WILL THE NYX AND TRINITY REWORKS SAVE THEM? (WARFRAME)

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@provaricus627 Ай бұрын

Trinity was always good, it’s just that players are so used to being self-sufficient that they won’t let Trinity do her thing.

@Omegeddon Ай бұрын

Because there's no need. Health hasn't been a resource in a long time and there's a million other ways to get energy

@inglebear84 Ай бұрын

WF is great, don’t get me wrong. But a game should never have characters and classes that can only be played when other players “let them do their thing” ie: allow them. I’d absolutely love to see the game change to where CC and healing are once again critical. But I started WF back in 2017, and that was the last time “classes” were balanced. It’s all power fantasy now, and power in the form of aggression. Most ‘meta’ frames ever caught my interest. Volt, Rhino, Revenant, others. It’s sucks sometimes, but stick with what you like and elbow your way to the front of the crowd if you have to.

@nikolaiprophet Ай бұрын

I am a trinity main. She really need a rework. Her 3rd should link up to 10 enemies or just make it an entire aoe effect. her 2nd should be over 200% energy per pulse base on strength. Rework her first and make her duration for her 4th longer.

@provaricus627 Ай бұрын

@ It never started out that way, you know. The game evolved to the point where some of the starting-to-early frames became less and less relevant while others flourished. They are still absolutely playable, CC and healing are still plenty valuable if you have the preferred playstyle, it’s just that the game now prioritizes absolute lethality over the alternatives. Doesn’t mean you can’t do those other things if you’re fine with a slower pace.

@leoliu5472 Ай бұрын

The thing is that self-sufficient is a requirement in my eyes. Because you have to play through most star chart alone. There isn’t always someone to help. Rely on others to help you can take forever. Plus, even a very self sufficient frame has flaw, i was playing Dante as he is the only thing I took my time with, but he is very hungry for energy for a beginner, and I am not able to get enough strength so everybody lingers and ganged up on me.

@siennaistrans Ай бұрын

stacking trin pasive with arcane battery could go crazy

@gashabae Ай бұрын

Yes! 5x Tau Armour shards + Fractured Blast (over EV) + Health Conversion + Arcane Battery is what I'm planning to go with to maximize her passive. Probably not the most viable build but it sounds fun lol

@chrisanderson7820 Ай бұрын

I still think Trinity is a worthwhile frame for new players especially with the proliferation of status damage over the years, the +Health for Infested and Eximus heavy missions. Again mainly for new players who don't have all the fancy mods and arcanes of veterans but she has a place. I really hope the Nyx rework is on point, I used to play her constantly years back before she got bypassed, she's never been bad but that lack of damage always hurt her, all tank no spank.

@jaketheman1577 Ай бұрын

This is more so a warframe problem and less of a nyx problem. The game is all about kill per minute. Wisp is low key useless asf too. Her damage buffs is her subsume which sucks because in content where staying alive matters most of her kit is useless. Any frame not geared towards nuking is useless tbh. Wareframe needs tankier enemies that do less damage which would make health tank useful and make map wiping impossible.

@AtomicPineapple23 Ай бұрын

Nyx is still a pretty useful frame with her armor strip and objective lockdown with her 3. I hope she’ll be even better after he rework because not only was she my first built warframe she was also my first prime

@aldeonuwu2634 Ай бұрын

Actually her 4th is getting nerfed

@willythekid0768 Ай бұрын

Still not entirely sure if I would pick Trinity over Citrine. I think Nyx won here.

@ReneRodriguez-qd8pj Ай бұрын

Trinity isnt a support frame in this meta. She’s entirely made for solo now

@Jade-dr3qe Ай бұрын

i think something notable with the champion blessing augment per the workshop is that the base duration is now 30 seconds. assuming it'll still scale with duration it'll make upkeeping it much easier to do if you're already refreshing blessing. i still wish they also made champion blessing build its buff off of shields restored too but maybe this'll be sufficient enough.

@ozhin3317 Ай бұрын

Trinity has been my favorite Tank frame with her 3-4 Combo and Adaptation to become basically immortal. Her 2nd ability incapacitates Eximus through Overguard and has been my favorite Oh-No button when an eximus appears next to me randomly. Super fun IMO and with Xata's or Roar she can be a solid frame for Short-Duration Endurance runs

@chamucoliz Ай бұрын

The rework is cool, i like them both but I rarely used them and will rarely use them. Now I really hope to see an actual amazing rework to loki in the future

@Jovian999 Ай бұрын

The Nyx changes look great. Her concept was always good; it just hadn't kept pace with the rest of the game. Absorb doesn't need to be a nuke IMHO but we'll see what they do with it. Trinity I'm less sure of. I like the changes, but I still don't think a pure healer frame has a big role in current Warframe, where everyone has some way of staying alive on their own and the top priority is killing quickly. Ideally she'd become a strong pick for lategame stuff like long endurance runs or Deep Archimedea but I don't know if that will happen. I do find it interesting that DE will be handing out a free Nyx, when it's one of the easiest frames in the game to get. Free Trinity on the other hand would have been really nice.

@jaketheman1577 Ай бұрын

Right wisp kit is pretty much crap for the same reason. Breach surge is good but way better on nuking frames that can really take advantage of it. Her fire mote is the only good thing besides that and still that's more qol than a straight damage buff.

@Wolfnrun Ай бұрын

I always strangely liked nyx and these changes are awesome! For trinity I dunno. It’s good but it’s not great until it comes and I can figure out if it’s enough. I think nyx got a bigger buff since she was in a weird disposition for so long. Trinity was good but has been over shadowed. Let’s see what happens!

@curiruri Ай бұрын

Haven't explored nyx yet but trinity has been one of my favorite frames to play of late, with her super easy survival and generally good support

@curiruri Ай бұрын

Don't catch me wrong I'm always happy for a buff though

@nguyenhuyduc9151 Ай бұрын

Trinity is good enough now if you can control her duration. Just cast 2 skill each 20 sec and each skill takes 2 sec to cast. It is just annoyed

@curiruri Ай бұрын

@nguyenhuyduc9151 yea exactly as I said, love playing her now but I won't say no to a buff

@NinjaSyao Ай бұрын

Trinity has always been good at her job, she's just getting buffs to eliminate the annoyances of her kit and make her more flexible with builds. She'll be a lot better yes, but Nyx is the real winner here! Jury's still out on Mind Control, but Psychic Bolts looks incredible now! Chaos still be doing its thing, but is now also a very easy way to keep her new damage boost passive up at all times and Absorb is now a true panic button, while not losing what made it good in the past. Looking forward to both, but Nyx is definetly the one I want to experiment with as I love CC focused frames, but she's always been kinda meh to me.

@ML7WL Ай бұрын

Better for sure. But still very niche...a dedicate support and a dedicate crowd control frame. In the past roles were well defined, but nowadays buils tend to be cosmopolitan, trying to be self-suficient. For example: hellstrum energy generator dethcube also can do some amount of cc, and healing...without even touching the warframe itself.

@SissypheanCatboy Ай бұрын

A lot of problems with warframe would be fixed by just capping enemy damage scaling way below where it currently is. There's no point in healing when your entire health bar gets deleted in one shot by every high level trash mob. Just rework the abilities that make you effectively invincible and reduce enemy damage so healing STAYS viable at all levels of play.

@aldeonuwu2634 Ай бұрын

Nyx rn is op af, not only u are invincible but u can make enemys figth each others and that is huuuuuuge Nd rn u need just 130 power to get 100% aemor streep

@nguyenhuyduc9151 Ай бұрын

Trinity doing good now, the problem is her base duration.

@elchupanibre868 Ай бұрын

they need to make those emotes swap to all other frames on the fly, same with weapons too

@gashabae Ай бұрын

Nyx for sure won I was hoping they'd buff Champions blessing to apply to nearby teammates (at 50% effectiveness) and stack with health & shield regained from her 4th to make it easier to use. The massive duration buff is still nice but doesn't fix it for me. Also, Trinity should really get more DR from either Link or Blessing. Maybe just Link gets pushed to 90 or both to 80?

@gabriell3446 Ай бұрын

The only thing that will save Trinity is a non lobster tail skin

@Vunexalry Ай бұрын

My loki got a side buff because of that mind control AI rework

@madearjaya3626 Ай бұрын

Mind control + damage decoy would be nice primer

@Stealth472 Ай бұрын

Sounds like your Loki is similar to mine.

@nguyenhuyduc9151 Ай бұрын

Guest what, i sometimes use loki without invisible. His swap aug and decoy is just too good to everything

@Doberdobax Ай бұрын

Nyx is already good, with the rework she'll be great

@AmieW Ай бұрын

trinity and nyx is already a good warframe, there is no need saving DE just buff their ability more

@9NASHY Ай бұрын

Roar trinity or nourish trinity?

@kancelas Ай бұрын

Idk how to feel about these reworks, on one hand, both frames need serious help, but DE refuses to accept the fact that they made their bed, and now have to lay in it.

@TheBrocktonBlockbust Ай бұрын

If it is going to be dropped after the 12th of December might as well say it's gonna be released in 2025. My bet is for the week after, but who knows.

@giles.9862 Ай бұрын

End of year mainline updates are usually around that time. Whispers and New War were both released on 15 Dec in their respective years

@TheBrocktonBlockbust Ай бұрын

@@giles.9862 would be awesome if it's on the 15th

@MatPat-i5p Ай бұрын

How are you melting them with this weopon?

@BobaSoda_ Ай бұрын

Trinity and Nyx are really good before the rework and they'll be amazing after the rework. It's so unfair to compare actually balanced Warframes to newer Warframes with purposely unbalanced and bloated kits. There's a reason why DE packs so many effects into a single ability (ability bloat) despite it being an unbalanced approach to Warframe design, it's to pull you away and entice you to drop what's already good so you have a reason to play with their newest toy and you're actually taking the bait.

@yofolkdem1256 Ай бұрын

There's bound to be a change in how frames are constructed over the 10yrs the game has existed.

@BobaSoda_ Ай бұрын

@@yofolkdem1256 But the change isn't going in a good direction. Cyte-09's ammo ability gives you access to every status in the game which is way more than what Lavos (the literal alchemist frame) can access. Instead of making new abilities for new Warframes, they're making single abilities completely replace the functions of older Warframes. Besides Cyte-09's second ability, he's by far the most original Warframe recently made that doesn't encroach on or replace previous entries.

@yofolkdem1256 Ай бұрын

@@BobaSoda_ good is subjective here, for all we know DE found a way around a "creative block". Lavos can still be reworked, tho that is a very lazy defense and com'on we're judging C-09 off his perceived potential as if he can't get nerf hammered. Some frames of the past are balance breaking like Equinox or Voruna; 50m Nukes that don't need LOS, make newbies Dante and Jade seem irrelevant outside of Dan giving the squad over-guard + book companion thing and Jade's Eyes armor strip and revive. DE has to experiment with every new frame and realistically can't avoid over-lapping/shadowing things of the past without super extensive delays. Could they do better? Yes Does it mean the experience will improve? Not necessarily, if they sacrifice content schedules and there's nothing for players to look forward to, Warframe would drop dead.

@BobaSoda_ Ай бұрын

@@yofolkdem1256 Didn't say Cyte-09 was "good" because it's too early to tell but I did say he's the most original out of the latest roster of Warframes, don't get it twisted. Voruna does need LOS, her 4th ability auto-target can't target things behind the wall and the augment for her 2nd ability doesn't cover that big of a radius (def not on the level of Equinox). Lumping Voruna in with Equinox honestly tells me you've never played Voruna and you're repeating an opinion with zero personal confirmation. Be so for real right now, nothing DE does is an experiment, every "experiment" has been in the game for 5+ years and If it were really subject to change then it would've already been changed. Only reason Trinity & Nyx are receiving reworks is because they're both part of the cash cow that is 1999 and by the time Lavos gets a touch up the game will be dead. The thing that will kill the game is its devotion to continue making unbalanced content, DE is digging their own grave.

@yofolkdem1256 Ай бұрын

@@BobaSoda_ aight so I gotta correct you 3 times??? 1. I never said you said anything about C-09, "good" was in reference to what you said about "direction". 2. I inferred that we were prejudging C-09 element mixing ability, it may be more complex than Lavos. 3. I've had Voruna mastered since last year Sept a month after I 1st started playing(MR24 now) Melee influence can still occasionally chain off her 4, similar to Saryn toxic lash augment used too.

@cinderpsycho1985 Ай бұрын

The Trinity changes are perfect completly. Her theme is the same of healing and sustain instead of one shot a room. I disagree with you about her passive not being to useful as it lets her have more of what she needs form her team HP. Yeah I know shield gating and overguard is stronger yada yada armor bad but can we just throw that out the window for one second? Armor and Health is still good and her theme is to HEAL not give overguard, increasing her allies HP lets her do that. Also arcane battery on her looks quite fun and might be one of those that give her more effectiveness then other frames kinda like armor on rhino giving him Damage reduction but also better iron skin. Take valkyrs warcry for example yeah attackspeed is nice but it also boost base armor not very impressive for teammates if the armor is like 2.... Trinity would face the same problem if an ally had low HP so giving her a passive that force feed everyone a vitality fixes that. As for Energy vampire no longer being good for low duration there is a very easy way to get quick energy anyway. Just shoot the target.

@NinjaSyao Ай бұрын

Agreed! And Trinity can even one shot a room if people want to, Energy Vampire + Marked For Death has been a thing for ages XD

@kazumablackwing4270 Ай бұрын

@@NinjaSyaoexactly. Even post MFD nerf, it's still a solid strategy..it just requires a little foresight with picking your target to mark (beefier targets = more damage in the burst). It's especially solid against the murmur since a lot of them have high hp..and it's a decent pick for Index as well, since the constant energy drain from carrying points can be countered by EV as long as you're able to continue stacking bodies

@Ssecave Ай бұрын

Nyx will def be more efficient/fun to play (I still find her 4 be the anti-warframe/fun.You're doing nothing, move like a snail. Not much fun honestly. Her 2nd and 3rd seems pretty good now. I like that She's not a "remove armor from 3 tilesets with 1 button" frame but You need to choose your targets (mostly). Trinity on the other hand... Why would you take her when you have Dante, Frost or anything else that can give metric tons of overguard. Healers in WF are now pretty useless sadly.

@josiahsears6191 Ай бұрын

Love ur content stay focused. Can u plz make a koumie build

@blaznotshort8856 Ай бұрын

What is the first music?

@MrTurtle15 Ай бұрын

Trinity is op when it comes to shield and energy and she cant be knockdown or get status effects when tethered to the enemy. I disagree trinity is not one of the worst but one of the best

@aliawarke8765 Ай бұрын

Try trinitys vampire energy with marker for death , thank me later.

@noisereport8636 Ай бұрын

I just want super jump so I can use assimilate with a slam melee.

@fev3rd Ай бұрын

Ps there is nothing wrong with trinity.

@mr.cuttystabby5331 Ай бұрын

nyx yes, trin maybe

@vladan0889 Ай бұрын

I think the rework will not be that great for both.

@Claire_Kjær Ай бұрын

Used to be a Trinity main, i dont fully buy this. She used to be really fun to play, and a powerhouse on top, but with all the content that was released after her, she just keeps falling behind... and this rework is too small of a impact. 😭. Nobody needs healing, armor rework makes armor strip mostly useless unless level cap, and now its back to slow energy recovery.