AlphaGo Chat and the Vodka Game - Brady's Blunders 75

[@Woodswolf]

Like some other people are saying, I watched a Computerphile video on AlphaGo and then wanted to watch a bit more about it, simply because it was so interesting. Your videos were actually near the top of the list for "AlphaGo analysis", so I started watching them. I've never played Go in my life and didn't know anything about how it's played, but your analysis and explanations for each of the interesting moves/sequences were very insightful and easy to understand - why moves were good or bad, what was handled well vs poorly, etc. Thanks to your videos, I can now definitely say that I know at least a bare minimum about Go, and I'm looking forward to more of your videos in the future! ;)

[@londonopendack144]

Yes, I also discovered this channel after watching Computerphile videos

[@mal2ksc]

Me three.

[@pseudocalm]

I found your channel due to the alphago video showing up after watching dwyrin's alphago analysis, but after 15 seconds I decided to go back to your first video and start from there. Totally worth it. I'm glad you're still at it. I put your channel in a google doc that people pass around to brand new players who show up on OGS chat. I'll link it in a separate comment just in case it gets filtered. Fact is, now that alphago video will get traction every time alphago does a thing that other channels cover, for quite some time to come anyway. One of the things I enjoy but there isn't enough of in the english speaking Go world is the interesting human go stories. If someone took a camera to the next go congress for instance and started asking their friends for their most memorable or funniest go congress stories, be it after hours or not, or something in that vein would be fun. Certain professionals have weird quirks or have had some pretty dramatic situations in and around title matches. Spotlighting certain go master's careers, playing styles, quirks, etc, that kind of content would take some research and maybe talking to some people familiar with 20th century or historical Go in Japan. Those stories can appeal to everyone, but to reach people not looking for Go might take some clever video titling. That kind of content is a lot of work though which is probably why it's rare.

[@itai82]

Hey Brady, I've played on-off for some years, and AG made my interest reappear for the time being :) Your video about 'whatever you do is wrong' captures the "spirit" (it doesn't really have that human attribute) of AlphaGo so well, and it's also one of the things that make everyone so enthusiastic about it, is how amazingly beautiful its "flow" is, how it's fine with whatever the opponent does, and it finds it way, so I thought the title was the key to that video's popularity, how it captured that aspect of the "coolness" of AG that was hard to explain in words, and that simple title made so much sense. I hope to see more videos from you, you're very humble and down to earth, I love your explanations and simple (yet meaningful) point of view. As for the secret of KeJe vs AG, I feel he'll try mirror go as White, which can be interesting! I feel a video topic I'd like to hear from you is about: What will happen to the world of Go when AIs as strong as AG are made public... When it's available for everyone, will it made passion for the game lower world-wise? Can compare to what happened with Chess when that happened. Thank you.

[@HeyApples]

I was probably part of the viewership spike you referred to in your video. KZbin suggested the AlphaGo video to me even though I had never even played or shown interest in Go before. Stayed around because I enjoyed the content. If I had to guess, KZbin was playing with their suggestion algorithms and saw that I watched other game and strategy videos.

[@Garemir]

I'm so glad you're back! When I had the notification on my phone I was all exited and happily surprised. Your videos are awesome in many ways! So... Yeah, thanks for making them, Brady :)

[@MrRecorder1]

Hey Brady! I, indeed, got to know your series via the AlphaGo. Working in the field of AI, being mildly interested in learning Go (at all), and wondering what it is that made AlphaGo is "so special", made me watch all your AlphaGo videos. But to actually understand it, I also started to learn playing Go myself... that has not come very far yet though. I got some computer--program that spits out end-scores which I do not understand... anyway... I need to learn more... AlphaGo combined with your calm voice and explaining what is going in a sort-of intuitive way is a really nice format! Also nice to hear that you got a big spike in views! Happy playing an youtubing!

[@drcosmos137]

I saw your video on AlphaGo as someone who was interested in AI, but had never played Go. Your video got me interested in the game and now I've started playing. Thanks for making fun-to-listen-to commentary videos!

[@dandersonanza]

Welcome back, Brady! I've been looking forward to a new video from you ever since the AlphaGo stuff concluded. No apologies needed.

[@apppples]

Interest in AI, was watching lots of stuff on the many different forms of machine learning. And then you showed up. And that was awesome. Cause I have never played go before, but you made it so interesting. Also, the video that went into history and the ear reddening move was awesome. Because I love history presented in such awesome ways. Idea for video: Maybe play by play of famous go games that changed the game forever? Idk how many of those there are though, or how interesting such a video may be.

[@wermaus]

I watch a lot on ai, math, and numberphile/computerphile a lot and well now I'm here and i'm loving these videos!

[@fleecemaster]

Glad to see you making videos again! I myself am actually interested in AI, but your videos are the best I've seen at explaining what AlphaGo is doing and thinking, which is why they appeal to me. Also obviously not knowing much about Go, you help me gain insight into the game in a simple and understandable way. In my view you basically focus on what's interesting, which is all I'm really after! I don't actually want to play Go, but long as you put "AlphaGo" in any relevant videos then I will remain a happy subscriber! :)

[@aber628]

I'm watching your Alpha Go videos as an AI researcher, and I find it very amusing how the pros trying to defeat it. Especially the "lets try an unconventional opening it has never seen" idea shows that players never really understood how the AI works.

[@briankamstra2454]

I'm one of those newer wave of watchers. I've always been interested in AI, which is what caught my eye originally for getting into your content. I have been following along with the heads up poker games against AI as well. I am a much, much better poker player than go player so this was a cool way to start wrapping my head around what is going on with AI in the go realm. As it turns out, I've been trying to learn go again as well. Looking forward to following along on your channel!

[@lorinlevin621]

AS A BEGINNER I AM IN THE PROCESS OF LOSING MY FIRST 50 GAMES AT THE GO CLUB YOUR VIDEOS ARE VERY ENLIGHTENING FOR MY GAME SKILLS AND MY MORALE!

[@shinuito]

Good to hear you're back! Congrats on the recent win :)

[@TheSirlabreck]

Hi, one of the new watcher. I don't exactly know why your video was in the feed. I watch a lot of technologies news or gaming (mostly Let's Play). Your videos on AlphaGo were very interesting even if I had only a basic understanding of Go. I did not bother subscribing as I saw your last video was a few month back. I'll give you a chance, your narrative style is very enjoyable and even if I don't play Go, the game is very interesting, notably with a good analysis. Bon courage!

[@qianweijia1]

It showed the video to non-Go players because the way you explain things is so intuitive and conceptually understandable rather than intense analysis which honestly preclude most other viewers

[@guoalber]

So glad you're back!

[@Gregzenegair]

Every video with Ia involved interests me, also Alpha Go, that's why I am watching these videos

[@ALROCHARARI]

Happy to see you back

[@mhl2674]

Two years ago, in Minnesota, you walked into the only trick move I know, which became the basis of Brady's Blunders 2. That's right - my trick move was seed money that helped to get this series rolling, and now you're famous. I guess what I'm saying is, Brady - you owe me a drink the next time I see you.

[@orvol13]

I saw one of your videos on reddit r/all. I forgot which subreddit posted it. That is how i came in contact with your videos. P.S. I'm one of the people who don't play GO. Not YET!! :) :D

[@aesheronanglvd3th309]

Same

[@Dys5670]

I am really happy the series continues ^^.. it motivates me to keep on playing no matter the problems I am facing 😁 ^^.. I hope your victories flooding in with hard work, keep coming a bit longer ^^, but still with flaws or improvements you can talk about ^^. you have a good way explaining it ;) for us "lesser go-experienced folk".. Hope to see another video soon again ^^😁

[@Anwolf123]

Love the series, keep it going!

[@Kolop315]

I am one of those "AI folk" but also one of those gamers, though I'm pretty sure youtube showed me the video because I've shown interest in other machine learning videos. It was very enjoyable to see how you personified AlphaGo as this sort of player that's kind of a step above other players. You made the video enjoyable to watch even though I don't know really anything about the rules of Go. Definitely made me want to learn at least the basics.

[@derekdai9327]

Kejie in a most recent interview said that, first of all, he probably won't be able to win as AlphaGo is so much stronger now. Second, he said that he would be fighting AlphaGo like fighting a normal human being and see what happens. Also he admitted that his special strategy is Mirror go but he's unlikely to actually play it in the 3 games.

[@FarWanderer81]

I'm one of the new subs, too, though I'm actually a Go player, about 1d. Don't remember how that AlphaGo vid ended up in my suggested videos, but I was vaguely curious about it. Ended up subscribing (:

[@Codog2009]

I enjoyed the video and am curious as to your strength. Keep em coming.

[@MaxIV77]

I like your videos because you are a very entertaining person to watch. Personally I am not a Go player and I don't currently have a plan to invest time into learning it, but your narration/analysis/presentation is quite good. Obviously there is always room for experimentation/improvement. You come across as a very technically competent individual and that lends a lot of credibility to your statements and that is a very engaging. You are also quite entertaining, you have a good cadence to how you speak that is highly expressive and you use that to impart feelings of cleverness, humor, and authority to what you are saying. You really seem to enjoy what you are doing and that really shows through. I come from a video gaming background in my interests and viewership. If you are interested, in my opinion you very closely resemble the presentation style of another KZbinr "Day9". He is massively successful and has years of experience in growing his channel from a single game "Starcraft", it may be interesting for you study his growth (Specifically his "Day9 Daily" series). Disclaimer, this is just the opinion of a random internet person.

[@fyermind]

I would love to see more videos on the math of go, counting, and end-game, perhaps cast as how to teach an AI to play Ko

[@groonix3856]

Can you please do a video on strong shapes and formations and why they are strong/how to use them and counter them.

[@draakisback]

I found your videos after watching machine learning videos. as a programmer who is getting more and more into deep learning, alpha go is certainly interesting to me. ironically, I'm a 2kyu rated go player who never watched any go content on KZbin prior to finding your videos.

[@normILL]

I was shown the other AlphGo video. I'm into non-Go gaming, but I had watched the lee sedol vs alphago series on youtube. Your video popped up in my suggestions. Hope that gives more context for you on how the views/likes spiked. Keep me posted on the content "we" could do together you mentioned. I'd be interested in collaborating on an educational series where you teach a novice like me how to play go, or at least how to become more familiar with it so I can better appreciate the AlphaGo matches that are upcoming. (:

[@zimmicks3170]

Lee Sedol tried an unusual opening last year against AG for the same reason: hoping to confuse the AI. And AlphaGo didn't falter, it actually KNEW it was a mistake move by Lee Sedol.

[@SonnyKnutson]

I used to play GO some years back. I learned about GO from the Anime, Hikaru No Go. One of the best anime series I have ever watched and I have rewatched the whole series which is 75 episodes long about 7-8 times. It's super emotional and very well made! I have even been a member of a Go club in Sweden for a while and participated in the Swedish championship. (though I didn't place that far up the top. Something like 14th or so. My best rank (In Sweden) was 5-6 Kyu. Which in Asia would be 1-2 Kyu lower. Swedes have a harder time ranking up because there is so few players here. Thats why we are usually stronger than our rank suggests.

[@novak4life]

your conjecture on his special strategy was almost correct. He created fights with 7 groups instead of 2!

[@Zekian]

I spend a lot of time reading papers about neural networks and training networks to predict features about data. I saw your alpha go video after watching a presentation by deepmind's co-founder. While I have played a few games of go in the past, I am not very good and found it somewhat interesting to listen to your video in the background.

[@Molb0rg]

As about Brady-viral part. I definitely catched as a random guy. I have sweet spot for go game(not play it, but consider it as good game for different reasons) and I'm interested in AI in general. In addition to interesting and more or less understandable explanation of things, so basically anyone can watch those videos, you made very deep statements about AI in general(intentional or not) and illustrated it in those videos. And that moved me to share those videos in group which more interested in AI and future of AI.(I'm in no way be responsible for spikes, just course of actions in my particular case) One of things you have shown and which I find very important is that we can learn from such AI not matter how much smarter it is, and that such challenge is good for us in the first place as AI has no or different preconceived notion about things and it allows us to look at what we know at a different angle. So yes, those videos have value besides go-community.

[@Molb0rg]

This video is also good - it like John Connor making plans to hack the AI :)

[@markregev1651]

nice. another video

[@danodet]

Here are my hope for The Future of Go Summit : Terminator Go. That would be a new AI trained to maximize the expected gain margin. The usual Alphago is trained to maximize the probability of winning. As a consequence it slows down when winning and go on tilt mode when loosing. The Terminator Go would be a spectacular player that attack big groups, try to kill big groups, play to be ahead by 12 when ahead by 10, does not conceal his real strength, play an optimal endgame, does not go on tilt mode when loosing.

[@infinitysalinity7981]

It wouldn't win very much then

[@raymondbourke5506]

Personally, I can say that I first found this channel from AlphaGo - Whatever You Do is Wrong in the related section of a chess video. I would suspect that lots of the players that saw it are chess players like myself. I still don't play Go, but I found your video interesting.

[@nickmiller3501]

Glad to see you are back 👍. Can I suggest nick sibicky for your list of links . A good place to go once you've learnt the basics . A Korean friend was saying the other day that he was sent to go lessons when young to improve his concentration. It made me think that there should be more content aimed at the younger viewer , and obviously their parents. There is always a big interest in education by today's ( slightly neurotic) parents.

[@Newidhan]

I prefer OGS. You play in the browser and there's a really nice feature that allows you to play out things on the board during a match rather than just play it out in your mind (your time is still ticking while doing this).

[@ig2d]

been a long time been a long time been a long lonely lonely lonely lonely time.... great video as ever... thanks for the content

[@trucid2]

7:33 From what I've seen AlphaGo is very good at avoiding such big fights for precisely the reason you mention -- it's not good at them. This is also why the earlier versions of AlphaGo avoided ko. Btw, what do you think of Manego against AlphaGo? Redmond mentioned it. I'm highly skeptical that it would work.

[@zengokigyh]

5+ best pro players vs alphago would be an insanely interesting game. Pair go with 1 alphgo with a pro vs the same would be funny and interesting. I hope we see that happen

[@pseudocalm]

Here is a google doc with some resources for new Go players or people trying to improve docs.google.com/document/d/1AJKGbLuyCwqqAa34BtRodT6pJrXp0y8rbxUQJLqhvC0/edit?usp=sharing

[@jasondoe2596]

Thank you!

[@DoubleCocoRainbow]

I have always loved go but I feel like it isn't the kind of game you can just pick up and start playing. Should I just start reading things and getting beat on some server or is there actually a place for new players?

[@shinuito]

Just jump in, read some books, watch some videos and get playing. Play on a 9x9 board to start with so you can get a feel for living groups and capturing stones, and how useful and dangerous playing on the sides and corner of the board is. Then there's a 13x13 size that's useful for learning to hold territory, and the full 19x19 has everything and more in it. It's worth playing some 19x19 games though, there's a good bit of flexibility in moves and the outcome of a game isn't decided within the opening moves like it can be in a 9x9. Best of luck!

[@jayvis123111]

Having never expressed interest in go in my life youtube thought it was a good idea for me to see "everything you do is wrong".

[@expressionamidstcacophony390]

Dude, I haven't got a clue what the rules are and I'm quite sure I would never want to play. Somehow still intrigued. It's a strategy game, I can discern that much. What you're saying about AlphaGo balancing localized fighting versus global awareness has parallels in RTS video games, where the language is "micro" and "macro". On one hand, micromanaging the fine detail of movements to squeeze maximum utility out of individual units, and on the other hand, keeping development on pace with the progression of the game to ensure that the balance of fights gradually tips. On that note, I wonder - does Go have "cheese"? Are there early game all-in tactics that occasionally result in crazy upsets?

[@dannygjk]

Format drive, clean install of OS problem solved. What happens with most computers is not hardware related. When someone complains that their computer has become wonky I respond, "It's because you have the government installed on your computer.". What I mean by that is they have installed so many software bells and whistles which drain resources that the hardware just can't deal with it smoothly.

[@glorrin]

Well hello I guess, I am one of those strange new completely random viewer. Yes one of your video got in my suggestion box. I am not at all a go player, but I do enjoy AI and what people do with it (etc...). I find it quite funny that you humanise alpha go using terms like "think" "accept" "agree" "disagree". But scrary part (at lesat for me) I am not realy sure that you are wrong doing so. Good luck, and see you again.

[@leeponzu]

google how to run the MBpro hardware test.

[@thomaschambaz7946]

KGS has new ownership? As for the upcoming china games: Go Humans!

[@pauldhartley]

I enjoyed your earlier videos, but this concentration on Alpho GO is too much for me.