WMD vs. Fail Zero vs. PSA: Nickel Boron BCGs

[@richardlahan7068]

No reputable gunsmith will tell you not to lightly lube a bolt carrier, regardless of the coating.

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

I add at least one or two drops of oil to all carrier groups.

[@allencameron6151]

"Nickel Boron's natural surface lubricity is not a substitute for normal rifle lubrication." - Palmetto State Armory palmettostatearmory.com/psa-5-56-nickel-boron-bcg-with-carpenter-158-bolt-516446450.html

[@noncompliant209cali]

They most definitely do not recommend not using oil

[@irishmo87]

My WMD bolt won't hold the carrier up if I stand it on end. Always been told that means I need new gas rings. Is this true for these BCGs as well and if so where can I find new gas rings for it?

[@zacharygillette7810]

Google.

[@jimmysmith3255]

I have two fail zeros both look and function perfect. If I got one with tool marks I would have returned immediately and not installed. Besides, fail zero has patented the the best nickel boron formula.

[@johnnybbgunner2136]

I have the Palmetto 2021 boron coated version coming into my mailbox next week.

[@jerimya5419]

I just ordered the FailZero Elite Kit. Comes with the complete BCG and enhanced single stage combat trigger group, all coated in the EXO Nickle Boron. $199

[@AkMedMan1]

You don't "need" to oil these but you damn well should lol

[@mitchellbrenner2210]

did you listen at all?

[@shananagans5]

I have a FailZero & a WMD & I gotta say I like the WMD better. The finish & machine work is cleaner & it's staying cleaner over time. Also, my FailZero has NibX partially blocking the vent holes & the hole for the ejector pin is clogged & it can't be replaced. I have also noticed many manufacturers got a bit sloppy during the rush & you see more tool marks etc on things made in that time period.

[@Nacturnal702]

I have the PSA and I put a little oil in my fingers and coat it, and it works great,after 2000 plus rounds still works great.

[@OmarReyes79]

Thank you! this is what I was looking for. I don't care how a BCG looks, as long as its mil-spec and works.

[@KTMOSLEY]

Update on your WMD bcg?

[@lonnslocolifetv7508]

It's not supposed to look like that the fail 0 is supposed to have their logo and a clean Chrome look

[@janwilliams178]

Been running a fail zero for more than a year with no problems.

[@dennisjwest.7016]

I'd buy the psa ,life time guarantee, at half the cost,,,

[@joecader]

So is WMD.

[@buddymorgan4165]

PSA do they make or manufactur a BCG ?

[@trentrockwell6598]

For most shooters PSA and other budget but not to budget bcg’s will be fine if you are wanting something higher quality you will pay more I purchased a Cryptic coatings BCG in mystic Black they are made By Toolcraft I believe but it is the highest quality bcg they make than cryptic works their magic with the coating which is even better than NiB and lasts Longer without wear, Lowers heat etc The price is steep at $289 shipped for a brand new one they do offer blemished for $30 less

[@jayonez13]

Of course you oil the BCG. The point of nickel boron is if you run dry it's more reliable and cleans up easier. But of course you need oil

[@ScooterTrashTactical]

My Fail Zero was so slick when I got it I couldn't pick it up w/o using 2 hands

[@MannyScoot]

I have a WMD high polished nickel boron for my 7.62x39 AR and after 60k + rounds it's still beautiful ..... all I do is change the gas rings every 6 months..... I shoot 1,000 rounds every weekend .....

[@pdog305301]

Failzero BCG's at $100 is what I usually go for. I just wait for them to go on sale. That Failzero bolt you got is pretty rough with tooling marks everywhere on the carrier.

[@Cavemanheartrock]

been looking at wmd's for a while and was planning to get one when I did my next build. Good news, i'm doing my next build and got me a wmd :) "blemished" and saved about 30 bucks.

[@billfast]

A little picky on the finish.

[@royayers276]

Dont listen to this guy. ALWAYS oil your bcg no matter the finish

[@johnfranklin4980]

Yeah they all still recommend light lube.. My Lantac nib even came with froglube with instructions to apply first which I didn't do because I don't like froglube lol. But nonetheless you have gotten some bad information there from someone.

[@johnnytactical3054]

My PSA NiB BCG came with blemishes and some gouging. The Bolt was fine, I'm glad i only paid $119. If it was priced like most NiB like Spikes and Fail Zero I would be pissed

[@vincetaylor3948]

Fail zero is priced at 120 now primary arms

[@BrassBashers]

vince black True, but only the AR and not the M16 bcg. You'll also be well advised to buy the NIB hammer as well, but it's only $17 on fail zero's site

[@ModernDayTemplar606]

I have ran several brands and all need lube if not they will turn dark scorched looking and ruin The coating. WMD is now my only choice they got the perfection and Durability correct. The hole you are describing as a oil hole is a gas pressure release port hole you can watch in slow motion video the gasses escape though them as it cycles.

[@pjshooter6]

im with rusty on this, i put an average of 500 to 1000 rounds through my rifle each tim i go to the range. thats about 1 time a month sometimes 2 times. i dont take every firearm everytime i go, normally 1 or 2 rifles and 1 or 2 handguns. each of which i take at least 500 rounds each.

[@floridaredfishin8209]

Uhm, you're supposed to use oil with these. Just a small amount. If you don't use oil, over time of non use the bolt carrier will lock up the gun, and take a damn mallet to get it in to battery. ALWAYS use a small amount of lube on any bolt carrier group.

[@imbrandon16]

DUDE, YOU SHOULD SEND THAT CRAP BACK TO FAIL ZERO! I HAVE THE SAME BCG AND ITS WAY SHINYER, AND IT DOESNT HAVE ANY OF THOSE TOOL MARKS ITS SMOOTH ALL OVER.

[@MrFlhx103]

Not a Failzero part, their finish is not dark that yours. I have all my bolts, slides, and barrels done with no problems and no tooling marks.

[@gunsrus777]

Probably a knock off FZ!! Mine doesn’t look like that at all!

[@stevenlong1930]

No oil? Didnt the govt tell that to the troops in French Indochina? How did that work out?

[@jodyfelland2162]

You're so right. You are not an expert.

[@totljag1]

I notice u don't show the bottom for wear ??????

[@mitchellbrenner2210]

my fail zero bcg doesn't have the machining marks on mine but that's werid

[@themouas]

I don't believe you have a FailZero bro, I got two FailZeros and they are very nice, in fact they're nicer than anything I've seen.

[@bigmando78]

I I'll use 77 it

[@Bmacvlogs23]

how did the psa bcg hold up I just bought one

[@Solidous281r6]

I think you got a knockoff fail zero, they are laser etched “fail zero”

[@joshwichert7512]

The reason there are tooling marks on nib bcg's is because that particular type of coating doesnt fill in cracks like the finish on a typical bcg

[@asymsolutions]

That's not how nickel boron works...it "grows" as applied to a surface in microscopic columns with gaps, this means that the actual area of contact between the two surfaces is greatly reduced giving that smooth feel. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaline_electroless_nickel_boron_coating

[@jthrasher47]

I know this video is old as it can be but God damn it they miss information you are supposed to add oil...just not as often and not as much it actually says on the manufacturer's website it does not replace the use of oil...

[@rickpeck7068]

That is not a Fail Zero BCG. They are all laser marked with the logo.

[@briancuprisin4571]

That "E" stands for "Eek, my AR just blew up in my face!"

[@reelnative01]

Just got my psa nb carrier group in today and you could not buy a better looking carrier at any price no tool marks anywhere and slick as it could be

[@CountArtha]

I'm pretty sure oil IS recommended. You just don't need as much.

[@timothythomas1626]

ToolCraft Makes PSA BCG'S

[@money9953]

I think those are the blemished marks, I am not foresure . but I know they mark them a certain way if they are blem. also the cost is less on the blem ones. just a thought

[@DNGJustSnakes]

All three of these companies do not make the BCGs...WMD and Fail-zero are finishing companies...PSA are finished by either WMD or Fail-zero...I only use WMD or carriers that I know WMD did the finish job on as they are the best.Also use a WMD Nib coated upper receiver....Fail-zero does a pretty good job also...The WMD guys used to work for Fail-zero...I have several thousand rounds through my WMD and have never used lube...I use some Rem oil to clean with but other than that no lube...Never have had a problem of any kind...With my David Tubb buffer spring and the WMD BCG I can put all the brass into a bucket ...

[@dontask8979]

Last Fail Zero I got was $99 The one before that....$99 Keep shopping

[@Armedlegally]

Atleast yours aren't flaking off like the ones from RGUNS, which is a totaly crappy company. I 've gone through two BCG's from them both flaked after a day at the range. Thanks for doing this video though gives us a nice compare

[@wrightconnection2204]

I've heard that the Nickel Boron finish actually has tiny bumps on the surface kind of like taste buds on your tongue giving it less surface area to make contact on your upper receiver that gives it the slick feeling. Like you, I like my WMD over my Spikes Tactical. Good video, thanks for making it!

[@shizukaryujoukai2465]

I deffidentally still will oil mine

[@midniteoyl8913]

Put your hand behind the part when doing closeups to help the camera focus.

[@jshphysicistatyahoo]

Not a fair comparison. You put one thousand plus rounds through the FZ, but only a magazine through the WMD. That is one and a half orders of magnitude!! Furthermore, it is not clear if the FZ came in black originally, or did it wind up all burnt looking like that over time, possibly because You did not lube it? (Yes! I heard You say it is supposed to be run dry. But that just sounds stupid to me. It is like a dare. Not a maintenance tip.) I have no preference, really. I'm shopping for my first AR15 and only have the stripped lower and upper. Anyway, I agree the WMD looks the sharpest from other pics I examined, though really, what do pics tell You? Truth is I'm a fool and I don't know whom to trust.

[@HuskyKMA]

You don't lube the majority of a carrier, so that's not why it would have turned black.

[@clloydhi]

Put your hand behind the item you are trying to show so it focuses. You have to block the background.

[@GeorgeKnew]

That Fail Zero BCG is not right... must be a factory blem. Looks almost un-coated and unfinished... I'd contact them and I bet they send out a new one ASAP. IMHO, Fail Zero makes the best NiB BCG, so that POS you have is a disgrace... but shit happens to every manufacturer, so I doubt they will change their name to Fail Once! ;-) BTW: Definitely want to keep the gas rings lubed... and some lube on the whole thing will not hurt... I use Slick50 or Frog Lube. Skoal!

[@iamjonnywick]

lmao Fail Once!!!!

[@gandalf1380]

Failzero is garbage. I purchased two of their BCG and neither was staked adequately. The staking wasn’t even touching the screws on either one. Fail 100%

[@money9953]

on the PSA

[@brycelawmaster3746]

still need oil!

[@mrrustygray]

1000 rounds. That is one weekend for me. My oldest AR has 25k through it.

[@mzondi1970]

I call BS on this claim. Unless your rifle is very old are you make a ton of money. at $0.33 around average that's almost $9,000 and ammunition and quite a bit if you do reloads

[@casualcall8591]

he could be old also, I put 200 rounds through my AR day I got it and I'm talking just 2 hours at the range, not a range day andddddddddddd I live in California. Believe it

[@Glory2America]

Believe it ! It's real easy to go thru 5.56 when you're having fun 👉💨

[@mzondi1970]

Not saying that is the tough part. The expense is what I was referring too. THat is almost a 1000 dollars a month for a year. Yes it can bee done but a lot of disposable income I guess

[@OmarReyes79]

Its possible he spent 200 a month for 5 years. He never stated the age of his oldest AR nor the frequency in which he has 1,000 round weekends. One thing to note, there are some tactical shooting courses that require you to bring 1,000 rounds for the training. Its not unreasonable to go through 1,000 rounds in a weekend.

[@tazerface8659]

Lost credibility at 0:45

[@robertmoran4841]

NO CLUE WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, DOING A VIDEO ON 3 BOLT CARRIER GROUPS, WITH UNDER 1500 RNDS THROUGH ALL OF THEM. YOUR KIDDING. COME BACK AFTER 15000 THOUSAND RNDS. WHAT A JOKE.

[@georgewashington938]

sorry, but that lack of focus ruined the video

[@JayzBeerz]

I come to these videos to compared staked gas keys and not one video on youtube focuses on the gas key being staked. Not a real AR guy I see.

[@AbideinChristSealed]

Thanks but please get a good camera if you're going to do youtube vids.

[@brandonyoung7760]

Can you smack your lips a little more?

[@rkashsggeggr6285]

Stop smacking when you talk please

[@alanbmx321]

None of the areas you see tooling marks contact the upper. Only the 4 lands make contact. All non issues