Wish’s Animation is Bad and it’s Spider-Verse's Fault

[@ianstephenson1641]

"Spider-Man, why'd you make Wish's animation terrible?" "I didn't, they're talking crazy."

[@supercreativehandlename]

“I did my own thing, and then they did my thing.”

[@tristaneidson7353]

"alright, i went back in time to fix wish's bad animation!" "Miles, its a cannon event."

[@supercreativehandlename]

@@tristaneidson7353 should’ve gone back in time to the first thankgiving to get turkeys, off the menu

[@f2p-setto508]

@@supercreativehandlenameThat’s right, we’re going back in time, to the first thanksgiving to get turkeys OFF the MENU

[@godzillasaurus1127]

@@f2p-setto508 Are we going back in time to the first Thanksgiving to get turkeys off the menu?

[@MrStatement]

I don't think this is Spiderverse's fault but rather Disney's fault for learning the wrong lessons from those movies.

[@LilQuaser]

yeah exactly

[@AJedits65]

Okay now that’s a just force way for generic Disney hate boner also it’s nether Disney or spider verse’s fault it’s the audience for asking more animated projects to be more like spider verse so they do it and people got tried of it even though they asked for it it happened with 3d animation

[@jameshenry9157]

Making Animation can be confusing 😣

[@DrGiggleTouch67]

Ain't no way the Mario Flower is here 💀

[@VermillionRed]

​@@AJedits65it IS Disneys fault, the creators of the movie wanted it to be 2D animated but they were forced to make it 3D

[@j-2-da-man932]

I can’t take another Shrek situation where a movie did something really good but then everyone copied it poorly, which made everyone think that the original movie that did this thing was bad.

[@LilQuaser]

Yeah fr that's a great comparison

[@bowenjudd1028]

What did shrek do anyways?

[@elmaionesosexo]

​@@bowenjudd1028Probably the spoof/parody aspect were they're making fun of the tropes

[@j-2-da-man932]

@@elmaionesosexo Not to mention all the crass humor that you find in most animated movies that I’m pretty sick and tired of.

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Shrek 3 exists though

[@BelleDraws-i5d]

While puss in boots the last wish had the spiderverse approach with its vibrant colors, I think what made it somehow different is the oil painting texture while spiderverse has that comic book texture. Both are done the same way yet so different. Wish on the other hand looks like sofia the first

[@jayyjamm]

Puss in boots reminded me of the old fairy tail books that had those pretty and dainty artworks that I used to read! Both films did wonderful jobs on portraying storybooks and comics visually well.

[@80sDisneyFan]

Don't diss my girl Sofia like that Sofia the First is actually good.

[@BelleDraws-i5d]

@@80sDisneyFan and sofia the first actually know how to make villains. Not Mr. Cedric tho, he's a good guy

[@linatwoones]

And Sofia the First songs are absolute bops

[@hayond656]

​​@@80sDisneyFan It's funny, I just watched an Hour long video about why Cedric from that Show is a great character, and that the show itself is good Now I'm starting to notice people talking about it

[@saladglove]

I completely agree, that not enough people are understanding that all the films *inspired* by spiderverse are NOT the same style. They all have their own unique style, something that disney seems to not understand. Wish is so strange, because their change in style is so minuscule that I almost failed to realise they changed anything when I saw the trailer.

[@BestOneEver247]

have you seen the animated short *Paperman* by any chance?

[@jayshae24]

i have@@BestOneEver247

[@caylya7869]

Not all films are inspired by spider-verse though. Arcane wasn’t.

[@hollowwoods7130]

​@@caylya7869they never said that

[@sylentnote]

I didn’t notice a “style change” per se, but something did feel off. Disney normally has complex shading and lighting with a lot of other details but I saw the trailer snd it looked really flat except for the magic scenes with the evil guy

[@designerxgamer]

Wish's animation isn't bad, but feels unreasonable when it cost 200 million

[@LilQuaser]

true, i think disney's crazy budgets are mostly because they're animated in America and include executive salaries

[@designerxgamer]

@@LilQuaser also I heard Wish animations looks unfinished and one KZbinr @Aldone said it look like a typical show from Disney Junior

[@yourtrashtalkingbro9118]

@@designerxgamer It looks like that Disney jr show Sofia the First

[@Itskaidaorangeguy2017]

@@yourtrashtalkingbro9118that’s EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@designerxgamer]

@@yourtrashtalkingbro9118 same

[@Oreofluffle]

What spider verse taught us is that animation didn’t have to just stick to the status quo. Disney just saw those successful movies who got the memo and butchered it, thinking that since everyone was loving this sort of “unique animation” they’d get praise, instead making Wish look like a unfinished render.

[@sarcasticat6979]

Literally. There was a scene in the Wish trailer that I honestly thought looked like it belongs in a "deleted scenes" reel...

[@nasta1exe]

FR!! what makes spiderverse amazing is how the movies (both) play with the boundaries and the laws, of their art style, stories, characters and all! this is why they're so amazing! and sadly it looks like disney did not understand it, they just copied the style...

[@monkeychief1904]

Exactly!!!

[@ggraphicai]

took the words right outta my mouth!

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

We could debate all day about how the Spiderverse animators were mistreated and overworked, but at the end of the day, the animation of those films and the work put into them cannot be understated. The sheer artistry on display with them and the way they highlight the storytelling is incredible. I always love watching movies where you can see how much work and love went into it. My problem with Wish’s animation is not that I doubt how much work went into it but that it looks unfinished. It looks very unpolished and like the animators were rushed somehow. Every movement and character looks like a third draft rather than a final one. It just feels and looks weird. When you’ve been spoiled by the best, you’re not going to be as lenient when it comes to a cheap copycat. Disney just continues to repeat its same mistakes and taking the wrong lessons from Spiderverse’s success.

[@nuotatorre8741]

I've recently seen the trailer for Wish at the cinema and I can tell you it looks a 100 times better than on YT's compressed format. You could count all the frekles on Asha's face and in general it was much richer and nicer.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

I think a big problem is that these stylized animated films are generally utilizing choppier frame-rates to imitate the look of hand-drawn cartoons, but a studio like Disney has never really done anything like that before. Nearly all of their output has had really fluid and polished animation and its gone down to define their overall image, so combining that with the water colored styled aesthetic, flatter-looking backgrounds, and a lack of natural lighting just makes the whole thing come across as cheap-looking.

[@zacharynguyen7286]

Hope everyone doing good and staying safe. If you need to talk to someone or need help, there are people who care. Sending support and hearts. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@copypasta1585]

​@@geoffreyrichards6079 pretty ironic considering how much influence Disney has historically had on 2D hand-drawn animation. It was their whole thing, once upon a time

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

@@copypasta1585 Correction: they did have a significant influence on 2D animation, but not this particular style with choppier frame rates. This new style prides itself on emulating the crudeness of the craft, similar to stop-motion and anime. Disney’s attempt at emulating that is like seeing them drop their fluid animation in exchange for imitating the style of Hanna-Barbara; it just wouldn’t look right.

[@smugbowkid9919]

This is why the endless praise of Spiderverse’s artstyle rubbed me the wrong way. I’m all for amazing animation, but some people were talking about how this is the “right way” and how it “shows the flaws of other modern animation,” which just led to people assuming that the “right style” is to do it that way.

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

same here

[@adriancazares205]

One of the messages of the movie is to find what's best for you and doing things your own way, while it's good to be inspired it kinda killed originality

[@VermillionRed]

Well it was supposed to be 2D, it got changed to 3D so Disney could easily change the animation incase there were late script changes. The whole thing abot spiderverse being the right way started because everyone was tired of basically every 3D animated film looking the exact same. Now while many new films are inspired by it, you can see they are very different in how they approach and utilise their style. Mutant Mayhem, Puss in Boots and Spiderverse look incredibly different from eachother

[@m1zushi]

Yeah all of them have different tones, brush strokes and artstyles different from each other. It's Disney's fault that Wish looks like shit because they're greedy

[@puppiekit]

People praising it for doing things right does not mean "everybody should be doing this specific style", it means "everybody should be experimenting with animation instead of going for the same few lame styles / techniques". People like spiderverse because they did something new and original. Not because they want every animated movie ever to become a visual clone. That goes against like the entire appeal

[@theillusionist1494]

“Spiderverse was the Breath of the Wild of 3D animation” has been my favorite sentence to say for years.

[@Mapleleaf865]

Breath of the wild was a game though

[@Chromeno]

​@@Mapleleaf865And spiderverse is animation. What is your point?

[@sfericzox2932]

@@Mapleleaf865 'breath of the wild OF 3D ANIMATION' congratulations at reading comprehension

[@Guy-cb1oh]

You're right. Like Breath of the Wild, Spiderverse didn't do anything innovative but everyone likes like it did.

[@prod.kilvkrxcksxlvd8183]

@@Guy-cb1ohBOTW followed a formula story-wise, but created a whole new aesthetic art-wise, creating a LOT of clones (most notably Genshin Impact)

[@OneOfRainbows]

I’m glad someone finally acknowledged this. People want 2D Animation back, but the style died because everyone was more into 3D animation when it was born, 2D movies didn’t do well anymore so the studios had to change, and it feels like it’s repeating again. Besides SpiderVerse isn’t the first movie to have that style, it’s kind of irritating that most people call anything 2D/3D SpiderVerse Style.

[@ikennanana]

If I’m not mistaken, I’m sure the peanuts movie pulled off this style before spider verse

[@SoupCannonier]

yooo, y'all remember treasure planet?

[@Turtlenaide]

Have you seen the dragon ball super hero’s movie ? Fire!

[@annoying_HK_guy]

​@@ikennanana Yeah...... And no one talk about it hurt me because I enjoyed the film

[@donutstudios6353]

@@ikennananathey didn't even pull off the same style

[@ABitofEpicness]

It was the same problem Disney had with Chicken Little where they were trying to ride off Dreamworks innovation but they failed to realize what made their movies so special They only see the surface level of what makes these movies so popular but they could be so much more

[@Nightlizard1564]

💯 hit it on the nail

[@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim2918]

Chickle little is a classic!

[@traviscunningham7062]

Madagascar is better. 🦁

[@rhythmicmusicswap4173]

a classic trash?? @@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim2918

[@EvokerInvokerble]

The same problem Disney has with sequels too

[@IntercodeStudios]

First of all. Spider-Verse's Animation Style was unique. It's specifically Disneys fault for choosing the same Animation Style just because they thought it would succeed.

[@Nightlizard1564]

Thing is that the style doesn’t work if Disney isn’t actually gonna put fourth the effort. That’s why movies like last wish, Mitchell’s, and mutant mayhem were soo great was because they took that style and did something unique with it. Wish just feels plain if that makes sense

[@Pie_slays]

Yeah like the comment above me said, each movie is still different like Michele's vs The Machines was animated as if Katie had edited everything.

[@IntercodeStudios]

Indeed.@@choco_milk3358

[@Personontheinterne]

​​@@choco_milk3358wdym they look totally different. The artstyle of that movie was made so that it looked like the turtles themselves doodled every character (hence why the humans all look misshapen and imperfect) and filled it in with marker. You can say what you want about the storyboard Spiderverse and Mutant Mayhem look nothing alike. I'd argue the only things they have in common are smear frames and a low frame rate.

[@mid1237]

fax

[@squiddler7731]

Apparently the Luma-esque star character in Wish was originally going to be a genie-like prince character that was explicitly 2D animated, instead of 3D computer animation like everyone else. And because he was also going to be mute, he would've communicated through animation, transforming in a whole manor of creative ways to mime out his thoughts.

[@squiddler7731]

I think there was a genuine desire in there somewhere with Wish to create a style reminiscent of classic 2D animation, but just like this idea, it got smothered by corporate Disney wanting something cheaper or easier to market or whatever

[@SweetOrangeGirl]

That would’ve been awesome to have!

[@darkinddreamer]

THAT makes sense! I remember 5 or 6 years ago when they first started talking about their next animated film and how it would be a return to cell animation combined with 3-D cgi.. when we finally got the first teaser for Wish I was a bit confused because I saw cgi trying to BE 2-D with backgrounds that did look like Snow White matte paintings.. but it still didn't feel like a return to cell animation. Hearing that the Star was orignally going to be hand drawn makes it all make sense. I REALLY don't like the Luma star design and just feels cheap and TOTALLY like LUMA from Mario Galaxy.

[@Eramor]

​@@darkinddreamerit reminds me of that one scrapped Disney movie of a man and his shadow. With the Mc being 3d and his shadow being 2d

[@_enki]

i have a guess they prolly scrapped that character design because of its similarities to Sandy from Rise of the Guardians (mute character that communicates via animating his gold sands) or Morph the pink blob from Treasure Planet (which is a far more believable reference to the Star thing because while it can make noises, it morphs itself to communicate).

[@noahalien4665]

i think it's actually ironic how disney followed the "right themes" in that Spiderverse looks like a comic, Mitchell's looks like a sketchbook, Nimona looks like medieval painting, and Wish looks like the bland uninspired mind of a Disney executive

[@flarestriker2005]

Also, Puss In Boots The Last Wish looks like an oil painting that depicts scenes from fairytales while TMNT Mutant Mayhem looks like grafitti art commonly seen in New York.

[@dumblehades]

I’ve never considered things “Spider-Man style.” I’ve considered them “stylized” and I believe that Spider-Man created an animation revolution, but never should these movies be a “Spider-Man style rip off”

[@arissamazumder]

same I always called the style "2.5d" or "painted cgi"

[@Personontheinterne]

Petition to change "Spiderverse artstyle" to just "stylistic animation" or "2.5D animation". Those fit much better

[@LilQuaser]

Love that

[@benneeds_a_name7398]

Oh this actually works wonderfully

[@muggerrock2969]

Imma start using 2.5D

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

It's really called painted cgi

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

now that makes sense

[@JoshyMcSquashy_Reviews]

Hard to believe that WIsh's budget is 200M, it feels unjustifiable when SpiderVerse, Puss In Boots 2 and TMNTMM were all made with or less than a 100M budget

[@thiefkingparsley576]

i wouldnt be surprised if most of the 200m was going to executive's salaries lol

[@TuboCremesi]

Spider-Verse is animated in Canada and TMNT in France and Canada. Puss in Boots in the USA, but it is no coincidence that DreamWorks has announced that from 2025 it will no longer create animation entirely in-house. Wish's budget is actually right, regardless of the quality. Except that Hollywood's costs are too high, probably one day even Disney and Pixar will move production to Canada (Disney opened an office in Vancouver last year, but only for the Tiana and Moana series, for now).

[@ChelCM03]

I heard the Wishing Star in the movie was originally gonna be 2D which would have been AMAZING. But Disney keeps doing things for the wrong reasons. Spiderverse, Puss in Boots, Nimona, TMNT, etc... all chose to do more stylized animation for thematic reasons. Disney did it to cash in on the popular art style, and now that the movie has been released, it didn't pay off the way they hoped

[@mickeycobbler4451]

Spider- Verse's style worked because it reflected the story it was trying to tell. It looked like a comic book come to life because it was about a superhero. Another good show that I think took notes from Spider- Verse was Arcane. The characters are 3D with painted backgrounds but instead of looking like a comic book, it takes inspiration from video game effects. Because Arcane is inspired by League of Legends, a video game. I feel like Disney should've made Wish 2D, since it's about wishing on a star which is such a classic fairytale concept, and classic disney fairytales were 2D. Not all animation has to look the same

[@arissamazumder]

Or if Disney wanted to try it, they could make some elements of the movie in hand-drawn animation, to go with the concept.

[@adi2601]

I had the opportunity to meet the directors of spiderverse at a director's panel my school had. They were talking about this exact issue that the animation industry now faces where any film that looks like spider verse is now deemed a spiderverse clone rather than being its own individual thing and that they think it's a very bad perception for hollywood to have because rather than trying to do something different everytime, they're all lumped into the same category. It's very evident that each film nowadays that uses a more stylized art style looks unique but as they say it: the industry needs to be more perceptive to change not just in tone, but also in its visual presentation.

[@mistertwister2000]

Disney took the wrong lesson from Spiderverse. They saw everyone praising the artistic achievement and styles previously uncharted and thought what they needed to do was just copy that.

[@cumber_guy]

I don't see it as a problem, the problem is that some people can't make a artistic voice of their own

[@RedFloyd469]

Or more likely: that big animation companies specifically hire people to specifically copy what's trending. You can be as original as you wish, but if you don't have the money to back up your vision and passion, nothing will come of it, unless we're talking small projects or youtube animation.

[@murtadhaamin3654]

To be completely honest, I like wish's art style, and I kinda like the "spiderverse clones" because the TMNT mutant mayhem's art style looks like crayons, but the last wish looks like acrilyc pain, all of them are unique in their own ways!

[@ShenDoodles]

I’m bringing The Bad Guys into this because it was also inspired by Spider-Verse, but combined it with Lupin III and other such media to create not just a new style, but entirely new designs for this established series that most people agree are better than the originals. Playing it safe gets you nowhere, you need to take risks and throw yourself directly off the beaten path into the abyss of the new.

[@HozoDaPozo]

I didn't think Mitchell's or puss n boots were like spiderverse, but they both had great writing and were tremendously awesome movies. TMNT did feel like spiderverse though tbh, but it too had great scenes and pacing

[@Nightlizard1564]

Puss in boots definitely used that kind of style in a lot of their scenes.

[@peachesncharlotte]

​@@Nightlizard1564 while it's true that both spiderverse and puss in boots don't stick to a consistent frame rate throughout the whole movie, they do NOT have the same style. Spiderverse is similar to a comic book while puss looks like a painting (in fact many of the bg bg in puss in boots look straight up like 19th century impressionistic paintings, thing Manet). They also use brush strokes for the characters themselves.

[@kbreezy1581]

That's what's great about those movies. Sure they were likely inspired by spider-verse, but for the right reasons of making creator driven movies with their own unique animation. None of those movies look the same because the aim was not to clone, but to look at what came before, analyze what it did great, and see how you can make your own thing.

[@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim2918]

@@peachesncharlotte Nah, it is the same style but it's toned down a lot. I wouldn't say it's a copy but they definitely approached it the same way the spiderverse did. See, you can't really incorpate comic elements into a storybook flim (those are two different baselines), so they used paintings. Still, it was impossible for me not to notice how the characters and animation generally reminded me of those in spider-verse.

[@peachesncharlotte]

@@dougdimmadomeownerofthedim2918 The way you word your comment implies that they were trying to look like spiderverse as opposed to being inspired by how spiderverse is it's own unique style. In term, puss decided to have it's own unique style tool. Spiderverse uses half-tones and hatching for shading while Puss in boots shading is smooth and blended together (like blending oil paints.) Even the way they imply things being out of focus is different, Spiderverse uses chromatic aberration while Puss in boots simplifies their backgrounds to general brush strokes. They def possess similarities in the stylalized, less realistic, choppy frame-rate way but they're not the same style

[@JustAPerson-ql9js]

This style is great, when it's being used for a reason, but innovation isn't caused by (trying to clone) an already good thing, it's created by improving on that thing, or innovating even further. Even if Wish truly is higher quality, it isn't like an image's quality affects everything about it.

[@esmeraldadelatorre8676]

I think that the spiderverse effect is cool

[@LilQuaser]

of course yeah me too, just saying that I'm worried studios will learn the wrong lesson

[@afrolens9532]

It’s Disney, they purposely killed 2D in their own studios, and with all the money they had they created this muddled mess That’s their part

[@galaxywizard8904]

I still won't forget their underrated 2D movies like Treasure Planet and Atlantis. That stuff was golden but had piss poor marketing. 3D became popular around the time those films released, but Disney fumbled the marketing so hard with their last few 2D movies. Weirdly enough, Seeing Strange World and now Wish is reminding me of how bad their marketing was back then. I didn't even know about Strange World until 2 months after it's release, and I didn't know that Wish released until I saw people reviewing the movie the day of.

[@RavenclawDaisy95]

Don't forget that they got rid of Blue Sky Studios as well. They probably didn't want competition with 3D animated movies.

[@deciradoxytp1771]

@@RavenclawDaisy95 They dont want competition with ANYTHING

[@-JJB-]

This is something that needed to be said. Powerful stuff man.

[@ossichorsound]

The title made me expect some lame takes, but I was pleasantly surprised and agree with everything you said. It rocks that we're getting more stylized 3D, and you can TELL when something oozes passion and stylizes its 3D in a genuine way. You can also tell when it's just a corporate entity doing it to follow what it considers to be a "trend". That's a big part of why Wish's visuals look so off to me. It doesn't commit. Also every shot just looks unfinished/half-rendered because of how shoddily it did the style. You can tell it was shoehorned in.

[@BlackShadow01-05]

I think the issue is the fact that it is being overused. Spiderverse and TMNT work since Puss Mitchels stuff like that stuff where there’s justification.

[@choryllis6646]

It's not Spiderverse's fault that everyone wants to copy them. It's the fault of the corporations for trying to copy their style because they think it'll get butts in seats and money in their pockets without actually trying to make a good movie.

[@Angninjin22]

Man, I discovered this video recently, and I think is good! To be honest, this is some Shrek situation, when after the movie, a similar movies appeared, the same goes here, but it is a little strange that Disney went with that animation , because I remember a short using 2.5D animation( the short is called Paperman, and it is from Disney) so that means Disney is no stranger to that type of animation( or it was another studio)

[@Mr.Feather130]

Now I can imagine Pixar hop on aboard with the spiderverse style hype with their next movie after inside out 2 and elio...

[@SuperRamtin]

The problem here is KZbin. When they uploaded the trailers, the quality went down. So now we think the animation style looks bad but in reality it's much better in the final product.

[@LilQuaser]

yeah i only found this out today, do you have a link to some kinda comparison? I'm interested to see how drastic it is

[@afrolens9532]

Oh no the movie just looks that bad

[@bored-bee01]

​@@afrolens9532For an example, you can see the trailer for Transformers RoTB and a clip from the movie. Lighting, shading etc all blends in more in the final product.

[@Dobbythecat123]

@@afrolens9532I don’t think you read that properly

[@afrolens9532]

@@Dobbythecat123 I did. The movie looks that bad. Disney has shown official screenshots, people have watched early access screenings, it just looks bad

[@LilTyqreece1]

if its “spiderverses fault” than disney deserve it

[@velichorus]

I was worried at the start of the video but I'm so happy with the direction it went. I have incredibly strong opinions on animation and hearing people sum up all of these new movies as 'spiderverse clones'... is annoying, to say the least. Wish had potential. I would have loved a harder lean into the 'storybook' style; more popup-cutout pieces, more paint texture in the backgrounds and props... As it stands, it looks like those textures will only really shine on the big screen, and in trailers and previews we're only seeing flat, way-too-subtle versions of that. The characters themselves also look very flat (spiderverse didn't have particularly textured skin either, but they had more angular models, and dynamic and textured lighting for a larger portion of the scenes to make up for that). I feel like I've seen the same style in animated kids shows.

[@Crimson.Creates]

"Spider-Man, why did you create that guy?"

[@code_renard]

I mean, if cel shading and comic looking style is all it takes to make a spider verse knock off, TellTale's Walking Dead was the first "spiderman knock off"

[@cartoonprincessweirdchanne2161]

Good video. I'm glad I'm not the only one who expressed concern about every animated film trying to be like Spider-Verse to the point that the film will no longer be special anymore. And I also feel like if Wish was made by another animation studio than Disney, then the animation community would eat it up. Look at the reactions to The Bad Guys' animation style vs. Turning Red's animation style, though that doesn't explain why fellow Dreamworks film Ruby Gillman's animation style got some flack for resembling thin line animation even though The Bad Guys looks more thin line animation-esque than Ruby Gillman. If there's a nitpick to this video, it would be that Spider-Verse, although did popularized the blending of 2D and 3D animation style together, is technically not the first 3D animated to not be photorealistic. Almost every 3D animated film is stylized (I said "almost". Not all.). For instance, look at Madagascar. It has a cartoony style with smears animation and pauseable moments and it's a stark contrast to Shrek and Shark Tale's realistic style. Same with The Peanuts Movie, released 3 years before SpiderVerse. It captured the spirit of Charles Schulcz' drawings but done in 3D animation. Other than that, good video.

[@digital-underworld]

What Spiderverse did was show that you could bring the Style of Comics to Animation in ways that only Animation could. This inspired other Studios to do the same with other Styles and in turn they came up with more interesting ways to show it. Disney's Wish looks like it tried to do the same but fundamentally misunderstood what was being shown.

[@Samenamena]

Spiderverse's fault: ✖️ Mf disney who didn't even try hard :✔️

[@JJBrosEntertainment]

2:48 It went from The ninja turtles to the good dinosaur and I honestly thought because the art styles were so different that the good Dinosaur I legit thought that the good dinosaur was real

[@LilQuaser]

Ikr, good dinosaur is too realistic

[@1-upanimations878]

Can this also apply to TV Shows which have been labeled as the “Cal-Arts style” or “Adult Swims Style”? Because I want you to talk about these too…

[@bravestraven4650]

Just to give an update. It turns out Wish is so beautifully animated. It’s just that apps like KZbin have done a disservice by compressing the footage. I watched Wish in theaters. And it looked better on the big screen. Once I got it on digital in UHD, the detail is amazing. It’s a really stunningly animated movie. They combined the 2 animations by using 3d models, and then layering it with 2d watercolor. Sometimes even with 2d backgrounds. Looks like a watercolor story book.

[@superplush9987]

You could juts call the style instead of "the spider verse style" to 2d/3d style, since some parts look a 2d object when it is really a 3d object

[@LilQuaser]

yeah this works way more

[@azaliaavalos3987]

@@LilQuaser imma poop on your forehead

[@EpicDestr0yer]

“Spider man why did u create that guy?” “I didn’t he’s talking crazy!”

[@bravestraven4650]

Yeah I agree. Each 2d 3d mix has its own unique style. Spider Verse is like a Comic Book style. TMNT is based of how the Turtles would draw. Etc. As for Wish. The people behind it said they wanted to combine 2d and 3d to honor both Classic and Modern Disney. And production began all the way back in 2018. So them wanting to profit from mixed animation can’t really be it. I also think that they’re going for a storybook like aesthetic with the animation. I’ve actually seen it in really good quality in 4k Ultra Hd versions of Wish’s trailers. And the animation looks great. However it sadly doesn’t look as good in anything that isn’t the best quality resolution video, or theater that isn’t a IMAX or Dolby Vision theater. But yes. It is strange how this kind of animation is called “Spiderverse style” cause each mixed animation film has its own animation style too. Only thing in common is well, mixing 2d with 3d.

[@caylya7869]

This is the one thing that pisses me off. Spider-verse didn’t even invent stylistic animation. Wish looks nothing like spider-verse. I bet if captain underpants came out after spider-verse they would say it’s inspired by spider-verse, they aren’t. All spider-verse did was have studios go out into stylistic territory, that’s it. That doesn’t mean they get inspired by spider-verse art style. Jesus Christ dude. Disney’s Wish is inspired by it’s own movies, the problem isn’t spider-verse, it’s seeing if studios are using there stylized animation to tell the story or just lazily slapping it on.

[@HatPuppet]

This is why we can’t have good things 😔

[@falcorim6136]

edit: nevermind, I somehow thought that arcane was older than spiderverse

[@joemama8595]

Spiderverse came out before arcane

[@falcorim6883]

@@joemama8595 woah, yeah actually sorry then, but I was more than 100% sure that it was older than the spiderverse, not even feeling that it needed to be checked - thanks a lot

[@joemama8595]

@@falcorim6883 no problem we all make little mistakes

[@StormyHotwolf88]

I... have to disagree with this. I think the illusions they made looks amazing. It makes me think fairytale storybooks with a nice watercolor texture. I really like how they look with their subtle lines.

[@KartalaBreed]

I agree with you. People keep saying it looks unfinished when it actually looks so much better, but KZbin compresses the image too much. It can definitely look half hearted at times since the cel shading is subtle. The water color backgrounds though are beautiful.

[@zoefoley6818]

I love the animation too!

[@LineOfThy]

the backdrops are cool. the characters look like normal disney cgi characters but desaturated.

[@ilovepooofficial]

why does he sound like he's yelling at us from across the room

[@mjolnair]

More like Disney wanted to join in on the comic book animation trend for no reason just for quick money

[@SuperNova827]

Yeah and/or Disney is just doing it incorrectly and wrong

[@elthomasdjfhdfsgdgjkdfgldsg]

well, in my opinion, I don't think the so-called "Spiderverse style" ruined animation or anything like that. I would say that the best way to make this type of animation is getting inspired by an artstyle and combine it with another one, like you said in the video (Spiderverse based on comic books, Puss in Boots based on fairy tales picturebooks, Nimona based on medieval paintings, etc.). Another unique example would be "The First Slam Dunk" from 2022. It combines the "Spiderverse style" with Anime and the result looks spectacular. Soooo yeah, it's not Spiderverse's fault but rather from Disney (just like some other dude said in the comments)

[@heybuddy3616]

honestly, I wish that Wish’s animation would have taken more notes from Disney’s post-renaissance films, just before the switch to 3D. Atlantis, Tarzan, and treasure planet all combined 2d and 3d in ways that felt innovative: 3d vehicles, environments, and even prosthetics mixed with distinctive character designs, effective twist villains, and fun stories. that was new technology at the time - imagine what animators today could accomplish!

[@ef-jkota3611]

“Ima do my own thang.” “We should do your own ThAnG too!”

[@Ms.Divine2024]

🤣😂

[@nandotnt5678]

Spiderverse introduced what anime and manga have done for years. Its style, all animated movies need their own style. Spiderverse had it, puss in boots, bad guys, and many more. Not their fault wish failed to get the message

[@reds6832]

When I saw the spider-verse movie I was exited to see more shows adapting this animation style, these ppl need to change their mindset😂

[@madmanonyt9943]

Wish being ugly isn’t Spider-Verse’s fault, but rather shows how Disney learned the wrong lessons from the 2D/3D renaissance we’ve been seeing, as of late.

[@OzzerZinx]

Honestly... It feels like the family guy trend. Like how family guy/american dad took off and mow we have a billion clones or other shows trying to make bank off that style off humor and artstyle

[@demonseed360]

IMO the Spiderverse movies are the pinnacle of big screen Spider-Man stories and honestly some of the best movies in general I've ever watched. The animators deserve all the praise they're getting. But many other studios have experimented with that 2.5D artstyle before the first Spiderverse. Fortiche studios worked with Riot to create another media masterpiece, Arcane, later on but they've made tons of videos with Riot in the past using that 2.5D style and are also pretty fantastic.

[@PeterPeter-pr2hi]

This is exactly what I’ve been worrying about Everytime a new animation style comes along that people really like, studios seem to take the wrong notes from it, thinking that this is the new animation style that they should all utilise, usually throwing the old one in the garbage. This happened when 3D animation took over, and since people really praised it, it suddenly meant that 2D animation was “for kids”, and look where we are now…. 2D is basically dead, and 3D has completely taken over. The same trend seems to occur, as people really praised Spider-Verse’s feel, yet recently started bashing Pixar’s more realistic look. And listen, I am not saying that the Pixar animation is 100% flawless, but I feel like when there are problems with some movies’ quality, people immediately equate the animation with it, and as Pixar/Disney has made some movies recently that haven’t lived up to the hype, now this animation seems to be targeted too. But honestly, I would be sad to see realistic 3D animation go entirely, as it worked wonderously in some movies. Spider-Verse’s animation is also really great, but it is because it’s meant to look like a comic book coming onto the screen - a realistic animation style wouldn’t work as great with it. But there are some movies that it works better with, yet still, it seems like studios don’t get it, and we all need the Spider-Verse style now. And I mean, it can work in movies that don’t necessarily require it (Puss in Boots 2 for example, was enhanced by this animation, and it worked really well, but it wasn’t a necessity for the movie), all I’m saying is improve the writing first - animation is an easy scapegoat, and it’s entirely unfair to all those animators who work hard on it.

[@Ninjargon]

Spider verse didn’t force them to animate like that. Disney jus had the wrong idea

[@thecrow_real]

Yeah but some of the spider-verse style movies are actually good.

[@azaliaavalos3987]

Yeah obviously no denying that,but I do feel like spider verse is just at fault for doing it's job too well,and that is gonna bring good things and bad things (mostly good tho)

[@Mentallyheld]

​@@azaliaavalos3987that's so fucking stupid to say I'm out

[@walrusmedia4035]

Thank you. I get so annoyed whenever people describe any of these films as "It's like spiderverse" no it's not they're all just hyper stylized tmnt looks far more different to spiderverse than like how to train your dragon does to say onward

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

such a great video, loved your explanation

[@Gensis]

It's great that Spiderverse helped break the whole convention of 3D animation, but let's not pretend movies like Peanuts didn't do the same thing years ago

[@SuperNova827]

Nice analysis but hate the clickbait-y title. Not to mention with a touch of ragebait, too. But I personally believe that the comic book-esque animation is starting to become a trending bandwagon that other studios want to hop on which is starting to get tiring. I would love to see studios produce a 2D animated feature for theaters for once that is NOT based on an existing property like a TV show for example

[@starsilverinfinity]

Frankly the human inclination to organize things into easier to grasp categories/labels is often their own undoing

[@sunsetvibe1063]

Personally I just call it cel shaded animation. Because that’s what it is. Using filters & harsh shadows to evoke a 2D aesthetic while having the weight & smoothness of 3D animation. It’s always been a thing, but honestly before Spider-Verse name a cel shaded movie that was given a theatrical budget on that level. They were always tv projects, which is why they never went beyond a basic filter. But now with theatrical budgets, they can be more experimental. We had 2D animation, 3D animation, now we have cel shaded animation. And I am here for it all.

[@Sir_Stick]

Didn't the people who made Spiderverse make TMNT :sku

[@garrettparker949]

This is disney being conformation and thinking that playing it safe is the way to do it. No use a style that can allow artists to encorperate and express themselves to allow the art to better express the content on the screen

[@easolinas1233]

The only risks they take these days are boneheaded ones that are guaranteed to backfire on them.

[@zigzagzagoon]

thank you, thank you so much for citing the inspirations behind newer films OTHER than spiderverse. ive seen particularly harsh criticisms of nimona that are tiring me out at this point because a lot of people arent getting the vision that its supposed to look medieval and painted

[@laurenelizabeth4666]

The argument here is that SpiderVerse’s praise stems from animation being used as a MEDIUM rather than a STYLE. For so long, animation has tried to imitate what real-life looks like , almost like it could be filmed with a normal camera, but in that specific world in which the movie takes place. Spiderverse creatively broke away from that in terms of its storytelling ability, THROUGH the elements of its animation, which is where the “right way” stems from. The other ‘clones’ are similar in the regard of trying to approach storytelling through the visual effects and animation aspects (frame rate, lighting, art style), that a filmed movie could not. That’s why things that recede back to ‘normal’ animation seem lackluster in comparison.

[@roselockheart4346]

I haven’t watched the movie but the animation reminds me when they used to hand draw for the movies. It’s never reminded me of spider-verse.

[@lycalohex]

good video and commentary, but the title and stuff is VERY clickbait and ragebait-y. i would suggest at least adding a question mark or something to the end of the video title, like "wish's animation is bad... and it's all spiderverse's fault?" to at least give some indication of your stance and the purpose of the video itself so you don't have people just clicking on the video and disliking it out of spite without actually watching it. i was tempted to dislike just because of the clickbait myself. it's a good video and i get the algorithm sucks, but yeah. just my two cents

[@sethender443]

Crazy. This movie Wish looks like a Disney knockoff you’d find on Wish

[@conspirasister5945]

Honestly ever since I got a first look at Wish’s animation my main feeling has been that it looks…unfinished. Things look smooth and untextured, certain scenes look like they don’t even have finished lighting. I wanted to like the way it looked, I really did, but something about it just feels…off.

[@donaldduck73]

Seriously disney is basically THAT guy Everything is Cool until they do it too and no it just isn't because they involved themselves

[@afrolens9532]

Paperman came out in 2012 Disney had the means to do this style properly

[@thenerdydemon1]

And spider verse isn't even the first movie to do the style, look at the penuts movie

[@LilQuaser]

Peanuts always goes under appreciated

[@redwolf6334]

Yeah it annoyed me so much when people just chalked up the TMNT movie to a spiderverse copy

[@Jackseyez]

Right now wish is certified 49% rotten on rotten tomatoes

[@LilQuaser]

rip, so sad it was their 100th movie

[@nanisprestlye4830]

The title reminded me of the scene from spiderverse “I created you, and you created me.” “Spider-Man why’d you create that guy?” “I didn’t! He’s talking nonsense” 💀

[@idontgetit3245]

I see what you're saying, but it's pretty bs to blame spiderverse for everyone else's lack of creativity.

[@lasercraft32]

This is NOT Spiderverse's fault even remotely... This is Disney's fault. Wish was originally going to be a 2d animation film, but they tried to make it mostly 3d with a watercolor filter because it was cheaper and easier than doing 2d. Puss in Boots: The Last Wish also used a combination of 2d and 3d and that movie was GREAT for both the story AND the animation, but the idiots at Disney just assumed its success came from the animation style or something. :/

[@forkfighter]

I don't agree with everything Ralph Bakshi says, however, I think he was right when he said that artstyle is important to good storytelling. I think the reason why Spider-verse's animation worked so well was because it enhanced the action. Every move had more oomph and impact. And it could be very calm and aesthetic when it wanted to be. I don't know what Wish is trying to enhance in its story.

[@Twister980]

Only one with this style that I personally thought worked was Puss. Spider-Verse style should STAY in Spider-Verse, or at the very least stick to super hero type films.

[@eddyviews1427]

Correct me if I’m wrong, I guess you may have seen the low quality version due to the issue of compositing the trailer into KZbin, so I’ve heard. I can see what you mean, thought this may be a hate video. Let’s not forget we had other animated films stylized that was praised but not many can admit the history, ironically Disney utilized that with Robin Hood, 101 Dalmatians, or Sword in the Stone that had budget cuts yet passed by with rough animation. Kinda hypocritical to attack ones that has passion and heavily inspired when defending decades old one that had the same thing, at least you ain’t one. Decent breakdown.

[@ex8800]

The reason wish looks bad is because of the lack of creativity, it just feels like another generic disney movie

[@matthewbonilla6222]

Spider-verse kind of made that animation style popular. It was good because it had a good crew. Another company trying to create a movie with the same style without being good at that kind of animation or having a good enough crew is honestly doomed to fail.

[@maravreloaded]

I'd compare Wish's animation to Puss in Boots 2.

[@huntercool2232]

Can’t blame Spider-Verse for Disney’s own bad choices. They shouldn’t have tried to copy someone else’s homework in the first place! 💀💀

[@SillySolOfficial]

I watched wish and thought it was pretty good. The facial expressions on the characters were amazing and the animation was also good. Fye: I don’t think this is the 100th animated movie, because encanto was its 60th animated movie. Wish(I think) is Disney’s 100th movie.

[@hannahmills9959]

The "100" comes from Disney's 100th anniversary, which was October of this year. Wish is Disney's 100th anniversary film

[@SillySolOfficial]

@@hannahmills9959 I know. I live close to Disney and I’m a Disney fanatic lol. Have a nice day!

[@Infinite_Mortis]

Very well articulated, yesterday I finally watched the full trailer for wish and I had to rewind a little bit because I thought that I was watching a few scenes from the spider verse animators.

[@jessicapinkman-hd4bw]

it's stupid to blame one film for a new trend in movie's

[@haliamyx]

It really doesn’t make sense since Disney did paperman a 3-d and 2-d overlay like they did it first in an animated short for wreck it Ralph so how did they get wish wrong when they already did it!?

[@AgustínDeTezanosPintoBolzmann]

I think Wish should look better in theatres. I mean it already looks good in general but who knows

[@LilQuaser]

apparently the youtube videos compressed the hell outta the actual look of the movie, but I feel like my video still applies cuz i'm talking more about the intent, over the result

[@Brainlessness]

Isn't it KZbin's fault that the animation looks bad in the Wish trailers? Didn't it recently come out that the movie actually looks a lot better than in the trailers cause of how KZbin's streaming quality works?