Windows 7 vs. XP on Pentium 3 Tualatin - RETRO Hardware

[@RaPtOr9600]

That case is amazing, hydraulic arm in a case and side panel as radiator. Great vid as usual.

[@BengaliManfromWB]

I owned only a P III system upto 2011.

[@ОлегКолеснев]

Отлично! Всегда приятно посмотреть ваши видео.

[@mtdenardin7604]

Cool! I always wondered how would dual p3s handle YT

[@harryshuman9637]

How far away did you wander?

[@guest1132]

It would be better if the videocard was some AGP Radeon Hd 4XXX. These cards have some video decoding capabilities.

[@mtdenardin7604]

@@harryshuman9637 to your mother's house :D

[@harryshuman9637]

@@mtdenardin7604 Welp, it took you almost a year to fix that type. Better late than never I guess.

[@mtdenardin7604]

@@harryshuman9637yes thanks

[@Cpt_Wolf]

Omg, omg new video from Retro Hardware :D!

[@talvisota327]

i think if you had a video card with hardware acceleration (radeon hd cards for agp), browsing would be a lot smoother and youtube videos might be playable. my athlon xp 3200+ with hd3850 agp can play youtube in 720p with only minor lags.

[@dabombinablemi6188]

Late AGP cards are extremely sort after though, making them difficult to find and expensive. I'd have bought one for my own dual PIII (Coppermine) desktop. It does surprisingly well regardless though, being far more responsive under XP than a laptop with a Pentium 4 HT 3.2GHz and DDR 333 (both with 2GB RAM).

[@talvisota327]

@@dabombinablemi6188 im sure he has some radeon hd cards for agp since he made a comparison video with them a while ago

[@yukisaitou5004]

If his motherboard is anything like my SuperMicro dual Tualatin board then it only supports native AGP cards, e.g. the Nvidia 6800 and Radeon X850 are the newest cards you can use, neither of which will help with KZbin. My single socket Tualatin board on the other hand will POST with a HD3850 installed but the only drivers that I could get working on Win 7 were the ones Windows update provided and the performance was terrible.

[@talvisota327]

@@yukisaitou5004 did you use the agp hotfix drivers from amd / ati? the normal ones wont install because the agp cards have different hardware IDs compared to the pci-e versions

[@yukisaitou5004]

@@talvisota327 I'm fairly sure I did, I used the same driver CD I'd prepared to install the card in a newer AGP 8x system which worked fine on Windows 7.

[@titotech]

you should test youtube with the best nvidia AGP card you have and the latest driver for it in windows 7.

[@RickBaconsAdventures]

nvidiot geee teee ehckssss

[@NickEter]

Holy crap, that pc is cool! Not only because it's dual pentium 3, the exterior screams "ULTIMATE RETRO PC"

[@fringe5174]

SDRAM 512mb - legend Nice work

[@Ajrocket]

Opravdu pekne video, ja mam nainstalovany Windows 7 Light na Pentiu 4 na socketu 478 a 2x1 GB DDR1, mam to jako PC na cteni disket a na delani podobnych retro blbosti, funguje celkem dobre. Dokonce Aero na tom funguje :D

Moc hezká sestava a zajímavý test... GJ!

[@metaleater9]

@14:50 That disgusting mess in your water loop is what happens when you run a system with both copper and aluminum without a proper anti-corrosion additive. Old school water cooling PC suffering old school water cooling problems deserves old school solutions, I vouch for Swiftech's HydrX as it's era appropriate, time tested, and still sold. Also that tubing is almost certainly leaching plasticizer, Apparently window cleaning solutions easily wash that crap off surfaces without scrubbing even from the tubes themselves.

[@AmstradExin]

Hey, I still have this motherboard and the 2 P3's still installed. :D

[@teoextreme]

A year ago I've tryed KZbin on dual Pentium 3 (866MHz) motherboard and it runs about the same as here in your video. Exept I made it run better by pausing the video and waiting for it to load up a bit (and I also played it at 360p quality) which made it 'allmost perfectly useable'.

[@ViperBenchmarks]

dual athlon XP next ?

[@Skracken]

I have a dual Athlon MP setup laying around. Never got it to work, win XP installer would just bsod.

[@CorvinhoJubileu]

Oh nos brasileiros por aqui tambem! Salve Salve!

[@alel963]

Deine Videos sind großartig

[@thatLion01]

Beautiful setup, amazing work on these videos. These cpus are still decent even for these days

Tualatin is the best retrô ultimate machine

[@Romerco77]

Not even close. Too fast for DOS, too slow for WinXP, not the most powerful CPU for Win98 either.

[@Romerco77]

@Gaming York Not even close 😅 The Tualatin is a 2001 CPU, there was already Pentiums 4 at 2.0Ghz+, and Athlons XP on the market. Tualatins are just the fastest and latest PIII, which makes them not powerful enough for WinXP, and too powerful for DOS retro gaming. They are great for Win98 gaming though.

[@Romerco77]

@psyopsys Come on!, that might be true, but pointless for this purpose 😅

[@x86Info]

What about Windows XP vs Windows Vista ?

[@gutemberglopes4616]

Legal o seu trabalho , salve do brazil

[@ltux90]

Is a really pretty computer, i love it :3

[@lukasdostal9123]

Parádní video ! 😀

[@magnum333]

Why does CPU-Z show the AGP transfer rate as 2x? Shouldn't it be 4x? 3:54

[@philipmcdonagh1094]

I did the opposite. 2 month old computer removed Win 10. Went for a dual boot Win XP - Win 7. XP took a bit of persuading, Running fine now.

[@徐子翔-c9o]

How about Dual Pentium III Xeon

[@RETROHardware]

Photo gallery for this build: facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=retrohw&set=a.832634927147801

[@Mini-z1994]

If you can get hold of a pci geforce 210 or similar late era low end graphics card, 8400 gs pci or 8300 gs pci, ati hd 5450 pci etc... You should be able too get proper video acceleration on youtube if the cpu can feed enough data too the gpu then, could be an interesting experiment perhaps. But maybe another build can be used for that instead of bringing this out again so early, like socket 462,socket 478 or another pc in storage atm. Think you need too flush the radiator out a few times, like have a bucket of water & pump hooked up too external powersupply & dumping water that goes through the radiator into another bucket once or twice. Along with perhaps some watercooling loop cleaning agent of some sort for modern stuff should work fine for this vintage stuff too.

[@RETROHardware]

Thermaltake Tai Chi

[@menticek]

@@RETROHardware Na kolik tě to vyšlo? How much did it cost you?

[@楊子隆]

Can dual Tualatin processors be overclocked?

[@tunkunrunk]

@@Mini-z1994 his motherboard has an AGP slot, he would better put Nvidia GeForce 6 series graphic cards ( GeForce 6600 AGP ) or GeForce series7 (GeForce 7900 GS AGP ). These graphic cards coupled with Pentium III CPUs give you better web page scrolling

[@ajhieb]

I used to run a nearly identical rig back before I upgraded to a dual Athlon setup. Good times.

[@agenda697]

Front mounted Aquatube lookin good, i may install mine now i have the mount plate.

[@samuraikyokkan]

the video card is not maxed out is it? 8x AGP and 256bit with 1 gb i think was the last spec for AGP? Maybe that would help with youtube/internet. Also maybe linux minimalist OS and a bypass for the ss2 to install modern browsing is possible.

[@kekistanifreedomfighter4197]

the beast is back!

[@HuntersMoon78]

Froggo look like he in the Boggo

[@SantaClaw]

I had almost the exact same setup.. two watercooled pentium 3 - 700 mhz cpu's using aquacomputer parts.

[@angryaquar]

Pekne video tesim se na dalsi :)

[@ND22M]

Using 2 CPUs goes a long way in making Windows 7 usable and keeping the scores up. With only one CPU it would have been unusable and benchmarks results would have been a lot lower.

[@davidsoares9810]

Daqui a uns 25 anos... RETRO Hardware: Run Windows 8.1 vs. 10 on Dual i9 10980XE !!! Salve do Brasil ʘ‿ʘ

[@joaopedroaraujo5034]

Primeiro brasileiro que vejo por aqui, bom saber que não estou sozinho

[@davidsoares9810]

@@joaopedroaraujo5034 BR é que nem o coronga... Tem em todo lugar kkkkkk

@@joaopedroaraujo5034 Não diga hehehe

@@davidsoares9810 e o efeito e o mesmo hahahaha

[@davidsoares9810]

@ kkkk

[@cptcrogge]

Amazing retro system

[@hardwarechronicles9178]

Though it seems like win xp makes better use off the overall of resources and API's How much memory does that mobo max support? Have a nice day :)

[@plainsabertooth7828]

@@gtzgreatride how come? I have a Asus cuv4xd motherboard and maxed it out to 4gb of ram and it works fine.

[@OmegaSlowedAndReverb]

Naprosto úžasné

[@tunkunrunk]

dual Pentium III Tualatin motherboards are still expensive, I don't know why. On eBay, prices go up to $1000

[@talvisota327]

they have become rare and certainly will only get more expensive

[@tunkunrunk]

@@talvisota327 there's no point in making them expensive. they are outdated, they have RAM limitation (4GB maximum on certain models), today's home desktop computers are ten times more powerful. And there's a major issue with these boards, they are aging. produced more than 20 years ago, their components have reached the limit of their lifespan. So, anyone who buys them for daily use, won't be able to use them for more than two years

[@talvisota327]

@@tunkunrunk they are simply collectors items not meant for modern tasks and daily use.

[@tunkunrunk]

@@talvisota327 I had a huge collection of hard-to-find socket 370 motherboards, I even owned one with DDR1 PC2700. they all worked fine, I checked them almost monthly, but all of a sudden they stopped working, I had one that burnt, a combo motherboard, slot1+socket 370 on the same PCB, very hard to find. I wish I hadn't disposed of them all, I would have used them to make retro motherboards videos on youtube, I had that idea in mind before trashing them all, but gave up

[@talvisota327]

@@tunkunrunk very strange that they all died at once. maybe a faulty power supply that killed them? so far most of my old stuff still works quite well and i hope it stays that way for a while...

[@GTFour]

Needs better graphics card?

[@lactobacillusprime]

I prefer to use Windows XP on the Pentium III - seems it's the right choice.

[@楊子隆]

Can dual Tualatin processors be overclocked?

[@JVAmorim]

if have pentium III tualatin, i like ;-)

[@tunkunrunk]

I have 2 or 3 Tualatins 1.4ghz but don't have a motherboard. maybe I should sell them on eBay

[@ilfaraone91]

Can you explain why there was so much dirt in there? Did you use distilled water?

[@RETROHardware]

It was with destilled water of course. Problem was rust on one screw in tank.

[@white_mage]

that radiator is MASSIVE

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Did you ever figure out thw source of that rust? Is it the reservoir itself? The radiator? A bad fitting? It's very bizarre, and concerning.

[@RETROHardware]

Yeah it was metal screw in tank :-) Screw has damage nickel film.

[@Wasmachineman]

I sincerely hope he also used plasticizer-less tubing because that stuff ruins loops.

[@getroll2593]

Athlon MP rules, but with win7 it has more problems with drivers support. So win7 on piii need more fast ram for normaĺworking, i820 chipset is better for this.

[@emanuelesh3006]

hello, how did you put the red bios on?

[@RETROHardware]

It came like this.

[@loveuzindgi9097]

I have HP L1506 monitor 2007 wala hai. Old model hai Mene 3 saal pehle apne frd se liya tha. Usme user id aur password dalna hai. Mujhe yaad nhi. User id and password kya tha Aur data remove karna hai all Kese karo🤔🤔 plz batao

[@bundesautobahn7]

That mobo would be perfect for a Windows 98 build (I'm building a new modern PC, and will have a spare case to use), though I'd go with a single CPU version because two Tualatins would be overkill.

[@yukisaitou5004]

Yeah definitely go for a single socket board if you're running Windows 98 or the second CPU won't be doing anything other than generating heat. I'd recommend something based on the Intel 815 (B stepping) chipset personally as I've had issues with some expansion cards on VIA chipsets and the 512MB RAM limit doesn't really matter for Windows 98.

[@razonesdeunaguerraespiritu6330]

xp forever

[@Кот-п3х4о]

are you on it now?

[@charonunderground8596]

COOL hardware !

[@homelessEh]

something So unsettling about hearing water trickling along side hundreds of watts of power sensitive electronics.

[@tj71520]

A watercooled Pentium 3?

[@hardwarechronicles9178]

yes why not ? :)

[@tj71520]

@@hardwarechronicles9178 hehe true I Guess

[@rostislavnemecek2285]

kámo, ty si mega zabiják :))))

[@AY_______]

SSD could improve performance

[@Liske-]

This PC is creative innovative cooling

[@NA-PROJECT]

Nice

[@02xygen]

Excellent

[@wonszgamingszerokipedzel1004]

nice

[@JohnSmith-iu8cj]

Reminds me of my water cooled athlon 1 GHz in 2001 😂

[@SkrovnoCZ]

I run Windows 7 on Pentium II and 256MB RAM and it works pretty well. Only drivers are problem.

[@BengaliManfromWB]

Install an AGP nvidia fx 5500

[@AngelDarthNet]

winXP so much memories

[@TheApokalipsa88]

My dream❤️

[@gabitan8891]

Save the frogs =)

[@plainsabertooth7828]

If windows 7 was a bit lighter on older hardware I think it would be possible to play KZbin videos on it.

[@talvisota327]

problem was the gpu here... with a radeon hd for agp, youtube and browsing overall would be a lot smoother

[@spinakon]

Pentium 3 w/ 9700pro? ... Pentium 3 sería mejor con una GeForce 4 4200

[@exxor9108]

The only way you could get dual-core processors back in the day. lol Not in the normal way, but in the way of dual _processors._

[@Qagenonline]

Ahoj máš tyhle ramky? www.tsbohemia.cz/transcend-axeram-4gb-kit-2x-2gb-1066mhz-cl5_d70986.html Hledám je už roky a nejsou už nikde k sehnání. Mám jen 2x2GB ťehle transcend ramek. A potřeboval bych jeste jeden kit 😄

[@Кот-п3х4о]

Хр one love

[@gigabusterexe]

hey its Timmy Joe

[@devontuin2667]

Iam a poor guy i only have a single pentium iii 866mhz system with a GeForce 2 gts

[@ernestobello1835]

Hermoso

[@Rolatnor]

Was win7 at sp1

[@swigityswoogity2191]

More dual sockets!

[@VirtualRealityByKash]

Ta špína, to je z těch měděných trubek?

[@RETROHardware]

Zrezl sroub (zatka) v tom tanku.

[@bobg3034]

I loved WIN 7!!!

[@carlosmunoz-yz6ss]

ponle traduccin a castellano para los que no sabemos ingles gracias saludos...

[@BilisNegra]

El creador es polaco... Ya hace un esfuerzo haciendo los videos en inglés.

[@rodrigoacosta9708]

@@BilisNegra si es verdad. En polaco ahi si que estariamos perdidos para entenderlo jejejej

[@voxxxytoyota6848]

Red BIOS )))

[@dobronteiferenc5628]

Test ply Crysis 1! :)

[@Stouker4]

aha češko dalši

[@vovyn8098]

ty české win 7 jsou dobré

[@olivertwist8313]

Lol. It works better and faster than my Celeron dual core with 3gb ddr2 and gma 4150

[@voxxxytoyota6848]

98 vs 2000 vs XP on Pentium III-S 1400 and x2 CPU

[@Skracken]

Can 98 even handle dual CPU? I think it can only use one.

[@voxxxytoyota6848]

@@Skracken I DREAM TO SEE WIN98 ON i9-10980XE ;)

[@MrFlextor]

only W2K vs XP makes sense.. W98 is not able to use more than on processor/core...

[@riskbreaker9]

You put in danger that beautiful pc with a wc! The best option is using a good and safe air cooler

[@RETROHardware]

No danger - no fun :-)

[@fringe5174]

os android - good for pc

[@nimakhosravi6476]

one of first comments

[@Stermy57HW]

First part comparing Windows XP vs Windows 7 is no sense. GPU and 370 Tualatin platform are too old for Windows 7. Results are obvious. 3D comparison doesn't even match same driver version. R300 has no good driver for Windows 7. VIA chipset is putting down overall performance. If I were you I would compare Windows 2000 vs XP with same driver version.

[@wowitsshit9734]

yes win7 32-bit SUCKS!, i coulda told you that, i got a intel core 2 duo laptop and for some reason it had 32-bit win7 on it, i installed win10 instead 64-bit instead and removed all the microsoft bloat and now it's really fast.