Will Runescape 3 Last? | An open Discussion

Today im asking the question if the video game runescape 3 is slowly dying and why I think that might be the case
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[@lasersharks]

Many of you have seemed to miss where I mention my idea at the end being its own world and server or mini game and NOT deleting what exaist now. That way you have both and can cater to both the existing players and the new ones. I know I will get this question, "why are you in legacy?" The nodons hit like tanks in multi combat and its easier to use legacy on them for slayer =] I also forgot to switch back until halfway through my dragons task LMAO!

[@SirAkivar]

Most of your comments are from people who didn't make it past 30 seconds. In-Game mini-game would be great for something you can hop in, do a proper Dungeon grind, then take something from that to the main game. Take Shattered Worlds and Dungeoneering and fix those in their respective ways, then go forward from there into a new system where you can fight actual bosses for lesser rewards, at any time from level 1 to level 99's and all perks, skills, aura's you can hop into a "Training Simulation" and learn mechanics, and maybe even grind for those mechanics without doing certain quests. (That would be cool.)

[@Etsa]

Couldn't the inverse also be true that the problem is that the early game and mid game just isn't very good right now. We really shouldn't just want everyone to skip to max level that just proves there's a problem with the entire early in mid game.

[@XAn0nymousX0]

My push back on this is that when a long term mmo reaches a certain point, the barrier to entry just feels overwhelming for new players. If you aren't bringing in new players, the game stagnates and "dies". Runescape isn't the first game to fast track the end game and it won't be the last. I'm not arguing that it's the correct or best solution but I'm just pointing out there's another side to it.

[@Avrahffxiv]

Runescape has to improve its combat imo in order to last. I think with improved combat the system of character progression is unique enough that people will enjoy trying it and new players will enjoy it as well. Right now both osrs and rs3 feel like they only ever get players who had previously played RS at some point in there life. It's just a very mediocre experience doing early/mid game combat when you have games like FFXIV and Wow. I like runescape's quests and personal character progression more than most other mmos but I just cant get excited about endgame pvm due to ridiculously bloated complexity and just not feeling satisfying. And there is an entire youtube channel dedicated to discussing the problems with RS3 combat that I think hits the nail on the head.

[@superleipoman]

Most importantly, the game has to have good tutorials, unclutter the (default) UI, improve QoL for switches (i.e. ingame macros) and increase lobby timer. Catching up doesn't actually take that long unless you're trying to get BiS. Getting t90s with beginner perks is pretty easy, but you have to know what you're doing. Also shop runes go a long way.

[@MonkstaRS3]

What channel are you talking about?

[@Avrahffxiv]

@@MonkstaRS3 it's just called "Project Combat" i believe

[@MrFroTW]

I hear you but I thoroughly disagree. RS3 isn't going anywhere and if you think it is then you probably haven't looked enough into other MMOs. There are hundreds of games still going with fewer than a thousand players that show no signs of stopping. Hell even Everquest still comes out with expansions. The other point I take umbrage with is this idea that the "young kids today don't have the attention span we used to". This is a line that's been used for decades if not centuries and is just not true. If kids had an issue with spending a lot of time for little gain then MineCraft wouldn't be the gargantuan behemoth it is today. Now this is not to say that Jagex should just sit on their thumbs, they should always be trying to make a better game and always working as if death is just around the corner but trying to get "the Fortnite crowd" is folly. Those people want an entirely different experience than what RS3 can provide.

[@tonynguyen8166]

So the kids retention span thing is true, there's a reason tik tok exist and is popular. A game like minecraft doesn't require too much attention,but I do agree rs is here to stay because u also don't need much attention as well. Some of the activities can be afk. Only problem I think is people constantly talking about mtx being a problem or rs3 is ezscape. But yeah people ben saying rs was gonna die even with the row but never did

[@Ayoutubeaccount3]

@@tonynguyen8166 It's true, there was a study done showing how the average attention span has gone from 12 seconds to 8 seconds in just 15 years and continues to decrease still, I find it true in myself that I'm irritable if I'm not consuming enough content now, it's something I have to be mindful of. Our brains are like a muscle and they adapt to what we use them for (neural-plasticity), if we are getting used to mindlessly consuming content, skipping through videos, no ads, listening to messages on 2x speed, watching tiktoks we are just going to further decrease our attention span.

[@lasersharks]

at what player count do you consider it a dead game?

[@MrFroTW]

@@lasersharks excellent question! To me it's not about a hard number but whether or not I see people in the world to interact with. And seeing how I still bump into peopme on worlds with ~50 folks I'd say we're long from dead in my book.

[@lasersharks]

Correct many seem to be shallow minded to how the world is changing and stuck in their old mindset and haven't looked at how it's changing people. Only reason I do is it's kinda my job studying psychology 🤣

[@meanarkan106]

i did an ironman on rs3 and i enjoyed it but engame pvm is wayyyy too hard if you don't play 10 hours a day to learn it, there are way too many combat abilities for me, that's why I quit.

[@kjgaming2436]

I think there needs to be a rs4. Simply for the fact rs3 has ran it course. It’s been out forever and even as a maxed iron player. The pvm grind is insane I’ve spent over 200 hours grinding asc and don’t even have 1 finished. So I quit again.

[@GLW675]

I’m roughly 2800 total level have all quests but daughter of chaos done and still haven’t found time to get the stupid Excalibur lol

[@mitchwackett3864]

I think the issue lies with what people make the object of their focus while playing the game. The main motivations that fuel the baseline gameplay are exp gain and money. Ironman mode does a fair job mitigating these elements into meaningful grinds for resources and game-character improvements. However, it's the boss drop rates that really slow everything down and heavily contribute to the money issue in the main game. Since it takes hundreds of hours to acquire gear upgrades, it becomes more worthwhile to simply buy it. The game becomes all about money instead of achievement. At some point killing a boss for the 463rd time becomes meaningless. You've already proven your ability to best the challenge, but you have to keep killing it because the drop rate for the weapon upgrade you want is 1/500. The grinds change from striving toward an achievement to simply waiting for a dice roll. Jagex has implented changes for accelerating exp gain, but nothing for improving drop rates at bosses as this would heavily disrupt the economy and disgruntle the majority of the player base. The value attributed to boss drops is straight gp, not achievement or game progression. As much as Ironman mode absolves players of the inflated economy, it is still the effect of the main game that prevents drop rates from being lowered and making the game more about achievement and progression than money and efficiency.

[@javierhuizar4207]

Turn wars retreat into the new dominion tower. Have War sell upgrades for marks of war and expand the shop. Everyone starts at 99 all skills, and it is separate frome the main game. Boss drops are limited to PvM equipment or extra marks of war.

[@r3y6360]

here me out, OVERHAUL GRAPHICAL UPDATE. i think if this game just buckles down and goes through graphically updating, switching engines and rebuilding the game from the ground up transfer/convert accounts once its done i highly think this game can be saved

[@TomiIslam33]

True time is very valuable there is so much very important things to do in real life and have a life not a no life and I love battle royale Like pubgm and pubgns Runescape is still easy to run... And mobile rs is also very helpful... And I don't dare to play OSRS until im good enough with my time management irl and I'm slow 🐌 hopefully that's fixable... And I need plan with os not so much with rs3 soo rs3 is main game....

[@kacy6014]

Finally someone with an audience says this. I don’t get why no one talks about it. The combat’s clunkiness sucks. The half second lag on every input sucks. Storylines being presented as PowerPoint slides is ridiculous (animate that sh*t like any other modern game). Jagex just wants to milk the current dwindling player base instead of modernizing the game. I love rs but jagex’s overall attitude towards this has annoyed me for years.

[@themoagoddess1820]

something like OSRS's LMS, but pvm focused would be pretty neat tbh, bot infested if there's rewards of any kind, but neat.

[@kacy6014]

Riot’s mmo is gonna hit Jagex hard just because they refuse to modernize the gameplay.

[@oozlemcboozle1095]

The more rs3 tries to cater to new players the more it alienates the old. Osrs has more players then rs3. What does that show? It shows that rs already has a dedicated playerbase. And the addition of things like mtx, boosted xp rates, and fast tracking end game actually turns people off more then on.

[@DTreatz]

All osrs shows is jagex history of self sabotaging updates company has been killing itself off since 07, that year is no coincidence sht company

[@freetranslate-u8e]

I disagree. Osrs is not the same as RuneScape 2 anymore. The only nostalgia is the bad graphics in osrs. Aside from that it's a totally different game now.

[@eshiithefennec]

2:10 i don't have a smart phone :D *that has a battery that lasts more than 2 minutes. -w-

[@abir1125]

Interesting video. A lot of creators put out the news, threw in an opinion, and gave Jagex some advice but this felt like a lot of thought went into it. Well done.

[@ZulacecekStarcraft]

Making an mmo rpg into a pve moba basically. Not a good idea

[@pennywisegaming287]

the fact you think osrs doesnt get its funding from rs3 is insane

[@ADstoic]

I agree! I can't wait to see how long RS stays around with how much competition is coming out none stop. Hopefully we get some really good new lore and more creators and make new lore content 🙏

[@desolacy957]

almost one of ur first sentences is allready wrong.. Since basicly RS3 is holding up the OSRS servers cuz of the MTX :) so maybe get that a bit straight first..

[@Noahthedog8]

According to the past few years earning reports, OSRS bonds have generated more revenue than runescape 3 bonds+ microtransactions together. OSRS started being more profitable since like 2020.

[@desolacy957]

@@Noahthedog8 because 90% of te players in osrs are bots.. so the stats are not entirely reliable :)

[@Xspress]

@@Noahthedog8 alot more shady thing's going in osrs earnings but rs3 has these same shady things going on to but at a less degree obviously because osrs is easily accessible meaning you can play on a low end devices and pc also osrs is more popular and you can tell because all you have to do is look at the KZbin numbers between content creators and overall popularity, but rs3 player base seems to have a strong set player base and more updated content and is hold high expectations on its future with big updates like the upcoming graphical updates and more added on content. Runescape 3 has two ways of micro transactions that osrs doesn't have and that's keys and runecoins and in RS3 they make event every so often, they make it so you can bypass it using these micros giving them more use in-game. To get to my point is that osrs is bringing in less money because membership and bonds are osrs main source. Vs runescape 3 prememium memberships, bonds, runecoins and keys, also now yak-track which functions like a battle-pass, It's safe to say RS3 is keeping OSRS alive, will these games keep living? and the answer is of course maybe for 10-20 more years we'll never really know but look at other MMO's compared to RS3.

[@lasersharks]

osrs has enough players that are members to hold it up on its own actually.

[@Xspress]

If that's the case then RS3 hold it's own plus more.

[@rafaelmeseguer382]

I have thought that they could do a terraria like game mode, where there are no level requirements, there would still be skilling but all resources, equipment, weapons and upgrades would be locked behind certain bosses, resources are gatherered faster and boss drops are a lot more common, maybe even introduce it with group ironman so you can start characters with friends and play with them and not worry about damaging the economy of the game

[@lasersharks]

yep make it its own thing entirely and i think the no levels but still a grind for gear would really work for them also they have amazing lore and characters to build off on for a campign

[@TK-er2tw]

if they cancel rs3 i want my money back

[@michelhickey5765]

rs3 wont go anywhere until a new game can completely replace it in every way, never happening unless it is actually next gen rs .

[@lasersharks]

but if players keep burning out and it starts relying on whales how does it keep the lights on?

[@michelhickey5765]

@@lasersharks they wont burn if they don't take rs like if it is a job, they can go for agility runs irl, like biking or going for a hike, i might do 5 Croesus kills , a few glacors and feel satisfied, I will max but I don't feel the need to be maxed at all

[@lasersharks]

@@michelhickey5765 yeah but they arent doing that because they arent seeing it as a viable use of their time for the slow grind

[@Trowoverl0rd]

of course people are still playing it. But Rs3 just don't have that old style pking anymore lol

[@silver3344]

Yes, if they downsize their servers count and make a community out of the existing players more tight-knit that would be my first start. One could "port" your existing character into a new game starting in a new age/era. This allows for new areas or reusing the old areas and making them renewed. That said, all of the tutorial crap added to the game demystifies it, which is why many people were drawn so hard to RS since classic... You really didn't know what was where and things were more random and chance-based for the longest time. The game truly rewarded those who chipped away daily at skills that took forever to get completed. I think if they work back to the rudimentary basics of what drew so many into the game, they could easily revive it.

[@116yony]

I don't agree with anything you said. 1: what you're saying is that you agree with all the BS that's happening right now. 2: you say RuneScape will die and I don't disagree with this but your methods to keep it alive will just make it die faster. 3: buying accounts with max stats or midway there? That's the final nail on the coffin. 4: RuneScape always been about the grind RuneScape or ANY MMO should not cater to everyone (you can't grind or don't want to? Go play something else). The moment it does the MMO is either dead or just sucks. 5: MMOs are supposed to be grindy games. It's supposed to be hard or time consuming to acquire items. If we make RuneScape overall into a TikTok game where every 30 seconds or less you get a dopamine hit that's gonna get boring very quickly. The whole point is to get into a long grind and once you get that one drop boom! You get that dopamine hit and it feels better than anything that could be 30 seconds.

[@nickman287]

I might be in the minority, but I don't understand why people don't go into the headspace required to enjoy the rpg part of the game, which is imo the best part about it. It has some stinkers, but it's an adventure, and it's fun

[@Guardhousetv]

meanwhile lord of the rings online has 400 active players and still around

[@hasanramy8111]

It's a lost couse the game took the path to make more money and milk it until it die

[@daven7944]

they need to remove places like castle wars and dead minigames and replace them, massive free areas on the map.

[@afsoc4life]

To be honest I have been looking at how to exit and recoup sunk costs.

[@itstime3171]

i mean my computer was running adventure quest i tried perfect world for a bit but pc would always crash on it fiesta outspark was goated back then, maple story wow counter strike ragnarock combat arms aion guild wars D&D i think these were all the popular games back then with thee exception of a few missing and fiesta wasnt really on that list it was a game that was dope asf though and i used to play it. but i do believe most peoples pc's for sure werent running difficult games back then,

[@zmcnasty325]

In my opinion rs3 will never die as long as RuneScape is around. In real life companies need to make money. They aren’t making bank on osrs compared too rs3. The amount of MTX in rs3 compared to osrs is night and day. Jagex as a whole will not survive on just osrs memberships and bonds. Rs3 provides new buyable keys with cosmetics xp gains almost every couple weeks. I’ve spent hundreds on keys and and bonds on rs3. I have over 11k hours on osrs and legit have only payed for membership. Without rs3 jagex doesn’t exist.

[@zmcnasty325]

And too add one more thing I’m a veteran osrs player maxed with infernal cape. I quit a couple years ago for rs3 and haven’t turned back. I believe if the community gave rs3 a chance I think it would give osrs competition. I think rs3 is the better game if you can look past the MtX. Hence why I’m an iron after I maxed my main

[@deanwhittle1301]

they should make bxp week 3x the exp aslo i pay around £60 a year for rs3 premier club i would not mind paying around £75- £80 if i got a lot more cool stuff like they could buff the legendary pet looting by around 25%-50% aslo they could give us some cool cosmetic ability overrides for free with premier club stuff

[@bakkiepleur_FPV]

3x the xp are you serious? It's already overpowerd with 2x xp..

[@piewwwwww]

I always played osrs and rs3..but ive quit osrs cause of the lack of new content and in the recent years rs3 has been killing it..wether its boss, quest skills.. i dont think the burnout thing is as prominent as people say..in general, people rather talk about negatives stuff over the positive.gamers are a bunch of whining princess who will never be satisfied. I mean obviously if the only thing ur doing 12hrs a day is grinding corp you'll get burned-out but there is enough content in-game to avoid such things and people are starting to realizing. In my opinion the game is well and healthy and the sales are there to back it up.

[@darkcymruchannel5683]

on short answer no

[@deicide245]

Jagex has to rewrite the game into UE5, better characters better graphics better animation remove the tick system. Add waifus into the game. Profit

[@admiralelk9198]

After playing both for the last year I think they are both dead games osrs is a burn out the only ones that play osrs are the ones that played it before no new players rs3 is bringing in new players

[@PCgamerChannel]

I actually think osrs will die and rs3 will continue. Just look at the bossing updates rs3 is getting on a regular basis opposed to osrs geting a new boss every 4 years.

[@SCH292]

Mix bag if you ask me. The big problem with RS3 bossing is that they are pumping out "quantity" and constantly tossing in high power creep. I'm sure you don't know or remember? Back then they said they will not go beyond T90 and now..lol. These "regular bossing update for RS3" is ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS why RS3 economy is so crap now.

[@PCgamerChannel]

@@SCH292 I love everythig they are doing and new bosses are great zammorak is the most mechanic heavy boss made yet

[@SCH292]

@@PCgamerChannel These new bosses are one of the main reason why RS3 economy is so inflated. They keep pumping out these bosses, keep "copy pasting the common drops" and making the rare drop so rare to get. The only way to "increase the chance to get the rare drop" is to stake and enrage or something. Right? What will players do with the large amount of common drops they get? They gonna sell it in the market of course. Supply and Demand. Common sense. Right? Well by common sense this means the prices of those common resources like RawRocktail or whatever other resources will crash aka devalued because there's too much in the market. What is Jagex responese? "We gonna add in taxes!".

[@lasersharks]

unfortunately yeah some of the rare items are a tad bit too rare so if there was no commons people wouldnt get any dopamine

[@SCH292]

@@lasersharks Yeah for sure. If the bossing player don't get any sort of drop to make up for his/her time, something to cover the resources that they costed them before or something they aren't gonna play which is likely to trigger the rare boss item drop to inflate even more and mostly complain on Discord or something. If they constantly get large quantity amount of common drops like RawRocktails among with other resources that is gonna trigger the prices of those items to drop once the bossing community flush the items into the market therefore harming the average casual player(skillers or so). So it's like the Cobra effect. Try to fix one thing but it end up harming another. I can tell ya this though. It's not the average player's fault. Jagex's fault for constantly pumping out these bosses, Jagex's fault for worrying to much about P2p scheme and of course for listening to the streamers and content people.

[@bluntedsage]

We had so many other games to choose from when we started playing RuneScape lol

[@bluntedsage]

I think your even younger then me by like 5-6 years and you still choose to play RuneScape

[@lasersharks]

not on my pc and internet connection it was either runescape or flash games

[@lasersharks]

i also runescape was in a league of its own back then in terms of games you can play for free

[@bluntedsage]

@@lasersharks hmmm idk how long you played back then or when you played but also you didn't have any consoles at all ? I played off and on for a while like I would of had 15 year cape if my first account didn't get hacked I logged like an insane amount of hours on it too lol like 42k when I did check but yeah I had a shitty comp only ever played counter strike and RuneScape I only started again cause mobile lol

[@lasersharks]

exactly on most peoples pc runescape was THE KING it was also one of the best ways to talk to friends after school as i mentioned

[@cartsy3032]

The game is definitely dead.

[@DSFXRENDER]

osrs will prevail.

[@lasersharks]

it will indeed

[@Sh1fth4ppens]

plz dont make jagex make the game easier than it alleready is xD u can alleready start bossing with 50+ combat skills xDDD and as long they update the game , it will not die

[@SCH292]

Off topic okay guys? We all heard of "the dead content" topic lately right? Dead Contents are stuff like...mini games, the Diversion and Distraction(such as Sinkholes) or others. I think Jagex should patch up some of these dead content, toss some of these dead content into F2P, allow f2p to train up to level 20 mem skills, give f2p access to T65, change the requirement of weapons, armor, give f2p easy to medium clue scrolls or so.

[@UniqueGentlemen]

Every game mmo honestly has this… the skip to level 60, the auto light level 1350 instead of 1300… it’s not new .

[@anthonyaisbitt9667]

RuneScape will go on forever

[@CookedEm]

I don’t know you personally who how many other MMOs you play or have played but RS3 is a truly unique experience. Yes it needs some work and the Wildy update was an absolutely massive improvement. I believe it will continue to grow in the future IF they fix the tick system. It doesn’t need a new engine(nearly impossible for them to do at this point) just needs some reworking to catch up to todays MMOs in terms of combat. Of course not everyone wants a grind now a days. But RS3’s grind is a lot more fun than other MMOs. OSRS has a different appeal because of the nostalgia even though the servers are absolute turds, I’ve never lost connection on RS3 but it happens atleast once a day on OSRS when I played. RS3 has more potential than OSRS imo. It definitely needs some work but man the potential is there

[@lasersharks]

when did you first play runescape?

[@avenged3118]

Its not a grind to everyone. you say: if i want the excalibur i need to do the quest. the quest itself is content and if you dont mindlessly click through it and actually read the conversations its like reading a little book. so content.

[@avenged3118]

in addition; i don't think its good to buff the xp rates. everything has to go QUICK these days, QUICK QUICK QUICK. i personally enjoy runescape because i can do some laidback gaming. you cannot play laidback fortnite/warzone/whatever. runescape has all the components of a good game. the laid back gaming and also the "more intense" gaming (pvm)

[@lasersharks]

Indeed there is a market for the grind but its shrinking, You can play that version but you will be the minority and if runescape starts dying off expect them to start making more lucrative ways to milk money from you to keep the lights on as the games populations dies off is all im saying

[@avenged3118]

@@lasersharks you say the market for the grind is a minority. why do you think that? there are not really any statistics that i know of that say the majority of the rs3 players dislike the grind

[@lasersharks]

yes current players, but if they wish to survive and grow they need new players so you need to look at why they are leaving and address it.

[@Den_niels1997]

I think you're right about this. Jagex is just scamming us, i played the game from the beginning watched all the updates loved playing the game for many years but nowadays its not hard anymore if you got the mony you gan get like 5.6b xp in one week lol

[@lasersharks]

i wouldnt go as far to say its a scam as you are still getting a Benefit for your money however i would say its milking

[@TomiIslam33]

Yeah still takes lots of clicks and that while would need to take a vacation to do all those clicks and insane rich cuz it's not that cheap... And all scams are avoidable...

[@Etsa]

I think since the Gowers sold their shares and stopped being in control, that's when the shift started. RuneScape was the Gowers baby, they cared about the game itself. The corporation that is there now, is a business first. Devs might love the game but they aren't in charge.

[@Den_niels1997]

I stil love to play the game. But its just not fair anymore, just like the new update on September 12th the fresh start worlds. Why shut we pay for it just to bring more mony in the game. Instead they shut focus on fixing the economy.

[@TomiIslam33]

@@Den_niels1997 XP in a normal game is not bad especially if you know what are you doing. But since I'm slow bad at time management and there is so much very important things to do in irl that even me as a veteran I would play that and have way less worry about levels even doe I lost my old acc and playing on fresh for about 3 months there would be almost no kinda small difference cuz I know what I'm doing and use all useful stuff and plan to do things 2 at a once and faster and efficient etc... Just saying...

[@ilyrana]

mmo's as a whole are a dying genre. rs is fairly stable. so it probably wont die it wil stay stagnant