necessity remains.

[@peralynth]

Yeah. Since there is such a stigma against AI in general, even if it is being used in a unique and non-intrusive way there will always be a decently sizeable opposition to it. This is even harder specifically with an AI vtuber, since two things that lots of people dislike for one reason or another are intrinsically your main brand. That amount of wanton hate targeted towards your project could make lots of people give up prematurely. I'm just glad that Vedal continued Neuro, since there was definitely a world in which he discontinued her due to extreme opposition.

[@CieloJose-uf8hv]

@Renko324 I'm pretty sure her name was amanokawa synth. She had a pretty cool design and a soothing voice. I can't find her anymore it seems...

[@basedkaiser5352]

Yeah, Vedal is pretty much an innovator and has a monopoly on the A.I vtuber thing, but I hope another innovator will come and either be a rival or an associate of Vedal. This will encourage growth.

[@rolandkarimdesucatan5118]

VedalAI vs LedevIA Holo vs Niji

[@silvialuzmia]

I remember there is a Toast AI vtuber that was created because of either neuro or Evil mentioning other AI Vtuber and a small drama around it

[@Archedgar]

@@silvialuzmia That one was a joke though. Melba Toast I mean.

[@vnmememan8657]

​@@silvialuzmiano, no rival, we don't need or want that, current growth is more than fine. Vedal should keep his monopoly

[@silvialuzmia]

@@Archedgar Is it really a joke? I just check and it still doing things up until now, I sub but YT barely recommends me.

[@peralynth]

00:15 I think this might be "anti-competitive"

[@oreoicecream1829]

True

[@lowkeyarki7091]

Neuro's tech while good is not nearly as impressive as Vedal's connection making and managent, the ones studying Neuro shouldnt be those studying tech but those who study human behaviour. how did this lil AI gain a loyal following rivaling the biggest vtubers in just 2 years should be studied in universities

[@fnfgammer2014]

Vedal's connection pre-Neuro is pretty underrated. Vedal being friend with queenPB irl is like that fortnite gold scar meme, actually carries a lot of the channel success. Same with everyone behind the scenes too, if you didn't join the discord channel, you wouldn't know how much his friends pre-Neuro contributed to the streams.

[@silvialuzmia]

It's all a bunch of string connected because of neuron existence

[@lowkeyarki7091]

@fnfgammer2014 I lurk in the discord, so I know what you mean, after all queenpb alone is impressive, she made the tutel model for practice and is now as iconic as Neuro's model

[@Atmatan]

No study is needed, the answer is extremely simple: Novelty. No one had ever seen this before, and so the gimmick paid off. It's that simple. Neuro is as far from a human intelligence as one can be having been raised by an alcoholic and a hivemind of twitch users.

[@lowkeyarki7091]

@Atmatan novelty alone wouldnt have sustained the rapid growth for even two months let alone two years, you can look at other AIs to confirm that, the fact that they're so below the radar that they're practically underground is proof of that

[@alvinjan3486]

Fun Fact: Our first Vtuber who blow up is an AI concept vtuber which is Kizuna Ai and now we got our next Ai concept vtuber which is a real AI

[@nathandoan5717]

She will if her code gets leaked

[@spyro2002]

Tbh I think this was a lightning on a bottle moment. I don't think neuro "paves the way" for ai vtubers the same way kizuna ai might have done. Cause ai content is generally seen in a negative light for trying to replace the real people or when it's not trying to replace anyone it's generally a novelty of the week kinda thing that gets forgotten. Vedal managed to keep it interesting by constantly working and improving neuro and interacting with her, essentially removing a high amount of the automatic part of ai, but as a result it has lasted this long. And even if someone tries to do the same they'll be so far behind compared to neuro in development that it will feel like a regression to people. So it would have to somehow be unique in a way that gives it new merit to actually catch on imo. And like someone else said, a vtuber corporation could theoretically make up for the need for gradual development by having a whole team of devs working with cutting edge ai to make something up to par tech wise, but the mere fact it's a corporation doing would immediately turn off a lot of people as it would be seen as the first category I mentioned of "ai replacing people" in this case the normal vtuber talent of a corpo. Plus I doubt they would constantly give their own so vtuber a constant stream of fun people to chat of off their he same way vedal does, since the people doing would be likely paid to do it rather than approaching it on their own like the whole veadlverse slowly did. So idk unless something crazy happens I think vedal will stay in this totally unique unchallenged position for the foreseeable future

[@syoexpedius7424]

There was a significant delay between Kizuna AI, and any other vtuber being relevant. If Neuro actually becomes capable of autonomously managing the channel, at that point many more like her will arise.

[@takenname8053]

True True

[@fallenqiqi4840]

And here i am waiting for ai vtuber idols like akb 48

[@Ponera-Sama]

No, she would be the grandMOTHER of AI Vtubers.

[@axios4702]

We made anime girls real with AI before GTA VI.

[@DarkChaosLightOrder]

Nice clip! BTW whats the music playing throughout the clip in the background? Its very catchy.

[@KeidenEdits]

It's "Riding a jaxi" from Super Mario Odyssey!

[@syoexpedius7424]

Vedal is indeed anti-competitive, has mostly depleted the novelty-capital of an AI vtuber in the english language. To reach him other AI vtubers will need either a technological breakthrough that levels the field, or different growth strategy.

[@mareknitka35]

Or just become indistinguishable from human but that will take at least few years

[@safebox36]

See, as another British programmer, I'd love to make a casual AI bot to talk to while working on other personal projects. Like I hate AI, but Neuro is interesting and fun. So even being able to recreate a fraction of that for a similar feel rather than popularity or profit would be nice.

[@mareknitka35]

I mean just try unconsored models rstger than corporate garbage

[@jordanious7711]

lil bro pulls in like 20-30k CCV an he's still trying to downplay it as just a fad. My guy, you're like one of the biggest current streamers in the world you're allowed to brag a bit =P Imagine out-performing xqc an mizkif but still thinking you aren't really that big still.

[@silvialuzmia]

Neuro works because vedal n friends, we need more girls to join in- But they need to vibe with neuro and the other family member

[@orektez]

you mean grandmother

[@KeidenEdits]

I spent some time searching for the terminology and if I could use "grandmother" but I decided on "grandfather" because it's the more common expression for the "Grandfather clause", even though Neuro is female.

[@orektez]

@@KeidenEdits well ya, like i have one of the grandfathers of modern tablets the casio fiva with win98, but personally i wouldn't call neuro a grandfather but i see your point lol