Will Your GOD Help You Convince Us?? Call Matt Dillahunty & Jim Barrows | The Hang Up 01.22.25

[@FaiaHalo]

Sorry I'm so late today. 2:24 Matt's Hang Up. 18:01 Jim's Intro.34:50 Timmy (he/him) - Theist | Caller literally asks "do you think that trans women should compete against real women in sports?" 36:06 Dominic (he/him) - Theist | Caller claims that individuals should be protecting their own rights. 56:47 Heisen Berg (he/him) - Atheist | Caller wants to talk about the Christian god's sins. 1:05:24 Ashe (they/them) - Theist | Caller claims that the Christian god "is love" and claims that "there's good reason to believe" in this god. 1:38:19 Walker (he/him) - Atheist | "Is [the shroud of Turin] reliable evidence for a supernatural god, like Jesus?" 1:42:36 Clay (he/him) - Atheist | Caller asks "where do you think the line is about where the progressive view of [the Christian] god winds up talking about something that is completely outside of what Christianity sees from the bible?" 2:05:39 Keato (he/him) - Theist | Caller claims that the cheeto man being elected and intelligent design "is a win for the US' education system." [Yeah, really...] 2:15:14 David (he/him) - Theist | Caller claims that "god will convince you if you are open to it." 2:27:27 Faith (she/her) - Atheist | Caller wonders if religion should be allowed in society. 2:37:35 Amir (he/him) - Theist | Caller claims that "an intelligent creator that brought everything into existence" exists and that he has a deductive argument that proves this. 2:59:04 Superchats.

[@kidslovesatan34]

Thank you, Lovely.

[@shanewilson7994]

I appreciate your work, as always.

[@Nocturnalux]

Thank so much, as ever!

[@hasans.m.1618]

Sos argentina che?

[@FaiaHalo]

Thanks all of you for your patience ❤

[@Murdant]

I appreciate that Matt stops the trolls right off and doesn't engage them for 45 minutes. It's a complete waste of time - especially when there are other callers who sincerely want to engage. It's why Matt is one of the few hosts that I can watch.

[@johnnehrich9601]

I totally agree.

[@surerollins5179]

Heyya, im Walker. I called about questioning the shroud of Turin being relaible. That was my first time evwry calling in to anuthing andI wanted to say that this channel is amazing, and i have been watching for months now. You have encouraged me to delve into logic study and religion and politics more.

[@kentonbaird1723]

Cheers, Walker. Never stop questioning and searching. Once you have answers, look for what possibly debunks them. And then debunk that. It's a frustrating, long process, but you will be better for it.

[@mindcraftyD13]

a simple axiom to keep in mind: truth withstands scrutiny. That which is true will never fear investigation.

[@roppa789]

Hi Walker. Have you watched recent videos by Paulogia? He has looked at Mel Gibsons podcast with Joe Rogan and covers his own thoughts on the shroud. Good luck with your own thought processes. They are yours and yours alone - no need for a mythical to somehow do the driving.

[@trafficjon400]

is the shroud of the turin a catholic thing ? I heard about the turin but not sure if its a canvas or picture on a canvas.

[@Julian0101]

@@trafficjon400 Yes and no, it initiated within catholicism, but after a few years the catholic church decalred the shroud is irrelevant for their fatih, but they wouldnt go out of their way to denounce it.

[@darrenleelayton6052]

I've watched Jim on these shows for years. Tonight was truly one of his best "performances" ever. Superb stuff!

[@Big74Mike2012]

Yes... his eyebrows definitely stole the show!!

[@roguepause]

Feels so good to see Jim and Matt together again. Would love to see more!❤

[@HauntedLuci]

On behalf of all Dominics, I deeply apologize for letting this one escape from the Dominic Factory.

[@DOMinatorxXx42]

You're made in a factory? Good to know

[@iconifyme]

I hate when even the left refers to AOC as a "former bartender". Yes, she worked as a bartender like all of us have done various jobs while in school. She has advanced degrees in economics and geopolitics. Referring to her as "just a bartender" robs her of her actual qualifications and just helps the right's narrative that she is not qualified. She went to university for this job. She is very qualified. Her past employment to pay rent is irrelevant. I had a job literally shoveling shit. That has no bearing on my qualifications as a software engineer. That said, AOC IS a good example of someone who did not have billionaires funding her being elected to Congress. MTG and Lauren Boebert did not. These are not the same. MTG actually IS rich. She is a multi-millionaire.

[@Rack65]

Nothing wrong with shoveling shit as long as you’re wearing ppe.

[@fasillimerick7394]

@Rack65. Hi there, I'm Fasil. Even with PPE, pouring some diesel fuel into a steel barrel full of shit, setting on fire, and stirring it for a while causes some health issues. And sweet Jebus, the smell. Nothing gets that smell out of your head, or DCUs.

[@fasillimerick7394]

If a person wants to go far enough back, everyone could be described as a "former diaper-wearing, pants shitter". Hell, I used to be a Republican (but I'm feeling much better now).

[@nickguy8037]

You miss the entire point of Jim’s comment. AOC started with humble beginnings and look at her now. So stop saying that someone without a powerful head start cannot get into power. You should be proud of her story not trying to suppress it.

[@Rack65]

@@fasillimerick7394 Hi Fasil. You are correct. I would leave a job if my boss didn’t offer safety. When I was younger perhaps I would have stayed longer. I did mold removal with vapor barrier mask and diluted bleach a few times. Each time I did this type I had bad effects on my lungs. The last job with full ppe I got badly sick for a week. Never again with bleach.

[@Corporations8MyBaby]

Class consciousness and class solidarity and the perfect moment is how we defeat fascism

[@alexwood8555]

Stop taking Keato’s call, he is a troll

[@pihimarine]

Clearly obvious. Makes the show unwatchable

[@symbiotesam3562]

Yeah, he is not serious

[@jermaniac8054]

If a preacher said to Biden in his inaugural events, the same thing that was said to Trump, Biden would have nodded along in agreement. The fact that Trump doesn’t know what humanity, love, and empathy are and only believes in helping himself is what makes this an issue for him (and in turn, his lackeys).

[@scottgrohs5940]

It was like another realization that the Old Republic has been replaced by the Galactic Empire.

[@victoriacritchlow9069]

She was a disgrace. Wasn't the time to push a woke agenda

[@darrenleelayton6052]

Why in the hell is Keato not banned? Patently laughing that he gets on again and again.

[@Magnusfication]

Ive been wondering that too. Hes been an obvious troll for a long time. That includes his alternative accounts like Esther and Amir. 😂

[@Shadowjester1985]

Clicks and views, that's why.

[@SatansLeadGuitarist]

I was thinking this on Sunday when they took his call. He's so obviously a troll who just wants to antagonize the hosts. At this point I'm pretty sure they're just letting him on to get content for clips.

[@Iamthebigcheeze]

@@SatansLeadGuitaristhis KZbin channel linked to his name is him trolling people on video game livestreams. He is clearly a dishonest, attention-starved, weirdo.

[@botarakutabi1199]

@@SatansLeadGuitarist That video had some hilarious comments from and to Keato on it too.

[@averyray3812]

As a federal employee, this feels like a real "Jews under the floorboards" situation...

[@p.bamygdala2139]

I would have handled Ashe very differently. They needed just a little positivity, reassurance, support, and encouragement to step outside their comfort zone, to feel like they were being welcomed to an exciting new beginning rather than fought.

[@mollymalone6941]

I wonder how many aliases Keato calls in with.

[@sXePunkV2]

Amir and Esther and two of them, so, at least those

[@zoranocokoljic8927]

When you eliminate impossible, whatever's left, no matter how improbable, must be POSSIBLE.

[@Never-mind1960]

1930 Germans had plenty of warning and yet they still had to learn the hard way, and so will we.

[@Katnip452]

Most people don’t seem to learn. There are zillions of movies about how evil the Nazis were. “Most people” in this the former America WANTED the evil and ran TOWARDS putting the new Nazis into power.

[@Locust13]

Matt is the GOAT and Jim is pretty doggone great!

[@shanewilson7994]

Dominic, if we are working on "protecting our rights ourselves," I have a friend who is on disability, she has a lot of really serious medical issues, how is the going to defend her rights against someone who wants to take them away without the assistance of larger organizations like the government helping protect her?

[@loki2240]

Dominic doesn't really care. Some of these people will actually come out and say that disabled people are "useless eaters." Others may be unfamiliar with the Not Sea rhetoric, or they may be unwilling to cite it in mixed company, but they'll say essentially the same thing - "It's not my problem, why should I have to pay MY money to support them, they weaken the species, etc." Truly nasty people who wouldn't apply the same ideology to themselves.

[@Abraxun]

Dominic’s call was disgusting, such a horrible misunderstanding and lack of empathy for marginalized groups. Anyone who thinks that rights only extend towards our safety and only our safety is either delusional or lying, and saying that “being marginalized isn’t always bad” utterly wild too that someone would outright say that live on air being deadass 😂

[@winstonjen5360]

That's what religion and being conservative will do to people.

[@shanewilson7994]

Yup, and this isn't even getting into things like regulations on pollution and stuff, which the rich definitely would love to do away with at the expense of those without as much power. Because who cares about them?

[@Mmmmilo]

Normally I’d agree with you, but Dominic clearly showed he hadn’t thought his point through and I’m 99% convinced that’s why he ran away. It was such an incredibly flimsy position, and I think he realized that at the end, but was unable to admit it. If anyone’s wondering why his model breaks instantly: the only way 100% individual rights would even have a remote chance of working, is if we were 100% individualistic. The moment you interact with ANYONE, which we are wont to do as a social species, the entire model instantly falls apart. Dominic talked about going to a store to get food; well, what if the store owner wants to deny you food, just because? That’s his right. You can then unalive him, because that’s your right. Right? See how dumb this sounds? Society is about compromise. Rugged individualism doesn’t support that, by definition.

[@gryph01]

Yeah, Dominic is a textbook Anarcho-Libertarian. I wouldn't be surprised if he has Sovcit leanings

[@timo5601]

Dominic, try and individually protect your rights against a health insurance company that will drown you in debt and drag you through the courts until you give up.

[@loki2240]

Let's just say he's "not exceptionally intelligent," on top of being really self-centered. He apparently feels relatively comfortable now, and he's more concerned with having to pay taxes than with other entities mistreating him and especially other people. He doesn't seem to be concerned about being disabled, his employer and most other potential employers mistreating him (with compensation, required hours, unnecessarily hazardous work environment, harassment, etc.), businesses committing consumer fraud or causing undue harm with their products or services, being targeted by other regular people for his property or just to attack him, no one in particular to manage drinking water, sewage, flooding, erosion, wildfires, other natural disasters, auto traffic, air travel, etc. These people grossly exaggerate their ability to fend for themselves, they fail to take into account how things were before the government regulation that we have today, and they're woefully ignorant of how complex society is (or they promote their ideology but then admit that they want some government services when questioned about them). EDIT: And I'll point out that he talked about going to the store and buying things with his money and having more of it without taxes - but where would money come from without government? And we just experienced supply chain issues during and after the pandemic. We couldn't buy some things at some times during the pandemic, and prices have been artificially inflated since the pandemic because companies found out they could charge more and still sell their products and services. Would he just go to another planet with lower prices?

[@IRGeamer]

The only thing more ridiculously preposterous than thinking pure communism is possible is thinking pure anarchy/libertarianism is possible or even desirable. Two sides of the same coin, one where eventually, practically no one will own anything and the other were eventually, one person will own practically everything.

[@shawn092182]

​@@loki2240According to his argument, he can't even go buy things at the store because the store owner has the right not to let him into the store.

[@Mmmmilo]

Dominic clearly showed he hadn’t thought his point through and I’m 99% convinced that’s why he ran away. It was such an incredibly flimsy position, and I think he realized that at the end, but was unable to admit it. If anyone’s wondering why his model breaks instantly: the only way 100% individual rights would even have a remote chance of working, is if we were 100% individualistic. The moment you interact with ANYONE, which we are wont to do as a social species, the entire model falls apart. Dominic talked about going to a store to get food; well, what if the store owner wants to deny you food, just because? That’s his right. You can then unalive him, because that’s your right. Right? See how dumb this sounds? Society is about compromise. Rugged individualism doesn’t support that, by definition.

[@loki2240]

For those who don't already know, research what happened when libertarians gained control of Grafton, New Hampshire.

[@russelsteward3412]

I am so close to giving up watching Matt, he is just so vicious and then when he doesn't get his way, just hangs up on people. He does that without respect for the co-host and the viewers who would have liked to see the outcome of a more reasonable discussion. He is like a spoiled brat of a child. Yes, some theists are so programmed that they barely understand why their beliefs are not sound, and while it's frustrating, Matt's approach is now totally out of control. Even Forrest is becoming a mini Matt, this is not helping what your trying to achieve. It's embarrassing.

[@medalion1390]

Parts like 2:22:23 really frustrate me because it completely derails the call. I get that interruptions are annoying and there are definitely troll callers that need to be put down, but up until then they were both doing a good job of walking that guy through the logic step by step. It may not have ultimately sunk in for the caller but I guarantee it gets through to people watching. I felt really bad for Jim throughout this, so many times Matt cut him off or ended a call when it was obvious he had more to say.

[@LawrenceAdele1919]

I'm a boomer and I've seen a lot, but I am utterly flabbergasted at what is happening in America. We are in perilous territory as a nation; our democracy is in grave danger. We have an adjudicated rapist and convicted felon, surrounded by greedy billionaires and extreme religious opportunists, running the country. People will suffer, we all will suffer.

[@IRGeamer]

Flabergasted? As a Gen X'r, it was pretty clear when I saw first hand that the elimination of: the fairness doctrine, child advertising restrictions and funds from basic education, along with the rising glorification of pro-wresting, being a "real man", and anti-intellectual conspiracies would lead to this point.

[@lukasmontenegro3558]

It is important to clarify the debate starting at 2:49:35. The first law of thermodynamics CANNOT be applied to close systems, because the first law treats precisely about EXCHANGES of energy between a system and its environment. If the system is closed, those exchanges could not occur, by definition. In precise terms, the first law declares that, if there are changes in the interal energy of a system, it is because it either performed work on its environment, (e.g. an expanding baloon pushing the air around it) or received heat from that environment. Since these are the ONLY forms to account for energy changes, there is an implicit conclusion that no energy is being spontanteously created or destroyed inside the system, and from it there comes the coloquial description of the first law as "matter or energy cannot be created or destroyed".

[@bootskanchelsis3337]

I hate my own country due to powers beyond my control.

[@hansverhaegen8406]

Amir has only one argument: the kalam cosmological argument. He uses different words but it always comes down to just that. He's just as much a troll as Keato.

[@amacuro]

1:09:21 Ok pet peeve of mine in these Atheist shows. You have Matt making a really long point that is very relevant to challenge the caller, there is this huge build up to hear what the caller has to say about this challenge, and instead of letting Matt's question sink in and see its effect, the OTHER host completely disregards it, interrupts, asks a completely different question, and then the caller is bailed out from Matt's challenge and answers the easier question from the stupid host. LET THE QUESTIONS BE ANSWERED AND THEN YOU CAN ASK YOUR OWN LATER.

[@duskyrose9243]

Jim does that. A LOT. That's why he's not at the top of my favorite co-hosts with Matt. He doesn't seem to see what Matt is trying to steer the caller toward.

[@cheemster2619]

To be fair, when it comes to bad-faith callers, it usually goes: Matt challenges them -> Caller gets annoyed -> Caller hangs ups without the co-host being able to add anything. So I'm glad when anyone other than Matt just goes off on a tangent

[@presidentobummer447]

Yup, that was a weird one

[@richardw7665]

Jim does do it a lot, its something that's got worse since these shows went remote because of all the delays and also when you're sat in person you get a better feel of when to speak and when not too.

[@tammyburton8289]

Ty for the show it made my day soooooo much better being with everyone here and appreciate the hosts diligent work

[@swa_peeters]

2025 Doctor to patient: Sorry, but we have to postpone your surgery. We don't have Donald's permission yet.

[@paul.c.gregory]

Love listening to theists like David when faced with a relatively straightforward question, but one that challenges their beliefs, they repeat the question back word for word. This is a clear indication that their brain is struggling with the position they find themselves in and have to deflect while they work out a way of avoiding the question because the actual answer is not something they are willing to accept.

[@shaneoid361]

Modern American Christians are suffering from cognitive dissonance, clearly. These people on The Line are not helping, as they are clearly full of the Dunning-Kruger effect themselves. As is most of the US. Pompous, belligerent and arrogant to the core.

[@PrickfaceMcDoobadob]

I really missed Jim being on The Line, he’s an awesome guest

[@Mmmmilo]

Can we ban Keato? He’s just a troll, regardless of whether he’s sincere or not.

[@sh1tster]

Something can't come from nothing, therefor the roller skating leprechaun farted out the universe. And I know what She wants.

[@rodzalez3549]

As a mexican american citizen. I do have in laws and members that right now are terrified. While they did come in legally, they dont have their papers yet but their kids are citizens. No ine is going to church, school for fear of getting rounded up

[@Locust13]

Thanks Matt for being willing to call out Keato for his obvious trolling bullshit right off rip

[@warrenvoight8392]

Great show. Good to see Jim 🇿🇦

[@ericadar3386]

Nice to see Jim back on.

[@maximilianovilla_]

Keato may be the dumbest caller this show has ever had.

[@johnnehrich9601]

Unfortunately, too many contenders for this claim. But I think too many are actively shooting for this recognition.

[@botarakutabi1199]

You should have seen where he said there can't be software engineers with 25 years of experience because computers haven't existed that long. Like Y2K was literally 25 years ago. Lololol

[@maximilianovilla_]

@@botarakutabi1199 LOL

[@roguebotanist]

"Not my problem " That's why Trump was elected.

[@summersnake]

Instead of running out of funding and shutting down the fede.. oops I mean Callinstudio, we need to raise the callinstudio debt ceiling!

[@douglaslatham9904]

The more I listen to you poor people, the more amazed I am that you aren't batshit crazy from trying to make any sense out of the evasive word salads that the vast majority of religious callers you talk too, deliver as "their reasons for belief".

[@ojrmk1]

What a fucking world, where I'm standing cheering with tears in my eyes at the words of a bishop to stand against the callousness of charlatans.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Episcopalians are sort of the cool rebels of Christianity as far as social issues are concerned. Their positions are highly anti-biblical but usually tolerable and often agreeable (as a direct result).

[@TheJimtanker]

Did you see the tweet the orange goblin king made about her? It’s disgusting and not befitting a POTUS.

[@shanewilson7994]

@@TheJimtanker I did love that he threw a tantrum at the very thought of being nice to people.

[@herbieshine1312]

Yep!

[@christopherhowarth9801]

Another ridiculous virtue signaling lefty whose misjudged timing is more likely to be counterproductive, because I'm pretty sure Trump won't take kindly to being patronized and lectured at! Hopefully he'll focus his ire at the church.

[@ronrolfsen3977]

I have said it somewhere else. But it seems very peak US politics that the there are check and balances in place to prevent a president from doing stuff....but then also give that same president the power to just ignore the checks and balance. Just pointless.

[@ryandean5941]

Dominic's call just screams, "I'm a freshman in college who read a book about anarchy and now I think I know a hundred times more than I actually do."

[@SixStringHarmonies]

I despise libertarians. I used to be one for years. Then I grew up and learned. You cannot argue with libertarian brain rot, e.g. Dominic. The nuance present in a vast interconnected society of both competing and sympathetic systems is lost on them. I can assure you that after 2 hours of arguing their solution for dispute resolution between individuals is armed insurance companies. And some of them actually believe this is somehow better than a democratically elected government. Of course none of them have an answer as to how roads get built. How lighting is put onto roads, rail and transport infrastructure, etc. Sam Seder always does a fantastic job destroying ridiculous libertarian arguments with a few simple questions. At the end of the day, most of them are either criminals or people who are born rich and don't want to pay taxes and that informs their entire worldview. The one thing taxes do if nothing else is to provision the government and stand up the currency. Of course they do much more than that but libertarians can't understand that

[@Xynth22]

Dominic reminds me of one of those sovereign citizen types.

[@PamiShoodrani]

Keato, your views are scary. Where did you get your brainwashing? I mean, you're the only one keeping score. You call in to fight with subtle digs because you've been taught to be offended by different points of view. Rather, if you had sincere questions, you might learn something. Your mind is closed off in a typically unhealthy way.

[@nilliewelson1927]

THANK YOU for hanging up on Keato. Clearly a troll. Clearly no thoughts. Just trying to start a fight. Not serious at all. What a sad life he is wasting.

[@andrewginder1787]

Hello Matt. You’ve saved my moral beliefs and helped me find actual recovery without god in smart recovery. I would like to hear back from you on what your views of morality is on Buddhism. I found Buddhism comforting because it follows mindfulness without fear mongering or manipulation

[@brandonburough1215]

I love Jim.

[@TheJimtanker]

We need to RISE UP during the next mid-term election.

[@UniverseUndone7]

Now. We need to start now.

[@miasma5733]

lmao, no, rise down from wokeness first.

[@kentonbaird1723]

You weren't doing that during the actual vote~?

[@ottonormalverbrauch3794]

​@@miasma5733 Could you accurately describe 'wokeness'?

[@Magnusfication]

​@@ottonormalverbrauch3794 i will bet my grandmother they cannot.

[@noemiperez8447]

I absolutely love that Jim took the time to break down the Sherlock Holmes quote

[@gryph01]

As a Canadian, I can confirm that we are stroct adherents of the Geneva Checklist.....was that my outside voice?

[@a.j.johnsonjr.3892]

Ya'all remember that form you got to fill out , you know , the one right before you were born ? The one where you get to pick if you want to be male or female , black or white, tall or short , gay or straight and of course , what country you would you like to be born in ? Yea, neither do I . So WHY all the predjudice against something that none of us had anything to do with ?

[@tallgirl195]

Dr. Ben made a video explaining "at conception" we are neither female or male yet, we have indifferent gonads. Republicans putting out scientific misinformation? Shock!

[@themaster408]

I forget how much I like Jim Barrows, but every time he's on I'm like "oh man, I really like Jim". This is not sounding as much of a compliment as I meant it to be, but hopefully you all know that I'm basically just saying Jim isn't on as much as I'd like cause I think he's pretty cool.

[@emmahicks6588]

Jim and mat. The fuckin Chad team. Love u guys so much. U have helped me grow so much! Please never stop what u are doing

[@shanewilson7994]

Keato, while I do agree that the court shouldn't be saying what is and isn't science, ID isn't science. It doesn't meet the level of a hypothesis.

[@EPgeek]

Both plaintiffs and defendants in the Dove v Kitzmiller case asked the judge to rule on whether ID is science.

[@johnharding7318]

Why do you feel a court is unable to determine if a something being presented as a scientific theory has or has not risen to the level of a scientific theory?

[@marasmusine]

Also Keato, a paperclip is simple and is created. A snowflake is complex but is natural.

[@shanewilson7994]

@@johnharding7318 because judges aren’t necessarily unbiased. And don’t necessarily understand science.

[@johnharding7318]

@shanewilson7994 The judge in the Kitzmiller v. Dover case was John E. Jones III a republiican appointed by George W. Bush and openly a member of the Lutheran church. Saying he was biased against science seems like the sort of comment a lying Christian would make. Not only are the court transcripts widely publicised, there is also an obvious reason that the hugely dishonest openly dishonest Christians failed to appeal the verdict. So rather than attempting to throw shade on the character of the judge, who clearly avoided making a decision based on his nonsensical Christian beliefs but rather decided on the evidence provided. Would you care to answer the question that was asked?

[@ThePixel1983]

Best case coalition for us in Germany here: SPD (center-left), CDU (center-right) plus the Greens. Which means that our next chancellor would be Mr. Burnes... 😭

[@broadcastbard]

I understand needing to have ads, but EVERY 3 MINUTES?! How can I follow a discussion that's getting constantly interrupted by cat litter and truck ads?

[@ericdentry9236]

Keato is a total troll

[@ottonormalverbrauch3794]

If Keato is a representable result of the US education system eligibility to improvement, I couldn't agree more.

[@gornser]

They worked hard for decades to make it worse

[@Never-mind1960]

When Amir claims that there was nothing, before there was something, then claims there was a god, he has already shot himself in the foot; for a god is not nothing. Fun fact: An eternal god is an infinite regress. Therefore if an infinite regress is not possible, then neither is an eternal god.

[@steveyuhas9278]

2:39:08 Thank you Jim for kinda putting your foot down there. I think that's how you have to be with Matt sometimes. And you made a good example out of a really dumb caller with a tired old. I learned something new and useful where if Matt had just hung up it WOULD have been a waste.

[@bunnybismuth]

Libertarianism: Not Even Once

[@IRGeamer]

Anyone who ever said "you should try everything once", never actually met an an-cap.

[@gerrye114]

The most idiotic thing about libertarians like Dominic is the belief that everyone is on the same power level. Dominic can not have a voluntary agreement with the Virginia coal mine owner when the owner owns the house you live in, the money in your pocket, ect

[@robertbobby400]

Oh Matt, threatening to hang up on Keato is pointless, since he's already on hold with 2 of his other "characters".

[@TypographyGuru]

This typical response to the Complexity argument isn’t ideal. It’s not about simple or complex. The real question is: Can complexity ONLY arise from deliberate design or are there potential natural mechanisms (like natural selection acting on a reproductive cycle). That’s what the theist would need to rule out in order to conclude design just based on complexity. That’s the real issue. The complexity is there. Now what are the potential and demonstrable explanations. Otherwise it’s like saying the butler did it, because a person is really dead.

[@zbot321]

I have to disagree, Matt. I think people knew what Trump was about. They liked that he was mean and racist. They thought they were gonna be safe because they were on his team. Now they are finding out. I, personally, am glad. I hope they all get their comeuppance. They aren't stupid, dumb or ill informed. The majority are just plain ole mean.

[@carlosdeferrer3585]

Seems the hosts are misrepresenting Anarchism, in some forms there can be benefits( see spanish civil war Social Anarchism) Its not always so clearly cut as Jim and Matt blanket statements on the movement.

[@bobstreet8840]

Whenever I feel down I think 'at least I'm not American '

[@bootskanchelsis3337]

I am .... .... and I wake up and vomit every morning now due to the stress. .

[@bobstreet8840]

@bootskanchelsis3337 you have my sympathy.,....just luck to be born somewhere else

[@tallgirl195]

True, although unfortunately it appears no one, not even Greenland, is safe from Trump heh

[@shaneoid361]

They are all in their own little world, even from the UK I try and help them, but they're all so arrogant, especially that Dillahunty, they just don't want to know.

[@trafficjon400]

@@shaneoid361 Matt dilahunty looses it Arrogently often!! but he knows the Bible more than 95% of Christians who only cherry pick thinking they know it all. this is why he gets so freaking pissed off. maybe if he tried another root in calls with so called evidence. pretty f - - ked up hang ups indeed and I will loose my patients with it as well gets frustrating for every one probably.

[@medalion1390]

Matt: "If we have the Westbro Baptist Church with their interpretation, and Bishop Mariann Budde with _her_ interpretation, how can we tell who's right?" Ashe: "Well, this doctor guy I heard about has his interpretation..."

[@shanewilson7994]

David, as a former Christian I so wanted god to reveal himself to me during my deconstruction. And even to this day, if a god exists, its something I'd love to know. But so far it appears your claim isn't true.

[@Beroean30]

President cant adjourn Congress. Only Congress can only adjourn itself

[@PK_1024]

Hey Dominic, how will you protect yourself against a gang of robbers robbing everyone in broad daylight? You come together and fund defence, that's the government. By virtue of its style even people who don't agree that they should be protected are being illogical but are still getting protected because of that defense. That's why you get to vote on policies and decide what rights should be protected so that even people who are illogical can pay based on consensus. And also if you're marginalized and are not able to buy food shelter, etc etc how will you live? You'll die, how will you protect yourself then?

[@TheHutRestaurant]

It's weird that there's so many people who were born and raised in this country who have ZERO understanding or regard for what it stands for. Strike weird - it's actually frightening.

[@loki2240]

It doesn't stand for anything in particular. It's made up of over 300M people with various opinions, goals, etc. That's what many Americans have failed to understand. We're not "safe" because of culture, tradition, or even law. There isn't a collective "We" who are decent people, interested in the common good, supportive of "freedom, democracy, etc." Just as more oppressive forms and implementations of government have appealed to some people in other countries now and to people in past generations - more oppressive government appeals to some Americans now. Just as some entities have seized power in other countries and in our our own in the past, some entities want to do it now and some entities have. A lot of Americans have been way too comfortable and have even expected things to automatically get better over time. But that's not how the world works - we have to make things better and we have to counter the forces (including natural forces) that would make things worse. "Oh, really bad things can't happen here" is no protection, and really bad things have already happened here (jen-o-syde, slavery, a century of racial terrorism after the Civil War, forced sterilization of low income people - including white people - for decades in the 20th century, taking Native American children from their families and forcing them into abusive residential schools in other states, Japanese Americans forced into internment camps with their property seized and auctioned off to white people, separating Hispanic children from their families at the southern border - including lawful asylum seekers - and not even bothering to keep track of them, the US. government selling drugs to black Americans to fund military operations in South America, putting low income black and brown people in a police state in urban areas, etc.).

[@TheHutRestaurant]

@@loki2240 yes, the government has done shitty things - that doesn't mean it's supposed to. It's supposed to be of the people, for the people, and by the people. The fact that the words "rich" and "white" got shoved in there doesn't negate the fact that the original premise was if not good, then better than most, if not all of the other governments on the planet. I see your point, though. The question then becomes what can be done now to change this horrible course we're on. It seems like we're probably doomed, and worse than that, we probably deserve to be. I thank my younger self everyday for deciding to not have children. If I had children and grandchildren right now, I'd be f**king mortified.

[@loki2240]

@@TheHutRestaurant - Again, conceptions of what the government is and isn't supposed to do don't actually protect us from what the government has done or will do. It ultimately comes down to power and keeping it out of the hands of foul people. Many on the right have a better understanding of that, and that's why they've been so committed to amassing power (even despite their conflicting interests and goals). But they don't understand that they won't be safe either from various RW factions or from infighting within their own faction(s). When your identity is based upon opposing "others," you'll likely invent "others" if you have none (or if you just tire of oppressing "the same old others"). Also, no one can be pure enough for zealots/ extremists.

[@hailsagan8886]

Nothing by definition, can not exist. Otherwise it becomes something

[@captainzappbrannagan]

Canada does not have a far right party. The PC's here are closer to your DEMS than Repubs. Alberta does have some average mercan adjacent people though rhymes with shmedneck. PC party here says personal choices are nothing to do with the government. Our PC's gave us universal health care.

[@ricku9487]

Well we do, it's just not an official party. The PPC would be our far right party and they are insufferable.

[@captainzappbrannagan]

@@ricku9487 Did they want to ban abortion, free insurrectionists, pull out of the who, appoint conspiracy nutters as cheifs of staff? I agree this non party is a joke but still not near the liar level repubs are.

[@BoneySkylord]

Hey Keato…. do you think the Large Hadron Collider (the largest and most complex machine ever built) is more complex than it needs to be? 🤷‍♂️

[@spankitt1]

Keato is a troll who trolls while trolling!

[@chuckgaydos5387]

New definition for Faith: Someone who worships the fourth note of the musical scale.

[@1weirddoe571]

How about one night for The Line... Matt vs AI?

[@jonnowds]

Maybe Dominic will understand more when he’s, idk, fifteen years old 🤦‍♂️🤷

[@sergehychko3659]

Keato is racing Jackie (or whatever that Shapiro/Peterson wanna-be kid's name was) for the call-atheist-show addiction award. He'll be calling the Z-list shows within a month.

[@gerardmcbryde3156]

Nice to Jim on with Matt I was wondering if they had fallen out of friendship

[@ckreddy]

2:39:07 Matt's assessment ✅️ 2:54:02 Much valuable education 3:06:05 Amazing articulation Matt

[@emmahicks6588]

Donald Trump wishes that he had hair like Jim barrows. I want to see more of Jim on this channel

[@Rack65]

Run run run Matt for office

[@iamBlackGambit]

jim was about to say energy is eternal lol just say it jim, if energy cannot be created or destroyed, then that means its eternal!!

[@mungfam]

Carter would be an example of atypical background getting into politics.

[@Never-mind1960]

Even if we had HD video of Jeebus' magical mystery tour, the most likely explanation would be an ancient illusionist/ con-man. The entire absurd narrative is something you would expect from a Tobe Hooper movie, not a divine super-being.

[@impala359]

Does the line have a discord?

[@nacasius]

No Mr Maga officer there is no DEI hire hiding in my attic

[@marjabeverwijk5630]

(certainly not what I would want to promote, but) “DEI diary” does sounds pretty good.

[@bewing77]

What real anarchists understand, unlike so called anarcho-capitalists like Dominic is that while government power is a power hierarchy that can be used oppressively it isn't the only on. Capitalism and money is a much more important power hierarchy on our society and if you want to ensure freedom, you have to come up with a model that protects people from exploitation through that hierarchy as well. His model ultimately leads to feudalism, which in every way is a less free system than representative democracy.

[@GodlessHeathen91]

I like Jim on this channel 🤫

[@Amunephtra]

Why giving Keato a stage every time? Why is he not banned at this time? This dude is as intelligent as a brick.

[@Britishhick]

I "looked for god" for over 20 years. No, not the Christian god, I looked for *many* gods, I looked for *any* gods, I looked for various flavors of god, hoping at least *ONE* would step up, present itself in an undeniable way, and make me believe. It simply never happened, despite begging, pleading, practicing rituals, praying, etc. There's only one religion that ever resonated with me, it's a pagan belief system, and while I had a few warm fuzzies from it, I couldn't justify to myself belief in it based on that (let alone justify to anyone else). No matter how badly I wanted it, and I was freaking *desperate* for it, I just couldn't. I still have good feelings for it, I still like the mythology and symbolism, and it still holds my interest, but my want and hope doesn't make it real.

[@MasterYandle]

I'm neuro-divergent. 22:42 Rug sweeping is rug sweeping is rug sweeping.

[@herbieshine1312]

Matt confirms the existence of Pixies 2:57.45 ish. Well, he obviously didn't, but im going to choose to believe he did as I've liked the idea of Pixies since I was a kid. Woohoo! Matt believes in Pixies 🎉🎉

[@matthewthomas4620]

The psch student caller had an interesting question but I think the even more interesting question is should god/religion be used as a disqualifying factor when considering a mental diagnosis. I haven't read the latest DSM but I know in previous versions if you were diagnosing certain conditions, like hallucinations IIRC, if the patient claimed the were hearing god they would not qualify for the diagnosis same with if they had religious reasons for self harming behavior IIRC. I would argue that wither certain thoughts or behaviors are problematic or abnormal is irrespective of religion. Wither your reason is popular or not doesn't factor in to it. But it is a very interesting question especially when you get down to much more minor 'problems' where someone is being held back by religious dogma. Is it fair game for a therapist to suggest that maybe that dogma isn't rational?

[@HypatiaK]

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