Ranking Doctor Who #5: The Masters

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@Ocsttiac
@Ocsttiac 6 жыл бұрын
I think the only time I truly appreciated Eric Roberts as the Master was when he was in the ambulance with Chang Lee. Master: What are we waiting for? Lee: The road's still blocked. Master: ... This is an ambulance! Lee: Hey, man, when I get all that gold, you know what I'm going to do? Master: I don't want to know. Lee: You kill me. Master: ... You want me to kill you? Lee: No! No, I mean you make me laugh, man. You're a funny guy. Master: I'm glad one of us is amused. Lee: Hey, look, cheer up, man. You'll get your body back soon. We're a team, right? Master: Yes, we're a team. Like, this is the first and I believe only time (in the TV series, at least) that the Master has had a "companion" in similar style to the Doctor, and already he's regretting it.
@drxshock6957
@drxshock6957 5 жыл бұрын
He legit sounds so annoyed lmao THIS IS AN *_A M B U L A N C E !_*
@nifralo2752
@nifralo2752 4 жыл бұрын
Is the Eric Robert's Master meant to be a peado? What he dose to the Chinese boy is textbook grooming and he even kisses him. He us called the Asian Child at one point, so I assume he is under 20. Still there are a surprising number if people who think McCoy being executed by firing squad was fitting.
@nifralo2752
@nifralo2752 3 жыл бұрын
@NeonTheremin true its almost a joke the way he dies
@CouncilofGeeks
@CouncilofGeeks 6 жыл бұрын
Well I can’t argue with that number one. Or the last place either. The rest I could debate, but I get your reasoning so I’ll spare you... for now.
@timbogymbro66
@timbogymbro66 6 жыл бұрын
The wrath of Nathaniel Wayne shall come!
@Jedi_Spartan
@Jedi_Spartan 6 жыл бұрын
It's all a matter of opinion apart from last and first (although I put the new who masters as they're the ones I've got most experience with and if I saw more of 3rd Doctor's master stories I'd be more of a fan of Delgado as I've only seen clips of him and possibly an episode a few years ago)
@scl1332
@scl1332 5 жыл бұрын
Ominous
@icantthinkofagoodusername4575
@icantthinkofagoodusername4575 6 жыл бұрын
John Simm is the hardest to rank because his Master was different each appearance
@drxshock6957
@drxshock6957 5 жыл бұрын
True
@cameronjosephvideos5942
@cameronjosephvideos5942 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair he was pretty similar between Sound of Drums and End of Time just more unhinged. He does the menacing scenes really well in The Doctor Falls but he just can't quite compare to Delgado, Ainley and Jacobi. Still I prefer him to the crispy masters and Michelle Gomez.
@linkinthedescription113
@linkinthedescription113 3 жыл бұрын
His unpredictability is what I enjoy the most. It’s like he’s bipolar you really believe this guy is insane and it’s terrifying because he’s so smart he’ll get what he wants.
@seangleeson8073
@seangleeson8073 6 жыл бұрын
1. Delgado 2. Gomez 3. Ainley 4. Simm 5. Pratt/Beevers 6. Me in my The Master Costume 7. Eric Roberts
@matthewduncan8523
@matthewduncan8523 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@samiicat4073
@samiicat4073 2 жыл бұрын
Well said 😸
@Terry.W
@Terry.W 6 жыл бұрын
Yep Roger Delgado is the perfect Master ...full of menace and evil...
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
A sinister evil mastermind and not an everlaughing maniac like most of his successors.
@jessetorres8738
@jessetorres8738 6 жыл бұрын
I feel with the exception of a tv season with McGann as The Doctor, not having a 4th season with Capaldi as The Doctor and Gomez as Missy as his Companion (along with Bill and Nardole) will be the biggest "what if" missed opportunity in all of Doctor Who! Seriously, that would have been the perfect team since (to paraphrase what Missy said in The World Enough And Time) it would have the tragic hero (Capaldi knowing this would be his last season), the romantic foil (Missy trying to be good but still having the temptation to be evil), the exposition (Bill whenever they would travel across space and time), and the comic relief (Nardole just being Nardole)!
@kurtpaulsen6579
@kurtpaulsen6579 Жыл бұрын
It is also a shame that the proposed third Peter Cushing film never got made, as it was supposed to feature Christopher Lee as the Master, and THAT would have been an awesome performance
@mr.barcode3186
@mr.barcode3186 6 жыл бұрын
1. Roger Delgado - do I seriously need to say why I love this guy? 2. Geoffrey Beevers - his voice is so amazingly evil. I just wish he had more TV material so we could see the amazing cloak and make-up that was put into the costume. 3. Anthony Ainley - a far more sadistic take on the character. 4. Edward Brayshaw - we could argue all day about how the War Chief is or isn't the Master, but I think he is, so there. And this guy absolutely kills it in The War Games. 5. Derek Jacobi - THIS is what the New Who adaptation of the character should have been! 6. Eric Roberts - extremely charismatic, and he brought out the character's more gentlemanly side excellently. Plus, he and Chang were a priceless double act. 7. Alex MacQueen - perfect nemesis for Paul McGann. 8. Peter Pratt - his performance was good, but the mask kind of ruins it. 9. John Simm - terrible in the RTD era, but he always gave the performances his all. The Doctor Falls was his best appearance by a long way. 10. Michelle Gomez - she always put a lot into her performance, but she's *nothing* like the character is supposed to be. It doesn't help that 90% of her appearances are just small cameos.
@vladdrakul7851
@vladdrakul7851 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry apart from Roger Delgado my favorite is John Simms in the RTD era which was a brilliant Tony Blair parody and on modern politicians. Intelligent and great on the Dr Who and Master's contradictory relationship which is the most involved of them all. Yes the very short Derek Jacobi performance is epic and should have been longer. All the others are at best mediocre versions of better ones (Delgado) with only Anthony Ainley pulling it off convincingly.
@dylanhumphrey3419
@dylanhumphrey3419 6 жыл бұрын
I belive the war chief is the master to
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
@@dylanhumphrey3419 No, that's unlikely. When they met, he was a complete stranger to the Doctor. The Master would have been an old acquaintance.
@BeasBotBonanza
@BeasBotBonanza 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with your list except I would swap John Simm and Michelle Gomez. I know a lot of folks say that she isn't 'Mastery' enough which is fair enough, but I feel as though her character through the series was more solid than John Simms, who, lets face it, has had 3 variations on the same character? First it was the mad politician, then the hoodie wearing people eater and finally we have the most Mastery version that appeared in World Enough and Time when he was in a Delgado/Ainley phase. I don't mind that they are different because it gives depth of character, but I dislike how the changes occured offscreen meaning that each time we see John Simm we don't know what type of Master hes going to be if that makes sense. Whereas Missy had a story arc of her own but we saw her changes on screen which helped them make more sense to the audience.
@lapelcelery42
@lapelcelery42 3 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting argument. I'd put the Gomez master below Simm because although what you said is true, I never liked any of her characterisation. I didn't love any of Simm's different versions too much either, but I thought they were each better than hers.
@Elnont
@Elnont 6 жыл бұрын
I bloody love Missy, the odd flamboyance that Simm’s version seem to entail worked so much better with a female master and she brought not only emotion complexity but also her at her most insane it was genuinely frightening.
@Jedi_Spartan
@Jedi_Spartan 6 жыл бұрын
Although I really like Missy, I do wish we had seen her do more evil schemes. Also I sort of like some of Simm's over the top acting (similar to how I like how over the top the Son/Brother of the Family of Blood episodes was at points) and with a reason behind it as well, also I really his reveal in World Enough and Time is cool
@thethreerailwayengines825
@thethreerailwayengines825 6 жыл бұрын
My order (including Derek Jacobi, Alex MacQueen and Peter Pratt and Geoffrey Beavers as two): 9) John Simm 8) Eric Roberts 7) Peter Pratt 6) Michelle Gomez 5) Derek Jacobi 4) Alex MacQueen 3) Anthony Ainley 2) Geoffrey Beavers 1) Roger Delgado
@Problembeing
@Problembeing 6 жыл бұрын
1. Roger Delgado 2. Anthony Ainley (MY Master) 3. Michelle Gomez 4. Peter Pratt 5. Geoffrey Beevers 6. Derek Jacobi (Loved him, but didn't see enough of him long enough, which would be unfair on the above to place him higher than them) 6. Jon Simm 7. Eric Roberts
@corvetteanddrwhorule
@corvetteanddrwhorule 6 жыл бұрын
8. Eric Roberts 7. Michelle Gomez 6. Peter Pratt 5. Geoffrey Beevers 4. Anthony Ainley 3. Derek Jacobi 2. Roger Delgado 1. John Simm
@rossmandell8734
@rossmandell8734 5 жыл бұрын
Roger delgado and Jon Pertwee were in fact close personal friends and that chemistry shows in the program.
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
Not just them. Also the chemistry between Jon Pertwee and Nick Courtney and the chemistry between Jon Pertwee and Katy Manning were so perfect, so can actually see their joy working together. That time isn't the Golden Era of the show without a reason.
@seedhillbruisermusic7939
@seedhillbruisermusic7939 6 жыл бұрын
aye, us kids were majorly creeped out by the decaying Master in the 70s
@iamamoronic
@iamamoronic 4 жыл бұрын
Missy is flat out my favourite
@Elnont
@Elnont 6 жыл бұрын
Personally I love Missy, Delgado always comes first obviously but Missy is one of my favourites.
@MichaelFreckelton
@MichaelFreckelton 6 жыл бұрын
Spot on video. I think your list lines up exactly with mine. Missy would have been 10 times better if she'd another insane Time Lord and not the Master, and Delgado will forever be _The_ Master to me. Watching him actually taught me a lot about how to write a good villain
@dsurrey-6559
@dsurrey-6559 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with your ranking. Roger Delgado is absolutely the best. He plays the part with class. Agree that the Doctor & the Master are no longer best friends but absolute enemies now like Holmes & Moriarty. It happens all the time in real life when so much has happened between two people you can no longer go back to being friends.
@tstockel
@tstockel 5 жыл бұрын
I heard one of the reasons Pertwee quit was due to Delgado's death, that they were friends and his demise took a lot of the fun out of the series for him.
@jeffgalus8454
@jeffgalus8454 2 жыл бұрын
That's makes sense 🤔
@michaelmcdonald2348
@michaelmcdonald2348 4 жыл бұрын
Delgado without a shadow of doubt. Just perfect
@thomasnieswandt8805
@thomasnieswandt8805 6 жыл бұрын
You can tell how much of Delgardo was the Master, because he nailed the part. And how much of him beeing a real friend to Jon Pertwee. Pertwee left the show, because he couldnt "keep on, without Roger"
@bradleywillard2361
@bradleywillard2361 6 жыл бұрын
This is my ranking of the Masters on TV, from best to worst: 1. Roger Delgado 2. Anthony Ainley 3. Derek Jacobi 4. Geoffrey Beevers 5. John Simm 6. Peter Pratt 7. Eric Roberts 8. Michelle Gomez Plus, I just wanted to say that I really agreed with what you said about Delgado, Wingy. That is exactly what I would have said as well.
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 4 жыл бұрын
Anthony Ainleys shining moments were Planet of Fire, Five Doctors, Logopolis, Castrovalva.
@garethfitzgerald9084
@garethfitzgerald9084 6 жыл бұрын
I remember that Delgado line in (I think) the Claws of Axos "you could try the usual things...sticky tape on the window etc". Always stuck with me. He had such a playful side to him.
@armoghetto
@armoghetto 3 жыл бұрын
You’re listnis very good! “I gave you the light speed overdrive as a token of my trust” tossing in over a ledge… “but I don’t take such foolish risks.”
@Ieuan-mw7fw
@Ieuan-mw7fw 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Some really cool and interesting choices. Also I never knew Tremas rearranged was Master. Can't disagree with you're number one. Totally agree! :D
@TARDIStraveller96
@TARDIStraveller96 6 жыл бұрын
I can't lie, Missy is my favourite 😅 i love what Moffat did with the character and Michelle Gomez is superb in the role.
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475
@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 2 жыл бұрын
Love to see you update this list.
@cameronjosephvideos5942
@cameronjosephvideos5942 5 жыл бұрын
I used to love John Simm but after watching the Classic's there's something so chilling about them that NuWho Master's don't have. 1. Roger Delgado 2. Anthony Ainley 3. Derek Jacobi (The trailers for the War Master sound completely chilling and that sold me on him could've been first with more screentime) 4. John Simm 5. Michelle Gomez 6. Peter Pratt 7. Geoffrey Beavers
@timbogymbro66
@timbogymbro66 6 жыл бұрын
From the one's I've seen: 6: Eric Roberts - "I always DREEESSS for the occasion!" 5: Anthony Ainley - Feels like a campier, less great version of Delgado to me. Maybe I've just gotta see more. 4: John Simm - About as mediocre as the Master can be. I really like the actor, but he's just been written inconsistently. Liked him in the Doctor Falls though. I hope he comes back so he can finally reach his true potential. 3: Derek Jacobi - Very commanding presence, very intimidating. 2: Michelle Gomez - REEEEEE! You dissed MISSSSEEEEE! Yeah, I love her. She'd be my favorite if it wasn't forrr.... 1: Roger Delgado - The definitive article. The original you might say.
@burrunjorman2127
@burrunjorman2127 6 жыл бұрын
How can you like Missy? Ainley was camp, but Missy isn't? A horny Mary Poppins? Plus Missy was nothing but pandering. The single worst character in DW's history. Even above the current abomination in the role right now.
@timbogymbro66
@timbogymbro66 6 жыл бұрын
@@burrunjorman2127 My god, chill your ass. You've got some issues, don't you?
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
@@burrunjorman2127 The single worst character in DW history was Donna Noble, but that's another chapter.
@robalexander8065
@robalexander8065 6 жыл бұрын
Enjoyable video, Wingy. Completely agree with your ranking. Delgado and Ainley are both excellent in the role and Simm, especially in World Enough and Time, is very effective in a way Missy hadn't been hitherto. Eric Roberts is probably at his best when menacing Chang Lee for the stolen bag containing the sonic screwdriver.
@IronSalamander8
@IronSalamander8 5 жыл бұрын
Good list! I can't argue with it really. Delgado IS the master. Ainley was mixed for me too. He was my first master but he did ham it up often. Delgado was amazing in that role, even if he was plugged into a bunch of episodes just to have him there. I really disliked the End of Time, and I felt Simms's master was too goofy, evil but too silly, the prayer bit was annoying as well. I think you hit it all on the head here.
@Phoenix-bi9bn
@Phoenix-bi9bn 3 жыл бұрын
I know it's late now cause this is 3 years old, but it would be good to see these lists updated I expect Sacha would be high given your preferences. Surely he won in Spyfall?
@MaskofMandarin
@MaskofMandarin 5 жыл бұрын
I'd be intrigued if/when you do this again it's one that includes Big Finish etc. But yeah, really enjoyed this.
@connorhammond4193
@connorhammond4193 5 жыл бұрын
Join sim is probably one if the best master in my opinion but I still respect the older actors but sim's acting was amazing as he brought the insanity that the master has in his era
@lawrencestalbow-best2317
@lawrencestalbow-best2317 6 жыл бұрын
Any ranking of Masters should be this order. Nailed it. "You KNOW he's a bastard!" xD
@davidaskew217
@davidaskew217 6 жыл бұрын
I actually agree with all your choices. I would always have put Missy higher on my list, but I actually like your reasoning and have never perceived her character in that way before. Anthony Ainley was my Master when I grew up, so totally get the sentimental aspects of your vote too. Great video!
@yussepig6629
@yussepig6629 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe how much I agree with you again. Esp. about Missy. You’re bluntness is funny too.
@TheCrippledEgg
@TheCrippledEgg 6 жыл бұрын
I think Missy was perfectly cast. Michelle Gomez can be very menacing and you can really see that in the new Sabrina. However, the character is just so lackluster. She spends less time actually being menacing and cunning, and more time being silly and bombastic. It’s not scary crazy, it’s almost pantomime. She keeps talking about being the Doctor’s friend and having a past with him, but they don’t do anything interesting with it. The redemption arc was all-talk and no-show. Her gender was clearly not the reason her character didn’t work, but I reckon it’s more to do with how Moffat writes female characters.
@HazarTulum
@HazarTulum 6 жыл бұрын
I remember reading something in Doctor Who magazine that said "The obvious thing to do would have been to write a female Master as an "ice queen"; cold, calculating and arch, the sort of female villain we've seen a hundred times before. But instead he wrote Missy as **completely batty."* I just can't help but think.... what?! An ice queen would have been BRILLIANT! You know the reason we've seen those sorts of villains hundreds of times before? Its because they work. They are menacing,. they are threatening, they're dangerous. They're not dancing about with Daleks -_-. I think that after Simm's portrayal, nobody really wanted a crazy over the top Master to appear next. Even as someone who personally ranks Simm higher than most other Masters, I didn't want another crazy Master! Hopefully we'll see Missy in more of a villainous light in Big Finish, maybe tone her down a little and not have her try to subtextually fuck the Doctor in every other scene she's in.
@TheCrippledEgg
@TheCrippledEgg 6 жыл бұрын
Skullcrusher430 She definitely had potential. The only time when she really felt like the Master was when tried to trick the Doctor intro exterminating Clara.
@matthewduncan8523
@matthewduncan8523 4 жыл бұрын
To be honest I agree with you in the case of Missy. She was an amazing character but whenever I watched her it wasn’t like I was watching the master. In my minds eye she was someone else. Like when missy and John Simm’s master are together it’s not “the masters” for me it’s missy and the master
@DPS31762
@DPS31762 6 жыл бұрын
I pretty much have to agree with your ranking, and the logic behind it. I will point out that Anthony Ainsley is on record as saying he was always told to camp up his performance, and was never allowed to play the Master the way he wanted except in Survival. I'm pretty sure Delgado was directed to be campier than he would have preferred as well (though obviously he wasn't as campy as Ainsley) and I strongly suspect that part of the reason Roberts was so campy was due to the direction as well.
@linkinthedescription113
@linkinthedescription113 3 жыл бұрын
John Simms my favourite. Seeing him kill his cabinet with gas while he does a thumbs up. One of the funniest things I’ve seen.
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 6 жыл бұрын
Where the New Series, went wrong with Missy isn't in the gender switch, Michelle Gomez was a great choice, but it all came down to her motivation. The Master's main drive has been his lust for power. Master-it's in the name He/She's a control freak with a God Complex. What defines the character is the arrogance, the sense of entitlement that I think partly comes from his rank as a Timelord. John Simm acted a bit (well a lot) more crazy but he still had that arrogance and desire to rule the universe that defines the character. Missy wanted to show the Doctor they are not so different- that sounds more like Batman and Joker than the Master and the Doctor.
@thedoctorsassistant1
@thedoctorsassistant1 6 жыл бұрын
awesome video dude this was a fun watch
@sunspot42
@sunspot42 6 жыл бұрын
From worst to first: Roberts Beevers Pratt Simm Ainley Gomez Delgado People complain about Gomez not being “like” the Master, but I never thought the burger-faced incarnations were much like Delgado’s Master, either. And then with Ainley we got an inferior Delgado impersonation, which to me established Delgado’s Master as his definitive personality, although sometimes Ainley’s impersonation worked pretty well (Logopolis). They missed a real opportunity to combine Ainley’s Master with the Black and White Guardians in a single episode. That could have opened a wormhole into a whole new dimension of camp. Gomez and Delgado were consistently a delight to watch, which I can’t say about any of the others. And I appreciate them trying to do something new with Missy, even if it didn’t work. When Simm was good he was great, but then you had Emo Master, which was a train wreck and - again - nothing like the Master. At least Ainley never delivered any performance that grating. If Simm returns, it might be interesting to see him play a post-Missy “reformed” Master who tries to achieve good ends, but thru bad means. That could be a different spin on the character.
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer 5 жыл бұрын
1. Delgado/Simm. 2. Technically Jacobi, but he wasn't on the list... 3. Pratt/Beevers/Gomez. 4. Ainley. 5. Roberts. Never heard the bald one. I don't even know his name.
@RassilonProductions
@RassilonProductions 6 жыл бұрын
6.Eric Roberts-i didn't hate him as much as other people do 5.Michelle Gomez-terrible stories but good actor 4.Geoffrey Beevers-Okay concept 3.John Simm-I love how he showed the master as insane and the fact that he shows the Doctor as vulnerable and that he actually lost 2.Anthony Ainely-He is amazing and gets way to much hate for what he was,considering he was the second not decayed master and had a lot to live up to but i think he did it,he like you was my first master and i love every story he is in. 1.Roger Delgado-It just had to be Roger,hes an amazing villain and i agree with everything you have said. I just realised that our lists are the same,i agree with on everything.
@sdbultimateproductions9299
@sdbultimateproductions9299 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! Could you make one about Patrick Troughtons best stories
@GivozLegacy
@GivozLegacy 6 жыл бұрын
Can I have an MP3 of the Who theme you put at the start of your videos?? It's so relaxing! :D
@TheSmart-CasualGamer
@TheSmart-CasualGamer 5 жыл бұрын
Season 12 opening?
@CompelledUsername
@CompelledUsername 3 жыл бұрын
I actually really like Simm when he’s dying and when he’s conversing with The Doctor on the phone. Shows the tragedy of that character.
@jamiestevens3074
@jamiestevens3074 6 жыл бұрын
Imagine world enough and time/the doctor falls has roger Delgado and John simm. Roger would be frustrated at how not intimidating he is and John simm would be like the step son pissing off his dad while the doctor is in the background and roger just turns to capaldi and says “I’ll be with you in just a minute” shuts the door, starts screaming at John Simms master as Capaldi is tied to a chair😂🤦🏻‍♂️ (Roger is the best over all, but if we include big finish audio it’s gotta be derek jackobi from utopia)
@eclecticdog2k901
@eclecticdog2k901 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve always loved Roberts’ Master. I don’t think he’s really that campy... Here’s my humble ranking, anyway. Pratt & Beevers are only split because I really get nothing out of Pratt’s Master except the excellent design, while Beevers plays it so chillingly... 7. Ainley 6. Pratt 5. Simm 4. Beevers 3. Roberts 2. Gomez 1. Delgado
@brendanokeeffe220
@brendanokeeffe220 Жыл бұрын
great video; my ranking; Sacha Dhawan Eric Roberts Michelle Gomez John Simm Geoffrey Beevers (The Big Finish story, Master is the second best Master story) Anthony Ainley Peter Pratt (again, The Deadly Assassin) Derek Jacobi (The War Doctor is great) Roger Delgado (The Best, despite not of his stories being as good as The Deadly Assassin or Big Finish's Master.)
@Yan_Alkovic
@Yan_Alkovic 6 жыл бұрын
6:07 Shit, I never even thought about that.... That is kind of morbidly hilarious!
@kurtpaulsen6579
@kurtpaulsen6579 Жыл бұрын
As much as I love all the other versions, I will always see Anthony Ainley as my version of the Master... My first story was The King's Demons, which I have suggested to many people as a decent way to sample classic Who... A good Doctor, two solid companions, the definitive villain of the series, and it is only two episodes long, not forcing people to watch for two hours to decide if it is for them...
@jaytender4949
@jaytender4949 6 жыл бұрын
Are you excited for the audiobook The diary of River Song with the 4 Masters?
@jcortese3300
@jcortese3300 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, didn't need to watch this one to know who #1 was. :-) And I'm glad we agreed on #2 as well.
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
1. Delgado 2. Have there been any others? ok... 2. Jacobi 3. Ainley 4. Gomez 5. Pratt 6. Beevers 7. Simm 8. Dhawan (the "Mustard") 9. Roberts (the "Mæstrr")
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 6 жыл бұрын
Are you going to make a video of best Master stories? For me its Terror of the Autons, Sea Devils, Frontier in Space, Mastermind, Master Utopia (and the other two I guess), World Enough and Time and the Doctor Falls
@violetvulpine5356
@violetvulpine5356 6 жыл бұрын
Terror of the Automatically is ok, but as it introduced the master, it will always be on the "Good master list"
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 6 жыл бұрын
@@violetvulpine5356 It's set up for the series but the good type of set up. The Master is a badass from the first second he steps out of his Tardis and Jo is adorable.
@misterwillguitar
@misterwillguitar 6 жыл бұрын
cool list sir - I havent seen enough of Delgado, but Ainley and his theatrical master were a big favourite of mine as a kid........could never get into Eric Roberts (though I did remember thinking he could switch and appear sadistic at any point so I liked that) - Missy and Simm Ive never actually seen as the Master (guess having Ainley and Delgado burned into my OS as a kid makes me think the Master is a bearded villain) - I liked them both, but never really took to them as the character........
@maxeyre2024
@maxeyre2024 6 жыл бұрын
1. Roger Delgado 2. Michelle Gomez (Missy) 3. Derek Jacobi 4. Anthony Ainley 5. John Simm 6. Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beavers 7. Eric Roberts
@mrdoctorgilmore
@mrdoctorgilmore 6 жыл бұрын
For me worst to best is: Simms Roberts Pratt McQueen Gatiss Gomez Anliey Delgado Jacobi Beevers Tipple (he just brought so much to the character)
@angrypacifist5782
@angrypacifist5782 6 жыл бұрын
Gatiss?
@mrdoctorgilmore
@mrdoctorgilmore 6 жыл бұрын
That Nutter from the Unbound series
@zigzag4491
@zigzag4491 6 жыл бұрын
My ranking (Including the masters from big finish) Worst to best: Gordon Tipple Eric Roberts James Dreyfus Anthony Ainley Decaying Masters Roger Delgado John Simm Michelle Gomez Derek Jacobi Alex MacQueen
@crackengeekproductions3843
@crackengeekproductions3843 6 жыл бұрын
YES MACQUEEN RULES!
@zigzag4491
@zigzag4491 6 жыл бұрын
@@crackengeekproductions3843 Ikr
@andrewbowman4611
@andrewbowman4611 6 жыл бұрын
I think you're missing one... actually, there are two others, aside from Delgado. David Garfield plays him in The Hollows of Time, and 'Sam Kisgart' in the Unbound series.
@The-Fishkeeper
@The-Fishkeeper 6 жыл бұрын
7. Michelle Gomez (As you say, She simply doesn't feel like the Master, and for me it's not just because she was more morally ambiguous than past incarnations, there is just nothing about her performance that makes me feel like She's the same character, She's is also played far too comedically for my taste but that's more down to the writing.) 6. Eric Roberts (Again, not very Master-like. Unlike with Missy though, there are a few little moments where I can see the character of the Master shining through in his performance) 5. John Simm (A little too over the top for me, especially in "The end of Time" and I also feel His characterisation is kinda Bland...) 4. Derek Jacobi (He played The Master for a just a few minutes, but the little we did saw see was very good in my opinion and rather faithful to some of the earlier portrayals) 3. Anthony Ainley (At first he came off as a campy imitation of Delgado's Master which is pretty much how He was instructed to play the part, but in the later episodes where the production team had given him a little more freedom to make the character of the Master his own, He was really very good, one of the more intimidating and menacing incarnations) 2. Peter Pratt / Geoffrey Beavers (Fascinating concept and very well portrayed by both actors, but I actually prefer Beavers take overall as I feel he more successfully captured the sheer desperation and ruthlessness of this incarnation, there was also something really creepy about the he moved.) 1. Delgado (Just brilliant, it's very difficult to make a villain so charming and charismatic but He pulls it off effortlessly and The dynamic between his Master and Jon Pertwee's Doctor was just perfect.)
@bluejaayway
@bluejaayway 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion they missed a trick with missy! They could have made her the Rani instead as it would have been a change from the master popping up! And I feel Gomez would have been better suited to the Rani character! Your spot on when you say she doesn’t seem evil or threatening at all! I read somewhere that moffat wanted to bring back that friendly rivalry that Pertwee and Delgado had, which would have been great if he did it right! They went over the top and made the master into a parody of him/herself! At least Delgado was always out to beat the doctor, he’d always have a threatening plan that the doctor had to it an end to! Missy just came across as cringey, not evil!
@simonwilson-hughes9197
@simonwilson-hughes9197 5 жыл бұрын
My favourite is a close choice between Roger Delgado and Anthony Ainley RIP! My least favourite is whoever played the decaying Master in Tom Baker's season
@Ben-vf5gk
@Ben-vf5gk 6 жыл бұрын
Master fanboy here so I've had this list prepared for a while 1) Delgado-Obviously 2) Jacobi- A master deceiver who can fool even the audience 3) Geoffrey Beavers- 4) John Simm- experimented with the character while what I like about him/her 5) McQueen- So much bloody fun 6) Gomez- Experimented with the character but didn't have the motivation that I think defines the character. But that's probably because they were doing a redemption arc 7) Ainley- Good actor but baring Survival comes of as a weaker, less threatening version of Delgado who was overused in the 80s. 8) Dreyfus- Good 9) Pratt- Good idea, but I don't love the mask 10) Roberts
@osiancoleman8447
@osiancoleman8447 6 жыл бұрын
I rlly like missy tbh.
@feilvei4498
@feilvei4498 5 жыл бұрын
Time-Flight is a guilty pleasure of mine.
@olieverett5683
@olieverett5683 5 жыл бұрын
I'm only gonna count the Masters I've experienced (including Big Finish because I swear the Master is brilliant in Big Finish) 1- Derek Jacobi 2- Geoffrey Beevers 3- Roger Delgado 4- Alex MacQueen 5- Anthony Ainley 6- John Simm 7- Michelle Gomez 8- Eric Roberts 9- Peter Pratt 10- Gordon Tipple
@darkytaco4713
@darkytaco4713 4 жыл бұрын
2:53 your welcome
@f1since08
@f1since08 6 жыл бұрын
Was the whole point of The End of Time/Missy not that the Master no longer wanted to kill the Doctor anymore? Hence why Missy is never, really, evil? Admittedly this doesn't really work anymore with Simm coming back, but still.
@thejamsterx
@thejamsterx 6 жыл бұрын
1. Roger Delagdo 2. Alex Macqueen 3. Michelle Gomez 4. Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beevers 5. Anthony Ainley 6. Derek Jacobi 7. John Simm 8. Eric Roberts
@wodaman8365
@wodaman8365 6 жыл бұрын
My favourite Masters are: (worst to best) Eric Roberts Michelle Gomez Peter Pratt John Simm Alex MacQueen Geoffrey Beevers Roger Delgado Derek Jacobi The top 3 are super close, especially Delgado and Jacobi, my reason for a lot of this list is Big Finish which does a massive service to all the Masters - it’s the reason for Jacobi being my favourite Master
@mattpearson6947
@mattpearson6947 3 жыл бұрын
My list: 6. Eric Roberts 5. John Simm 4. Michelle Gomez 3. Peter Pratt/Geoffrey Beavers 2. Anthony Ainley 1. Rodger Delgado
@thriddoctor
@thriddoctor 5 жыл бұрын
Rodger is the one true Master.
@brickwho101
@brickwho101 6 жыл бұрын
I’ve never got the hate for John simm. I always thought everyone loved him until recently seeing loads of hate. I’d possibly put him in my second or third place if I’m honest. I thought his over the top portrayal was so dangerous and fun and works so well in contrast of the doctor. Especially Tennant. Like there is that fear the doctor has of knowing he can’t really tame him or control him. Despite also never wanting to stop him for good
@JellyTot799
@JellyTot799 6 жыл бұрын
Love the list, mine is pretty much the same. John Simm could have been great in End of Time if he wasn't trying to be Skeletor. And I think Michelle Gomez would have made a fabulous Rani or Romana, especially with the friend route they took in the show.
@RenegadeGaruda
@RenegadeGaruda 3 жыл бұрын
3) Everybody apart from 2) Anthony Ainley - Master of Memes 1) Roger Delgado - Master of Masters
@davidh7088
@davidh7088 6 жыл бұрын
I'm about to watch this. If Roger Delgado isn't number one I won't be impressed.
@davidh7088
@davidh7088 6 жыл бұрын
All is well.
@purplemanwill250
@purplemanwill250 6 жыл бұрын
Quick question Wingy about John Simm, have you seen some of his other works like the recent TV dramas he’s starred in? And will you do a video or two about them? Because I really enjoy him in just about everything I’ve seen him in :)
@tennumb
@tennumb 6 жыл бұрын
*cough cough* strangers *cough cough*
@beng7716
@beng7716 5 жыл бұрын
Can you rank your 5 favourite master stories.
@angrypacifist5782
@angrypacifist5782 6 жыл бұрын
9: Missy 8: James Dreyfus 7: Anthony Ainley 6: Eric Roberts 5: Derek Jacobi 4: Decayed 3: John Simm 2: Alex MacQueen 1: Roger Delgado
@jeffgalus8454
@jeffgalus8454 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't care much about Missy
@DaydreamerSoul
@DaydreamerSoul 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Wingy what are your thoughts about the new season so far? I would love to see a review just like you did with s10!
@daveshaw2342
@daveshaw2342 2 жыл бұрын
Delgado was my fav . Didnt like john Simm. He was great in life on mars
@juniorona2100
@juniorona2100 6 жыл бұрын
How can i fin the doctor who classic episodes. I am from spain and i can't find them here
@Nikioko
@Nikioko 3 жыл бұрын
You can buy them on DVD or Blu Ray.
@TheSkully343
@TheSkully343 6 жыл бұрын
Everyone knows the best Master was Gordon Tipple.
@lapelcelery42
@lapelcelery42 3 жыл бұрын
He was the best part of every scene he was in.
@TheProfessor230
@TheProfessor230 3 жыл бұрын
@@lapelcelery42 I agree
@nedstark1353
@nedstark1353 4 жыл бұрын
11.eric roberts 10.Jeffrey dreyvos 9.Peter pratt 8.Geoffrey beevers 7.Sasha dwawan 6.alex mcqueen 5.Anthony ainely 4.Michael gomez 3.roger delgado 2.derick jackobi 1.John simm
@crackengeekproductions3843
@crackengeekproductions3843 6 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna add Big Finish into this and count Pratt and Beevers as separate. 8) Roberts. Obvious but I think he was too camp and he let the movie down. I blame him for lack of McGaun series. 7) Pratt. Needed more as he isn't in the single episode he appeared in. Visually arresting but a bit shallow. 6) Gomez. Should not have been the master. I agree with Alex's point of her being a great character but not great master. 5) Jacobi. Just a bit bland for me. Too similar to Delgado. 4) Ainley. Quite hit and miss but I loved his sadism that has been ramped up. But often a bit campy. 3) Beevers. I hate putting him only at three but in my opinion almost every story he's in they constantly bring up the fact the Master is dying which grates on me. But his performance is stellar. 3) Delgado. YES YOU HEARD ME! MY OPINION! Brilliant master and he's completely iconic. I just prefer others. 2) Simm. A great Master who had such presence. Every episode he's in is a complete classic and I love his amazing performance. 1) Macqueen. Great master and he's so brilliant in every story. At times funny and campy then a moment later terrorfying, so multilayered.
@ScaryBaldMan
@ScaryBaldMan 6 жыл бұрын
Can't really argue with your list.
@timshuker1302
@timshuker1302 5 жыл бұрын
From Best to Worst... 1. Derek Jacobi (Big Finish War Master is Epic) 2. Roger Delgado 3. Geoffrey Beevers (Big Finish mostly) 4. Anthony Ainley 5. John Simm (End of Time not good - “Dinner Time”...😱) 6. Peter Pratt 7. Missy (too “good”) 8. Eric Roberts (love the TV movie though and Paul McGann is my favourite Doctor if you include Big Finish. This Master way too Camp though...😱)
@lambdafish291
@lambdafish291 6 жыл бұрын
The best master was clearly Jonathan Pryce and his dalek bumps
@jasongrycewicz278
@jasongrycewicz278 3 жыл бұрын
Roger Delgado had seriously sinister look
@ShrekTheMackem
@ShrekTheMackem 6 жыл бұрын
you have a very similar opinion to me. 1.Roger Delgado 2.Anthony Ainley 3.John Simm 4.Michelle Gomez I haven't watched Deadly assasin yet
@Random-cs5om
@Random-cs5om 4 жыл бұрын
My ranking has to be: 1. Gomez 2. Dhawan 3. Simm 4. Ainley 5. Delgado 6. Pratt 7. Beevers 8. Roberts
@karkatvantas9557
@karkatvantas9557 6 жыл бұрын
Once again, I haven't seen all of them, and I've only seen one story from Ainley (Logopolis), but this is my current ranking: 5. Ainley 4. Simm 3. Pratt/Beevers 2. Gomez 1. Delgado
@saltycola562
@saltycola562 6 жыл бұрын
My favorite Master is the Emrys Jones Master from The Mind Robber... ... ... "I have your dossiers here!"
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