WIP: comm system + MCC

[@StressfullGold93]

Replace those voices with real recorded voices please, they don't sound good

[@bantustv1178]

As they say nobody and nothing is perfect really but I've to congratulate the Flight Factor team for the hardworking. I understand this is a WIP and by time they'll be an improvements. Cheers 🍻

[@softreset82]

I was just about to congratulate the FF team on finally figuring out how to do holds on the A320, 4-years after the product was released. But clearly, the magnum opus is going to be this stuff right here!

[@flightfactor]

as we explained. we will be happy to let the community rerecord the sounds after the release, or suggest a better voice from somewhere.

[@softreset82]

@@flightfactor Where is that explained in this video?

[@flightfactor]

@@softreset82 not in the video of course. But we wrote about it before.

[@Aleksandar6ix]

@@flightfactor what a fantastic idea! Thanks for adding some good immersion to help us feel more like a crew.

[@CJbrinkman602]

Since this is using TTS, is there a way you can get it to say the name of the airline when you do PA calls? I would just add to the realism. Maybe add the query to the FMC someplace

[@jordanos.biggus]

Not a fan, definitely a feature I won't be using

[@taysidedelta4725]

Although not a fan of the voices, please keep up the hard work guys the modeling and everything is looking fantastic. Can't wait to see where this goes 😀 you are all doing great!

[@Aleksandar6ix]

aparently, we will be able to record our own / community voice shares.

[@epictetus9766]

Computer generated voices sound utterly rubbish. Also, the phraseology is very strange “we need the door closing”, “undoubtedly”. Also, I don’t think the crew call the Captain “Sir”.

[@flightfactor]

The phrases and answers are very randomized and sometimes it sound weird. can be refined. The AI voice is what we can do for now.

[@cageordie]

Hopefully there's a freighter. Chatting with the crew is not for me.

[@luisargerich6343]

Sorry but the voices are awful and I'm really disappointed the team is spending time in this shenanigans and even doing them at an amateur level, really love the FF planes, please please focus in the planes. The cockpit textures for example look really bad in this preview.

[@flightfactor]

We will be happy for a suggestion of an AI voice (for the captain) which you guys like better.

[@thisurlisoriginal]

@Cold Hearted Basterd living up to your name! 😂

[@simmingszycho1980]

@@flightfactor i bet many real people would be more than happy to lend their voices for this project. Anything better than this god awful sounding >€£%#

[@gordonbennett9691]

Very exciting? Close to release? 🙏

[@ahmetfarukyalcn2874]

I dont like it . I believe you make better then this. But please focus on the aircraft

[@majelaalves]

Very cool !! Waiting for the cargo version !!👏👏

[@raulaubele7240]

Well, the interaction with the crew is really a nice touch but i see the 3D virtual cockpit graphics a bit flat, not as good as they could be, looks like the current 777 versión but may be because is a wip, also the windshields are like if they are not there, we are in 2022 guys, the graphics details must be really accurate, take a look at the Fenix, you can achieve this level of detail in the incoming FF 777 for sure, no doubt of this, go ahead FF devs!.

[@ramtinnazari4435]

Nice, can we fly the 777 V2 this summer?

[@Aviate68]

Wow....what a disappointment.......something I'll probably never use because it's a weird ai voice.....what a shame. The voice is literally just a port from the old 777. Hope the rest of the airplane is up to a higher standard.

[@ramzzess]

Unlike the old voices these are state of the art AI voices, the best money can buy today. As for the feature, I think you will change your mind when you see the who thing in action. Airlines and MCC go hand in hand

[@Aviate68]

@@ramzzess Thanks for educating me! I was not aware that these were state-of-the-art AI voices! Reading your comment actually made me laugh out loud. To me, it sounded like a port from the old 777 with some changes; I am 99% sure that the pilot's voice is the EXACT same. Maybe, like me, you don't bother with that stupid voice to begin with, so you may have forgotten what it sounds like. I could be wrong about the other voices; maybe they are new. This does not change the fact that they are still, in fact, AI voices. I am not interested in listening to or using these terrible voice lines if this is what the final product will sound like. To me, it completely kills my immersion and adds absolutely nothing to MCC, but that is my personal opinion. I wonder how much it would cost to divert the money spent on these "best-that-money-can-buy" voices towards paying literally anyone with some background in aviation to sit down, pretend to be a pilot or a ground handler, and record some actual voiceover lines to be used in the product....just a thought. Good try on justifying it, though, but I will guarantee you that I will not be changing my mind on whether I like or dislike the AI voices... This is an absolute joke compared to what DCS has done with their voiced UI interaction on their aircraft.

[@ramzzess]

@@Aviate68 I am sorry I that sounded condescending, wasn't meant to be. I would not dream of "educating" anyone and of course you are free to dislike what you want. But still, it seems that you have not read carefully what we are doing. First of all, of those AI voices are totally different and are the best we could find. If you have a suggestion for AI voices which we missed, go ahead, I will be happy to use better ones. As for real recorded voices, which of course sound better than AI, as we said many times before. It is unreliable and unchangeable (a n artist will not support additions and changes forever), it is much much more expensive - to answer your question, it would literary costs tens of thousands of dollars record. At the moment, we already have 5000 separate meaningful phrases with 1000 of those having 3-20 variants, in total about 10K phrases between 4 characters. it is also a work in progress, so it would be ineffective to use 4 real people now in any case. Also, if you have missed that. As a response to customers not liking the captain's voice, we have chosen an alternative which will be an options. This was done by a poll. As for voices not adding to MCC, I am not sure what MCC is without voice. 99% of MCC is verbal

[@Aviate68]

@@ramzzess that was very informative! I did now know that. Will look forward to the finished product. My comment on MCC was stating that personally hearing an unrealistic sounding ai voice takes me out of the cockpit and ensures that I am aware that this is just a sim...where the goal might be to create as realistic of a feeling as possible the ai voice would defeat that goal for me personally. As I said I'm sure others will have a different opinion.

[@ramzzess]

@@Aviate68 Well, humans are very good in pretending. That's why we are so good in playing games, simulating things etc. obviously the closer the thing to reality the easier it is, but we do the best we can

[@simwingsfi9720]

hmm gotta fly more 767 to get myself ready and warmed up for this baby

[@camiloelavionero]

Very cool, continue with hard work!

[@DasPenguin85]

You guys really need to just record some real voices. This 1990s Bonzai Buddy stuff needs to go. Yesterday.

[@flightfactor]

we might letter on.

[@emersonreinaNG]

Estoy muy ancioso por ver este avion terminado y volarlo, es mi heavy favorito y se que FF hara un exelente trabajo ya que es el unico que se ha puesto la camisa del 777 para Xplane. Felicitaciones y sigan por favor.

[@Dimkeee]

when can we buy it?? 😭😭😭

[@ericbabin2162]

Just speed up the voice a bit and lower the tone, it might sound more realistic. Nice job on the aircraft btw!

[@flightfactor]

we might still replace the captains voice, ya'l seem to have negative feelings towards him

[@nickyboi7964]

Cringe voice ... same sounds

[@stefan_ar]

please just focus on the actual plane

[@SimCrashFlyer]

Nice!! Love to Detail

[@MiscellaneousFlight]

Thats ALOT of crew! And two of them are about to kiss lol.

[@lewis8407]

Sounds are shocking

[@Marquito89]

777 is my favourite aircraft and eventhough I‘m a simmer since long time I‘ve never flown a 777 on a sim. Please FF, really please, don‘t fuck it up. If this is gonna be like the A350, I will cry. But I‘m still worried about the Perf Calculatoon, you don‘t really do that. On the 767 and probably 757 too, there is no Sel Temp, on the A320 no Flex Temp and no V1… Please bring it on this time

[@Ozieneercs]

not fan at all of doing all non aircraft related features through the FMS.., all service / ground stuff exterior to the aircraft should be on the EFB!

[@planespottingmore9130]

deafult 747 from xp11 look better, very dissapointing

[@sameerali_18]

👍

[@Nicolas-ol7jl]

So many purser voices and the plane climbs like 8000 ft/min haha

[@ramzzess]

how can you possibly know? The plane has not been shown in air even yet. Also, and btw, the real one can climb almost as fast under the right circumstances

[@cule2160]

useless features like this is what delays the release.

[@flightfactor]

of course not

[@b-squad184]

Can you say is the comeing out in a moth or 2

[@SHMEEKR]

Since 2016 you guys have been talking about your V2. Now your V2 includes horrible AI features which simmers aren't looking for with an absolute rubbish cockpit...What were you doing for 6 years guys. Disappointing... Go get tips from Fenix

[@ramzzess]

Can you be more specific on the cockpit

[@enrico4152]

@@ramzzess In the video you can see that the startup somehow only lasts 2 seconds. In the real plane it takes 2 minutes from the moment the power comes on until the moment all the screens light up, and the sounds are absolutely unrealistic. Instead of equipment cooling fans, you hear some kind of whining that doesn't exist in the real aircraft. I hope that this is still being worked on, because if not, it's a real disappointment. The yoke trim switches are too big. The white part of the engine fuel lever are not visible during normal operation, and so on.

[@enrico6415]

@@enrico4152 References: pbs.twimg.com/media/BZ19ipzCMAAWOd7.jpg ; live.staticflickr.com/1462/24360284079_650dce23ae_b.jpg ; kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5KahZ6YjNyUlbM

[@ramzzess]

@@enrico4152 I guess I need to stop posting WIP stuff. There are NO sounds in this video, except voices. Startup is indeed between 2-5 minutes

[@enrico4152]

@@ramzzess Well then write it into your description, you just wrote: "Don't mind the main displays and the sounds", I'm sorry for critizing WIP sounds, but the rest of my points would be valid then, like startup duration, model and texture issues. Perhaps write something like "Don't mind the whole airplane except the MCC and the comm system as it's still being worked on"

[@hansgrietjes7310]

Classic X-Plane!! :-)

[@aladeenwadiya2709]

2/3 of the community doesn’t care about such ai voices, we have 3Jcabinsound for that. Such stupid unnecessary things which people hate are eating alot of the release date time. Take some notes from REAL developers like Fenix and Inibuilds. Instead of getting in denial and not listening to the customers.

[@ramzzess]

There seems to be a total misunderstanding of what is going on here. First, none of those features change the release date, the bottleneck is now the FMS and autopilot so this has nothing to do with release time. Second, this is not cabinsound, or any other plugin to simulate life in the cabin, this is a full training level MCC vocalization system with, probably, voice control in the future. This means full interaction with the crew, including procedures where "half" the work is done by the copilot. MCC in real life is mostly about communication and it can't be done without voices. MCC us a big part of airline reality which has not yet been covered in the sim. Finally, I am not sure what does "REAL developers" means exactly but we have been on the market for 13 years now, 3 of our core team are actual airline pilots (a320 and b777) and instructors. We have 10 (B777, B787 and a320) consultants and mechanics working with us day to day, and we have models used in actual pilot training - if this is not real enough then I am sorry.

[@aladeenwadiya2709]

@@ramzzess That you are 13 years on the market doesn’t mean you are “perfect”. Look at a350 what a mess it was, and still is. people where getting terrible performance on the FFa320 and reporting it to your team, however back then your team would get in denial that everything was pefect with the performance and that the problem was with people their pc. In the end you did optimize it without being right that it had good performance. Fenix A320 works also with real life airliner pilots. You are trolling people almost 10+ years with that kind of dissapointing 777. I am not talking about the modelment and texturing, i am talking about the management within your team!

[@ramzzess]

@@aladeenwadiya2709 Who and where has ever claimed that our airplanes are perfect ? The 8050 had a issue with crushing for several years which we have been trying to fall, and indeed in the end solved. We were always honest about that. The a320 was always heavy on the frames due to the shier amount of calculation as it is a full sim, with its own dynamics. We were always honest about that. We said we will try to optimize it and we did. Great for as all. What about the 777 and what 10 years? The v2 has been announced less than a year ago. Where is the issue? The v1 has been out for 12 years and used to be one of the best products at its time, since then we have been lowering its price gradually as it becomes older. We have always been open an honest about our plans. We even give models names to suggest how deep they will be. I think the problem is that some users, do not take the e time to read in detail what we say, but relay on hearsay and rumors on the forums. I do not think that any of the released models at the moment are anywhere bellow what we promised. Including the 350 and 777v1. Unless you expected that the 2012 v1 will be updated through 4 major XP versions. Btw, none of the models on the market now where promised to work for xp12 but all will

[@aladeenwadiya2709]

@@ramzzess learn from the FenixA320.

[@ramzzess]

@@aladeenwadiya2709 Please do not suggest I look at other models, especially built for a different sim. If you have specific features or bugs you want to discuss, I am happy to address these. I guess the question of real recordings has been answered? 10K phrases is not something easily recorded

[@PilotElias]

Utterly useless stuff. These AI voices might‘ve been up to date in 2016, but it‘s 2022. This rather seems like something a student did in his free time than an actual high fidelity aircraft. Have fun charging 120$ for AI voices, FF.

[@ramzzess]

You seem to be missing the point completely. We are not charging extra for the voices, and your price tag is taken out of nowhere. We are simulating MCC processes which are basically verbal interaction and checks. I have ask the community many times to offer us an alternative to those, payware, generated voices. So far, the only idea is, "hire actors". which might be doable but only after its all done, due to "vendor lock"