Wizard101: A Bunch Of Players Just Got SUSPENDED For This.

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

I'd love to hear y'alls opinions on KI's response :D

[@drillsergeantjerry1308]

I dont think badge locking is good because what if you get gear for other schools and your other wizards don't raid? it kind of is 50/50 good and bad.

[@megangodgamer3681]

does anyone know if the dye shop rework system is in this fall update???

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

@@drillsergeantjerry1308 its still exploited gear. In an ideal world this shouldn't even stay in their inventory. who CARES what school they wanna use their gear for

[@toetail8665]

The suspension is kinda ridiculous, why can’t they just remove the gear from people’s inventories? Seems like an easy fix. The suspension is gonna kill raids and kill this game.

[@TheUltimateRare]

did you forget that they will make new raid gear for higher levels, making some of this gear useless?

[@Empriction]

Goomay: Hmm I wonder what ratbeard gonna say about this... KI: You're obviously banned.

[@ThatFalloutGod]

It's an insanely awful practice that KI's running. >New raid with gear that people want. >There's a glitch due to their fuck-up that allows people to pay money to obtain the gear. >"Hey, let's ban these guys for a month, that'll show everyone how serious we are about 'eXpLoItErS.' " This isn't a remotely justifiable position. Wizard 101 isn't some absurdly popular game making money hand over fist compared to their previous times or other games today. People already hate KI, completely justly, for a litany of reasons, including unwarranted bans, suspensions, etc. This is just an utterly retarded move no matter how you want to try and look at it. The only correct move here was to say, "Hey, we fucked up. But what we're going to do is lock the gear on your account unless you have the badge from completing the raid." There's no need to ban anyone for a fucking month over something that doesn't do much of anything. Destiny 2 had an insane exploit/glitch a few weeks ago, allowing you to essentially mix guns and perks, making all PvE encounters trivial and fucking up PvP. Bungie didn't try and ban anyone, they didn't even try and do a reset of "uNeArNeD rEwArDs," or even shut the game down for the weekend to fix it. They said, "Hey, we fucked up, have fun this weekend." Then they made a fix for it on like Monday, and everyone went on their merry way. I really hate Bungie, but even they didn't fuck it up like KI has here. No one thinks KI's tough, competent, or right in what they've done here, they see them as incompetent clowns.

[@elefusion5142]

I think letting them keep the gear after a month ban is weird. It'll just encourage people to abuse exploits when they appear because you just get a slap on the wrist and keep the benefits

[@SkipPayless]

I love the badge lock idea. It’s like that aero gear from the mini game in empyrea where you need the badge to buy the gear. But in this sense you need the badge unlock to equip the gear.

[@venison_girl]

I think the "badge lock" idea for the gear is an interesting take, but it would invalidate the option to transfer gear via the shared bank. You would have to complete the raid over and over again.

[@BlueSparxLPs]

They could potentially do it to where you can equip it on any max character as long as at least one character on the account has the badge. That would likely require additional programming for that mechanical difference, but it would be the best way to handle it. The badge lock idea is really good.

[@bobsmith5634]

Or you could just beat the raid once and do what everyone just did lmao...

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

ima be honest, and if take heat for this ima just take it, I think the gear even being somewhat usable after being acquired through an exploit is kinda crazy. Worst case scenario people can beat the raid on whichever character they need the badge on and at the end of the day they would have beaten the raid and would also be able to use the stuff they spent their money on. I don't mind inconveniencing exploiters in the name of fairness and justice

[@uiucchemistry2664]

@@AwesomeTheSauce Yeah they should be inconvenienced at a minimum. We’ll see what happens if in one month from now when the suspension is over if anyone has beaten the raid properly which I highly doubt. Then what happens to that illegitimate gear is when we’ll wait to see what KI does then in that case if anything.

[@odin8297]

Maybe if KI had better game testers and tried harder to make sure things like that don't pass through to live realm we wouldn't even be in this situation. KI makes a lot of mistakes that lead to exploits, more than most game devs, and then punish people who take advantage of something they allowed to happen by not testing properly before updating. These people spent money and then got banned and honestly I feel like that's bad faith because its not those peoples fault KI didn't do better quality checks. KI makes the mistake but then these people get blamed for "exploiting". This game is time consuming, i work full time and have other stuff going on in life, I don't have time for raids, if I knew of the exploit I'd probably be doing it too just to get the gear because I don't have the time to waste trying to get it just to be on a level playing field in PvP. And you can't say "you don't need it for pvp" because if that was really the case you wouldn't be so upset about people using it before it was meant to be used. This game constantly takes advantage of their players time and money and then punish anyone that takes a shortcut that was created by them, accident or not.

[@FloofyDragon]

I think the badge lock idea is genius! I hate the idea that even if no one has beaten the raid still by the time the exploiters’ suspensions are done, they will be able to use the gear regardless while other players are still at a disadvantage. I hope KI considers the idea; I think it would be a very good and reasonable solution! Great video as always :)

[@IceGoldPvP]

the badge lock thing could be a funny way to lock the gear, but like others have said, it'd affect the shared bank and that's a whole problem etc etc. what they could do instead is, badge lock the existing gear and just put it behind a badge that only devs can get 💀

[@mattgibney4085]

If people “exploited” by wasting their money then okay refund their money and take the gear back. Banning & suspending people who waste money on this game ain’t a bright idea. Kind of solution is that, fix ya dam game & take responsibilities for these glitches and exploits that are in the game. This isn’t the first or hundredth time either

[@tylerbreckenridge3850]

Considering KIs track record people are lucky it was only a suspension. It’s ridiculous that they got to keep the gear

[@uiucchemistry2664]

Welcome to how KI runs things. This is nothing new with how the company’s actions upset players time and time again. Though I’m not surprised they got to keep the gear cuz KI is also lazy so knowing them it’s too hard or too much work to do a proper fix of removing gear & refunding crowns no matter how much of a pain in the ass it is to do all that, correct a mistake that KI made.

[@dylanhope3252]

I think the month-long suspension is a little lenient. The exploiters shouldn’t be allowed to keep the gear. As you’ve shown, they’re taking this highly inaccessible gear into PvP and abusing stats they shouldn’t have. The gear needs to be removed.

[@drillsergeantjerry1308]

remove the gear and refund the crowns. Suspension should be 2 Months minimum.

[@TheUltimateRare]

I think they should just make 170/180 raid gear later and make it have to be farmed again. (no crafting)

[@uiucchemistry2664]

@@getyaphinsupBecause otherwise that’s fraud? What a joke of a response. Yeah let’s charge players REAL MONEY on something they bought from us but then take away the very thing they spent money on while still keeping their money. Yeah the player shouldn’t have bought it in the first place, but when real money is involved then the solution becomes messy & KI is to blame for that partly. So fine if you remove it but you better well damn refund those crowns too if they are gonna suspend accounts. If they didn’t refund crowns & removed the gear, more outrage would occur & the game would be even faster to dying & seeing its last days.

[@dylanhope3252]

@@uiucchemistry2664 how is it fraud? They chose to spend their crowns exploiting a glitch. They’ve done raids before, they know how it’s supposed to work.

[@JRS-j9m]

"They’re taking this highly inaccessible gear into PvP and abusing stats they shouldn’t have"...which is the real issue. Though your concern isn't the gear, it's that someone had it before you.

[@trillmnar]

badge lock is big brain but like u said people have every piece, meaning they still saved COUNTLESS runs and time bc they only have to beat it once, also if its badge locked that means youd have to beat the raid on all characters if u plan on transferring items through shared bank.

[@TheUltimateRare]

the best solution is to make the raid gear higher level with wallaru and make the old 160 gear impossible to upgrade.

[@uiucchemistry2664]

They could just make it so that one char on an account has to have beaten the raid properly & be the required level to equip the gear. It would require mode coding but then it solves the issue you’re talking about.

[@bobsmith5634]

@@TheUltimateRarethis doesnt make any sense tho bc you will be able to pay for it anyways clearly

[@TheUltimateRare]

you can't pay for it unless you earn it.. and earning it is intended game design. if you don't earn the unlock, it's an exploit of unintended triggers. @@bobsmith5634

[@LogiicRemiix]

If no one’s beat the boss yet it’s simple to just remove the gear files from the game or “live” game and readd them, simple so no one’s in the game with broken gear.. as a 160 with aeon gear and maxed jewels like most realistic people.. I see this all redundant and just removing the files of the gear from the game and readding them when they feel appropriate.

[@thepicausno5561]

Wizard101 has a serious grind problem, which makes it hard to retain players. Quests involve you fighting a lot of enemies with a ton of hp in a turn-based game that doesn't really compliment it, and the dominant strategy in PVE is to blade and AoE. I could totally understand people being frustrated that the optimal gear in the game is locked behind a boss that no one has beaten yet and, even if you win, you aren't guaranteed the loot you want, meaning either fighting the boss a second time or paying real money for another loot drop. The real appeal to this game right now is PVP, but locking it behind 100+ hours of content, another 100+ hours of grind, along with the 100+ real world dollars you have to spend on memberships, card packs, and the works makes onboarding an impossibility. And if they're not getting more players into the game, they're inevitably losing players. That means less people in the community, which means longer queue times for players, which means losing even more players. The players that stay are encouraged to exploit either to get as much rank as possible out of what few matches they're getting, or simply to make the game so intolerable that KI has to do something about it. This is why so many people are stalling with life. This is the same reason why TF2 had the bot problem,

[@fishappy0_962]

We have something similar recently in Ubisoft's The Division 2 called "Descent Glitch", basically it's a super hard roguelike mode where u play with ur skill and earn xp (levels matter a lot in this game) + rarest gear called "exotic". So people just join and leave to get a bunch of gear + levels without playing, and took it to PVP made the PVP area hell on earth, pretty much impossible to play for anyone because they are millions of levels ahead. And Ubisoft did a ban wave + rollback. Props to KI for doing the right thing promptly!

[@wizzzard999]

All badge locked gear currently is badge locked to buy, not badge locked to equip. That would discourage sharing the gear with your other wizards. As for why they dont delete and refund, I don't think KI has ever done that when the exploit in question was a random drop table, such as packs or second chance chests, because with all the tat in them there is absolutely no way to know what was obtained, and in this case, what gear people already had. You could make the point that yes, hunhau only has clothes and wands, but also many pins, TCs and so on. Bottom line is, they are greedy bastards, so they won't refund you whenever they can get away with it. Only if they reworked packs and drops as a whole to guarantee certain drops without excess garbage, and then log each one when obtained, will deleting and refunding be possible

[@Alckee6904]

Ki NEEDS to be more clear about what warrants a ban and suspense. (Did I do the glitch myself? No, do I advocate to do it “? No) Players need a dedicated tab in their websites for what bugs and glitches can and can’t be abused.

[@drillsergeantjerry1308]

it's kind of obvious unless you're just dumb as a brick.

[@BlueSparxLPs]

There doesn't need to be any such section. If you're undergoing a legitimate exploit, you'd have to be severely lacking in basic common sense and education to fail in recognizing that what you're doing is wrong. Every single exploit KI has ever sanctioned for has been a totally cut and dry situation with no ambiguity. They don't ban for exploits that you can end up partaking in accidentally on a first run (like the old Novus final boss), and instead just quietly patch those.

[@Alckee6904]

@@BlueSparxLPs no. By your logic should we ban Trading discords? Should we ban users who play through vm’s? Should we ban users who defeat a boss, 1 person backs out and respawns the boss? Should we ban people who oob? Should we ban fast launcher?

[@onerooboi]

Bruh it's fucking obvious it's with every single game. Just stay mad with the ban you jelly baby

[@Miztique]

@@Alckee6904 Any exploit in the game (or anything else that ISN"T ALLOWED) caused by glitches or bugs are AGAINST THEIR TOS THAT YOU AGREE. Yes we should be banning these stupid people who don't even read the rules of the games they play. SMH.

[@ericklagos1431]

Unpopular opinion but I don't think they should lose the gear. These people may have exploited but at the end of the day they decided to spend their own money to get this gear because it is worth that much. However the badge lock thing does sound like a good Idea so that even though they have the gear, they have to complete it at least once to have access to it.

[@FrostDzNz]

So do you think people who pay to cheat should keep their winnings?

[@juhkai]

@@FrostDzNzthis is a children game not a real life casino there are no real life repercussions

[@ericklagos1431]

@FrostDZNZ depends on the situation. Quite literally there is no harm done by using this exploit. The only harm is causing other people to be petty that they have to take the time to do this over and over again.

[@candlejack101]

@@ericklagos1431 taking an advantage over others through literal cheating using your money or not isnt excusable and there is nothing you can say to change that, they do not deserve to have the gear, period, id go as far as to say they should never be allowed to have it now.

[@ericklagos1431]

@candlejack101 they didnt take advantage of others... they took advantage of a glitch. Just cuz yall are petty yall gotta spend the time does not mean they should lose the gear which again was paid with real money

[@zestybeans6584]

I would rather not beat the raid on 7 wizards

[@LogiicRemiix]

The novus badge lock is wrong you are still able to equip Aeon gear and each set with out the badge. Transferring items from one character who completed the story line to a lvl 160 who is no where near completed story line access to a pack is irrelevant to “badge locking”

[@Habib_Xon]

I mean, after our discussion and realizing they didn't do any work to access the chests. It's deserved. I was under the impression the drop rates were just tweaking out, but they still did the dungeon. The gear deserves to be removed; But I do disagree that they should get suspended or banned. I assume because they're lazy they don't want to refund the crowns and remove the gear (which they can easily track by crown purchase history.) Your response is good though. I agree with the badgelock.

[@cecil8587]

100% KI should remove all the gear from all the players that have it and give refunds cash or crowns to the players that spent money. KI shouldn't be rewarding bad behavior like this.

[@Ronniedonny1]

I don’t think they have the power to do that. They’ll have to personally log onto each account and delete the gear. Or give refunds which they won’t do because thats how they make their $$ . From chest opening, crown packs.

[@Mordecai_real]

​@@Ronniedonny1thats caap

[@Ronniedonny1]

@@Mordecai_real whats caap? You cant just say caap and not give a reason why weirdo.

[@Mordecai_real]

@@Ronniedonny1 personally log into their accounts. thats not how it works

[@Ronniedonny1]

@@Mordecai_real bro what?! U make no sense😭 ur weird.

[@skarm7780]

Your hard earn money through blood, sweat and tears is worth way more than a passion put into a GAME, so eirher take back the gear and refund crowns with bo suspension or like they did get suspended and keep the gear as you paid for it with your hard earned money, thats my take.

[@everythingwizard]

KI should remove the gear and refund the crowns back, instead of suspending players.

[@TrickyTrixster]

As a world of warcraft player (I also enjoy wiz more casually) theyre lucky its just a suspension, WoW just full on nukes your account when you do exploits especially if its something as serious as something like this?

[@bobsmith5634]

Exploit doesnt seem to be the right word here... as no one was taken advantage of, nothing "unfair" took place as this "bug" was there for everyone. The right word would be a "lazy dev didnt test play his game"...

[@bobsmith5634]

Also i dont raid so this is just my unbiased opinion. As i know for a fact 99% of u would have opened this chest the same as I

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

@@bobsmith5634 I was live while people were exploiting. While I can respect anybody's take on this, I can assure I had the full opportunity to exploit and actively chose not to and warned my guild if anybody did it, it was an instakick out the guild

[@bobsmith5634]

@@AwesomeTheSauce respect then, i know i would have rolled that chest until i ran out of crowns lol

[@Novarics]

Exploiting is not cheating. I didn't do this exploit, but I play many other games that have had similar very major exploits occur, and the devs rather than punishing the players for their own bad game design, simply issue an apology. At the end of the day, different companies handle exploiting differently. Some punish the players, and others do not. But fundamentally, even if the player knew that they were exploiting, its not an external advantage. Its an IN-GAME faulty design, and the devs should be held accountable, not the players. Why should a player not take advantage of the devs oversight if it's an in-game feature? Again, it's not cheating, and regardless of morality, it does not warrant punishing the player. Many billion-dollar studios do not punish the players for exploits even more disastrous than this one so I see no reason why wiz should. I'll give you a perfect example of a much more successful game known as Destiny 2. Just recently, an expoit blew up that many players were doing, which allowed them to craft weapons that essentially one shot every enemy in the game, which ofc made raids piss easy and even take those weapons into pvp to increase their rank. This lasted for multiple days, and the game was basically a meme during this time. That being said, while it was EXTREMELY scummy, especially in PVP, Bungie released a statement letting the community know they would not be banned because it was an in-game faulty feature and not cheating. That is how you handle exploiting, not by punishing the players.

[@NayeonSupremacy503]

So they pretty much got a slap on the wrist. Why band them if they get to keep the stuff.

[@MasterWan]

I know your frustration too well. I felt the same way when the level 50 elixir came out; I had to max all my wizards and get through the game naturally. Too bad I didn't start playing Wizard101 after the devs launched the elixir. Another example is lore spells replaced with spellements; the existing challenge eventually gets overridden by pay-to-win methods. I wish KingsIsle would focus on the gameplay and strategy of farming to be less tedious in this game; otherwise, paying (to win) will always be the better and more appealing choice, thus not making Wizard101 much of a *game* but instead another bill you have to pay for entertainment.

[@JRS-j9m]

I agree that it should be inaccessible to players that got it before finishing the Raid, but I also think it should be no pvp gear. I've stated my reasons for this before. The fact that you and others are complaining that the gear gives someone an unfair advantage in pvp is proof enough it just shouldn't be allowed in a ranked setting or should have its own ranked variant. This encourages Raid gatekeeping and it's not right. It's very easy for someone like you to access this gear given your platform, and not so easy for casual/individual players. Why do you want an unfair advantage in a ranked setting? (It's a rhetorical question, no need to answer, the reason is obvious.) I think the gear drops should be cosmetic only or for pve with stats. I think that KI could have guild tournaments where guilds could compete (using this gear if they so choose) for valuable items like unlimited pet hatching elixirs (no gold) for 1 hour, rare tc's, supreme stitches, CROWNS, etc. But in a ranked setting, this just further adds to the imbalance that has always plagued rank pvp.

[@miked3224]

I think this is one of the worst takes you could have taken on this situation. Wizard101 is not just a small website. They are a multi-million dollar company that should be able to test their products before providing it to consumers. These people banned, although you might not see as “morally right”, paid money for a specific product and were banned specifically for the outcome of the product. I will never spend a dime on them again because who’s to say I wasn’t “exploiting them”

[@miked3224]

If they were smart they wouldn’t have suspended anyone, removed the items, and refunded the crowns.

[@maralinarezruiz]

Tbh glitches happen, gamers use glitches, all the people who got suspended/banned because wizard101 messed up, like that's so stupid, as a player I should play the game as it's given to me, once I'm not hacking it's fair play

[@budderball5539]

I feel like KI made a huge mistake that people are clearly going to take advantage of. It’s hard to be mad at certain people who only did it once or twice when it’s completely KI’s fault. People who abused it and the people who did it once or twice should just have the gear removed or badge locked.

[@kaylie_dq]

Raid gear isnt even worth that much of a headache i will never do a raid

[@shatteredsentient5321]

I never even knew raids existed 😂

[@kaylie_dq]

@@shatteredsentient5321 its a dumb guild only thing

[@sethy8369]

Nah they should have absolutely refunded the crowns and taken all the gear back, plus the suspension. Teach them an actual lesson, this will be a slippery slope, if as you said they don't make a follow-up statement to clarify the extent of it. The big folks would just repeat the action for any similar exploits that show up and screw the whole community when KI does get fed up and tracks it to a full ban if you've been caught in previous ones..

[@uiucchemistry2664]

One of the few correct actions are to remove the gear from players inventories AND refund crowns. No KI shouldn’t remove & then not refund because that is scummy even if the player is in the wrong. Second option is to badge lock the gear so that it can only be equipped after properly beating the raid that way players crowns aren’t invalidated since those chests were always intended (just for the end of the raid not beginning) or lastly (& least ideally) to just make the gear no PvP/locked out of all advanced combat so that again the gear can’t be used against others in PvP & makes the gear pointless in advanced combat but not pointless in PvE without invalidating the crowns spent since players would still get to keep what they spent real money on. One of those 3 options is what is needed to not screw over players who spent real money on those chests.

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

I would have honestly preferred smaller suspensions, refunds, and gear removal from inventories. Suspending anybody for anything and for any length of time is up to them, but to let the exploiters keep their gear is my major issue with their response.

[@uiucchemistry2664]

@@AwesomeTheSauce That’s fair. I would prefer that too since it’s the cleanest & most fair solution but it’s also the one that requires the most work on KI’s part to implement. I think they should go through the trouble to do all that buts it’s KI after all so I’m not surprised if they take the lazy way out that is technically valid still & wouldn’t outrage the community more since the other two choices I listed 2nd & 3rd work too but are less optimal.

[@endeavor1818]

IMO- It would be more advantageous for KI and healthier for the community in general if the accounts in question were to receive a permanent ban. The account owners are not in any way entitled to compensation if they broke TOS and there needs to be a clear and concise message that actions such as these will not be tolerated. Every single player who took part in this knew exactly what they were doing, even if it was only once its unacceptable.

[@zarioops4578]

That's not healthy AT ALL. "Lets perma ban these people that spent tons of money not only to play our game for years but ALSO for exploiting this." Like just give them back their crowns, and take away their gear. But KI is GREEDY, and wants the money. Plus at the end of the day KI makes a LOT of bugs and exploits I don't agree with Awesome or this take, its nearly as horrible as you guys are making it out to be and this is coming from someone who doesn't even do raids. If people are going into PVP and take advantage how about...And I mean this sincerely there shouldn't be gear that people need to spend months trying to get to have a competitive edge. I think most people forget KI is not this uwu small company. They are a greedy and bad game company.

[@blooppsg7326]

Kingsisle makes an awful choice!? Shocking!!!

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

not sure how differently they could have handled this. However the point of the video was to offer a perspective on why i feel a part of their response at least is lacking and what i'd like to see as someone who raided and chose not to exploit

[@WeyardWiz]

4:08 bro pulled out exhibits😂

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

bro I need to scan those pages at this point lmaooo if i lose them its like i've lost a piece of my history

[@WeyardWiz]

@@AwesomeTheSauce Nah fr tho do it, that actually looks impressive

[@maralinarezruiz]

Tbh glitches happen, gamers use glitches, all the people who got suspended/banned because wizard101 messed up, like that's so stupid, as a player I should play the game as it's given to me, once I'm not hacking it's fair play

[@jimmtl9736]

I just don't understand how it takes KI so long to find and patch these game breaking bugs, it would legit take a few MINUTES to realize how bad this is and shut down the servers for a bit

[@neongamer5516]

I Agree with the armor that some people exploited in the raid to be badge locked, but I think it would be better for KI to just have that armor that was Exploited pvp locked since if all it takes for the exploiters is to beat the raid once to just use every armor set that they spent money on, it will just make the Real Grinding and Competitive players who actually spent time to learn a raid and grind for every piece of armor to just possibly not even pvp or do the raid at all but that's just me :( still hope KI does do something since it's such a Pain seeing may spent so much time on this raid to learn and improve on it to just have all that time and effort wasted from this Exploit.

[@garrettwhisper]

I don’t agree with what they did. However, having a badge lock wouldn’t be beneficial because it would have to stretch across all your characters on the account. Bc unless you raid on every character, it’s useless for your other characters until you can have them defeat the raid.

[@ddrguy3008]

It's giving a 20 billion dollar company being fined 50 million for doing illegal/immoral things. Here's a slap on the wrist that does nothing to 1) the company but 2) shows to what degree you can get away with ill intentioned behavior. Punishment doesn't fit the crime, but where the crime is higher than the punishment.

[@MrCguy24]

They should make it so the gear dropped is PVP banned, then rerelease the gear with the same stats only dropped with the raid

[@seanitopapito5373]

No

[@jasongrenade661]

I think exploiting is the most BS thing I have ever heard. It is not anyone's fault second chance chests exist or that it appeared in raids. It is similar to any other boss second chance chest, just that this was glitched. Why in the hell would anyone feel an obligation to inform KI they were able to get something without going through the absolute learning curve that are raids. Let's start with even understanding a guild for christ sake. Wiz has a bigger issue with the pay to win nature of their game. If you don't want people taking advantage of the second chance chests where you can throw in an inumerable amount of crown to get what you want, try to not make getting the gear impossible.

[@susansotelo1933]

End game players taking advantage of something they know is an exploit and spending excessively large amounts of crowns is wrong. I like the "badge lock" idea because the thought of those players returning after their suspension and using the gear they got without doing the fights is not fair to players who have legitimately defeated the raid bosses.

[@Kudos1111]

That’s a good idea badge locking the gear so they just need to complete it once on any character

[@jackskellington9475]

What they should have done is remove all the gear they exploited and forced them to replay for it all

[@Bomber389]

It is very bad to ban players because it is probably bad for business and bad for player morale. Banning should be reserved to prevent liability and overwhelming improve player morale.

[@shawonroy24]

One month isn’t enough because it’s gonna take a actual player to get the gear more than a month

[@drillsergeantjerry1308]

the gear could be outdated by this Winter when 170 gear is coming out imo.

[@cowgoesquack5945]

@@drillsergeantjerry1308Definitely is

[@seanitopapito5373]

@@drillsergeantjerry1308nah you can upgrade it when 170 comes around

[@TheUltimateRare]

If you abuse their game by doing something that isn't intended, you can't exactly defend yourself against KI. You broke their game when they didn't mean for it to happen, therefore blah blah blah Get banned or disabled for a while. Honestly guys, i don't care how tempting it is, you make yourself to be the bad guy if you abuse these bugs.

[@Kudos1111]

Agreed

[@sunday6846]

They posted a clearly untested update.. it’s their fault and imo there should be 0 repercussions for players. If you make a cake and it’s a 2 layer not 1 the customer doesn’t face repercussions from your boss lmao

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

I should have done a better job of spending time on this, but this was a bug that could only manifest in live realm. As in they tested this in their dev servers and then this glitch happened in live realm. I'm not educated enough on the nature of these things to know how this is preventable, but I'm sure there will be lessons to learn from this on their end. It was part of the response that was posted in the video, but I should have drawn more attention to it. These things happen, but at the end of the day, endgame players should stop normalizing taking advantage of things they know they shouldn't take advantage of

[@Reap_8]

If that sword was a one hander it be one of the sickest fire stitches it’s still sick tho. It’s a drop right?

[@its_vocalz]

They should badge lock if not I feel cheated even tho I never done the raid. Because a 1 month suspension for raid gear is a good trade for the people who glitch it.

[@roberto8589]

i was muted for saying i’m a hall monitor but i was just trolling i didnt think it was serious 😭

[@Alex-dm3dr]

Why nobody bringin up the real elephant in the room? Why TF are there second chance chests in this raid? Whats the point if eventually someone can beat the raid once and get all the gear anyway?

[@ItsNep]

honestly i really dont think the bans are fair - you should not be punished for taking advantage of the developers incompetence.

[@nephyr6292]

Wiz devs watching this vid like "hmmm that badge lock idea ain't bad"

[@uiucchemistry2664]

Lol if they do implement that after every video in the community has talked about this issue, it’s because we gotta think for KI since they weren’t proactive enough to fully do things correctly the first time around.

[@Jessica_Rabbit_]

The only solution that will ever work is to do your job right and don’t make the mistakes that allow exploits to be done in the first place…. It’s common sense not rocket science. 😂

[@kindahatin]

i swear i see these type of videos every month ☠️☠️ NOT EXAGGERATING EITHER

[@thomasdoggy1]

I think it’s both parties fault players took advantage should be punished in some way but also KI should test after they do an update they have the employees to do that and make sure it’s running well I get it we are all humans and make mistakes but please test the game after an update.

[@whitemage34]

I'm glad Holiday gear isn't badge locked

[@drillsergeantjerry1308]

Let's not forget the gear will be outdated when Wallaru comes out and 170 gear rolls out.

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

you can upgrade raid gear to 170. If anything it'll be some of the most competitive gear to have

[@JRS-j9m]

@@AwesomeTheSauce No, you don't say.

[@Jessica_Rabbit_]

Another thing to consider, if they badge lock the gear they need to be ready to issue refunds for those that requested otherwise it’s going to be legal issue for them that they’re not ready to handle.

[@Purpleshade29]

Are you sure? Exploits are apart of their tos and the can take back any content that was taken from using the exploit, a judge will throw this out :/

[@JosephReolet]

dude thats actually smart make it so u have to have the badge from beating the raid to put the gear on so they have useless gear till they actually beat it lol DO IT KI

[@drip_gami458]

I agree, the banning or suspending of the players in the situation is secondary to the outcome of the accounts that exploited to receive end game gear. Badge-locking the gear is the only fair compromise as now money is involved as you said, and people rightfully feel entitled to whatever they spent their own money on. Its truly an unfortunate turn of events, people weighed the time to get the gear rather than weighing the morality of using the exploit full well knowing a possible risk is an account ban; it is further complicated through the hatching of pets, and the spending of real money on the gear.

[@jordanlemons775]

crazy how seriously people take a kids game like either let it sit in test realm longer or polish the game better of course people are going to expliot a dog shit game where either you gotta grind days on end to get your gear or spend crowns for a chance to get the gear its just crazy seeing this wiz drama over some stats main reason why when i try to get into this game it gets ruined for me lmao thanks for coming to my rant

[@bobsmith5634]

Why is no one talking about how the chest is p2w??

[@onerooboi]

Take away their gear bruh

[@nicholaspowers1337]

Anyone know what that fire sword stitch is?

[@BLACKGHOST21100]

An oversight is not a bug. KI fault

[@nick9124]

Idk, game is faulty, people took advantage, spent their own money, Get banned? Weird resolution from developers. Edit: you make a lot of sense with the badge lock and I hope they watch you, considering your status in the community, and listen 💯

[@onimaru2933]

Is it possible to get the gear for free

[@zaypvp4467]

3:12 isnt that what this game is about tbh, people have advantages when they spend money on the game, yes it was an exploit but the argument that people worked hard for this gear and people "ignored" it thats a slap in the face to all players who decide to PTW. This game is completely PTW, when people complete the raid are they now allowed to spam the chest idk where these things fall into place but i believe the raid was too difficult and you're spending all this time for keys and azoth etc for 2 months you would feel obligated to pay for it cuz thats all wiz is known for.

[@djkang9222]

I mean let us buy it? Raids isnt accessible to a casual player.

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

interesting video on this soon!

[@blursedd]

Just make the gear non pvp for a while. That'd probably do the trick

[@liahmisavibe]

AMEN

[@Rin_nohara7]

I just wanna say they only did this to accounts had they gear I still have both alts accounts

[@SpaceSandwhich]

Suspend the accounts make the drops into a pack flood the market. Make better gear for raid

[@whoisaid]

There’s so many things you can do with Wiz I can never show on stream. You gotta show respect to the community and the devs. The suspension was a slap on the wrist. Let’s watch out for Wallaru

[@crazedmancer2122]

That is funny as hell

[@failpip4235]

You chose to exploit. Exploiting is against the rules. Do the crime, do the time No exceptions

[@sana8087]

Whys my mans riding a fat fish

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

its a KOI

[@marctijerina7191]

Been awhile sauce

[@madefromstardust2250]

im so high rn

[@brendan4994]

…but don’t you use your platform to get people who beat you in PVP false reported?

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

wanna provide evidence on me reporting specifically on the basis of being beaten? oh that evidence doesn't exist? shocker

[@garrett1282]

I am speed

[@Rin_nohara7]

First

[@AwesomeTheSauce]

my mans beat second by 2 seconds

[@Rin_nohara7]

Just wanna say I love the streams ❤🎉

[@xin215]

I normally don't like when KI sanctions people over KI's mistakes but if it was just temporary suspensions I'm ok with it. Capitalizing off of something in my opinion is ok. Sabotaging something intentionally though isn't. It's a touchy subject because of the gear and nobody being able to beat the boss but i dunno i'm more or less neutral on the action taken. I think KI should stop punishing people for their own mistakes but sometimes it's the only thing you can do. And it isn't really a punishment if they still can keep the gear.

[@HokageOfTheWeed]

I am a destiny 2 player mainly now and there are tons of in game bugs and exploits that get abused hard but the community has never been punished. There was a bug just a week ago where we could craft guns with different perks intended for completely different guns as a result people could solo and earn the hardest achievements and gear and challenges with no repercussions It is wild to see KI doing this

[@failpip4235]

The guns are ACQUIRED legally in D2. That's the big difference.

[@JustBelovedYT]

Make sure to sauce that like button or else you're not Awesome

[@dylangamez110]

First