Winners & Losers of The Winter Patch (GGST)

[@aganaom1712]

Don't give zato players an inch. Ever

[@TheEverFreeKing]

We low tier now, Lord Daisuke give us buffs, let us use at least three more frogs worth of Meter🙏 Make our shark super an invincible reversal 🙏 Increase the speed of our summons and make drill last about 1.5 seconds more in holding them in place 🙏

[@ryanflipski3297]

@@TheEverFreeKing also C.s anti air pls and make 2s disjointed 😳

[@grafh2732]

If you give Zato downplayers a hand they will take a leg, don't do it.

[@fadingdecay]

Idk man, he’s pretty mid now. The power creep is real

[@-ITH]

Seriously

[@TheJbrown60]

@@fadingdecay dont start

[@TheEverFreeKing]

@@TheJbrown60 nah of course we're going down into low tier it's a struggle, wish we were good like Sol we need some more buffs 😔✊ Daisuke please zato needs it 🙏

[@HellecticMojo]

@@fadingdecay mid is good. When will people realize that mid is the ideal state for a character?

[@Tomatonator]

Nago finally became the character he was always supposed to be. I love him, and I couldn’t be more happy with the changes

[@chemar2778]

I don't really see how sol was buffed, 5h still whiffs against the green bubble in the corner, it only works midscreen. His 6s ch reward is definitely a hit and 6s is -9 on block now. 6s is also less hit confirmable now at disjoint range because of the attack level changes. Gunflame is way more minus but slightly faster, recovery is the same so take it as you will. He's also a character was definitely dependentent on building risc, so system changes don't really benefit him, and on top of that his best frametrap starter (5h) got a protation hit.

[@Gonzakoable]

I think sol pressure definately got buffed, before you'd FD it a lot more easily and make 5h whiff by holding FD so sol couldnt target fuzzies with said frametrap. He may have stronger pressure but I find the 6S nerf to be unninstall worthy. They literally gave us a character QOL balance and kneecaped sols neutral for it.

[@Gonzakoable]

@Noire D. Blackman gunflames - 10 now

[@aganaom1712]

high level players tend to value stability in neutral and pressure over outright damage potential and even conversionability sol is more stable in neutral now because he has options that are harder to stuff out and the gaps in some of his offensive pressure have been tightened up. and his pressure has improved at a fundamental level because he can frame trap with 5H more effectively as well as use it more often to end pressure somewhat safely i disagree that he's net buffed overall and i argue a lot of players over value how much mileage sol is actually getting out of buffed 5H and additionally i would argue those same players are underselling how much access to damage sol has lost without meter. what i have noticed is that a lot of the players that are saying sol is buffed tend to be players that use low guts characters that have better neutral tools than sol does so the damage that sol lost here isn't as noticeable to them as it is for players who use characters with better defense i will say however that i do understand why people are making the argument even if i don't agree with it

[@BrowneVisuals]

he's 100% nerfed again

[@chemar2778]

@@BrowneVisuals He's unquestionable worse

[@lowkeyajax]

For once actually agree with the zato downplay. All his problem matchups either barely got touched or got significant buffs. And the one top tier matchup he did well in got nerfed anyway so his value goes down there too.

[@HeyitsFlightJ]

i see more people complaining about zato downplayers than actual zato downplayers these days

[@АртёмТор-к2ю]

Yes, because arcsys hate zato.

[@herbbirb3766]

@@АртёмТор-к2ю Lmfao. They loved him for like a decade and a half before they dumped him and made him bottom tier in every game. A return to top/high tier is a return to normalcy for him

[@cavendish2925]

@@АртёмТор-к2ю You're not a GG oldhead if you think Arcsys hates Zato lol.

[@mirror2922]

@@cavendish2925 honestly not even just guilty gear puppet characters despite being my favorite to learn minus negative edging (mechanics) have ALWAYS been the ones with the most warcrime level offense known to man.. The only reason people deny it is so they can commit the warcrime for free cough anybody remember blazblue calamity trigger Carl Clover?

[@hakumenx1]

Was nago really nerfed if people still cant block?

[@griffinham]

Anji got a snack which is very nice.

[@Mythicalmage]

The testament clickbait is real.

[@sylascole5254]

Comment section getting smoked by Zato's lately I see.

[@SoMuchNoise1]

Surprised to see we didn’t hear anyone mention Testament. Were the changes less impactful than expected?

[@_Deez]

I would say so. Everyone was expecting Testament to be gigabuffed and turn into a bullet hell character but the Grave Reaper change basically amounted to being a decent QOL change. It only affects whiffed Reapers and is nice because if you use charged Reaper you aren't locked out of Reaper for like 3 seconds. There is also less downtime between Reapers, but it's really only noticeable when going into H Reaper, but the problem stems from Test not wanting to whiff Reaper too much cause of how big their hurtbox becomes, plus 6P is still their AA of choice. I think it does give H Reaper more presence tho. The 2H change is deff the bigger one, and it's been rather interesting for what it's doing for their pressure/conversions, but it also isn't a huge buff. Just a good one. Not enough to put them with the winners of the patch.

[@barbedwings]

@@_Deez big agree for all this. It's a QOL change, but much less impactful than people expected in most matchups.

[@notmyfullname598]

@@_Deez I think it makes a big difference when playing testament, the fireball change allows you to be in alot less danger against characters with moving low profile moves that stop you from using crow on block

[@notmyfullname598]

Also they put testament in the thumbnail clickbait smh

[@_Deez]

@notmyfullname598 Speaking as a Testament player since they launched (and with opinions from quite a couple Testament players) it really doesn't make much of difference. In the situation you described, you'd have to whiff S Reaper (remember the change only affects whiffed Reapers) into crow, which is over a second of you committing to a big hurtbox expanding move into a slow projectile, and if doing S Reaper again is to counter the low profile move right after, you could've done that prepatch. S Reaper still whiffs slowly. If the opponent were to block the initial S Reaper, than it's exactly the same situation as it was prepatch. Whiffing S Reaper isn't something Testament wants to do unless it's charged to control space. Agreed about the clickbait

[@SRN_RL]

Idk how Gio changes compare to the other buffs but she's way way way way way more fun to play now.

[@Pejinkajink]

I know it’s the classic, but my boy Ky got left in the dust. His harder matchups Faust, Axl, even Pot, got worse. Testament and Bridget (matchups he did fine in) feel terrible now and even the other strike throw characters got better (besides Sol) Gio/may. He yet again just does not have that ‘Strive factor’ he has no “oh but once he gets xyz it’s over” which so many characters have. I genuinely believe his midrange needs to be buffed tremendously if they want him to have the riskiest offense in the game. So many characters control the screen/pace better than him.

[@aganaom1712]

delayed post comment comment cuz i forgot to tell tene (and knight) what he neglected to consider about sol's changes similar to what he said about zato many of sol's matchups got harder for him in this patch purely by virtue of the fact that their buffs are more meaningful than the buffs sol got. outside of less than five characters, all of sol's matchups got harder as for zato: sol, it's annoying for sol (i can't say for zato) but it's far from the biggest problem mu he has to deal with so it's kind of not worth the attention when he's got worse things to deal with atm. also i think you guys are over valuing sol's 5H buff but i think that stems primarily from both of you being primarily used to low defense characters so the damage that he lost which is now locked behind meter doesn't matter as much to you guys since your characters die so fast already. (though, knight is playing baiken more so he doesn't have as much of an excuse on that end beyond i guess he just doesn't like sol's frame traps in general?)

[@magma55100]

Tene used to be a Sol player so your last argument is mute on his end. Don't forget he was 3rd at Evo with Sol.

[@Aerynnh]

Zato is still great. He's slightly down a bit but still great. But I do think he's worse than a lot of people say. He's like bottom of high tier for me.

[@2ndai385]

Pot was nerfed by other characters being better

[@kelmo7812]

🗿

[@BrowneVisuals]

His normals are OD now though

[@HellecticMojo]

I'd only say that about Axl and Bridget. Goldlewis matchup is actually playable now due to HS actually beating 684BT at long ranges. Nago straight up dies to basically even the most baby tier combos and confirms now if at high blood.

[@thikdikriky1559]

Cmon the zato mains eat 😤

[@BlueDragon7100]

Beastcoast, can we get Lord Tene a better camera? LK is in 720p and Jonathan is in 360p. I didn't realize I had my video in 1080p to begin with

[@ItzTally]

we early

[@ErrorGaming64]

If May can have -3 dolphin, chipp can have -3 rekka 1

[@BrowneVisuals]

Chipps minus on hit LOOOOL

[@coolfish420]

buff nago

[@kahsaiharmon15]

Algorithm comment

[@BrowneVisuals]

The problems with the patch for me was HC + Ram not getting nerfed. Leo/May getting buffed and Bridget/Testament getting overtuned. They are both hell to play against now. Thanks Arcsys.

[@devilcwesker5980]

Testament is mid character, hc got buffed and bridget is overtunned

[@LadyViolet1]

Ram got some tangible nerfs in that she no longer gets a hard knockdown with 5P 6P Rekka and they essentially reduced the range that she gets a hard knockdown off f.S by removing f.S rekka hard knockdown, but gave her f.S 2H (2H can whiff where rekka won't) c.S/5K j.214S hard knockdown or if in range of the corner she can of course use a sword toss at some point into a wall break. The damage off rekka was also reduced. The biggest change is that her mashing option isn't as good away from the corner, everything else is kind of inconsequential. It's OK if you think she wasn't nerfed enough, but she was nerfed.

[@hakumenx1]

@Devil C Wesker this dude really said test is mid lmao

[@BrowneVisuals]

​@@devilcwesker5980 Testament is not mid nowhere near, he doesn't even need to use normals because his projectiles have no frame recovery and beat 6p/DP. Any cancel into projectile is a true block string, there is insane pushback so even in minus frames he has advantage. Sin, a new character has less range and high recovery on his normals but ram & testament/bridget do not. The balancing does not even make sense at this point.

[@BrowneVisuals]

@@LadyViolet1 She never should of got HKD from Rekkas in the first place or the damage, OR even mid screen combos when her corner pressure is the best in the game. She still has busted normals with no recovery, Agresa Ordono her air special still busted AF with no counter play to it, Calvados does the most damage as a super, guard breaks and it +16 on block. This character is poorly designed and the changes were negligible, she's still top 3.