Will The Dragons Replace The Archons? & What Was Dain's Betrayal? || Genshin Theory

[@foxxsenpai]

Raiden's "Feelings About Ascension: Conclusion" actually spoiled the raiden weekly boss, so there's a precedent

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Great point! I completely forgot about that voiceline

[@maelkefi3277]

How is that spoiling ?

[@kaz7815]

So I'm not sure if anyone has made the connection yet but allogene translated to Greek means of a different gene a.k.a. of a different species or genus, and from the Enkonomiya event we learnt that Vishaps can evolve into humanoids, combining those two we could make the assumption that allogenes a.k.a. vision holders are not real humans and from Neuvilete we learn that dragons can reincarnate into the human form. What if allogenes are in fact of the draconic origin and thus can use the elements(not implying that they are reincarnated dragons but merely of the vishap bloodline) and Celestia knowing how powerful and thus dangerous they could become devised the plan to bestow visions upon them in order not to help them harness the elements but instead to limit their true potential of their dragonic bloodline.

[@cimtheaverage]

Explain furinas vision then

[@kaz7815]

@@cimtheaverage you're right, I forgot about that, but it's not just Furina, every Fontainian, they all are transformed oceanids, that would make them humans that come from another species through evolution, so of a different genus thus the vision holders from Fontaine are the same with the dragonic descendants from other nations with the main difference being a different basis, so my theory above stands for the Fontainias that could pose a threat to Celestia the same.

[@Roihclem871]

Im a simple man, i see dainslief i click when nebulung ring weapon banner

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Based! One of the few weapon banners I would roll on tbh

[@paris5831]

Same 😅😅

[@slackmartin7610]

Neuvillette's true power has nothing to do with the Hydro Gnosis. This is confirmed in 4.2. He still has his full dragon powers unlocked even after giving the Gnosis to The Knave.

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Yes, 4.2 cleared a lot of things! But I wouldn't say his power has nothing to do with gnosis. As of right now I'm 95% sure the authorities are contained within the gnoses, and that's due to Neuvillette's vision character story. We now know that the creation of the gnoses also resulted in the creation of seven celestial overseers, responsible for handing out visions. As of this patch, Neuvillette has his authority back and he is now the one to grant hydro visions. From here follows that all visions stem from the dragons' power. And since the gnoses and overseers seems to be connected, the authorities should be contained within the gnoses. So Neuv's authority was powering the gnosis, which is extremely compatible with it. He removed it and handed the the gnosis, as an empty vessel, to the Knave. I hope I explained it clearly, it is a lot! This is my current personal interpretation of the new lore we have been given, in any case. But I'm working on a video that dissect it all and tries to make sense of the big picture. Thanks for watching!

[@slackmartin7610]

@@BluesLoreCrumbs It's an interesting theory! Though it's been confirmed that the visions comes directly from Celestia without any proxy, the Archons do not hand out the visions. And the Gnoses were created from the remains of the Third Descender, thus are an outside power and the dragons are native to Teyvat so the Gnoses have no connection the the power of the dragons and their authorities really. I'm not trying to be rude if it comes out that way I just like a healthy discussion between two lore nerds :D

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

@@slackmartin7610 Oh no, not rude at all! Different points of view are always welcome and I'm always happy to discuss lore! That said, I think my comment was a little confusing, I see how it seems to imply the archons are involved, but that wasn't what I meant. When Focalors executed her plan, she didn't just take her own life, she destroyed the Hydro Archon, the very concept of it. Meaning there will never be a new one and the cycle of 7 has been broken. As of right now, the only way it makes sense to me is if there are either gods or physical manifestation of power up in Celestia that mirror the archons (7 overseers ≠ 7 archons) - the sevens seats the archon war happened over. These overseers being mentioned for the first time in the aforementioned story. It is these overseers that distribute the visions, so the archons have no actual input on it. They are issued directly by Celestia, just like you said. Meanwhile, since all visions are the same and only differ in element, Neuvillette granting hydro ones from his authority (described as pieces of himself) implies that all others are also made from dragon authorities. Since these overseers seem to have been created alongside the gnoses, and if they use a dragon's authority to give out visions, then those authorities should be contained inside the gnoses. My current working theory is that gnoses have zero power on their own, and that's an assumption based on the traveler's own power. I'm sorry, I feel like I'm still writing this down in a super convoluted way. There is also a lot on the traveler, too much to type on mobile x) I'll have the video out in a few days and it analyses the vision story phrase by phrase, takes a look a Focalors' plan and the traveler and uses it to piece everything together. I think I made that one much clearer haha. In any case, if you want, once I get home I can use my pc to reply back with a smaller analysis where I provide the quotes I'm basing myself off, so it doesn't feel like I'm just making random connections.

[@slackmartin7610]

@@BluesLoreCrumbs While we're talking about the gnoses, I have a theory, and maybe you can make a video based on it if you find it intriguing. I think that the third descender may be the sibling. And the one we see in-game is a copy, which isn't a stretch because she/he is connected to khaenri'ah which had the power to create life (Albedo). In the beginning of the game we saw that the siblings had a golden power, which I believe is all the elements together, we see this in the cutscene where all the Adepti pour all elements into the traveller and that power becomes golden. When The Heavenly Principles "captured" the sibling in the beginning of the game she looked very interested at the golden cube, remember that it's confirmed now that the gnoses are from the third descenders body? And if the sibling copy I talked about is true it would make sense that Nahida found information about her/him in irminsul, becauise that copy of the sibling was created ON Teyvat. The Traveller IS the fourth descender, which should make the sibling the third in my eyes cus they never say that the siblings TOGETHER are the fourth descender(s). It's a small theory I've cooked up but I personally find it very interesting!

[@Shreyash112]

@@BluesLoreCrumbsyes exactly as i thought it would be, traveler will prlly have choice to take side with sibling(abbyss) maybe paimon (celestia) (though only if paimon is related to celestia anyhow) or dragon sovereign (and fight back to celestia as heavenly principles is common enemy of traveler siblings)

[@TheGwilwileth]

Im all for the dragons making a comeback 😊

[@wingofunny]

Apep be live "Nah im good, tried and done with that."

[@brynphillips9957]

It might be worth noting that not all dragons are neccesarily ok with humanity existing. After all, they were introduced by the Primordial one and therefore effectively invaders as far as some of the dragons are concerned. Just because Neuvillette is friendly and pro human doesn't mean they all will be.

[@Shreyash112]

@@brynphillips9957all we saw till now tend to not harm humans at all, maybe dvalin will become the anemo sovereign as venti gave him authority and he is good dragon, azhdeha is prlly geo dragon sovereign and he fought alongside zhongli for sake of humanity, apep was just irritated by forbidden knowledge thus behaved not so good but indeed didn’t intended to harm humans, neuvilette is ofc best example for this,and also i guess electro pyro and cryo sovreigns would be the same, they only consider heavenly principles and usurpers guilty..

[@Facto_Sapien10]

​@@brynphillips9957yeah, humans are like the children of the very enemy that wiped their entire race

[@fallenaeon7084]

Fire and Blood 🥲

[@georgebeard2337]

Genshin Impact's end game is the seven sovereign lending their power to Klee in order to manifest the biggest Jumpy Dumpty in all of Teyvat and use that to kaboom the entire firmament. Thus, revealing the true sky

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Epic! The only ending I will accept from now on!

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Timestamps and cards will be added tomorrow! I had meant to upload this one a couple weeks ago, but life got in the way, so I'm posting it now knowing that 4.2 is about to drop and might prove or disprove at least part of this. Theory speedrun? Theory speedrun! Edit: The timestamps and cards have been added! TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Intro 3:21 - Neuvillette's Teapot Voiceline Analysis 9:16 - Gnosis & memories 10:25 - Nibelung 11:35 - Khaenri'ah's connection to Nibelung 15:32 - Ring of Nibelungen Opera 17:47 - Nibelung's Ring (Authority) 19:45 - Dainsleif & The Ring 21:40 - Conclusions

[@blackister4768]

This would make sense because of every archons losing their Gnosis (Celectia losing their grip on every regions), every archons wanting to just live their lives without having to care much about their region or following Celestia orders. Since WE the traveler are on Teyvat, we are moving the world around whenever we do something, the world is changing because of us and that's a huge way for the Soverigns to step forward and take control of their planet. Teyvat is theirs to begin with, and with the help of the traveler they will take it back. That might be the Cryo archon plan from the beginning, getting every Gnosis to give each Soverign power back to their owners so they can attack Celestia together to end their tyranny freeing the world. Neuv is a good dragon, he lived long enough with humans to know how they think, act and do things. Apep is dangerous but she will for sure help Neuv to attack the heavens if she can heal and be sure to win this time. We might no need every Soverigns to attack Celestia, our power alone is already extremly dangerous and it might be enough with the help of Neuv/Apep/Cryo Archon/Dain/Abyss sibling. Maybe everything i said will be washed away with the future lore of the game but there's a huge chance.

[@spyrothetimelord]

We also have Xbalanque's introduction of Neuvillette. The intros inherently are about the characters, so them saying "when THEY return, THEIR true ordeal shall begin" has to highlight that other dragons will also regain some level of their power back. Neuvillette has to be included in that "they" because the intro is about him. Also bonus primal fire like the primordial sea, so probably the pyro dragon? Random but you reminded me about a theory video I watched about Zhongli. The conversation with him at the end of Liyue's archon quest includes a joke about how mora won't be made anymore, and it was seemingly an oversight and all that, played off because he never really had to think about mora since... he could just make it any times it was necessary, so of course now it doesn't come to mind for him. He comments about how it's a shame that he didn't have some saved for himself before handing over his gnosis, which is needed in order to create mora in the first place, stating that the golden house will have to stop operations for a "lengthy period of time" (what's lengthy to a bring that's been around for 6000+ years?). Paimon literally says the world is coming to an end. Not just because of the surface level issue of deflation (no mora means more people hold onto it, less buying and trading, people lose jobs because no one is spending, and the economy gets even worse trying to encourage spending by lowering prices even more). One of the flavor texts for the loading screen tells us that mora is literally a catalyst that is a medium for transformation and that's why many things need mora in order to be accomplished. To us as players, it's just using resources to do things, but they literally gave a lore reason for leveling up things using mora and all that. Lack of new mora means that in the grander scheme of the game, fewer technological advancements can be made because mora is a dwindling commodity that (technically) can't just be used willynilly on projects. I'm wondering if Zhongli partially DID plan for this to happen because it's a subtle way to shake an inherent foundation of the seven nations. It would be really funny if that managed to circle back into relevance as we get closer to "the end"

[@reddinareddika3624]

I think they don't ascend to celestia at max ascension. The ascend to celestia at lv 100, which is why we don't have it unlocked just yet. Why else would they stop at lvl 90, it doesn't make sense.

[@genshin_lore_enjoyer]

12:27 PLEASE AHAHA ITS PERFECT Really interesting theory!

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Glad you enjoyed my last resort solution hahah. Tysm!

[@lathamtk]

14:15 Oi! Why do you have to attack me like that? It's bad enough that Furina's BiS 4star is Festering Desire (which I have) that came out in 1.2, but why did YOU have to do that random drive-by on me, calling me a fossil?!

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

To quote a certain drunken bard: Ehe~ But don't feel bad my pre-historic friend, I may not have been here for as long as you have, but I too am a fossil who remembers Tsumi. Besides, you got a super cool and useful weapon out of it!

[@cooolguy100]

You were spot on about him regaining his authority

[@SkyInterstellar111]

I have never actuallt thought of this wow. W theory :D

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Thank you so much! ^^ I´m glad you enjoyed!

[@alexanderericson8628]

he doesn't say that he will attack Celestia he says his purpose is to judge the gods. What it appears to be is some kind of war tribunal similar to the one that was formed in 1899. It is possible that the actions committed is the cause for why Theyvat is not functioning as normal. We know actions have consequences inside this game, its not just forgotten memories, it converts to energy and affects everything from the Abyss to Irminsul. It is hard to say were the story is going from that point but Neuvilette obviously has knowledge about who should be in that tribunal since he says "Forgive me for overruling this sentence" This means Neuvilette has knowledge about the old gods he may very well be a "witness" which is a title Zhongli gives to them that witnessed the archon war without forgetting what actually happened. More over the information in the game is extremely unreliable since Irminsul posses the ability to change history ( Rukkhadevata). Witness coincidentally also is a title you use for people defending in a trial, and what is Fontaine all about? I have long suspected that the Abyss is the true heaven and that the sinners in the game only sees the Abyss as monstrous because divinity is something foreign to them. The game is still trying to hide this truth the biggest reveal was the Melusines born from Primordial water see a cute dog and not a rift hound they also see the traveler as "a monster that will devour this world" which paints another picture entirely. What if the abyssal corruption we are cleansing is the only pure thing left in Theyvat. This fits with taies of other corrupted beings like Durin who experience confusion and thinks Dvalin just wanted to play with him. The traveller will experience the same confusion thinking they purified Theyvat but all they did was destroy it. If a vision is taken away from a human, most humans feel like their soul has been taken away. This means that the visions may not just contain memories they may in fact be created to harness memories to power Irminsul. Now if that theory holds true, Theyvat is under a tyranny and is possibly the real reason why Tsaritsa decided to go to war, she loved the humans the most as the Goddess of Love. The other archons are neutral somewhat but they also seem to take a liking to humans suggesting the archons might ally themselves with Tsaritsa. However seen from Celestias point of view humans are responsible for the destruction of heaven and the abyssal corruption. The soultion with Irminsul was only created to keep humans away from obtaining forbidden knowledge which you could easily argue is a defense strategy to keep Theyvat intact. It does however not change the fact that taking away humanities freewill is equivalent with slavery. All hail Tsaritsa the mother of dragons.

[@marks.9448]

probably folcalors had to take over beeing archon without wanting to, but after the energy of the oratrice was used to repel the primordial water she will give the gnosis back to neuvillete, and lifes on as "only" furina

[@blackister4768]

Its what happened with Ei, she took over without really wanting to. Archons are forced to be Archons because of Celestia, they are bound to obey because of the Gnosis and their own power.

[@marks.9448]

i seems i was pretty near to what actually happend

[@FarookKMOON]

Ok now I'm waiting for your next video after the last Archons Quest and the reveal of the reality of what are the Gnosis ...

[@ShynLamo]

I still think we don't have people join our party just that everyone we pull for are people who bless us with a portion of their powers to assist us since we do act as a conduit of elemental energy along with certain unknown energies like the corruption of dvalins tears. So theoretically we do transform our capabilities into those of others and from our perspective we change into them but other people simply see us using multiple weapons and abilities.

[@triduong3894]

Warning, big spoiler for 4.2 story but I am really confused, hope that someone could explain it to me: At the end of the 4.2 story quest, Focalor returned the authority to Neuvilette by killing herself and destroying the "seat" and it was revealed by Skirk that the Gnosis is the remains of the third outsider. Was the gnosis not the original authority of the sovereign? Because Neuvilette regained his authority without destroying/possessing/absorbing the Gnosis (We can figure this out at the end because Neuvilette gave the Gnosis to Alercchino). So in my opininon there is two condition to be an archon, to be authorized to sit on one of the seven "seats" and possessing an Gnosis, so is the Starita trying to revive the third Outsider by collecting all of the Gnosis? And is the third Outsider stronger than all of the sovereign combined? Since destroying the seat didn't notice the heavenly principle but only by destroying the Gnosis will.

[@lynchieOwO]

I guess Celestia aren't doing anything cause Nahida said that the "Heavenly Principles are asleep". Maybe Tsaritsa knew that and started collecting all of the gnoses before the Heavenly principles wake up.

[@Shreyash112]

I guess u are correct to a certain extent, i guess seat here is not physical quantity but its archon having the authority,before hydro archon died,she gave the power back to neuvilette by herself and i guess if she hadn’t given it back that way,then the authority would go back to gnosis,so at last gnosis is just empty vessel when neuvilette gave it

[@Facto_Sapien10]

Here's my theory Gnosis are powered by remains of the third descender Meaning the archons use the third descenders powers not the sovereign While, the gnosis is power by the remains itself, the authorities of the dragon sealed INSIDE the gnosis This could explain that neuvillette extracted the power from gnosis without weakening the gnosis

[@surasauce8027]

@@lynchieOwO The way I understood it was that the "seat of power" or "authority" was taken from the dragon sovereigns and "housed" within the remains of the 3rd descender. Making the gnosis a "caging" like item to hold the power and title within. Just my speculation of how I interpreted it. :) That being said, with the "Seat of the Hydro Archon" now destroyed, more of a metaphorical seat, the hydro gnosis is just an empty bauble, or if not empty, weaker since the Seat of the Hydro Archon posed by Celestia is permanently gone and the original authority returned to the Dragon Sovereign of Hydro, thus making the gnosis lose its value aka why Neuvilette does not 'need' a gnosis. With Celestia's Hydro Throne removed, Neuvilette is basically something alike to the raw power the gnosis' hold within but with no restrictions/caging. Sorry. I think that came out in circles. lol.

[@hasuki5516]

i feel like he gets the hydro authority not the gnosis, doesn't make sense for him to hold it knowing that he is a threat to celestia

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

The authority is the gnosis, though. I don't know if it was chess piece shaped originally or if anything was added to it by Celestia, so he might not reclaim it in its entirity. I guess we have to wait and see!

[@tehCostHD]

@@BluesLoreCrumbsno the hydro authority is NOT the gnosis

[@krazyvideos2677]

​@@BluesLoreCrumbsi think hydro authority is in archons themselves when they die authority gets released or it have something to do do with thrones

[@davidjohnson8273]

Enjou is lying and Kokomi is correct about Vishap people. And we know that's true because Tsumi has a piece of the medallion thing that is in three pieces. One piece was given to each of the three ... uh... classes of Orobashi's society. The familiars, the priesthood (the normal people at first then the priests - Kokomi has it) and the judges (who are all dead and the piece was lost) - something like that. If they all agree together then they can shut down the Lighthouse. If Tsumi was a mere Vishap she would not have this medallion. Well to be precise Kokomi says they lost the medallion piece when they lost the last familiar of Orobashi a few centuries back when that person (as a kid) was in Enkanomiya for some reason and I think her group was attacked by Vishaps and Tsumi was kidnaped (familiar-naped?) and raised by the Vishaps. This piece of medallion wouldn't have helped the Vishaps as it would (i think) need an actual familiar to use it. ie the Vishaps didn't kill the familiar and take the medallion piece. That's suggested by the fact that the third piece of medallion is just hanging around the Lighthouse like junk to be picked up by anyone, and yet the Vishaps have never picked it up. Also Enjou doesn't directly lie if he can help it and he never says outright that vishap people exist. He implies it.

[@ashleyandanime4815]

I believe Dains betrayals was… well… telling the gods what happened. I believe the gods didn’t know what kheanriah was doing, that they didn’t even believe kheanriah existed at all. I mean, how could anybody exist underneath the land? How could anyone exist so close to the abyss. Heck, how could anyone even touch forbidden knowledge without there being problems for so long? And why did they not arrive sooner and allow it to go on long enough for it to reach the point that it did? Simple. They just didn’t know. It was only when dain ran to the surface, allowing the abyssal monster to enter the overland, and once he told rhukkadevata or egeria what was happening did the archons take him even somewhat seriously, Celestia got wind of what he was talking about through their careful watch over the world and contacted all the archons telling the, to head to kheanriah because they were going to destroy everything. If this is true then in lumines eyes had he not told the gods what happened they never would’ve been cursed, and she very well believes they either could’ve tamed the beasts or held off against the catastrophe with their strength alone/

[@S_Scaling]

Not all of the dragons died 🤷🏽 everything is canon …Whatttttt😂

[@Shepard-l3z]

One of Dainsleifs biggest lore drop for his ring is in a world quest which sucks.

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

In true genshin fashion. Going into those quests I didn't even expect some Dain crumbs. We really have to look EVERYWHERE to get the big picture. Hopefully we will get to see more of him soon and get more info on the ring.

[@Shepard-l3z]

@@BluesLoreCrumbs Also im interested in who the one eyed sage is

[@ashishitD]

In the last QnA session with nuvi he's has confirmed that natlan has humanoid dragons there..........ie maybe vishap ppl

[@TheBritishCigarette]

A dream? Or a simulation? A simulation that repeats itself over and over until something specific changes.

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

A dream that works a lot like a simulation, the PO'S dream. But one that functions like a samsara, as it is confirmed that the nature of teyvat is cyclical.

[@TheBritishCigarette]

@BluesLoreCrumbs the only reason i think its a simulation and not a dream is because of nahida. Her attacks reminiscent of computer actions and her being so closely tied to irminsul (basically the world tree) that has roots throughout teyvat.

[@xVirginiasWolf]

@@TheBritishCigarettealso notice the shape of Irminsul’s branches. They go up and are very angular, much like patterns on a printed circuit board

[@elizabethsolorio9837]

Back from 4.2 archon quest, the voice line was correct

[@bangtanssera]

snakes can be taken in lore as dragons because in some legends (earth) some people called snakes and dragons as same things

[@mitab1]

Remember, the last time someone tried to break the eggshell the cataclysm happened, and I wasn't a good time for anyone, so for the good of teyvat neuvillette should never break the eggshell, otherwise teyvat and everyone in it is fucked

[@nothmm8582]

11:09 I actually disagree. Apep calls Nibelung the "Dragon King" but that just another way to say "Dragon Sovereign" because Sovereign and King means the exact same thing. In the Chasm World Quest, Zhiqiong has this to say about Azhdaha ," Adakka was a king who ruled over this land in ancient times.....A Dragon King of the Mountains" so i doubt that Nibelung was a higher being than the other sovereign. I believe that Nibelung might have been the strongest one among the Sovereigns which is why they made them their leader but that doesnt mean he was their ruler.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Neuvillette has lines about him being the king of the Sovereigns though, something about him being the domain of the Sovereigns and we know that the Sovereigns of each element are Sovereigns of their domain.

[@nothmm8582]

​​@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks Like I said, he might be the Leader of the Sovereigns. If I have to give an example take the 7 Arbiter Generals from HSR. The Marshall is the leader of the other 6 Arbiter Generals but she is an Arbiter General herself.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@nothmm8582 Idk, I am pretty sure Neuvillette literally refers to him as "the almighty father." I don't know why he'd speak about someone that's just the same as him in such a fashion but maybe, you never know.

[@Facto_Sapien10]

Even the strongest archons don't stand out from each other So I don't think there's a reason to call nibelung one of the sovereign Dendro sovereign = king of a specific Dragon King = king and ruler among all the dragons Also, teyvat originally had khaenriah, meaning 8 nations

[@vitor900000]

0:40 Well... That already started on the wrong foot... No he doesn't and the Gnosis isn't what was holding his powers, and it was never said so. I don't know why people took the Gnosis as the thing that hold the authority as fact if he never said it. I really don't understand why so many people got baited by what he said at the end of 4.1. It was so clear that it was bait writing.

[@Fran_5]

I used to follow the whole loght theory but a few days ago it dawned on me... There is 8 elements in the game! And the 8th Element is what happends when all the rest combined. While Physical doesn't have a proper elemental name, symbol or any dedicated wielders, it is in fact the combination of all elements. It is represented by white and from light comes the rainbow but being honest, using colors alone is flimsy. There is very few Elemental Abilities that actually deal physical damage and all of them create a burst of white light. Most notably Eula's burst. This light is also very distinct from the Arkhe alingments too.

[@paulobahamondes495]

I am from the future, it happened.

[@MiuMiu0735]

I think the tsaritsa is collecting gnosis to revive third descender SPOILER 4.2 QUESTS skirk tells neuvillette who tells us that the gnosis r the remains of the third descender but what gives it power are the 7 dragons. Assuming the third descender is dead i think tsaritsa wants to revive the descender from its gnosis remains but give it the power of the seven dragons which r encased inside the gnoses

[@Shreyash112]

Yes exactly what i think,i guess celestia is common enemy now to fatui(ie tsaritsa) , dragon sovreigns and also abbys so it would be interesting to see weather with whom would traveller would align with at the end of

[@Dante1282]

I think the sibling didnt want to help kheanria in the way they wanted and thus worked out a Plan with dainsleif

[@Azzywrld224]

📢📢It’s time for furina to take her final bow

[@quad9238]

0:22 boi you look human. XD

[@davidjohnson8273]

5:43 can't quite hear your list of what was created here. But the book does NOT say the Primordial One created oceans and land. It says PO created mountain and rivers.

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Ah, sorry about that! I didn't mention inanimate things at all, only plants and beasts of the land, sea and air.

[@yeetusdeletus1812]

paimon is the primordial one

[@paris5831]

Agreed 100%

[@gwendolynsnyder463]

wait, Dain said anything about Neuv?!

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Haha. No because Humanity will be made extinct as an Invasive species in there eyes.

[@lugostochicipablojose6919]

natlan says hi

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Apep wrote this.

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Oooh don't even get me started on Natlan...@@lugostochicipablojose6919

[@davidjohnson8273]

I've never liked the various eight (or more) element theories, but especially since René started saying that those 7 are the minor energies with no will, and Abyssal / Celestial energy has a will and therefore are 'better' somehow, more powerful and can absorb the lesser energies - as we see Traveler absorb them, and apparently the Primordial One does something similar. At any rate my view is that dragons already fought twice. When the PO arrives he fights the Seven Sovereigns separately. Each nation fights alone instead of teaming up. I don't think the seven nations had much organization or helped each other. Later on they have another go at it and decide they need a war leader and appoint an overall king. This king is the one who has the idea to try to use Forbidden Knowledge. Well that doesn't go all that well as it turns out. Afterwards the dragons are split (their king was dead for a while? and now is absent?) and some do this and some do that, some boil with anger, some ally with humans, others are just gone. This is partly based on the idea that the dragons are treated by the game narrative as if they were an indigenous population facing a colonial attack. In those circumstances initially the indigenous population is not all under one command. This interpretation means the Before Sun and Moon book is accurate in saying the PO fights "seven" dragon sovereigns. It does not say the PO fights one dragon king. Nor does it say it fought eight dragon Sovereigns. Also the Dragon King could be one of the Seven that happened to be more aggressive (like Pyro) and at the time of the second war they may have been missing a dragon sovereign or two (eg the dragon of Hydro/water).

[@syarifairlangga4608]

if Neuvellete absorb the gnosis,Fatui might steal by force. I think Damslete will the one who take it since she is an ANgel/Selie.

[@bunnybear8513]

​@@you-yn5hpgo play 4.2 archon quest you will know your spoiler is wrong . 😂

[@migle202]

@@you-yn5hp even without playing 4.2 aq, what kinda nonsense are u talking about, are we playing the same game?

[@oceanangel2896]

The eggshell line is a reference to Demian, I think. It’s basically an old German book. Any Utena fan knows what I’m talking about… “The bird fights its way out of the egg. The egg is the world. Who would be born must first destroy a world. The bird flies to God. That God’s name is Abraxas” Tldr it’s all about growing up and stuff but I’m pretty sure his line about the egg might be an intentional reference

[@oceanangel2896]

It’s basically the idea that you must destroy your internal world and your old self in order to break free into the real world (reach adulthood) and that until you do that you are imprisoned.

[@windeen]

Have you had a chance to try Scrapped Princess yet? I'm asking because . . . . . It's sounding like Teyvat is more and more like a situation similar to the one that the world is in in Scrapped Princess. If you can't watch it for some reason (this is directed to anyone who reads this, who might not be able to watch that anime becauae they couldn't get into it). I suggest you at least watch the VERY last episode. It will be extreamly out of context, but the last few minutes of last ep, just after the "battle" and before the epilogue should at least show you why I think they might have used Scrapped Princess (aside from at least 2 sets of twins being in it, as well). One of your comments in here, actually made me wonder if you HAD seen it by now. That's when pain reason I asked.

[@BluesLoreCrumbs]

Hi, Windeen! I haven't watched it yet! I didn't forget your suggestion, once I finished the anime I was watching I looked into it but it's not available in the app I use, so I have some digging to do in order to find it. If all goes well, this weekend I will actually have time to relax, so I'll take to riffling through every website I can think of hahah

[@spamserket]

I’m early!!!

[@Adakiyus]

So how powerful is neuvellete now? Do you think he is the stronger than the archons now with his full power?

[@paris5831]

Yes

[@The_original_one]

Yes he now possess absolut control over hydro and as he said himself he will flood the heaven

[@momslayer456]

About neuvillette wanting to kill the primordial one. The primordial one was stated to be weakened and severely wounded from the war against the second who came The "second who came" is likely more powerful than the dragons However realistically if the primordial one is extremely weakened neuvillette might actually have a chance against him

[@mitab1]

Except that neuvillette's character story talks about how the primordial one and the second who came came to an agreement and worked together to create the gnosises, which means, not only is neuvillette the only dragon so far to get his powers back, but is now against, BOTH the primordial one and the second who came, who are Individually stronger than all 7 dragons will full power, imagine how powerful they're together

[@momslayer456]

@@mitab1 oh nah... He stands no chance ong

[@The_original_one]

​@@mitab1honestly archons feels like fodders if we think about the sovereigns, dragon king nebulog,SWC,PO, abyse prinsess/prince,sirk,gold and the whole hexenzarcale

[@Shreyash112]

@@mitab1 all we saw till now tend to not harm humans at all, maybe dvalin will become the anemo sovereign as venti gave him authority and he is good dragon, azhdeha is prlly geo dragon sovereign and he fought alongside zhongli for sake of humanity, apep was just irritated by forbidden knowledge thus behaved not so good but indeed didn’t intended to harm humans, neuvilette is ofc best example for this,and also i guess electro pyro and cryo sovreigns would be the same, they only consider heavenly principles and usurpers guilty..

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

7)=D

[@foreverandonward]

While he does have his full power, it's not because of the Gnosis

[@raykratz]

Do NOT trust him. Furina is willing to sacrifice herself for the people, but she will NOT sacrifice herself for him to rule!!!

[@Sambroke]

Its not light and dark its imaginary and quantum. Genshin only casuals are hilarious