Winchester Model 64

[@rickt1154]

For an old man, you handle those open sites extremely well. That's coming from a fellow old man.

[@codyb.7690]

When my 2 year old grandson comes over he climbs up on my lap and says Cinnabar . We have seen all of your videos so you know who is getting my lever actions. thank you and please keep them coming .

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks for your comment, Cody! It's probably the most satisfying comment I've received. A big part of the reason I started this channel was to reach a younger generation of gun enthusiasts. Never dreamed of reaching them that young though. What's your grandson's name?

[@codyb.7690]

@@thecinnabar8442 Greyson , Port Huron Michigan

[@pennsyltuckyden9823]

Beautiful shot of those bucks on that hill.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks. I was glad that shot turned out. I was worried they were too far away.

[@Larry-tl6vw]

Great video…!!!! I’m a lucky guy who has a Model 64 30-30…..love shooting it..!!! Dates back to the early 30’s

[@michaelguerin56]

Thank you. Nice video and some great info.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jeffryrichardson9105]

Beautiful day to go shooting!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸

[@thecinnabar8442]

Yes sir! Thanks for watching Jeffry

[@wesleysmith5580]

There is no better sound in the world than a Winchester echoing in the winter mountain's. If I wasn't in this wheelchair my time would be spent in the Great Divide for another hunting season !!! God Bless 🙌

[@crazyhorseaz5224]

MAY GOD BLESS,, I DON'T GET OUT ANYMORE,, NO HOW YOU FEEL.

[@mikemccollum4521]

Thank you. I enjoyed it very much

[@thecinnabar8442]

You're very welcome, Mike!

[@oper12m]

Love the shot report coming off the hills, Beautiful!

[@thecinnabar8442]

I don't notice it when I'm concentrating on shooting, but it sure shows up in the video.

[@lennemoy1971]

Thank you! I use my wife’s great grandfather’s model 64 in 32 special. It is a “deluxe” and I just love it. Still use it till this day hunting deer in PA.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Great to hear you're still using it.

[@Forrestwhittle]

Where are you able to find ammo for that? I have my great grandfathers and have a box of reloaded shells and that’s it.

[@lennemoy1971]

@@Forrestwhittle I also reload, however, I have seen Buffalo bore makes some. Good stuff and better than the factory stuff from the big box ammo companies. It’s out there. Just have to keep your eyes open.

[@timlennon4571]

I tell you what, I told my wife yesterday that you are living my idea of an American dream. Cattle ranch in a beautiful part of the country, working on beautiful classic firearms and enjoying it. One day I would love to visit that part of the country. I'm quite literally on opposite side in NC but I'll visit one day.

[@thecinnabar8442]

I hope you make it out to visit someday, Tim.

[@MEL-np2xl]

Beauties! Thanks for sharing!

[@thecinnabar8442]

You're very welcome, Mel!

[@sonnygunz9207]

.219 Zipper is a really cool cartridge. Came across a marlin lever action chambered in it some time back. Beautiful 64’s. Thanks to you and your father Inlaw.

[@thecinnabar8442]

To be honest, that's the first time I've shot that Zipper and I fell in love with it. Ammo's a bit of a problem though. Now, I have to decide if I want to get set up to reload for another caliber.🙄

[@sonnygunz9207]

@@thecinnabar8442 I say go ahead and roll your own. You only live once!

[@banjowoodsman7675]

Mark, what a display of fine shooting rifles. Beautiful day and backdrop of the ranch behind you. Thank you

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks a bunch!

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

Outstanding and what a nice group of Winchesters your father in law has.

[@larryeddings3185]

That is a beautiful collection of vintage Winchester Model 64 rifles, and some good off hand shooting!

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Larry! I don't believe I'd ever shot any of those rifles before, so it turned out to be a very enjoyable day. Thanks for watching.

[@georgiaboy4410]

Thanks for showing that great collection👍🏻

[@hinanobubbie5257]

Thank you for sharing and showing all those Model 64's. My first encounter with a Winchester 64 was many decades ago during a hunting trip on Kauai, Hawaii. It was my friend's father's rifle, His dad had purchased it new after graduating from high school. It has been in their family since and considers the Dad's Winchester 64 a lucky rifle as whomever was using it usually shot game with it. I was able to find one for myself several years later. I think it's a beautiful lever rifle.

[@thecinnabar8442]

They're a wonderful rifle. I hope the opportunity comes along for you to find one someday. Thanks for watching!

[@hinanobubbie5257]

I did find one in 30-30 Winchester it's a accurate rifle. I did know they made a .32 Winchester Special, .219 Zipper and 30-30 Winchester. Didn't know about the 25-30 Winchester.

[@hart64ghs]

A friend had a 1885 Hi-wall Winchester that had been rebarreled to 219 Zipper, performed quite well. Thanks for the mid-winter respite Mark, good shooting and beautiful rifles!

[@thecinnabar8442]

The 219 Zipper didn't come out until after the 1885 went out of production, but I've seen several converted to Zipper. Makes a great combination.

[@crazyhorseaz5224]

THANKS A BUNCH, LOVE WINCHESTER,, HAVE A COUPLE OLD ONES &STILL USE.

[@RustySprocket]

Love the 64! Wish I'd bought one before they went crazy!

[@thecinnabar8442]

There are still deals out there on "shooter" grades, but the 64's in nice condition are definitely demanding premiums.

[@RustySprocket]

@@thecinnabar8442 I've got a few on my "watchlist", but it seems they're on everyone else's as well! 😁

[@Leverguns50]

That 219 zipper was sure a hoot to watch, 64s are such nice looking lever actions, probably the best of the 94s

[@thecinnabar8442]

I agree, Jeremy. They're a fantastic rifle.

[@kencurtis508]

Great video, have not seen those before, very interesting, thanks for sharing.

[@du43ranger]

Loved your video and your enthusiasm absolutely fantastic

[@chrischiampo7647]

Really Nice Collection Your Father In Law Has Mark 🔥🔥🔥😀 That History Of The Model 64 Is Really Cool 👍🏼 That’s Some Beautiful Land Out There at The Cinnabar 😇😇😇 Stay Warm

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Chris!

[@3ducs]

8 degrees, going to zero later, windy. A cold winter here in New Hampshire. I like those half magazine rifles, very quick handling.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Seems like if we're having good weather out West, you folks are having nasty weather in the East.

[@RickNethery]

Good shooting, beautiful rifles and background too.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Rick!

[@RickNethery]

@@thecinnabar8442 You're welcome sir

[@Shot_Gunner]

My favorite KZbin channel by far! Glad to see you out making another awesome video. 👍🏼🤠

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks a bunch! I appreciate your support

[@joelowery6919]

Really liked this vid Mark! The 64 is the best looking of the '94 variations to me. Hope you keep good weather.😊

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Joe!

[@easttexan2933]

What treasures they are !! Gorgeous rifles and very accurate I might add. Thanks for sharing.

[@WasatchGarandMan]

Yes! Was hoping youd upload again soon! Cant get enough of your videos Mark, you have totally reignited the love for Lever Actions that Id been lacking. I picked up a pretty beat up Model 64 a while back. Probably payed more then I should have but I like it alot. Never heard of .219 Zipper, sounds like a cool round. Mark you are very well educated on Lever rifles and I was wondering if you could answer a question for me. Recently picked up a Marlin 1893 SRC to go along with my Winchesters and it got me thinking, did Old Timers think of Winchesters vs Marlins like we think of ARs vs AKs today? I feel like its a similar situation

[@thecinnabar8442]

So good to hear you're collecting and enjoying lever guns! I've never read any accounts of rival brand loyalty among the old-timers, but I'm sure they had their preferences. I think times were a lot tougher then and they typically didn't always have the choices we have today. I imagine they often used what firearms that opportunity brought their way. Thanks for watching.

[@richardboquist1531]

Great video. Really look forward to these. Thank you.

[@thecinnabar8442]

You're very welcome, Richard!

[@titanbluestreak8709]

Nice shootin' there Mark! Fun to see the old cartridges take the jugs apart. Plenty of power there for mid sized big game. Good looking collection.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Mark!

[@jamesweaver9636]

What a beautiful group of rifles. You’re a great shot as well! Thanks for sharing those rare rifles.

[@thecinnabar8442]

You're very welcome, James!

[@drifterplinskin4462]

Mark, great video on the Model 64 very nice collection. I did buy a Model 64 up here in The Dalles at the only decent gun shop in town. Mine is a Deer Rifle with factory sling swivels, Pachmayer butt pad, and Redfield Peep Sight. Real nice rifle, just waiting for time to go and shot. Keep up the great videos.

[@brianlong2079]

Good video. Love the country there.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Brian!

[@jeffreygraf3358]

Always informative and fun to watch. Thanks!

[@kevingay5666]

Great video Mark, them are nice Winchester’s.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Kevin!

[@bullseyedixon5660]

THANK YOU SIR FOR A GREAT RIDE

[@moreyhammers7232]

Thank you, great video!

[@henrysara7716]

Thank you, great clip

[@thecinnabar8442]

You're very welcome, Henry!

[@jims9249]

Very nice!

[@jimfrieze525]

Great job Mark. Love the content. Always look forward to an educational video on those winchesters.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks ol' buddy!

[@heerkrupp64]

I have always wanted a 64 Model, I remember a John Wooters story, Texas Deer Camps in the old days, a fellow in the Camp had one. Palmer Peg Melton his name was, he was the best shot in Camp, he would take his Deer any which way they came into range, I will get one one day, but here in My Country it's just about impossible to get a early one. Great Video by the way.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Harry! Good luck on the hunt for that model 64

[@williamkaiser8067]

I have a model 94, but it's a newer one, 1980-1985? The reason I got it was because it's chambered in an oddball .356 Winchester, they made a few thousand of them. I seem to like the unusual calibers, so I am appreciative of the .25-35, .219 Zipper and others. But using full-house factory loads is not something I do. A) They're hard to find. B) they're hard to afford. C)They kick like the well-known Missouri mule! Lightness is NOT always our friend. Will you ever do a video on the .307, the .356 and the .375 Winchesters?

[@thecinnabar8442]

I've got nothing against the newer 1894's in those calibers, but I don't have any of them to do a video with.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Like the model 64 a lot. But being a Marlin aficionado I just love the first run of 336A. I have a 1951 waffle top that shoot lights out all day long. Thanks for another good video. Keep your eyes open for those bucks sheds.. any day now!🙂 Take care

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Guapo! The antelope shed in our alfalfa fields in the fall and I haven't had a chance to go shed hunting. I must get to that. Need to add to my pile of antelope sheds.😉

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@thecinnabar8442 cool. Haven’t lived where or found an antelope shed in years. Mulies should be coming off now. Neighbor found a fresh Blacktail shed last week. Thanks for all the great content

[@wilberfifer5563]

Thank you very much.

[@urigarcia9126]

Gran vídeo, disfrute conocer el modelo 64

[@marylandsportsman4114]

Picked up my first lever gun last week. Found a 30/30 model 64 in the deluxe grade. A few minor scratches but mostly in near perfect condition. Looking forward to taking a whitetail next fall.

[@HereIsMyStuff35]

Have you ever thought about a gunsmithing video on that old winchester found out in the desert as i understand it may have had a mechcanical issue something with the feeding?boy that was a interesting story! There is a real good western novel in that old 44-40 for sure!

[@thecinnabar8442]

I saw that rifle at the Cody Firearms Museum. While I'm friends with the folks at the museum, I don't think they'll let me tear into that one. 😉 The story of that rifle really got a lot of attention. There are a surprising number of firearms found in similar situations. A customer was just telling me about a rifle that had been found by a family member leaning against a tree and the tree grew around it. He cut it out and made a lamp out of it. I'd really like to see that one someday.

[@errolpoxleitner7901]

Beautiful from Idaho

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks Errol!

[@thealsatian4232]

I have two of these in the safe, both .30-30 but they handle better than any other rifle I own.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Fantastic rifles, for sure.

[@endutubecensorship]

In sure others will agree, you are *living the dream*

[@thecinnabar8442]

Thanks a bunch! We'll keep an eye out for old Wile E 😀

[@endutubecensorship]

@@thecinnabar8442 Wile E. Coyote, easily the most favorite cartoons for me and my Dad to watch when I was a kid. If you see an ACME delivery truck he's planning something 😆

[@49walker44]

Had to chase you down this week. Never got excited about the 64, look nice but never got involved with onr yet. The only one I want is a 25-35ûoo.

[@thecinnabar8442]

I really like that caliber too.

[@randyphillips559]

64s are definitely the best handling of the Winchester line INHO. I have a minty .32 but WOW what I wouldn't give for a 38-55 M-64! I hunt with a Sav 99 in 38-55 which feels & handles much the same as the 64.

[@thecinnabar8442]

I've been searching for a model 64 in 38-55 for years and have only found a couple. I'm pretty sure they were both fakes though.

[@randyphillips559]

@@thecinnabar8442 I would think it would be hard to fake with both 38-55 & M-64 stamped on the barrel!!

[@markaugustus621]

I have a late 30s 64 in 32. Makes a great woods rifle for the Adirondacks. Thanks

[@thecinnabar8442]

The prewar models are more sought after by collectors. During the Depression, only the best long term employees were working at the Winchester factory. The craftsmanship shows in the guns from the 30s.

[@SlickSixguns]

It’s interesting to know that Winchester still put out more lever guns after the 1895

[@thecinnabar8442]

Yes, the later models aren't very well known by many collectors. The models 53, 55, 64, 65 and 71 were all variations based on the existing 1892, 1894 and 1886 models. The 1895 was the last unique Winchester lever action design until much later when the model 88 was introduced.

[@flintrichards945]

Thanks for the model 64 video very interesting rifles from a period in time were quality was important and Winchester was building it into there rifles and shotguns. I would love to find a .25-35 model 64.

[@thecinnabar8442]

That's a great rifle/caliber combination. Good luck on your search for one!

[@TimberTramp]

I always wanted to build up a .219 zipper, a friend owns 2 of them I’d love to get one!

[@thecinnabar8442]

Well, he's just being greedy. Remind him that can only shoot one at a time.😉

[@TimberTramp]

20” 25-35 would suit me just fine!

[@thecinnabar8442]

Dandy combination!

[@williamray3101]

Got a 1894 25-35. Made 1905. And a 30-30. Made 1907.both 26" octagon barrels. Nothing like em.😊

[@bigtrev761]

Hey big fella I notice the focus nowadays is buy the ammo cheap and stack it deep and what I sometimes wonder is how much ammo those ole timers put away all those years ago ? Also was it readily available ? I’d probably guess that people back then had different needs and also different threats compared to today.... 🇦🇺... good video 👍

[@thecinnabar8442]

I suspect in rural areas like where I live, the old-timers stockpiled quite a bit of ammo and/or reloading components and tools, especially if they used a firearm with an unusual caliber. Rural country stores couldn't have stocked ammo for all the different calibers of the time. Thanks for watching and commenting Trev.

[@matthewcarter6585]

Makes me like my 25-35 carbine even more

[@thecinnabar8442]

Fantastic and rare combination!

[@bretrobinson4897]

I realize it’s not the same but I just bought a mode 65 218 bee. It’s got a side mount scope on it. I’m planning on removing it. I might need to figure out how to match the patina with the area behind the side mount scope. Also I’m planning on working up some great little varmint gun!

[@thecinnabar8442]

Good luck with your project. There's quite an art to matching finishes. I plan to do an episode on the model 65 in the near future.

[@bretrobinson4897]

@@thecinnabar8442 I am currently watching your patina matching vidya on the 1886 mag tube. I understand your desire to not promote disingenuous people. There is , like in your 1886 case a rational reason to learn finish matching. I need a bolt peep for this one and to get some machine screws to fill in the side scope mount in this receiver.

[@bretrobinson4897]

@@thecinnabar8442 I assume Winchester continued model 92 serials on the model 65’s since mine is 10006401, or thereabouts.

[@thecinnabar8442]

@@bretrobinson4897 Yes, Winchester started comingling serial numbers withe 1892's during the run of model 53's and continued throughout the production of model 65's.

[@EricDaMAJ]

Beautiful rifles. I will always love and endorse tactical and even tacticool plastic rifles. But as I get older I enjoy old school lever guns and single action revolvers more. _“Weapons for a more civilized age…”_

[@thecinnabar8442]

My tastes have changed from the latest new product when I was younger to the classics as I've gotten older as well. Glad to have you among the admirers of the classics. BTW, I still have a few tactical weapons as well. Never hurts to be prepared for the worst.

[@richardhutchinson4016]

Thanks for another cool video. You make this colt guy want to start collecting winchesters….How about a video on “under-rated” winchesters for us non Winchester guys?

[@thecinnabar8442]

Hmm, that's an interesting topic. I'll have to chew on that one a while and see what I can come up with. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@kenedmisten7995]

Seems like one of the ones you shot held 4 in the magazine and most of the rest held 5. Do they all hold 5? I used one for steel targets and it only held 4. It was from Wyo. It may have had a plug in it's magazine.

[@jonhaynes1577]

Thanks for the info on the mod. 64 I know very little about them. I am looking forward to your video on the semi-auto in 351 Winchester I'm sorry I don't know the model number

[@thecinnabar8442]

That's a 1907 and I really like them. I'm planning an episode on the whole family of early Winchester semi-autos but haven't been able to come up with .401 ammo for the Model 1910. Keep an eye out for it.

[@guaporeturns9472]

I have a question , was the cinnabar mined on your property for mercury , pigment , both of something else? Thanks

[@thecinnabar8442]

The cinnabar mining was done to extract mercury and was most active during the depression when farming and ranching was barely sustainable, and mercury still had a fair amount of value.

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@thecinnabar8442 cool , thanks

[@NoGoBu]

People, remember Winchester was a store clerk sellings shirts, Remington, however, was a designer of firearms 😎

[@thecinnabar8442]

Actually, Oliver Winchester was a wealthy investor who made his fortune in the garment business before buying into firearms designers Smith and Wesson's failing New Haven Arms Company. Winchester's designers were Benjamin Tyler Henry, William Mason and John Browning. It was Browning who designed the prototypes for the model 64's in this video. Eliphalet Remington, founder of E. Remington & Sons was actually a blacksmith who didn't design or build guns himself. One of his young sons built a flintlock in his shop that was well received, and the rest is history. The elder Remington was a good enough businessman to see the potential in producing firearms, so he started the company. Now, John Marlin and Samuel Colt were talented firearms designers who were also talented businessmen and firearms company founders.

[@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul]

Remington came from Suffield, Ct. He walked to Ilion, NY in 1813. The rest is history.

[@johncerny4700]

I’m dealing with 1935 64 carbine with a loose butt stock. Tang screw is in as tight as I can get it and I think it was bottoming out in the lower tang stud. Shortened the screw 1/16, re tightened hard but the stock still has a little play when pressure is on it. Inletting is perfect, no gaps. Thought about some shim material under the upper tang. Thread perhaps. Think the wood shrunk some in 88 years I’m guessing. Any readers with suggestions? Thanks Mark for this interesting and informative channel.

[@danielnegen955]

Bring it to a professional gunsmith and have a lite coat of bedding placed under the tang. Some of the old ones have wood that shrinks with age (as you surmised) or, heaven forbid, the wood is deteriorating due to oil or dry rot. IMHO don't shoot it until it's tightened up, you don't want to deal with a cracked stock in that area.

[@endutubecensorship]

Hello Mark, would there be enough info to make a video regarding "US Repeating Arms" Winchesters?

[@thecinnabar8442]

There's plenty of information out there, I just don't have any to shoot.

[@endutubecensorship]

@@thecinnabar8442 Understood, thanks for the reply!

[@HereIsMyStuff35]

Hi just wanted to thank you again for the advice you gave me on my rossi 92 that only held 8 rounds in the magazine tube i got the nerve to take it apart ha! and found of all things a wooden shotgun plug??? that only let 8 rounds fit for the life of me i dont know why because it feeds perfectly now with 10 rounds in the tube.any ideas? thanks again

[@thecinnabar8442]

How odd! I can't imagine why anyone would want to put a plug in a lever action magazine. Glad you found it and it was an easy fix.

[@chrislang5659]

Cowboy assault rifles. Very cool sir. That deserves a sub!

[@thecinnabar8442]

Welcome aboard, Chris!

[@chrislang5659]

@@thecinnabar8442 my pleasure!

[@scottjosen2606]

First watched you on this video. I've a 64 'Deluxe' gifted to me in the 80's by the mother of her deceased, former lieutenant governor - his gun. She was moving out of the family home into a more manageable scenario. Thanks for this posting but also for most recent about the gun law changes you guys in Oregon are being burdened with. Pray for our nation, it's looking pretty bad obviously.

[@endutubecensorship]

Hello Mark, love seeing these ol girls come out and play. Being a Winchester man do you have a Winchester M1 Garand?

[@thecinnabar8442]

Yea, there's one in the back of a safe here somewhere. I'll have to get it out for an episode one of these days.

[@endutubecensorship]

@@thecinnabar8442 That would be great! All of us in the comments section really enjoy your video style, and a video on a Winchester M1 would be a real treat!

[@jeramyw]

Can someone point me to a front sight hood? Weren't they the same as 94s? Recently snagged a 24" standard 30-30 from 53 or 54. Excellent condition. It has a fatter forend than the ones displayed here. Feels great.

[@thecinnabar8442]

Try Homestead Parts or EBAY for the sight hood. They are the same as the 94s.

[@guaporeturns9472]

Maybe Numerich gun parts?

[@asherdog9248]

I have always read that once a 32 Winchester barrel starts to wear it become badly inaccurate. I have also read that this isn't so that the original factor bullets were undersized? What is the truth of the matter?

[@kellyhartman5565]

Is the 30-30 stamped 30z30 or 30 wcf

[@thecinnabar8442]

30WCF. Bert Hartman's article in The Winchester Collector even has the date when the stamp was changed to 30-30.

[@kellyhartman5565]

@@thecinnabar8442 Thanks really enjoy your videos great info.

[@jaysynness6515]

Great guns and great weather! Cold winter here in Mt . Makes me wanna jump a plane to the Wagontire Int Airport , and book a room at Bakeoven Convention Center and spend a few days in yur lovely country . Keep up the fine work Mark and Thank You !

[@neallee103]

Got a 92 25 20 full length round barrel and a 93 marlin 32 40 octagon half length mag. For sale

[@thecinnabar8442]

I may have an interest if the condition and price are right. If you'd like, send pics and descriptions to [e-mail]

[@neallee103]

@@thecinnabar8442 will do in the next day or so.

[@TimberTramp]

It ain’t nice dead east in ideeho!