I'm Not A Fan Of The Rework :( - Lawbringer Duels

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[@silverbashspam9701]

LB still suffers from having no good neutral pressure and no roll catcher, two of the most frustrating parts of LB and they dind't fix it in the rework. Instead we get unblockable spam

[@timagoj999]

We also got most of our parry punishes removed

[@pulpproductions2000]

He looks pretty smooth with his moves at least. Highlander too. My problem with it is that it’s dumbed down to just constant unblockables. He’s not pirate. I’m going to miss old law.

[@Techno_Bunny433]

Ubisoft finding out a rework is meant to innovate with a character 🤯🤯 Where my roll cacther??? Where's my openers???

[@Unkn0wn5436]

Where's my impale🤨

[@Techno_Bunny433]

​ 😭

[@archaontheeverchosen7980]

For honor does reworks right unlike most games I can still tell thats the lawbringer most games like league you go who the fuck is this

[@Okina-Kev]

@@archaontheeverchosen7980No they dont, because they added CC and it takes forever to kill someone unless you’re a heavy hitter….to compensate for this ten years of fighting they’re giving everyone spammy crap? thats good to you?

[@MirrorMaskVRDJ]

As a prior LB main (Now Cent. main), I feel that my boy just got a short end of a stick, and Ubi, being Ubi couldn't figure out what would work with his kit to make him more viable. FirstlyLB has no neutral pressure and has to rely heavily on the forward or side bashes. I think if they gave LB Shove on block again it would greatly benefit him. The bash chain feels slow and clunky. The options on heavy parries are super limited now, and without the stun tap, it can be pretty easy to read what you'll either follow up with or start a combo chain with. Yes, he has hyper armor now, meaning that we can commit to heavies more (much needed), the guarenteed light in the same direction could definitely use an increase in damage. I mean, look at ocelot doesdude does like 10+ damage on his unblockable light bash, LB's light does 1-5 damage. Even Afeera and Medjay will out damage or maneuver LB with most trades. The rework is not horrendus, but it sure is not justice for LB mains who've been asking for a viable rework for years.

[@thoringa9816]

shove on block was ultra cancer.

[@Sun1ightSpear]

​@@thoringa9816not as cancer as what Orochis and Nobushis can do now in 2023

[@manz7860]

​@@Sun1ightSpearfight cancer with cancer. Give lawbringer shugos charged heavy. Instantly viable.

[@TreckStrend]

Hey man just came across your channel. I really enjoyed watching your video keep uploading man!

[@twintaildragon2593]

Pirate was buffed yes, and as the patch notes state, - Heavy Finishers now deal 24 damage (up from 22 damage) - Guaranteed Pistol Blast now recovers 100ms earlier and pins for an extra 33ms - Non-guaranteed Pistol Blast now recovers 33ms faster - Cavalier Dance changes - Attack is now 700ms (down from 800ms) - Uninterruptible Stance now starts at 433ms (down from 500ms) - Grand Cavalier is now 533ms (down from 600ms)

[@YaYAbIsCiT]

"Good fight" "OK" "Good fight" "Thanks" 🤣😂🤣😂

[@BohrokKiller]

I mained Lawbringer since release, but this rework made me stop playing the character all together

[@HammboneBob]

I feel you, I'm also a day one player. The whole game feels bad though, good ol' Lawbringer is still my favorite.

[@OzzyBlazeGaming]

10:22 That Nuxia lookin' more like Shinobi than Shinobi. A true ninja, love the minimalistic but *dark* look.

[@nathandebbage5890]

Not sure if Pirate has been buffed but, from the very first dodge heavy that they did, I thought it looked a bit faster. Maybe by 100ms I'm guessing?

[@bloodsinatra2086]

Yeh they sped it up by 100 ms in the patch so it’s now 700 ms

[@hakunai7227]

I’ve waited AGES for this and AGES more and they nuke lawbringer’s flexibility. No chain, play style is fixated on verticals the easiest attack to dodge and his initial attacks are still stiff so it’s like we got these awkward moments where you feel really slow with old lawbringer moves and all of a sudden you get a fat burst of dopamine from the new move set that doesn’t last long. Screw the hyper armor he needed UNDODGE SIDE HEAVY ATTACKS on JUDGE. In their attempt to make him balanced they made him extremely fixated on a specific play style because that’s where all of his good attacks are I really dislike it. If I had a choice I’d just keep old lawbringer.

[@manz7860]

Undodgeable on the zone would be great

[@deathtoallcreationjustbeca3353]

We just need old LB back but with hyper armor on his heavy's and flip and a reduction of stamina when using his zone attack. Thats literally all he needs...

[@propheticrain-maker1486]

They did buff Pirate broski 😅

[@SigurdThePink]

Impale has no actual use except ledging. Why didn't they nerf impale damage instead of completely ruining the iconic move!? They need to remove warmommy's impale as well in that case

[@crocodile3182]

Or just nerf the range of impale to be more like warmongers

[@vlextristheonissguildleade7449]

Leave my Warmonger alone.

[@thoringa9816]

impale on heavy allowed a light parry punish when close to walls.

[@Stealy123]

the patchnotes looks like LB is a way weaker then before...

[@sheahon1179]

It was on the warrior’s den, its faster by 100ms

[@Mule_1]

The devs aren't listening... the people demand female shugoki

[@manz7860]

I need male warmonger and peacekeeper. Female Shugo and Warlord would be great too

[@HammboneBob]

As long as she has a huge rack

[@isaiahsingh8021]

Bro was stuck on that forward dodge heavy😭

[@epuihht5765]

Love your gameplay!.

[@Jcorella]

I love it.

[@redfinite27]

It is odd LB didn't get to keep double light chains. And his neutral heavy dmg is little bit on the low side. Should imo be bumped upto 22 so he can get the light tap for extra dmg or immediately go for hyper heavy (more of 4v4 thing) He also needs a dodge light, even one with minimal i frames

[@DavidGarcia-fe7lv]

how tf do you give lb a dodge light tho? what would that animation even look like? what hapoens to the dodge bash?

[@limonguy3335]

All we do now is give a character dodge attacks. Jorm never needed a dodge attack(I’m a jorm player) and he also never needed all the stupid buffs he got. Tell ubi to stop shitbraining their reworks.

[@redfinite27]

@@limonguy3335 with Ubi constantly adding more and more bashes that can only be punished with a dodge attack (mainly dodge light/heavy) it became needed, before when you used to get a GB from whiffed bash, you didnt need a dodge attack on every hero because that was the punish but Ubi didnt seem to like that. So now we have added a lot of bashes you cant GB. Dodge bash on most dodge bash heroes shows how much it falls behind when you face certain characters like Tiandi, Ocelotl or HL in the future when you start to see HL a lot more

[@parabellum4622]

Fast forward today, he's only decent if you can light parry.

[@-_-5568]

Lawbringer feels like conquer now idk it feels like he does no damage at all unless you get a light perry

[@tonyolsson686]

testing grounds only up for one day after that its just a wasteland. for me it went from mid to low

[@schm1tyy]

Could we see some kensei?

[@TekkenLegacy-gamex]

I don’t like how they made lawbringer now… we have to put a lot of work so honest charachter 😅

[@matthewstegeman7]

Damn daniel, back at with day 7 of asking S to humble nova king

[@patrickbonnette1701]

I feel like he needs an undodgable option

[@manz7860]

Still gets absolutely smoked by dodge attack/bash spammers. Feels more predictable than ever

[@Soliloquy1945]

Ur not crazy, they buffed pirate making her forward dodge attack faster and her side ones. She recovers quicker now too

[@robinrademacher7984]

I want a roll catcher and a light light chain from neutral second light doesnt need to be enhanced and bring back the feintable bash

[@thoringa9816]

they wanted to give triple light to lb, glad they didn't

[@robinrademacher7984]

@@thoringa9816 yeah but a double light wouldve been okay

[@manz7860]

20 damage top heavies. Lmao

[@camrhodes9546]

Now try the new highlander!!

[@Verixz-mz4zj]

3:20 🤣🤣

[@GankScythe]

i just tell myself the new breed of 13 yr olds are just cracked out of their mind on Gfuel er some shit.

[@reev3417]

With one S, are you color blind? Or is there a different reason you have the different UI colors?

[@robinrademacher7984]

With the tob unblockable from light parry you get 29 if use the tap (25 plus 4)

[@aarongeorge347]

But apparently, the top unblockable and shove are guaranteed on light parry for a total of 38. Insane imo

[@robinrademacher7984]

@@aarongeorge347 yes the bash is confirmed and yes deals 38 damage and yes that is way to much

[@manz7860]

​​@@aarongeorge347not really compared to other heroes that can wall splat. Like Jorm and afeera. Honorable mention to gladiators skewer into wall splat for 50+ damage They patched it so it so lawboy is completely useless now

[@bloodsinatra2086]

Pirate got a buff where her dodge forward heavy is 100ms faster, it has hyper armor slightly earlier now, they messed around with her gun shots (confirmed and unconfirmed) frame data, they increased her finisher heavy damage to 24, and they sped her dodge attack up back to what it was before her nerfs

[@WithOneS]

Awesome! To be completely honest she really needed it! 😅

[@bloodsinatra2086]

@@WithOneS oh yeh definitely, I really wanted the skin she got but I never got it because playing her was just pure pain. She honestly feels a decent amount better but I’m not sure if it’s enough, but we will see with time. Although her dodge forward heavy animation is a bit wonky due to the new speed, but it looks funny so oh well

[@wukong_gam1ng49]

Isn’t LB labeled as a counter attacker? If man had good openers then he’s not a counter attacker anymore bc he doesn’t have to wait for the enemies. I thought the whole purpose of counters is to punish enemies

[@chimerical8746]

true, but they also got rid of his guaranteed impale, which is a counter attack, so what do they want him to be now?

[@wukong_gam1ng49]

@@chimerical8746god knows, I wish they more transparent with their intentions with character designs and reworked

[@DarthJimius]

Orochi is a counter-attacker and doesn't have as many problems from neutral as LB has, the same goes for Kyoshin and Blackprior and for the Pirate. Just cause he is a counter-attacker it doesn't mean that his neutral game must be trash.

[@chimerical8746]

Bp is a counter attacker??? damn ig im playing him wrong@@DarthJimius

[@janOverwatchGM]

Hey bro, do you have a Discord?

[@WithOneS]

Yes, link in the desc!

[@Nero-Caesar]

Not to take away from his skill which is good but seems like in the majority of his video's he's fighting people well below his skill level idk maybe I'm tripping also not saying he's choosing the skill level of his opponents just that ubis sbmm sucks

[@WithOneS]

I’ve mentioned this before, it’s not the sbmm. It’s the playerbase, in NA servers right now there’s only I’m about 10 people I can think of that can react like I can, and most aren’t online at the same time. Just the unfortunate reality of this game’s community size :(

[@Nero-Caesar]

@@WithOneS ah that explains a lot thank you

[@deanbenjamin783]

Pirate did get buffed a little bit

[@Wowzersguy22]

Idk why everyone hates the lb rework. first nobody liked that he couldn’t open up unless you parried or threw lights and now that he has more to work with nobody likes it lol like what

[@nathanchandler18]

He doesn’t have more to open with, he has the exact same move set they just nerfed a bunch of stuff

[@Techno_Bunny433]

He doesn't tho. He had the same combos as before, he just gets light on opener heavies now. So he essentially plays the same. No neutral game but he's good when he gets combo's going, but that was how he played before, if you played lawbringer before and after functionally nothing has reallt changed. And ontop of that they took out 2 of his most satisfying moves. Like he's smoother but all they did was smoothen what he was already good at and leave him unchanged where he actually needed it.

[@Colastian]

there was a little buff to pirate this thursday you are not insane

[@NightshadeDE]

Maybe it’s because I didn’t put too much time into him before but lawbringer feels much smoother to play now

[@nathanchandler18]

No he doesn’t

[@nathanchandler18]

They removed things he did, added hyper armour and shortened his move set

[@51TD0wN]

I'll tell you what he feels like. Generic as fuck, with no advantage at anything whatsoever.

[@thoringa9816]

​@@nathanchandler18they removed the guaranteed impale on heavy, that gave him a light parry punish on a heavy parry. Im only annoyed they entirely removed the stun.

[@leprosylake2581]

I will still never forgive you when we did a gryphon mirror and you kept timing guard breaking me because I knew you’d react to his neutral pressure 👿

[@dimaniho572]

Can you give more love to Aramusha pls! Trying to main him :/

[@WithOneS]

Who?

[@dimaniho572]

@@WithOneS aramusha :)) T9 on phone is crazy :)

[@999_oooo_9]

this rework sucks

[@GreviousStudios]

Like others have mentioned he still doesnt have any openers or roll catchers but I think LB mains in general are awfully overreacting to the changes. We are just allergic to any kit modifications. The changes that WERE made are generally good for the game, especially the stun removal (I mean I miss it still but yea). The other issues can be tuned in time. The finisher soft feint especially is doing wonders in mixups given how often you can access them. Give it time, we'll adapt and ubi will fine tune the kinks.

[@El_Malanga02]

Since you seem like a player with common sense I want to ask what they actually changed? I know they didn’t give him a roll catcher but like what else?

[@GreviousStudios]

@El_Malanga02 There is quite a lot of it, but the key parts are: 1. Removal of all stamina drain/pause+stun from almost all attacks 2. Impale isnt guaranteed on a heavy parry anymore 3. You can now infinitely chain your heavy finishers with shove and light comboes. This works especially well with top heavy finisher soft feint into gb. 4. Second heavy in any chain has hyper armor now 5. You can light after shove, and both shove and long arm now chain (I think) 6. You have a confirmed light combo after a side heavy dealing extra 4 dmg. 7. His damage got toned down slightly (4-6 damage on heavies I think, compensated by the light combo. This was due to insane oos and parry punishes, though they are still quite strong (and one is bugged at 38 guaranteed I think) 8. You can now use Swift justice as a 2nd attack in a chain to quickly access the Orange. 9. Shove has a 100ms faster guard recovery so it's not as risky to use. All in all you get much more mix up flexibility and insane chain pressure. Sucks when you get forced into neutral, but a parry can get you back into the offensive fast. This was done off memory so I might be wrong, or I forgot some parts but it should be p close.

[@DarthJimius]

@@GreviousStudios What mix up flexibility ? After a light you can still do only a heavy. Pray do tell why did they buff his chain pressure ? It was the one thing that Lawbringer wasn't lacking pre-rework other than his punishes.

[@El_Malanga02]

@@GreviousStudios sounds kinda like ocelotl in neutral. I don’t play lb so I wasn’t sure what they did since I didn’t keep up with the tg for him. Honestly it just seems like they should just make longarm feintable from neutral and accessible in chain without the ability to feint. It gives him a very good opener in a feintable bash but I feel like if they put it in his chain and make it feintable he’ll just be another infinite chain feintable bash hero. Idk I’m just throwing out ideas.

[@Ross-vb8bb]

I suppose I‘m quite early haha

[@tarnishedsouls7976]

Oof that first guy was salty 😂 Should've tea bagged him on that last kill as a payback for the ledge kill. That would've been the 🍒 on top

[@Sun1ightSpear]

This rework is absolutely unfair and a disaster. We have almost every Samurai character that out classes lawbringer 150%. I've been a lawbringer main for the past five years, a rep 70 for a while, and I'm very tempted to uninstall the game. Ubisoft seems to favor Samurai and assassin characters. This game is turned into a pile of dog diarrhea

[@ahmadsabbagh3640]

For honor has the worst devs in the world

[@FatalxDecision]

Early baby

[@dannybalderas8546]

Dude you worry too much about reads and predictions, and what’s the enemy gonna do and yourself.. oh dude sometimes you just gotta let the shit ripp . And just keep throwing shit

[@HammboneBob]

The game as a whole feels terrible compared to how it used to. The whole "read opponents" thing isn't my favorite. Especially with the faster warriors. LB feels really slow without any real threat. I went and switched to a warmonger and fought an LB and he wasn't even hard. Maybe it's just me but I'm not digging the game anymore.

[@enolquindosgonzalez1900]

Nobody is S

[@CJ-wh7ik]

Lets be honest, fh community just cannot be pleased with any change. Im yet to see a change that is overwhelmingly liked. Like dude, ppl hate on removal of reflex guard because a) animations look bad and b) it wasn't even a big deal to use well

[@WithOneS]

Shaolin rework, overwhelmingly positive feedback on that back in the day. I personally love the removal though, don’t care much about animations, I think it’s great!

[@JVoorhees1]

Garbage rework for LB imo

[@EARL_CASH07-71]

That game become worst and worst every patch...happy to quit this game

[@ProfessorZ-]

Day 11 if asking for another nuxia video. 🙃

[@andradatway4342]

I’m glad they nerfed him well needed

[@HammboneBob]

🐀

[@theoneandonly3435]

i absolutely hate what they did to hl. dodge grab beats light chains so u no longer have to think between kick and light punish. theyre lowering the damage even further. they made his wavedash far slower...and unneccesary as you can punish chainlights with dodgegrab. honestly if they bring him live like this im uninstall. highlander and lawbringer belonged to my favourites and they ruined both. but hl rework is what will make me leave ig. they addressed important points like backstep light especially unlock into backstep light has been nerfed wich is good. but you can feel that the rework was done by someone who has no clue what it means to play or even main highlander

[@hittawayne]

HL rework is also bad lol

[@panant9441]

Only the side dodge grab is awful I think