Will the ChatGPT AI Replace Developers in 2023?

[@shanermahmud1086]

Because of ChatGPT, I am afraid to lose the job that I don't even have yet...

[@mohammedsalmanali01]

Same

[@gatoloco1873]

You can be sure that the 6 figures jobs are officially dead. I would not pay tons of money to a dude that may use these kind of tools lol

[@jonathandavis8599]

@@gatoloco1873 how would you know? Unless you are a developer yourself.

[@thebighow2757]

Same here, feel like giving up 😓

[@albatalu-ali]

@@thebighow2757 same thing man, that's why i'm here, i conpletely lost motivation to go into tech

[@sebastianvarona781]

I decided to ask to chatGPT itself and it replied this: As a language model, my main goal is to assist software developers in their work by providing them with relevant information, suggestions and solutions. I can automate some of the repetitive and mundane tasks, but I am not designed to replace software developers. It's important to note that while I can write code, I am not able to understand the context, the requirements, the business logic or the user interaction that a software developer should be aware of when developing software. Moreover, software development is a complex process that involves not just writing code but also problem-solving, critical thinking, design, and communication with other members of the team. In summary, I am a tool that can help developers to be more productive and efficient but not a replacement for them. - - - - - - - Hope it helps!

[@ainanzahid4481]

... kinda convinced me that it will take over...

[@hafsasheik5662]

@@ainanzahid4481 😂

[@slothguy5946]

It's a tool for now tho

[@MrBluemanworld]

Haha...the perfect answer only Skynet can give before it hacks the nuclear codes around the world and wipes us off the planet.

[@shaunweinberg2463]

Thats exactly what an AI bot would say

[@vintagewander]

It can't replace developers but I'm damn sure that it will create more developers

[@butjok]

AI Denial Syndrome

[@blackliquidsorrow8249]

How?

[@TripleA679]

I noticed since the dawn of AI there's now two new professions in tech, I'm not sure if they are developers or not but they are programmers as well, 1 is the Data Scientist and 2 Machine Learning Engineers.

[@jonathandavis8599]

@@butjok dumbass syndrome

[@rezamuhammad4974]

@@blackliquidsorrow8249 programming just became alot easier

[@StephenAinsworth1]

I feel like this is one of those rare moments where there is a leap in technology. I guess like you mention there was a jump from plain text editor to an IDE and then we got CoPilot which helped assist or suggest snippets of code, now we have this which can write entire programs for you, or at least a good starting point. The content writing is pretty impressive too! I think this will be a great tool in helping developers much like how we use stackoverflow/tutorials/google etc. Where we can get the answer or close to the answer pretty quickly. I should add that you still have to understand what it's suggesting to you, so there's still some learning or understanding of what it's generating. So programming hasn't gone away, it's just much easier to get the information you are looking for

[@stephenkrus]

This might be the last resort help "if" Stack Overflow can't help you in certain situations. 🤔

[@StephenAinsworth1]

@@stephenkrus Would be tempting to use ChatGPT first rather than Stack Overflow...crazy I know :D

[@TJHooper123]

when copilot came out, I heard the exact same thing about how programmers' jobs were on the line. How rediculous is it now to think that's what people were worried about. To this day, not one company has replaced a programmer with Github Copilot. I will be very very very surprised to read in the news about a company that fires their engineers so Stacy from accounting can just cut and paste chat gpt into their entire business.

[@kebman]

Think about the jump the world made when search became ubiquitous. The only way to gain general knowledge before that was really the encyclopædia. Or if you lived close enough, the library. While the library still remains, most people are throwing out the dusty old books these days. OTOH, it's never been cheaper to decorate your home like you're a Ph.D! :)

[@accountdua9375]

@@StephenAinsworth1 I felt the same, I think this when this type of AI matured enough Stack Overflow will be my second choices.

[@Vikings-uk3ht]

Any job where you manipulate bits is being threatened by these AI systems because they have immensely large free datasets available to feed into the AI. See it with design, animation, coding, image generation, etc. It is kind of messed up to use all the of the content that people have freely put out into the world to create a system that may end up replacing them, and keeping all the profits of said system for yourself.

[@joaquin67]

I think laws will have to be implemented, tbh. It's stealing en mass. Something a normal human or a group of humans would not be allowed to do. It's messed up when a platform is first built to do one thing, then bring in loads of users, to suddenly change their policies and steal all the user's data. The tools itself are great, but the data-stealing isn't

[@vectoralphaSec]

That is 100% inevitable and nothing we can do about it. One day AI will automate everything. In 10, 15 or 20+ years in the future most jobs and careers will be dead and taken over by AI. Honestly society as a whole of humanity may have to move beyond the ways of working for money.

[@Gnarkson]

@@vectoralphaSec Brainless.

[@Vikings-uk3ht]

@@vectoralphaSec If that happens there will be a very distinctive 2 class society; one that owns everything and controls what the AI systems do, and the other that only gets what the owners/rulers deem them worthy to have. One of the things that has kept the ruling class in check is the fact that they need everyday people to be able to actually do the work needed to produce their products and services. What happens when that is no longer the case, and the vast majority of humans are basically just taking up resources and not providing any value? I think we may see the ruling class come to the conclusion that it would be a lot better if there were simply less mouths to feed...

[@vectoralphaSec]

@@Gnarkson you?

[@djcardwellai]

ChatGPT is the holy grail of just in time learning. Anyone can write code now if they ask the right questions.

[@brownnutter]

It only proves that you need to learn at least the fundamentals of the code or any topic area so that you can be in a position to ask the right questions.

[@Dgmstudios40]

Yeah, kinda like how Google works lol

[@edboss36]

@@Dgmstudios40 hahaha true

[@ko-Daegu]

the right questions literally require knowladge and years of experience thou giving a certain set of problems and how to utilise the answer is the a whole different ball game

[@ko-Daegu]

@Alex Shagabutdin yeah automation is already a thing many people lost their jobs and many jobs don't exists in many countries it's a matter of time before we see a wider adoption of automation with robotics and AI

[@msdcode5605]

I think when WordPress, Wix, and Bootstrap studio were introduced, developers thought that they will lose their jobs, but they still have jobs. I think ChatGPT will not replace developers for now, but it will help them to produce solutions very quickly, whenever they are stacked in a bug.

[@marcinkepski4977]

@@SimpMcSimpy meh...

[@AlessandroBottoni]

It is always a pleasure to listen Stefan. I heard a lot of comments regarding ChatGPT in the last couple of weeks but the only one person who was able to put this topic in the right perspective has been Stefan Mischook.

[@devzen_8520]

I was playing with this yesterday and must say, this is not something we should fear (not yet) but instead embrace the tool as an enhancement to our skills

[@thekinoreview1515]

I honestly believe that anyone saying AI isn't imminently threatening jobs across almost all industries and professions is kidding themselves. If you can code faster, so can the people developing the next gen AI that deprecates your job. It won't be all at once, but it is already happening.

[@nholanl1952]

How to say I know nothing about how AI works without saying it. If you think "coding faster" is improving AI's you are so far from understanding the topic that you should just stop commenting about it.

[@thekinoreview1515]

@@nholanl1952 I never said "coding faster is improving AI." You're being harsh with your words for someone who apparently has the reading comprehension of a sixth grader.

[@sdhomeguide6343]

Stop drinking the kool aid.

[@thekinoreview1515]

@@sdhomeguide6343 Stop burying your head in the sand.

[@sdhomeguide6343]

@@thekinoreview1515 yes I’m sure there will be mass layoffs of developers any day now 🫠

[@TFDusk]

This is one of those rare moments where a software is created that has such a high ceiling for where it could be taken. A lot of developers that think it'll replace you are not understadning that not every suggestion its giving out right now is even correct. It gives very through suggestions that look correct, and also even gives suggestions that aren't even in the documentation of some products. But what it has the potential to do is well beyond just "writing code" for people. This is a tool that can vastly help to increase the speed in which people are able to learning how to code properly. I threw in all kinds of questions at it from various different languages as well as different infrastructure questions and it was giving me full detailed steps of where I can go and start. A lot of problems we limit as developers is not being able to ask the right questions, and while this tool still needs you to do that, it makes it easier for you to get to that direction. I asked it just for fun to write me a script that connects to Alexa and outputs a song from youtube and it was able to spit me out a script that was able to do that, and even pulled a library from open source to get it to work. I've asked it questions in relation to terraform, aws, design patterns in various languages, suggestions to go about github actions, book recommendations, and it was able to at least start me from somewhere. The questions are not always correct, but it gives you the ability to be able to be productive. For newer developers, this is probably the most game changing tool that I've ever seen on the market, even more so because the examples you are likely to ask are going to be snippets that are very well understood to make. If you have a serious desire to learn how to learn to do this job, this is a tool that 10000% is going to help you get there. Finally, I can also see this as a game changing tool to get you started in templating out code that people hate to write. I also asked it to spit me out an HTML and CSS template of a simple resume template to get me started, and it was able to do it, no colors were added, but all the padding was added between texts, listing bullets were removed, the elements were centered on the page, certain sections were even bolded for me. I can see this being a tool where if you really know your shit around a language to describe what you want it will be able to get you started somewhere.

[@nikhilchouhan1802]

One of the only few sane explanations in the comment section. It's going to help developers learn fast, not altogether grab their jobs. The type of jobs are gonna change in the near future instead, and not the massive layoffs they think.

[@maxdakka7973]

You still need a developer to do the thinking. Just like we don't use punch cards anymore and have nice IDEs that can do code completion, this will free up some more cognitive resources. At best it can suggest things for you that others have tried in similar situations, like the KZbin recommender system, but it will never be able to think for you. There might be some niche situations where a person might be replaced. One thing these state of the art models can do really well though is translating natural language to code, or code to code. So if you want a simple translation of say, Java to COBOL knowing nothing of the latter, some of these models can do it automatically with a lot of precision. But once your program gets a bit more complex (say you need to change software architecture to make something run in another language) you won't be able to turn to AI (yet).

[@bohemicus8280]

I am a translator / developer ... and we translators had exactly the same fears when DeepL came out. And what actually happened? I am making the same money .... but I got 2x more free time :) It's a great tool, but humans are still needed to supervise its results - sometimes, it can produce nonsense.

[@palmtrees9474]

Thank you for sharing your experience.

[@bohemicus8280]

@@crypto9872 I am developing my own sw product (Bohemicus), and I cann't really imagine telling ChatGPT: Hey, ChatGPT, write me a program that will enable machine translation in all text editing software out there, and that will also take my speech and convert it to text... and also it should keep track of all my jobs and invoices .... Can ChatGPT do that? I highly doubt so. ChatGPT will remove the burden of writing individual functions, but it cannot replace the high-level development. It's the same as with translations: DeepL removes the burden of trivial translations, but once the text gets a bit more creative, DeepL loses its edge. Machines will only replace humans as soon as we have a true general AI comparable to humans. This will happen in future, but not just rigt now.

[@youtubehatesfreespeech2555]

You guys live in denial. Chatgpt4 will be like nothing we've seen yet! People project their ego onto their job. It's understandable but technology doesn't care!

[@bohemicus8280]

@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 I dont worry. Something like this has happened before repeatedly in the past... industrial revolution in the 19th century.... Worst case scenario: governements will start regulating it, because you obviously dont want to have 90 % unemployment rate in your country.

[@youtubehatesfreespeech2555]

@@bohemicus8280 the speed was very different! More time you have, better decisions you could make! This time would be much faster!

[@peterj.2114]

I've played around with ChatGPT quite a bit the past few days and my initial impression is that it's absolutely fantastic as an alternative for traditional search engine like google. Its capable of searching, making making crazy good comparisons between alternatives with examples, gives detailed explanations and remembers context which allows for zooming in/out on topics easily. So far I've had an amazing success with it as a study companion that can provide context, comparisons and examples to whatever I'm learning. It knows very niche subjects quite well too. I see crazy potential in it and am excited for the future. But it's not replacing anyone for now I don't think :)

[@ymanikantareddy7307]

Is it good time to start my career as a developer now.

[@harshwardhanshetty4683]

@@ymanikantareddy7307 No

[@SuicideApple-wm6et]

@@harshwardhanshetty4683 I am in my first year studying computer science in university. Should I drop out?

[@harshwardhanshetty4683]

​@@SuicideApple-wm6et No buddy and why are you asking one of the life's biggest decision in yt comments section just think it through ask your seniors and someone who is working

[@SuicideApple-wm6et]

@@harshwardhanshetty4683 I am seeking wisdom. Because my ego and Id are on constant war. I think that Im gonna drop out because the education model is made for slavery i think. It prevents me from finding my true self because of all the deadlines. I just want raw opinions from you I do not care if ur wrong or not just throw yes and no then an explaination why. I need data.

[@absar66]

Interesting reply from ChatGPT "herself" on the same Question... "It's unlikely that programmers will become obsolete as a result of developments in natural language processing or AI technology. While it's true that AI and natural language processing technologies like ChatGPT can automate certain tasks that were previously done by humans, it's important to remember that these technologies are still limited in what they can do. For example, ChatGPT is a powerful tool for generating text based on a given prompt, but it still requires a human to provide that prompt and to interpret the output. Additionally, AI and natural language processing technologies are still developing and are not yet capable of fully replacing human intelligence. For these reasons, it's unlikely that programmers will become obsolete in the foreseeable future."

[@mawoliv]

Basically it will help anyone with good ideas to head straight and quickly to an implementation. Basically a leap forward for starters. Experienced developper are basically going to be on steroids and highly productive. It all boils down to ideas now. Less time wasted on trying to figure out how to write X and more time on the idea itself or the overall system/architecture design.

[@user-it5po2dq9w]

Idk what good ideas are left now, at least in context of social media or commercial websites

[@umberto488]

@@user-it5po2dq9w lol raise the bar a bit

[@user-it5po2dq9w]

@@umberto488 hm? Most of software development part is around enterprise, social media apps, regular utility apps or ecommerce applications. We're seeing skyrocketing of such ideas and beyond that, they're trying to get some not so useful tech like ftx, blockchain, meta etc popular as if they're trying to find new fancy words to keep their markets hanging on. What's new idea apart from this mainly?

[@kevinflorenzdaus]

I agree that it won't replace developers ; This tool is definitely a big help for us devs if we know how to use it.

[@wskeal86]

Not in 2023. But in 2025+ it will make not only code, but the entire IT systems for sure. (In paid version of ChatGPT of coarse, lol)

[@МИРУКРАИНЕСВОБОДУРОССИИ]

I am also not sure that it will replace developers but even if you just watch it like a very powerful tool, it could potentially increase competition between developers. Because every time you increase productivity the industry could deny more and more workers, like it did in the agriculture and manufacturing.

[@Adamskyization]

A definite game changer, in a few years from now everyone will have a personal AI assistant in their smart devices, it will be stronger and more capable from gptchat, and we will have a hard time imagining life without it.

[@ko-Daegu]

problem now is hardware limitation thou let's see how we solve it in the next 5-10 years let's also see what happen with quantum computing it's not getting enough hype yet in media

[@areefhossain19]

That’s Siri bro

[@Dina_tankar_mina_ord]

I believe I have learned about the same thing. It doesn't matter what you use ChatGPT for, the results will not be better than the questions being asked. If you want help with a certain subject, you need to know how to ask specific questions in order to get a result that is as good as if it were made by a human. A person cannot rely on an outcome if he or she does not know about the specifics. At least for now.

[@petersuvara]

It’s a good assistant and definitely much better than searching google. But then for those hard find issue based on just in time releases chat gpt is just as good as it’s input. Won’t replace coders, but will give coders who use it wisely an edge.

[@casusbelli9225]

It probably will make it worse for coders overall. Not replace them, but certainly will cheapen and harden the entrance to the industry, which will cause domino effect and drop salaries across the industry.

[@petersuvara]

@@casusbelli9225 I doubt it. Because writing the actual code is 5% of the work. The rest is defined by good communication skills, good organisation skills, understanding of good processes, ability to adapt, software architecture and many other things.

[@jakelexington7610]

You are just coping

[@btm1]

as good as it's input? who says that future improved versions won't be able to read all the files in your projects? Also that is like saying a programmers is as good as the quality of his tasks requirements. Inputs can always be refined, based on results and testing.

[@vitormanfredini1205]

Everyone talking about AI in this context seems to miss that it's evolving pretty fast and accelerating. Right now it's not replacing anyone, but what kind of existential crisis are we heading into in 5 to 10 years in the future? There's nothing special about software engineering (or human inteligence) that an AI won't be able to learn. We can disagree on the timeline, but to me it's pretty clear that the whole landscape of intelectual work will change A LOT.

[@plcunhalima]

According to Moore's law computing power doubles every two years, in only 10 years AI could become hundreds of times more powerful. We could be talking to a sentient AI in less than 10 years. I am sure AI eventually will do any job a human can do. Just matter of time. With millions of human-like robots GDP could growth exponentially, we are talking about a fourth industrial revolution in the coming years.

[@enisarkan6189]

@@plcunhalima One thing you missed is the unemployment crisis. Many people are likely to lose their jobs because of it. The money in circulation can slow down and even come to a halt, as we saw during the pandemic. When companies don't have profits, there is no incentive for them to develop anything. Without money, there is no circulation, no investment, no development, and no industrial evolution.

[@vitormanfredini1205]

@@enisarkan6189 If only we had something that we could replace to avoid this... cough capitalism... cough...

[@xmangle5382]

@@vitormanfredini1205 insane to think that AI can completely change society’s structure

[@willrsan]

@@plcunhalima I asked chatGPT to refute your comment. it said "The statement that computing power doubles every two years and AI could become hundreds of times more powerful in 10 years, leading to sentient AI and a fourth industrial revolution, is oversimplified. While computing power is important, significant breakthroughs in AI algorithms and software are necessary to create genuinely intelligent systems. The idea that we could be talking to a sentient AI in less than 10 years is unlikely, as true sentience is a far more complex challenge that may require fundamental breakthroughs in our understanding of the brain and consciousness. Lastly, while AI might eventually do any job a human can do, there are many tasks that are difficult for machines to replicate, and the widespread adoption of human-like robots could have unpredictable social and economic implications. In conclusion, while the growth of computing power is exciting, predictions of future progress should be approached with skepticism as these developments are likely to be far more gradual and complex than suggested by the statement."

[@Anonymous-bx3el]

This won’t replace engineers but it will reduce the demand of engineers given that the companies will not require hundred of engineers to increase productivity but very few seniors that can type the right commands and start churn code. Now each company has to hire more to increase resources and therefore productivity but this changes everything

[@T34-m5v]

From that standpoint i do think ai developers too, could be laid off their jobs because of their technologies :D All of us knows %20 of ai developers are great engineers but what if other %80 ? The 80/20 rule works. Everyone shoots themselves from the foot, ai developers included, most of them are not god of the programming. Prepare yourselves, be versatile, be a business owner not a worker, so you can never be afraid of being fired.

[@btm1]

or save more and retire early

[@EnterpriseTNG]

They will be laid off not a first, because the generated code will need their help to train the AI bot. But once the bot has reached its maturity, the developer will be thrown away.

[@captainnerd6452]

The business people have been trying to "replace programmers" since the COBOL days. I remember when CASE tools were going to make it so easy to write software by business people that programmers would no longer be needed. I see this new thing as an adjunct not a replacement, just like your example of IDEs, just another tool in the kit that developers will use and adapt into the workflow.

[@tylerwilson3172]

I think it would be very easy to replace the business people with emerging AIs. Like project managers who track budgets all day.

[@captainnerd6452]

@@tylerwilson3172 That would be poetic justice!

[@jakeanderson9808]

Even if all "code" is written and reviewed entirely by AI there will still be programmers. The chatGPT method of AI coding takes natural human language and turns it into code. This method works well for simple tasks. But for complicated tasks such as creating a large commercial application, comunication in English (or other human languages) will be too inefficient and vague. This in my mind will lead us into a world where "programming" is the use of modified human languages made specifically for more efficient communication with AI, kind of like a framework. I think we will see some of these "frameworks" become specialized as well, one AI framework is optimized for websites, another for video games and so on, just like we have in current programming. The more I think about it, the more it seems like AI is just another additional abstraction away from 1s and 0s and will only serve to make the job of programming easier, not reduce the demand for the programmers themselves. Then again I might just be in denial haha, would love to get other peoples thoughts on this take.

[@GabrielVeda]

Definitely denial 😂 But good answer. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 5 years you can say to an AI, “build me an app that does X” and it builds it directly in assembly in less than 30 seconds. Runs faster and cleaner than human output. Then you say to your AI, OK great but add feature Y. And it does. Rinse and repeat. Programming is all about managing complexity and humans basically suck at that. To AI, it will be a walk in the park. You could even update your app on the fly at any time just by requesting a new feature or other improvement. Programs thus become dynamic, morphing all the time to suit their user. OK, maybe 7 years for the last bit. But 5 years or 7, the writing is absolutely on the wall and it spells: “AI will eat everything!”.

[@StevePlaysBanjo]

I love your positive outlook. However I’m more interested in the implications on security. Developers could get a bit lazy, skip the threat modeling, and not realize that they pulled in vulnerable code. Or the AI data lakes get populated with proprietary code. As another commenter said, this will probably create more jobs rather than eliminate them. 😅

I enjoy watching "Joseph Carlson Show". The guy is a coder but his channel is about investing. Recently he made a review about ChatGPT. I recommend watching it. ChatGPT is not only about coding, it covers a wide area of subjects. His opinion is similar to uncle Stef's but... I am amazed/surprised/scared by how far this technology advanced these days. Five years ago I would say that ChatGPT is impossible. Today I am not so sure what will happen in the next 5, 10, or 15 years...

[@kegami7997]

To be fair, now i'm only learning, and like 2-3 months before i wanna start finding a job. After i see what ChatGTP can do NOW, idk. I'm a little bit depressed.

[@alexisandrade5266]

If you feel depressed after seeing what ChatGPT can do, you'd be more depressed after seeing what other trainees/junior developers can do. You just have to keep learning and practicing maybe one year more and you'll notice that ChatGPT isn't a threat to you. ChatGPT is brilliant at boilerplate code and simple tasks like validation and documentation, but once you start asking things about large software architectures, multiple files, or more complex things, ChatGPT makes a lot of mistakes (I've been using ChatGPT for almost a week since it was released, so I know what I'm talking about). Even trainees and juniors should be able to do a lot of complex tasks that ChatGPT can't do yet. Just give yourself a year and you'll see that you will surpass ChatGPT by far.

[@kegami7997]

@@alexisandrade5266 thanks for answer. I understand now it's far from perfect. And experienced devs shouldn't afraid of this. And i understand i will be so far better after a year, but AI grow too. And if AI can make thing's like this now, how it will be alot better after the same 1-2 year?

[@rezamuhammad4974]

@@alexisandrade5266 and chatGPT will get alot smarter within a year

[@alexisandrade5266]

@@rezamuhammad4974 I don't think so, but it would be really useful for programmers.

[@rezamuhammad4974]

@@alexisandrade5266 maybe not for programmers ( pro/ senior ) but it can make anyone into a developer

[@LionMister]

Someone asked it for the last 8 digits of pi and it was very confident about it's response 😅

[@ageresequituresse]

😂

[@jason_v12345]

"The last 8 digits of pi are not a fixed value, as the decimal representation of pi goes on infinitely without repeating" --ChatGPT (Seems that YOU, the human, are the one whose bullshit I need to vet out)

[@LionMister]

@@jason_v12345 lol, next thing you know I'll have died under "mysterious" circumstances as my body is found covered in hard drives 😅

[@BangMaster96]

ChatGPT is just a fancier live version of Stack Overflow

[@nikotheyeen2752]

I am sure it will not replace developers but it will be an awesome tool for developers to use as an learning tool and it will create more developers and get them interested in the field

[@nanow1990]

My guess is if finetuned, chatGPT can debug, reverse engineer, find vulnerabilities, write tests and do TDD. The Current version of chatGPT is just a general model. Imagine the power of that thing when it will be finetuned for coding.

[@TheRonpe]

I also would like to add that it's good for translating plain english into complex database aggregations. But yes it generally speeds up repetitive stuff.

[@casusbelli9225]

>My guess is if finetuned, chatGPT can debug, reverse engineer, find vulnerabilities, write tests and do TDD Won't be able to, unless it's the same copypasted stuff like boilerplate code. And it's not the problem of "finetuning", it's algorithmically impossible to develop such machine.

[@jakelexington7610]

According to which theorem ?

[@stefano94103]

When the automobile started rolling out of factories, horse and buggy manufacturers published on the front page of the New York Times all the reasons why the automobile will not replace the reliability of the horse and buggy! It's a grave error to think your job is so important that it cannot be replaced. I think the overwhelming majority of programmers have about five to seven years left. The very best may have 10 but I wouldn't bet on it being any longer than that.

[@paarma1752]

What I'd really like to know is that how does it perform with a bigger code base? If we just let it scan all the code and assume that the code is well commented, could we simply tell it to - for example - create a new endpoint to an existing web app that fulfills an actual business requirement? Of course it should follow our conventions, best security practices and whatnot.

[@thebgEntertainment1]

probably it will, but not right now I think

[@razboihibrid1097]

Stefan at what point should be be worried that there will be many developer jobs lost due to AI automation? What should the AI program be able to do ? Connect to all the project files instead of getting information from just a text prompt?

[@williamrose7345]

I was waiting for you to make a vid about this!

[@logato7128]

Don’t use this to code. It can give you a working bug and you won’t know it unless you are good enough to see it. If you are a skilled developer you don’t need it. If you are just learning you definitely don’t want it.

[@T34-m5v]

Yeah just use vim, oh no ! write a editor yourself so that u'll know all the codes behind them

[@vripiatbuzoi9188]

I think if you’re skilled developer you do need it. It has helped me tremendously with APIs that are poorly documented or integration between APIs where there are no examples on the Internet.

[@RobertoOrtis]

I believe it's all about creativity. If AI is able to be creative, more than us humans, it will then replace us. It has to be capable of creating things that we have not created yet.

[@jakelexington7610]

This is true.

[@looooonooooooooooooooooooooong]

you should look into dall e

[@slahomar1497]

Hi sir, can you please share info about the microphone you are using ?

[@anthonyjameson6772]

Here’s my take: AI will replace those who believe it will You can’t be replaced as a human being who can think freely and imagine new things. The greatest companies on Earth came from vision and creativity. If you’re a product-driven dev and you understand the business need you’re solving for, you’ll become even more valuable. Domain knowledge will increase your value substantially. I’ve seen many people implement simple Todo apps with ChatGPT because it’s trained on so much open source data where everyone and their mother has created one. Ask it to develop some complex UIs that are fault tolerant and full of fallbacks to ensure you don’t hit error boundaries and it fails miserably. Let’s also remember that as a business, do you want ChatGPT reinforcing its dataset with your proprietary business logic to solve a problem you’re solving to make money? Likely not. If everyone is using the same API for their business, is any business really building any moat? Not at all. There’s plenty of time before we get replaced and when that happens, a lot of other stuff will also change drastically. I’m not worried. I’m informed, will continue to follow through with the advancements, and find a way to leverage this so I can increase my market value; not decrease it.

[@bizzybeeapps4339]

I see OpenAI as a great tool to use for the future. Software development is much more than just writing code. While ChatGPT may be impressive in assisting with writing functions or boiler plate code, its still pretty much a search engine in my view. You ask it a question, it returns responses with high rated values stored from a database of information. When the system understands its own logic and syntax errors and can explain what it did wrong then worry...lol.

[@marilynlucas5128]

Chat gpt can do just that and more. It can admit its mistakes 😂

[@JustGotALife]

Bruh why are people in this comment section so lost. Are you really comparing this to a search engine? For real? Seach engines don't analyze the context and respond based on that. They can't admit mistakes. If you can't give search engine a complex situation and expect a dynamic resolution. You are talking about admitting mistakes? Well yesterday i told it to write a code for men and I found out there are 2 deprecated lines of code as it didn't knew that I wanted solution for a chrome browser version higher than 28. So I told it that it's using deprecated code, it analyzed for a secone and then admitted that it's true and then restructured the code eliminating those lines and prividing a new solution. Infact,you can tell it write a code for you and then ask it to explain the logic behind that and it will telll you.

[@jakelexington7610]

It does it wrong half the time, it admits it made a mistake and then did an even worse job. Its not bulletproof by any means

[@looooonooooooooooooooooooooong]

@@jakelexington7610 its still in infancy...

[@WillyKillya]

I have a question for Stefan and the developers in the comments: I am trying to build different things on my own - a unity video game for one, a Chrome browser extension, a somewhat simple time management app, and a bit more of a complex comprehensive life management system. Right now just on my own progress can be challenging, so do you think ChatGPT might actually be a very useful too for someone like me? And if so, then instead of threatening developer jobs, might ChatGPT actually free up those same developers to realize their own visions?

[@ahmedagionpc1502]

I am not yet a developer but a student who is now in his second year in a Bachelor in IT (Specialization Software development). The thing with chatgpt is that it gives you the code but if you copy and paste it in you're code or just trying to paste in a new project it will 70% of the time NOT work. It will maybe create a time management app but you still need to understand the code because just pasting it like i said will not work most of the time with chatgpt. I tried it for my project in C# and most of the times it does not even work since my project was a little bit advanced compared to like a management app. But sometimes I adjust the code that chatgpt gives me and it does work but that's just because I understand the code it gives me . Sorry english is not my first language but I hope I helped you

[@ahmedagionpc1502]

I don't think it will replave developers. I see it as a extra help for developers. It's like the calculator for people that study math. It will not replace them but it makes them work faster, accurate and better. Also chatgpt is created by software developer,ML engineers,Data engineers etc. So you still need those jobs

[@paulmieczkowski2043]

This tool is great and I'm amazed by what it can do. Like i needed to do something very specific - write me a code in kendo UI that allows to drag and drop from grid onto a tree view. Wow i was amazed. Obv it needed some tweaking but amazing starting point without having to spend a lot of time googling around. It produced the answer in react which i needed and google returned some jQuery articles on this subject. So i think it will definitely replace basic programming and but you still need to be software engineer to design the system, build little blocks, connect them together and overall you need to know what chatGPT is actually writing so you can connect it together, improve it etc. I just feel like because of it a large number of basic coders will actually go. That's my fear now after using chatGPT almost everyday now.

[@Anime_Empire_2.0]

I don't think is gonna replace all developers entirely, however, I think is gonna make the hole deeper for those Junior devs trying to land their first job and its already pretty damn hard as it is.

[@michaelsi6770]

the other way around

[@ExplosiveGuides]

@@michaelsi6770 why do you say that?

[@michaelsi6770]

@@ExplosiveGuides new guys can write better code with this tool, it will be easier to become a developer now

[@ExplosiveGuides]

@@michaelsi6770 That makes sense. Do you think this will have any affect on salaries? Since it will make being a developer easier?

[@michaelsi6770]

@@ExplosiveGuides It's hard to predict that. New code will be way better and efficient. Digitalization of the world will be faster.

[@mathewomolo]

An Ai developer somewhere is saying "For now" after every sentence. They'll stop at nothing till everyone is redundant and their jobs drastically devalued.

[@brandonmcneeley2233]

Fusion 360 didn’t put drafters out of business it just changed how efficient we can design.

[@nikhilchouhan1802]

Exactly. Couldn't have been better said

[@tejas4206]

Will this sort of AI technology be able to design things originally in the future? Like it could create new blueprints and even 3d models and its own software. This is literally insane😊

[@schrodingerscat3912]

Developing and writing new features has been speed up. This means that there will inevitably be less seats available in the job market. Right now is safe, but in 5 years and especially 10 we're looking at a different game

[@AN-nl9pu]

It used to be you needed to write HTML code from scratch to create a website. Now anyone can install Wordpress with a click. It used to be you needed 8 years of education to understand a foreign language. Now Google autotranslates for you. It used to be you needed artists to create images. Now an AI can generate them for you. This is just the latest innovation in a long line of tech improvements. Ultimately, a programmer just tells a computer how to do something in a language the computer understands. When the computer understands English, anyone can become a programmer.

[@kebman]

I tried it some, and it helped me better understand the Gaussian curve, and how to derivate it for various plotting needs. As a teacher I quickly found out that this tool... Is gonna make cheating real easy, at least in high school, though perhaps not later. OTOH it's a great learning tool, so I'm kinda torn. Should I show it my pupils?

[@StefanMischook]

I would say yes, because history teaches us that those who embrace new tech, and ways of thinking, typically have an advantage. So as a fellow teacher, I would suggest it is our responsibility to expose students accordingly. I am sure you can come up with other methods of assessment.

[@jason_v12345]

How can you call it a "code completion" tool when it is able to explain to you, line for line, how a piece of code works? That is not code completion.

[@willrsan]

ChatGPT is a tool for use by developers, not a replacement for developers. I say this as a lead dev with 25 years experience. It makes mistakes when generating code and you need to know your subject in order to fix the mistakes. I have found it useful in creating short Powershell scripts and in commenting existing code - again with editing its output. Its understanding of complex SQL queries leaves a lot to be desired.

[@tacorevenge87]

I believe it will relate us , I have 22 years of experience . I’ve tried chatgpt and it’s scary what it can do.

[@jflores85]

I finally finished learning hoe to code and was going to start freelancing and started hearing about this. Great now I have to go back to college and the only real way to go back is through the benefits that come with the jobs that I hate that I learned how to code so I can quit and make a better salary

[@benderbg]

I might be wrong, but ChatGPT looks like a great tool for reducing the number of experienced devs working on a project and putting more work into remaining ones because they can be more productive using AI. With pandemic's remote work trend and AI junior devs are basically screwed unless someone really notices the potential and wants to mentorship one long term.

[@StefanMischook]

The opposite. How can you direct the Ai to write any code if you don't know what you are doing. It's like an electric nail gun ... you still to know where and how to drive the nails.

[@littlestewart]

Thanks for the honest take. A lot of “elitists” developers, just deny it, and say “it’s dumb, we shouldn’t use it, it’ll never help us” “we’re too smart for it”. And just deny it, instead you gave a very good take, to use it to our advantage, now that’s not too advanced to take our job (yet) 😅

[@PabloMessier]

This is the same thing that's happening in the world of Audio Engineering & Audio Mastering, Audio DAW's like Ozone from Izotope are coming with assistive AI that basically creates a starting point for the Mastering Engineer to work with, AI an assistive technologies haven been around for a long time, today it's impossible for a human to be replace by an AI neither in the world of Audio or Code, because AI lacks something that we humans have, and its intention, AI can give great and even impressive suggestions, but at the end of the day they are suggestions not rules. So either way we humans still have work and a lot of it.

[@electrictrojan6719]

It's of little value without an engineer who knows what they're doing.

[@KP-jx1wy]

I don't think think this will replace dev jobs in the immediate short term, but lets be real here.... This will only commodify the career field (it already was getting commodified) more. And once the AI develops even more, I don't see it being unrealistic that 10-20 years from now, most dev jobs just won't be needed. At least in the form we understand it today.

[@jafetmorales9941]

There's still a lot of bugs in the code it generates, so we're safe for now. But it will get better. What will get replaced are programming languages, or at least our ability to quickly fix its bugs. In other words, we will have to learn how to promp it correctly to tweak and fix things in the more complex programs it generates, which is basically programming with natural language, instead of the languages we currently use. But the need to understand project requirements and to translate that into an application by using logic to determine the correct instructions to give to the machine (even if its with natural language) will remain for some time. So we're good for now.

[@abhishekpatil5067]

One aspect I feel can be disrupted by Chat GPT is documentation. Quite a nuanced view though.

[@Sebastian1832x]

I am definitely integrating it in my work flow. Amazingly strong tool !

[@revengehbrevengehb2]

If its capable of replacing programmers , it will be capable of replacing any job. No need for doctors when you could give it symptoms and it returns the cure. There wont be need for engineers, just ask it how to build a bridge and anyone will be able to do it then. This means that if it does replace programmers and all other jobs with it. Money will become useless, so dont worry about losing your job, I am excited as this might make us re evaluate life and realise that money (man made papers) is not the point of life and we will enjoy our lives more. May be it will make us more united unlike the tech which seperated us all. When that happens , groups might form, where people service each other with no need for money.

[@looooonooooooooooooooooooooong]

If theres no money there will be nothing but war and chaos everywhere

[@merlinfanclub9860]

everyone: chatgpt won't replace developer. Chatgpt: hold my beer

[@dehrk9024]

Thanks for the calming words.. I’m still scared though because it will grow and at some point be able to do everything better than any dev could.. and then I’ll get into plumbing :/

[@Boogieman618]

There’s a lot of good things to come from ChatGPT too. First off it wouldn’t be a threat to software engineers because they are still needed for using other tools. With ChatGPT it opens up more opportunities for entrepreneurship. It will be easier to start a business and less time consuming.

[@vincentkelechi888]

What are you thoughts on junior devs and beginners in the it industry

[@moebs1062]

There is a huge gap between an IDE and tech as chatGPT. I wish, one could just compare anything with anything and draw a valid conclusion. I think the outcome are yet to be determined, it all depends what ppl can build with it. If one can build me a virtual programmer which I can easily implement into my dev cycle and have safety processes which will make sure it won't just slide in any malicious or bad code into my codebase, then I would just need fewer devs as without chatGPT-like tech.

[@bradcondran8896]

It will be nice for learning things and for people like myself who have trouble starting with a blank page.

[@ToddMagnussonWasHere]

I think it’ll lower the need in the overall field, but it won’t kill the need for developers for a decade. I’d be a bit more afraid for designers, as some of the digital design pieces created are pretty good, and originally going to school for design it does have set rules, measurements, accessibility limitations in bigger companies (sanitized to the point of being product art vs. design work…). Also: don’t forget too, it’s human nature to create new jobs for the next level of difficulty once we’ve trivialized a once tedious task…

[@Clash1138]

It scares me that this thing can already write useable Wordpress Plugins with Admin Menu integration and everything. This shit basically has the potential to make junior devs and people that are "rockstar" developers redundant. Why train a junior dev/hire a codemonkey when the AI can do it in the fraction of the time and cost? This will kill jobs, make no mistake

[@casusbelli9225]

Not kill, but will make it worse for sure.

[@Mozeloper]

It can't replace developers I agree

[@jboxy]

Git Copilot is a good productivity tool but I still have to lookup docs and know what I'm doing

[@theloniousMac]

I think everyone who cares knows all of this... but what we also know is that if you play with chatGPT's code extensively and *recursively* it does a fairly decent job of cranking out a viable solution to the problems it can understand. What we all also know is, this is just the beginning. I can forsee all sorts of possibilities of intelligent coder assistants. Think in terms of telling the machine to do the drudgery of piecing together your architecture while you kept your mind focused on the big picture. Think in terms of self modifying code. Think of giving it your database schema and telling it the kind of queries to write for you. This is huge. This won't put developers out of work, but it will change the nature of development from the ground up. Development is already starting to split into two groups, coders and code developers. Things, they are a'changing!

[@BidMore]

In 2024 I'm just about to enter college, I want to choose a computer science major, but I'm hesitant because I'm afraid that in a few years programmers won't be needed anymore, especially as a junior

[@yukiruk5861]

I'm a web developer and let me tell you this: there are too many web developpers already, and with chatgpt, it will be tough to find a job, so better choose another major.

[@BidMore]

@@yukiruk5861 i want to major in business, but i don't know let me think first

[@looooonooooooooooooooooooooong]

@@BidMore have you thought something..? I was also looking to major cs cuz i liked it a lot but yeah

[@Mallick7]

I was avoiding overhyped chatg videos, until today

[@mayowa60]

What I think is that it will significantly reduce the number of developers needed for a project. If 100 developers were needed to make an app, with chat gpt you would only need like 20. This would still affect programming jobs since there wouldn't be as much hiring as before

[@btm1]

I feel the same. Maybe not with the current version but definetly with future improved versions.

[@MicahBratt]

I think I can see how this will eventually turn out - “back in my day we used to code by hand”

[@jaywilzon1412]

Like 70% of the time devs are looking up code examples and copy and pasting stuff... So this thing just streamlines the process.

[@red-switch]

Yeah very good point @jay. Something that devs are not mentioning is that a lot of the code that ChatGPT produces could be got from googling and then doing minimal tailoring for your specific purpose. It's a lot faster than googling or going on stackoverflow.

[@btm1]

the best stuff is probably not even out to the public yet, so that it won't cause panic.

[@hadibq]

I find it great to replace the reference guides when looking up something in a language or a tool. but certainly not replacing developers.

[@SimpMcSimpy]

This technology will force "coders" to became certified engineers and experts in its field. This will chase away many low level "coding" jobs.

[@vectoralphaSec]

No. But its more advanced and updated versions 100% most definitely will by 2030.

[@e26740582]

After Midjourney and DELL.E AI programmer: Artist is done. AI will replace all the art works. artist: AI is just a tool, it helps the workflow, but not repalces it.... programmer: Nah, it just takes time, only programming and coding will be needed in the future. After ChatGPT AI artist: Programmer is done. AI will replace all the programming work. programmer: WELL...AI is just a tool, it helps the workflow, but not repalces it....

[@casusbelli9225]

AI won't replace art because it's a better artist. It will replace art because it will perform on a "good enough" level for the masses. AI most likely will replace the junior and intern developers, because you, probably, can feed the basics like CRUD operations or similar "ready" recipes into the AI, but it won't be able to test, debug, or even determine that the code works good on it's own, because, strictly speaking, that task can't be defined algorithmically.

[@ayushmaansingh637]

It will not take jobs but it will certainly take a break on the massive payments to IT senior roles

[@virtualstudent588]

Yeah just like calculator replace the math teacher😂😂

[@joinpsye7045]

I'm really way so behind in the program development tools such as ides and beans. Can you expand on it a bit or maybe make a series in youtube to be more detailed. Thanks anyways for the video, and I agree with you 100% with what ChatGPT has brought.

[@vodrosszabolcs9869]

I think ChatGPT will be like CAD for mechanical engineers. It will make the job of engineers massively more productive, thus leading to high level sw architects and engineers being sought after and low level coder jobs disappearing.

[@TheQuedog11]

Denial is a river in Egypt lol. One thing is that this is new territory. These people are extremely committed to improving this technology not to mention future competitors joining in on the fun. Im not sure how many tech jobs it will replace but i can bet u one thing, a lot of these huge salaries will definitely get cut down tremendously

[@JustAThought01]

Very good information based upon many years of experience.

[@VegetaSAG]

In 2023 Web development or game development

[@T34-m5v]

It depends on where you're in, I mean in US it's a very low paying job, and people tents to switch to regular tech jobs, me included. Currently I'm a game developer but having my self teach back end programming to get a more stable job + pay. If u don't have too much passion I mean a looot of passion to make games, don't even think that, trust me I have been there.

[@thisbridgehascables]

I’d agree it’s just a tool. As a lead developer.. got promoted, I tested copilot and this AI, they’re are good but not great. Also you need experience to know what to ask of it to construct. Asking it simple questions will return sometimes code that’s meant for a particular framework and if you’ve never used that framework it won’t be useful or make much sense.

[@USBEN.]

I love this progress, anything that can accelerate the results is good.

[@limitless1692]

USBEN "good" is meaningless. The question that you have to ask for the Morality of good and bad to make sense is: GOOD FOR WHO?

[@btm1]

Most careeers won't end in one or two years. AI will evolve year by year and you should be really sure if you want to make a big investment on time and effort to learn skills that many might get automated in 10 - 20 years.

[@Quidoute]

am not taking the risk and am going with mechanical engineering :-P Edit: am still going to be a software engineer but with an ME degree

[@jakelexington7610]

Good choise

[@limitless1692]

The Gigachad Smart move!!

[@davidjulitz7446]

Finally, the user of these tools has to understand the output and modify and fix it accordingly if needed. I don't see this can be effectively used by nonengineers.

[@XicontrolX]

What if these developments in AI simply force us to innovate more and create more sophisticated and impressive software that wouldn’t have been conceivable before. For instance, when computers were first invented, making ping pong game or a basic calculator was pretty impressive and probably required a lot of effort from many people. Nowadays, sure you can code a calculator from scratch with the latest technology and manipulate the bits just like they did before, but you can also import a whole javascript library that would do it for you, even with a nice UI if you want. What I’m saying is, as technology develops and makes our current work feel obsolete, it opens up doors to develop more complicated things that require even more people. The best example I can think of right now is Microsoft flight simulator, they used AI with Bing maps to allow you to fly across a realistic representation of the entire earth. I understand that this is a niche but my point is, this would never be possible without AI to begin with. If a company replaces their developers with AI, it means that this company’s product is so trivial that an AI can do it. These type of companies will not stand for long. I am 99% sure that these AI developments will drive innovation and create way more jobs than we think.

[@Meleeman011]

5 years I'm out of the job and I become a farmer

[@exelmans8855]

Farming will soon be forbidden. Climate change.

[@T34-m5v]

Me too :D i just started to looking some plantations

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

The title of the video is asking the wrong question. The question should be when will something better than ChatGPT replace developers?

[@pranansubba9587]

It won't replace developer right or for few years but will surely will filter out many developers. As a developer when we are stuck in any issues we generally google and copy paste from Stackoverflow. Now this AI will divert the traffic from these kind of website to itself. In future after many years it might write all the logic after sniffing the requirements but now this will be the quick search for any issues.

[@KingAtem1000]

I have seen people across different industries and careers use it. Whether we like it or not, this tool will eventually replace software engineers. I don't think it will replace all but the demand for software engineers will decline and more than likely so will the cost companies are willing to pay. The tool is on the outside and in a research phase but when OpenAI is able to commercialize and allow someway for companies to deploy their own ChatGPT service in their enterprise environment, things will change. Imagine this tool being deployed at your company and rather than just generating generic code, it generates codes more intelligently considering t your company codebase, coding style, internal tools/services, etc… Companies will realize that we can hire less developers and pay them a little less since the computer is doing more work. Things will continue to advance. I highly suggest that people develop additional skills that they can make them money, whether thats trading, cooking, content creation, etc… something…maybe even pick up a trade…looks like software engineers and white collar workers alike will be heavily displaced before blue collar workers.

[@casusbelli9225]

>this tool will eventually replace software engineers. Interns and juniors, probably.