Wing Chun - Master Wong Shun Leung

Master Wong on why Wing Chun don't weave and bob and a wing chun person's need for the ability to hit for with even with the arm extended

[@TheAGENTxi]

this is the professor of wing chun and a legend!

[@MCBosmans]

@holyevil This was filmed in 1994 at a seminar in the Netherlands.

[@swilsem]

Wong was great.

[@sostenuto]

Where can I see the rest of this video? Are there any complete seminar videos of WSL?

[@MCBosmans]

the late sifu Wong Shun Leung passed away in 1997.

[@mardukalpha]

I couldnt agree more with you except for learning to dodge it may be useful but relying on it may end a fight for you if you to weave into a fist. That is why its better to use ving tsun concepts of deflection and interception at the close range it is meant for and boxing techniques at a mid range with weaving ONLY at a mid range.

[@turnerm33]

yes we do pradtise in sparring - only way of seeing what you re really capable of and yes we want to see our mistakes under stress condition - we do not use any protective gear and Philipp does not accept his teachers to escape pain ;)

[@FoieGras]

He can! But would he do it w/ the maximum efficiency? Or a better question is, would he be able to keep a level head if he's in a situation he's unfamiliar with rather than just a face to face confrontation? Physical conditioning and the so called "ground game" will only get you so far, but in the end, it's really about being able to survive rather than being able to beat up the other guy face to face.

[@gragrn]

SiGung Wong Shun Leung was the best fighter in the Wing Chun Style. Never beaten, the SiHing of Bruce Lee, the one Bruce could never beat. Sifu to the great Wan Kam Leung and many others. Who are you to even question this mans knowledge, he had more real fights than all of you put together! Bruce Lee respected SiGung Wong above all others. Listen, Learn, Absorb, Understand. But most of all, RESPECT!

[@HomasterX]

you know what I went through, having respect that you have done multiple martial arts, I did Muay Thai, Jiu Jutsu, Tae Kwon Do, Ninjutsu and some Jeet Kune Do. But at the end of the day I found Wing chun worked best for me, i think its just whatever works, for you but no need to throw insults.

[@holyevil]

it's alrite.. i'll try my best to put more clips up..

[@And-Or101]

Who says an mma guy will follow ring rules in the street lol? He can do the same things as the wing chun guy. He can poke eyes, kick to the groin, hit the throat etc. And because they often have better conditioning and a ground game, they would probably win. And I am a wing chun practitioner who has done mma, boxing, etc.

[@Annuisance]

@mmabl Almost, you make that Wong Shun Leung and then well call it even.

[@holyevil]

thank you.. i'll try it out...

[@And-Or101]

The MMA guy is probably more suited for a real fight than the wing chun guy, because he has been pressure tested in the cage. They have rules yes, but they still go full force and try to knock each other out. Almost no wing chun practitioners do this, which is why when hard shots start raining down on them, they will freak out because they are not used to it.

[@bombalega]

The greatest!

[@nel3000]

tenk u

[@paulstefan]

@cygroltd When the word beimo was mentioned in Hong Kong WSL's name always came up because he was undefeated in hundreds of fights against skilled fighters of all kinds of backgrounds so you should probably know a few things before you start typing on your keyboard...

[@FoieGras]

Classical Karate does provide plenty of street apps, just so you know.

[@HomasterX]

you honestly think a wing chun fighter can't do much against a MMA fighter, lets say fair fight situation both has same years of training and they were in a street situation, do you honestly think you can jiu jutsu your way and even bust out a double leg take down on a a wing chun fighter? do you honestly think that wing chun moves arn't desinged to maim or kill? those are the very things your not allowed to do in MMA

[@shavga]

agree, Philipp Bayer is the best!!! no more talk!!!

[@BBFOXHOUND]

@paulstefan Yeah he has Bruce Lee haha . Wong Shun Leung Rules, both are dragons

[@SomeOnesSon80]

Everything is released worldwide via the web these days...

[@flameo1000]

@edistdats Bruce Lee learned most Wing CHun from Wong Sheung Leung,

[@flameo1000]

And yes Wong is actually better than Leung TIng cuz he is the real deal

[@epicguo]

hhahaha, the White dude only got one hand...how can he fight back?

[@jasonwho100]

r u serious? He's been trained with sifu WSL for long time, he's Phillip Bayer, one of the best W.C. sifu in Germany.

[@muitobonito113]

@WTKSB1987 Wong Shun Leung Wing Chun is more efficient than Leung Ting Wing Tsun Period.Wong fought beimo and learned real applications.Leung Ting is all theory no practice.There are some decent LT practitioners but they dont compare to WSL Wing Chun.

[@KaynaTax]

the man with the arm injury is Philipp bayer, the greates Ving Tsun practioner Currently!

[@davidlee7687]

Please upload more! Your taste of wing chun is spot on! My respect goes to Wong Shun Leung, Tsui Sheung Tin, Wan Kam Leung, Ng Chun Hong, etc. When it comes to Wing Chun, stance and body structure, positioning, elbow energy, force issue, etc is paramount instead of those fast and fancy movement/technques that most wing chunist promotes, looks good but no deep understanding of wing chun!

[@wingchun-simplekungfu7584]

I have quite a few lessons of Sigung Tsui on my channel if it’s of interest.

[@paulstefan]

@cygroltd actually this was documented by the press in hong kong and it was a public fight. No dreaming involved. A lot of boxers have been taken down by VIng Tsun people. And I agree most Wing Chun does suck but not WSL Ving Tsun. Do your research and find out who Wong Shun Leung was and what his reputation is like in Hong Kong even today in the Marrtial Arts world not only in the Wing Chun world.

[@holyevil]

I'll try my best, but I don't have a good video editor so I have to cut about 900m of data whenever i wanna make a clip.. hmmmm anyone knows how to put subtitles into movies? I can put some translations up for those cantonese only clips..

[@holyevil]

@8bobthebuilder : sorry i have NO idea what year it was filmed. somewhere in the 80s? cuz master wong passed away in the early 90s?

[@mightyoro]

you keep bringing up what bruce said about training intensively in "boxing" AND "wrestling", a combination that can take down most martial artist. though i wonder what the outcome would be if you put that man up against a practitioner of wing chun and say the drunken fist. cause you know, having to learn both boxing AND wrestling in order to win a martial artist of their own "form" just isn't fair. put the boxer/wrestler up against a wing chun/drunken fist martial artist. now we're talking

[@HomasterX]

woa hold on, you said it didn't work in several encounters and your sifu was good, did you mean that you tried to take on your sifu using wing chun or did you mean that you "used" wing chun and failed on a number of occasions, because you know that theres no such thing as the best martial art or what is style is superior, if you keep saying Zen this Zen that then you wouldn't be throwing insults over the internet would you. obviously not too much zen about you.

[@HomasterX]

PS: I don't have pride, and i'm not asian but I do know that the ultimate Zen is humility, your such a awesome "real" fighter that you will advertise yourself like so. if your good, you'd never say your good. your so full of it, you think i'm easy pickings for a real fighter like you. honestly the best fighter is the one not getting himself in a fight in the first place.

[@HomasterX]

replying to vincent 4500, .... i disagree with the statement "even the best wing chun guys don't last too long in MMA fights" your talking out of your arse, didn't wong sheung leung point out boxing being treated almost as a game? MMA is a widely publicised combat sport. wing chun don't have restrictions when it comes to fighting

[@killertoad]

A lot of what Bruce thought came from WSL, so I wouldn't call him "pre-bruce". He kinda made Bruce what he was... WSL is very scientific and he challenged "mystical" kung fu masters himself. So I think you need to know that before you say he is like a person who "believed God created the world"

[@flameo1000]

There used to be chinese magazines that shows the kings o kung fu, There is Wong, and leung ting, and forgot the other 2 ones. there is suppose to be 4 that my Sifu told me, cuz he read one when he was a kid. He lucky enough to meet bruce lee 2 times

[@killertoad]

Yes. He fought alot more. And fyi, Leung Ting shouldn't even be put in the same category. He should be Ip Man's great grand student. Search it up on google and you'll find a news article on it. His lineage is muddy and he boasts alot.

[@holyevil]

the guy in the white guy is I THINK Phillip Bayer.. a WSL lineage Sifu

[@bbathk]

and.. while i respect WSL and his WC knowledge.. the Bob and weave in boxing is way more sophisticated then his idea of "dodging"..... plus, WC is combat, and boxing is a game ? Thats just wrong.. period !

[@Jericobra]

Check out Gary Lam. Sigung Wong's best student. His wing chun will speak for itself. He is in my opinion the best. Worlds beyond Phillip Bayer, Barry Lee, and the like. Go ahead and google him.

[@HomasterX]

Okay we'll just leave it at that, Respect for you that we're both MMA fighters anyway. with our own views on principles and perspectives. RESPECT peace out

[@killertoad]

exactly as my teacher said so many people keep boasting, but my teacher downplays everything and just teaches what WSL taught him..

[@pakeyboy]

hahaha learn to listen Cantonese then haha luckily i was born in Hong Kong and my mother tongue is Cantonese hahaha

[@shavga]

Gary Lam is good,no doubt ,but PHB is more talented !

[@SomeOnesSon80]

*could* being the operative word... like *should* and *would*... favourites of yours.

[@serk1933]

agreed lots of awfull wing chun schools out there im lucky i found a very good school

[@flameo1000]

Actually my Sifu or master talked about the history of yip man and wong

[@SomeOnesSon80]

Hey mightymeatmonsta, I don't think you wrote enough comments dude.

[@Velasca]

Was Wong Shun Leung better than William Cheung and Leung Ting?

[@papertiger7]

Some of the translation is wrong.

[@abrubru]

I Agree, but for me Viktor Kan and Lok Yiu it's more better .

[@Lescouflair]

Would you please tell me what he really said?

[@paulstefan]

Wong was set to fight a Giant Russian boxer named Giko who weighed approx 18-19 stone and towered over Wong by over 12 inches (Wong weighed in at around 9&1/2 stone and 5foot 6inches). The outcome was Wong defeating the Giant with just three punches!" After the match a anonymous reporter asked Wong if he was the "best fighter in the world", and he simply replied, "No ... I am the second best." Then, the anonymous reporter asked, "Then who is?" Wong replied, "I have not met him yet.

[@ThisSentenceIsFalse]

Looky there! Good ole' Phillip Bayer!

[@nel3000]

great video man pls put more if u can.

[@kwok3d]

連消教打...

[@holyevil]

@papertiger7 : yeah some of it is slightly off.. but i think the meaning is still the more or less same.. never really listen to the english cuz I understand cantonese.. cheers

[@wrj9221]

Who is the guy with only one hand??

[@wingchun-simplekungfu7584]

This is an extremely old piece of footage. Wong Sifu was still at his very best. This footage is both amazing and beyond value for any martial artist . Thanks for sharing

[@oriater]

Thanks for uploading always Great to see Si gung and hear the Knowledge he imparts more if you can Peace!

[@FoieGras]

No dude (coming from a guy w/ street experience, though I do Karate, not Wing Chun). On the streets, it's instinct. A guy may not come at you from the front, but from the side - many people don't understand that it's NOT a 'fight' on the streets. The first hit may be the last so it's not a blow-trading fest like in MMA. I had a friend who's a Taekwondo guy - great ring MA - did a LOT of sparring, but he said he just didn't know what to do when someone came at him until he picked up Wing Chun.

[@Jissenkempo]

It still doesn't matter. No way you or anyone else is going to KO someone with a single 6 inch strike from an already outstretched arm. Its wishful thinking. If you believe you can really KO someone with that crap you should really get out more, or fight tougher dudes. Anyway I bore of this pointless conversation. Good luck.

[@goldendogger]

Master WSL exudes the confident, non cocky wisdom of an experienced and very successful martial artist who mastered the theory and techniques of Wing Chun. He also clearly has confidence in the system because he knew it worked for him many times in real fighting situations. I love watching anything on him - always the real deal Wing Chun instruction. Thanx for posting.

[@MrAdebogado]

then leave your old baboo

[@SomeOnesSon80]

Haha, yeah. It's a pity we are the ones travelling, fighting and having all the fun. I'm pretty sure all the guys that have fought in 15 different countries are pretty jealous of your wing chun lifestyle bro.

[@bbathk]

Horrible Translation....

[@holyevil]

And check out Tsui Sheung Tin's method of generating great amount of force.

[@Remaagen]

IN REPLY TO MAFAO..

[@Taolonn]

@papertiger7 Ney Dim Ji a?

[@Jissenkempo]

Well it's just that you keep calling me names like a 12 year old, figured you were mad...stayed up past your bed time or something.

[@Jissenkempo]

You really are 12 years old. As I detest repeating myself to ignorant people who can't pay attention. I give up.

[@jwvds]

Yes it it Wang Kiu. They were both close door students of Yip Man. He still teaches and gives seminairs

[@Velasca]

Thanks. What about Gary Lam? My Wing Chun knowledge is limited but I have been impressed by him as well.

[@holyevil]

hahah it's alrite.. i love both WSL and TST as well...

[@MI5VTSDA]

Nothing but respect for Master Wong, thanks so much for putting these videos up, they're great.

[@SomeOnesSon80]

Yeah, you'd kick arse with your ultra realistic "dvd living room" method.

[@holyevil]

Gary Lam is Wong Shung Leung's student.

[@CVYR490]

Good stuff !!!! Please post the 2nd part, 3rd part ....

[@Jissenkempo]

You mad bro? or just 12? Keep dreaming.

[@Jissenkempo]

Obviously....not that it would matter.