Woman Pleaded Guilty to Fatally Shoving Beloved Vocal Coach

Lauren Pazienza pleaded guilty to manslaughter in the pushing death of a beloved 87-year-old vocal coach. Prosecutors say Pazienza was out celebrating with her fiancé when she stormed off in a fit of anger. That's when cops say she passed Barbara Gustern and shoved her for no reason. Gustern hit her head and died five days later. Two weeks after the incident, Pazienza turned herself in.

[@FDR-ww6xz]

She just randomly pushed and killed an innocent old lady because of her anger. That's just selfish and cruel.

[@ibreak4pie990]

yeah, and to get only 8 years!!! talk about a FLAWED System... 🧐

[@nicoleraheem1195]

​@@ibreak4pie990 That rapper guy got 10 years for shooting Megan in the foot but this lady gets 8 years for pushing an elderly to her death.

[@missf4681]

Her Family is rich and she's entitled do yiu think she was going to get big time?

[@nailartguy3363]

⁠@@ibreak4pie990Well she pleaded guilty so it’s not really flawed for her to get a reduced sentence. If you plead guilty you tend to get a deal for a lesser charge. What other incentive would there be for a defendant to plead guilty if they didn’t get anything out of it? Everyone would just go to trial and try to get off. That would cost taxpayers more money and take up the valuable time of prosecutors and the court system. So if you plead guilty, a lesser sentence makes total sense.

[@nailartguy3363]

@@nicoleraheem1195She pleaded guilty to a lesser charge, he went to trial and was found guilty. That’s the difference.

[@user-vs3nt8ch2q]

the fact a judge agreed that 8 yrs was fair to take someones life out of pure selfishness is beyond disgraceful

[@odius94]

That's manslaughter, duh.

[@miniaturesun]

And she’ll probably only wind up serving a couple of years of that sentence.

[@Xilent1]

They thought it was the White thing to do. Sorry to break it to you

[@heavenlymars6685]

@@odius94And that should not be any different from actual murder.

[@LittleDickJohnson]

​@@Xilent1ehhh. Have you been to Baltimore or Chicago? Black folks can legally kill

[@cosmicxfungi2939]

Imagine living such a long life only to go out in such a senseless, horrific way. She definitely deserves more than 8 years in prison

[@marz_mitzi]

agreed 100%

[@maria89]

she was pushed once, it's not like she was gutted in the street. i don't think the woman meant for her to die... that said, i 100% agree that it was completely senseless. she ended a life and irrevocably ruined her own because of ONE MOMENT of anger.

[@gregthompson8062]

She needs the death penalty on public television like isis does.

[@dachicagoan8185]

That's it? 8 years? The judge had a crush on her

[@MenAreNotOk]

Horrific? To be pushed? You need to get some life experience. Being pushed is hardly horrific.

[@jewellerylove]

This is the adult equivalent of a 2 year old lashing out because they didn’t get what they want!! I have to wonder how this woman reached adulthood without learning that her feelings aren’t more important than other people’s health or happiness, or even their life! 8 years is nowhere near enough time for this senseless murder.

[@synchronium24]

I was with you until the last sentence. 8 years sounds about right for manslaughter.

[@danielmiller9012]

The charge was 1st degree manslaughter and she took a plea deal. if they charged her with 1st or 2nd degree murder she would've walked.

[@Adelicows]

Some people just have a hard time controlling themselves. That doesn't mean she thought it was ok. It's ridiculous to suggest that she thought her anger was more valuable than that lady's life. She was raging and snapped.

[@freshlyfishedbread5567]

@@Adelicows nha mate, pushing a random nobody is controllable behavior for anyone above 8

[@Pyro_Might]

You can do everything right, but all it takes is one selfish person having a bad day.

[@pamelawoodcock4778]

So very true

[@casanovafrankenstein8538]

Words of the wise..

[@davidthedeaf]

Have no doubt the elderly woman is resting in peace with great rewards, but this young woman has just ruined her entire life on earth and damned herself.

[@immasavage2905]

That’s why you need to be strong, learn how to fight and defend yourself against those bad people out there

[@Elena-ht7ku]

​@@davidthedeafWho cares about the murderer 😮😮😮😮😮

[@haleythomas5854]

“She took away my best friend.” 🥺 How heartbreaking to lose your grandma so senselessly.

[@sovietonion72]

Should've been 25 years 😡

[@salm8990]

That one hurt to hear for sure. Sad

[@ag95mboy]

@@char2283said the grandson in the interview literally in the video

[@LLL417]

She looked like she was on the way out anyway… if you die from falling over…

[@lium24]

@@LLL417bruh what is wrong with you

[@8BitLatinGamer]

Wow 8 years? For killing an elderly person. SMH.

[@IceGuille49]

She is a white + a woman... of course she wouldn't get any harsh sentence 🤮

[@michaelfolz971]

I know, you shouldn’t be able to get more time in the jail then the victim had to live, so she should have gotten 5 years max.

[@Virgo322]

Should have gotten life

[@Dontaskmeforshit]

@@michaelfolz971I pray that you only have 5 years or less left to live

[@andrew2377]

There is a difference between trying to murder someone or beating them to death than shoving someone and them happening to die from hitting there head on the ground. Why can't people understand this?

[@AnonymousG757]

This is the result of a spoiled brat who never received consequences for her actions/tantrums as a kid who has now grown up into an adult who doesn’t receive consequences for her actions. 8 years. What a joke. Does that innocent woman get to come back to life in 8 years? No. Does the victim’s families get to restore their life in 8 years? No. For them, it’s permanent. So should her sentence.

[@KE-yq2eg]

But she didn't think the old woman would die. She doesn't deserve a full sentence as this isn't in anyway comparable to homicides with intended murder.

[@nostoneunturned7641]

​@@KE-yq2egintent only matters to the guilty party.

[@nostoneunturned7641]

​@@KE-yq2egI'd be willing to be a very shiny penny you'd feel different if it was your grandmother or loved one.

[@everlasting9292]

She shoved her and left her to suffer. It would have been a completely different story if she had realized her mistake and stayed to help her after hurting her. But she didn’t. She pushed her aside like a stray bit of lint or a paper stuck to her shoe. How disgusting.

[@lynnmartz8739]

So she LEFT? ! And then hid out?! Until someone else identified her?! WOW. The fiance might well want to reconsider.

[@troycambo]

no one could guess a little fall and she'd be dead. she probably thought she was fine

[@Sora-ING]

​@@troycambo so, her looking back at the elderly multiple times as she walked away was "she thought she was fine"?

[@double_joseph327]

@@troycambobesides the point if she called 911 and attempted to help the lady and know she made a mistake. She probably would not be doing 8 years in prison. iMO she should get at least 20 years for her actions.

[@Readysetgo2007]

​@@double_joseph327That's horrible. Think she deserves at least 12 years of prison. For the lack of empathy...

[@Laz3rCat95]

It's ok to be angry, but it's NOT ok to take your anger out on innocent people that have nothing to do with the reason why you're angry.

[@troycambo]

you sound angry

[@quitenerdy1]

Thanks John Madden

[@Readysetgo2007]

Yeah... Who does that? It's just very weird.

[@rachelsill79]

​@@troycamboyou hear voices. That might be your problem. Maybe you should talk to somebody about the voices you hear

[@roseskull97]

That's exactly what I always teach my 6 yr old

[@niico76]

Ms. Barbara Gustern sounds like she was an amazing woman, still singing and teaching at 87….such a tragedy.

[@DevinDomino]

It really is. I went to school with Lauren at FIT. I had a few classes with her and we had some mutual friends. Never would have imagined she would do something so horrific. She wasn’t very kind, didn’t smile much. She looks to have gained a lot of weight too.

[@rogerguerra4576]

I'm pretty sure the judge was white💯 privileged.

[@stadtjer689]

@@DevinDominoit looks like you said “she didn’t smile much” as being indicative of her not being kind, but I just want to say that people can have many reasons not to smile. Depression for instance. Anyway, if you didn’t say that as an indication of her not being kind, please ignore this :)

[@DevinDomino]

@@stadtjer689 yeah I completely get it. Not sure how her mental health state was. She had more of a RBF. But in all honesty, a lot of girls at FIT (Fashion Institute of Technology) were very privileged and came from wealthy families. So she was one of many that wasn’t kind.

[@kaspur9]

She absolutely was. I was very lucky to have taken weekly lessons with her for about 6 months and not only was she a wonderful and patient teacher but a genuinely nice and gifted person who cared deeply about her students even the ones like me who weren’t particularly vocally talented. (She taught some very talented people) I still do the exercises we practiced and I’ll always remember the conversations we had. She was a lot of fun and had a lot of energy and I’m certain she is missed and beloved by a lot of people.

[@NiaG34]

This whole thing is so sad. This is why people need to learn why it’s never okay to take their anger out on other people.

[@mattharrison5068]

and they're not going to learn it if we hand them short sentences and they just get out for good behavior.

[@NiaG34]

@@mattharrison5068 I guess it depends on the situation.

[@its_mybusiness]

How did she only receive 8 years? May have not been premeditated but she did mean to cause harm nonetheless. Seems unfair. Condolences to the family.

[@wg3951]

It’s white people thing

[@ricardosalazar1150]

She's rich

[@xmusicmanx1]

​@@Coldfeverx3eat 💩 🐵

[@Coldfeverx3]

@@xmusicmanx1 *thanks for proving my point. Racist always get their way out of the corrupted justice system.*

[@ThomasOsaki]

the same reason why we have tons of ex convicts on our streets continuing to commit crimes. she got a normal deal.

[@flame-sky7148]

RIP coach, your life was way more important than your killer will have.

[@serg_og]

She was ur coach?

[@aaronjames3228]

You don't know that

[@aaronjames3228]

​@@serg_ogthey might just be calling her that because it was her title

[@troycambo]

you don't even know her damn name but yeh let's harvest that sweet sweet karma

[@xiny-chi]

yes!!!

[@kyle6209]

This woman killed someone and did not care until she was arrested. She should have more then eight years. It’s murder

[@andrew2377]

No, she turned herself in. And it's involuntary manslaughter.

[@nailartguy3363]

Yes, but she plead guilty to manslaughter so she got a lighter sentence. The courts have to give defendants who plead guilty an incentive, otherwise no one would ever plead guilty and everyone would go to trial and hope they could convince one juror to believe them.

[@johanna2690]

per definition it´s manslaughter

[@Zeromaus]

It was an accident.

[@scottyreeves8489]

She cared, she turned herself in

[@dahliarose6986]

But why? Why would she do that? How could see?! This was someone's wife, mother, and a grandmother. A mentor to others... 💔

[@somedudeonyoutube9031]

Mental health

[@Andy-xx3tt]

Unless her fiancé is just as awful as she is, he’s an idiot if he doesn’t think this is something worth breaking up over. She attacked a vulnerable person because she was in a bad mood. People like her will always look for someone to take their anger out on. If not him, any kids they have will be her punching bags. Count on it.

[@KlodFather]

Yep he was spared. She will be in jail and he will not wait. Commom sense will set in and he will move on. I would not wish this screw on anyone.

[@blazinpyromaniac]

This guy isn't waiting 8 years lmao

[@artistli8036]

@@nocomment4848 Yup. It's all right if it's all white

[@aaronmicalowe]

He may yet leave her, but don't you think it's his choice?

[@moniquee.7106]

There's no way he's waiting 8 years for her . I give it 5 good years if that .

[@victoriakay2136]

This act was indicative of her core personality. She is a mean spirited, spoiled terrible person. Condolences to the family on the loss of your precious matriarch.

[@MrSloika]

Her parents hid her after the crime. When this little POS was arrested her mother showed up in court with a check for $500,000 to pay her bail.

[@Geojr815]

You don’t know a thing about her. She wasn’t trying to kill anyone. You didn’t even see it happen. She has to lose 8 years of her life for a moment of rage and stupidity. Have some empathy damn

[@newera5238]

Yes, this comment make so much sense 💯

[@matthewlucent7645]

Her fiance dodged a bullet here.

[@shaunhunterit342]

She did turn herself in and plead guilty. That shows she has something of a conscience.

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

The only thing she regrets is that she was caught on camera and the victim was so well-connected to famous people. Pathetic.

[@tommyl5319]

Based on what? Have you been following the story?

[@uhhgreetings1954]

She’ll burn in hell, so it doesn’t matter to me

[@eradurk4364]

@@tommyl5319she turned herself in two weeks later.. probably cause of how big it was on media. But wouldn’t of otherwise

[@troycambo]

she gave herself in. the cops would never have found her

[@Readysetgo2007]

​@@troycamboThey had her picture so they probably would have found her.

[@mattg6390]

This is one of the more disgusting manslaughter cases. It was SO easy to avoid. Just don’t be a psychopath. RIP to the innocent old lady. We all have to understand that all it takes is one moment of turning our brains off to have a permanent negative impact on society forever. That’s what happened here

[@opo3628]

8 years in prison is not *nearly* enough. This woman literally took the life of an innocent stranger just because she was having a bad hair day. We don't need crazies like that walking among us.

[@oooohapenny4707]

amogus

[@Willppyro]

If that was my grandma she would be praying she never gets out of prison

[@troycambo]

accidents happen. Like you never made a mistake..

[@HanakoFairhall]

​@troyvietnam I have, but they never involved shoving old ladies to the ground, "no shoving" was like, respectable behavior 101 when I was a kid

[@oooohapenny4707]

@@Willppyro it's impossible to accidentally, maliciously, assault someone on the street.

[@tameramares5785]

Only 8 years?!? There is no justice in our "justice" system!!

[@Sora-ING]

She white and a woman. There'll never be any justice with people like that

[@tgvinfinite2607]

@@Sora-ING found the reply about race

[@dippyfresh1116]

Legal system, not a justice system

[@bidoof8361]

@@Sora-ING has nothing to do with the fact she's white she's rich and when you rich you can actually afford decent lawyers to make a plea deal and it is true women do get lesser time for the same offenses but you never hear the feminist crying about that it's all about the pay Gap.

[@tgvinfinite2607]

@@bidoof8361 bro learn to recognize bait lmao

[@thomasstarlingcollector8157]

How does someone who deliberately pushed someone and killed them get 8 years yet the guy who accidentally killed 4 people in his truck initially gets a sentence of 110 years… this justice system is something else.

[@goodguy...badrep.]

We all know why.

[@peppapigthekiller7539]

You mean the guy that didn’t take the runaway truck ramps?

[@ElleGen]

That is so sad. He obviously didn't do that on purpose. Horrible accident.

[@LannieLord]

FACT: If your family can afford one of those $5000.00 a day lawyers : YOU will get a light sentence. Truck guy probably had no money.

[@ElleGen]

@@LannieLord Truck guy would have had the charges dropped if he had a decent lawyer.

[@Floppysockies]

Temporary emotion, long term consequence. So sad for the victim and her family :(

[@princessadewale2903]

My grandma always told me that anger can kill. This is so sad 🥺🥺

[@PhoenixPrime]

The fact that she only got eight years is just messed up. She deserves a longer sentence!!

[@sincantations]

@@datagrab she pleaded guilty. in what universe would a plea deal be a life sentence for anyone log out and open a book i beg

[@dutchvanderlinde2002]

​@@datagrabShe plead guilty and secondly it was manslaughter she could've gotten less time.

[@Sora-ING]

To the morons saying "oh she pleaded guilty": She ONLY pleaded guilty when she got caught and realized that there was no way out. Why do you think it took her 2 weeks to turn herself in? Oh yeah, because her image was in the media. If there were no cameras, then she would've just gone on with her life with no remorse

[@sincantations]

@@Sora-ING while that's true what about that makes it possible to give someone a life sentence for a plea deal that's just not how the law works like it or not

[@PhoenixPrime]

@@datagrab I _am_ with the times, thank you very much. 😊

[@CM-dx6xu]

Reminder that one single action could put you behind bars and basically ruin your life. Never EVER hurt someone. It is a last resort.

[@merle-wq9ir]

Wow how senseless and what pathetic behaviour. Fiancée missed a bullet if his wise!

[@Callsignethiopia]

She’ll literally be out in like 2 years back on instagram and facebook shordy got a free body

[@CatMowpurr]

@@merle-wq9irhow so? I hope he gets charged for making her mad. Probably didn’t do his job as a groom

[@CatMowpurr]

@@merle-wq9irthe fiancé is still engaged because he knows he did wrong and didn’t calm her down

[@jannibal9273]

Last resort means you're fighting for your own life against an attacker, not deciding that you, a 30 something hefty woman is just going to knock over an old lady she DOES NOT KNOW on an emptied street in the middle of the night and there's nobody around to help the victim, just because the murderer had a fight with her "fiance."

[@Myahseemyah]

She murdered someone and got 8 years. What a slap in the face. She deserved a life sentence.

[@Taishenkai]

This woman died because of another woman’s temper tantrum and disgusting behavior and all the judge could do is give her 8yrs!? that’s messed up and if the fiancé has any wisdom he would call off that engagement and move on with his life seeing as tho this woman is toxic to the point where she could harm him or worse he should leave while he still can. And for the victims family I give my condolences

[@LoveClassicMusic0205]

The fiancee sounds like a blue pilled simp for staying with her. She stormed off after having an argument with him, then shoved this innocent woman causing her death. That's giant red flag right there.

[@ImkokraChan]

​@@LoveClassicMusic0205women like her tend to find miserable men such as him she can control, being with such freak is preferable to him rather than staying single. It's pathetic. I've personally known men in relationship such as this

[@halloweenfan158]

It’s called manslaughter mate. The more premeditated a murder is, the longer the sentence. This one wasn’t premeditated so it’s not that long

[@kimwarner1681]

Can’t imagine anyone showing up to that wedding

[@kimwarner1681]

@@halloweenfan158I hear you but they should change that one. And plea bargains. That woman never did anything to her , premeditated or not, pain and loss of life is still pain & loss of life, she still suffered a horrific death.

[@th1s1guysays1]

Absolutely terrible, the fact that she deliberately crossed the street to do it also just makes me sick. Temporary feelings that she acted upon changed the course of her life and someone else’s forever.

[@themindeclectic9821]

And you heard that where?

[@jesney0842]

Shes rich, her life will be fine. The poor elderly lady will forever be dead, however.

[@Dystopiaworld]

So if she crossed street to do this then it was premeditated....

[@Aryankingz]

@@Dystopiaworld the average person would have survived the shove. Do you think she was expecting the lady to die?

[@CeeCeeB.]

​@@themindeclectic9821does it matter???

[@theresenydahl9531]

Eight years is an insult, she should have got at least thirty years for taking the lady's life.

[@YesItsReallyKeith]

no 30 is just as ridiculous as 8 !!

[@r.d.ramirez9157]

And she'll be out in half the time with good behavior!

[@afaf162]

Should have been 69 years!

[@ibreak4pie990]

TRUE, 8 Years is a Slap in the Face to the lady that died...

[@PaulPavloPablo]

because she's white and a female. That's a privileged group.

[@diane7295]

It’s so shameful that she only got 8 years & could possibly be out sooner. Prayers to her victim and family, a much loved and talented lady. ❤❤❤

[@moonbeeps]

The intention is important, I doubt it was intentional, let alone kill that person. She was angry and probably pushed her aside, not even acknowledging if that person was an elder person or not. Not excusing her, but I doubt she would do something like this again. An actual murderer would attempt to do it again.

[@deidresable]

It was intentional

[@moonbeeps]

@@deidresable The push was intentional, killing a person certainly was not.

[@deidresable]

@@moonbeeps We all know the reason she only get 8 years is just because she was a woman.

[@moonbeeps]

@@deidresable lol what? People get sentences independent of their sex. You do not know how justice works huh.

[@MayTheOddsBeInYourFavor]

This is why I try to control my temper and my anger. It’s EASY to lash out in seconds but the damage caused could last YEARS

[@tallbeanerboi6915]

The damage that was done will stick with this women for life.

[@MayTheOddsBeInYourFavor]

@@tallbeanerboi6915 facts. Her and the family

[@EternalQuestion]

Not years mate. She killed someone. That's for eternity.

[@gwailo27]

Possibly the most sensible comment on here.

[@Hardcastle83]

@@EternalQuestion The old lady was going to live for eternity?

[@yadinavarro9810]

She even crossed the street to push her! This lady did nothing to her . 8 years?😡

[@user-er3ri6sc3j]

Uncontrolled rage is dangerous.

[@bernieoconnell5515]

Shocking woman. RIP dear lady.

[@-dash]

She turned herself in, which I suppose is something

[@bepolite6961]

@@-dash My guess is that someone recognised her and gave her the option before they identified her to the cops.

[@-dash]

@@bepolite6961 Either way, that may have gone into the sentencing calculus

[@DeoxysDNA]

You have to be pretty spoiled and privileged to think you can do that to a stranger on the street just because you're in a bad mood.

[@Allenluvable]

8 years? That's insanely disrespectful to the victim and her family. It gives off, "well she was old, so she was probably gonna die soon anyway." Energy.

[@flexor212000]

The fact that she waited 2 weeks before she turned herself in tells you a lot about her.

[@MarcelLWalker]

Once the story broke, she was probably seeking legal council and preparing for everything that followed. The circumstances were terrible, but the reaction isn't so unusual.

[@kissit012]

She had a wedding, job, family, etc to consider because of her choice. Two weeks is a reasonable amount for any rational person to do so

[@BbcQueen87]

She gets a pass no matter if its death or not ... Unfortunately

[@jlassonful]

that sounds like a sociopath @@kissit012 you think the guy will still marry her? lol

[@bl8388]

@@kissit012 And we don't have the footage. We don't even know if she saw what happened after pushing the lady. No context they're just assuming the worst.

[@originalmings1991]

Teaching kids to keep their hands to themselves is very important. The entitlement to put hands on another in a fit of anger must be addressed in early childhood to help prevent such adult stupidity

[@chemeister]

Easier said than done.

[@julieuk5855]

@originalmings1991 very well said.

[@kittydollsxo189]

She could have been taught these things But people can be terrible people

[@theselittlepigsstayedhome]

Welcome to the result of gentle parenting. Girl clearly was a brat

[@felix121984]

Thank you for thinking about everybody.

[@longgrayline8055]

I have an 84 year old mother. If another human were to do such a thing to her, I can promise them that they’d be at the gates of Hell soon thereafter. They wouldn’t make it to jail or court.

[@sugarspice8300]

This!

[@badrrharri]

street justice is the real justice

[@Paul-vf2wl]

Sure thing gangster lol

[@Dippa1991]

Sure but I think you would, if that’s the case

[@MissNunya1]

Anyone capable of this should be in prison far longer!! No matter how bad your day was, how could you intentionally push an innocent, frail elderly lady?? My heart goes out to her family ❤

[@rjchavers9267]

I'm so sorry for the loss of the poor lady and her loved ones. Eight years doesn't seem right, too little for what she took away.

[@tommyl5319]

I mean, she was upset and did something selfish, but she obviously didn't mean to kill anyone. It's just really tragic. You see people violently shoving others around all the time in video clips. Some get hurt, but death is not the typical result. I think 8 years is not too little, especially since it looks like she's already deeply remorseful and will likely never push anyone ever again. She also has to live with what she did. I had some people really messing with me once and I pushed some of them aside to leave. If one had fallen and died as a result, I'd be deeply broken.

[@mashupmusic4459]

@@tommyl5319Yeah, but dude, anybody shouldn't be shoving innocents cause your hatred takes over. The elderly lady was walking, and suddenly, she got assaulted out of nowhere. If she wasn't expecting to cause murder, then think about how much force she had to do just for her to be deceased. I'm pretty sure that lady hit the sidewalk concrete hard, and it must’ve been a brutal push, too. That lady should have known better than not to assault or lay her hands on anybody, even though how much hate you have for one person.

[@mashupmusic4459]

@@tommyl5319And if you’re talking about pushing someone while at school, then that's understandable but in public places, is unnecessarily not acceptable. If someone laid their hands on me first, then I would just push back for defense, yk?

[@rondolavino7778]

Your example of people messing with you is not that good here. That old lady was minding her business and I bet she wasn’t making contact with that selfish woman. So yes 8 years is too little.

[@prizo4822]

The lady was old and nearing her death bed, 8 years is far too much. Think of it like this, would you do 8 years when a lady that is about to die in a month or two dies from a small push from you?

[@killcar5nbike2]

Imagine getting to see how horrible and unstable this woman is and deciding you still want to marry her. Fingers crossed he comes to his senses before she ruins his life too.

[@blacknbougie8021]

Nope. He deserves whatever misfortune she inflicts.

[@nathanielovaughn2145]

Astutely expressed 💯👍

[@georginamcallum1324]

A USA visa probable

[@madjunir]

​@@georginamcallum1324He needs to get his green card and then dump that psycho. He just saw a taste of what's coming... He would be even crazier if he's mad in love and plans to have kids with her... 💀

[@tomk3682]

@@madjunir A bit racist to think just because he is brown he needs a green card and before you say its not racist.. The racist test is . Would you say it the same negative comment if he was white'... If you wouldn't then what you say is racist and the negativity is based purely on the skin of the person.

[@bepriceless]

8 years? And they wonder why crime is so bad.

[@civilwildman]

If she were a man and did that, she’d probably get 20 years.

[@grahammaio9801]

She's a white woman. That's why she got such a short sentence

[@kI-cq5xq]

⁠@@civilwildmanif she was a black or Hispanic man, she’d probably get 25 to life plus another 360 years ran concurrently.

[@frankies-1389]

​@@grahammaio9801Henry Ruggs burned a lady to death, he's only getting I think 7 years. I may be wrong about the number of years.

[@StarC2233]

​@@frankies-1389Yes, I read about that story and it was a fiery DUI crash where he killed a woman and her dog. He was sentenced to minimum 3 years with a max of 10 years in state prison.

[@drunkthrone_]

8 years is crazy. Why do women get much less jail time for the same crime a man commits?

[@Gurl-5150]

This is beyond disgusting. 8 years is a laughable sentence. The fiancé had better find someone else while she's away.

[@RustyX2010]

She'll probably be out in 2-3yrs of good behavior or maybe a year due to overcrowding.

[@MazBringsby]

She's white. No mystery there.

[@brianfeuerman1732]

It’s third degree: No intent to kill and not premeditated. That’s a pretty typical sentence, imo.

[@yvonnewilliams8800]

You have to keep your feelings/emotions in check. Too many times people take things out on innocent people.

[@babywah3290]

Apparently she deleted all her social media and her parents hid her after finding out the elderly woman she pushed died. That’s a good reason why she’s a psychopath, her parents would risk the world’s safety over their daughter’s violent tendencies. The victim’s grandson said in court- “This is what happens when you don’t raise a child right and you let them get away with whatever they want their entire lives.”

[@tag7592]

Right, they do most of the time because they feel it's risk - free. One meets their match sooner or later. It's just a matter of time.

[@i.aint.1.of.ur.little.friends]

Who does things like this? No matter what I was going through, I've never decided to go to a random person and do anything to them because I felt angry! That's some deeper issues she has for sure

[@ashleyrollins4192]

Right? I’ve never even thought of it on my worst of days. To attack an elderly woman at that.. how cold do you have to be to do something so hateful??

[@aaronmicalowe]

I was once walking along a street when a charity worker popped up in front of me quicker than I could stop. Thank God they didn't die otherwise I'd be a murderer too. 🤷‍♂

[@i.aint.1.of.ur.little.friends]

​@@aaronmicaloweI think there would be a difference between shoving someone accidentally knocking them down.

[@TheFertoledo]

Why did she not get life in prison for that ? anyone who takes the life of an innocent person should either suffer the same fate or be put away for ever.

[@tnsloek]

Monster! How can you do that to another human being.

[@ugeex3044]

Monster! How could you push another human being. Unforgivable

[@Maxdouble07]

She’s a rich girl who always got what she wanted. That came to end the days he took someone’s life. 8 years for murder is not justice. If that guy marries her he should be in a mental hospital. Rest in peace Miss Barbara ❤️‍🩹🙏🏽.

[@rachelsill79]

What part of manslaughter is confusing you? Manslaughter is not murder

[@Maxdouble07]

@@rachelsill79 stop….you know what it was. If you push an elderly person it could cause their death.

[@dtro5853]

This kind of behavior is just sickening. Poor lady. What a nasty individual.

[@lesleymaclennan7899]

She'll get her desserts tho one day

[@melanindawn2050]

Everyday we come across people like this. I can feel their energy and move away from them quickly.

[@AmandaNOTMandy]

She did not get enough time! She literally did that for absolutely no reason at all and unfortunately... an innocent elderly lady lost her life. It blows my mind that she did not get more time in prison! My deepest condolences go out to the victim's family and Elders who loved her! Such a senseless crime!😢

[@jayah9487]

Yes but watch her suffer in the real world when she can’t get a job

[@abelis644]

​@@jayah9487 Who cares???

[@annemurphy9339]

I wholeheartedly agree. I just saw another case where a man murdered his estranged wife with the help of his mother, and got only 5 years. We not only have a 2-tier legal system, but what there is is insane.

[@roachmorphine8018]

Female privilege. 😒

[@therookie5714]

@@roachmorphine8018sad but true. Had it been a man he’d have gotten 20 years minimum

[@brandyb2931]

People need to learn to control their anger. And 8 years. She DELIBERATELY crossed the street to push this woman, that is planned. She was angry and wanted to take her anger out on someone and planned to do it with the first person she saw. Ridiculous!! Her fiancé should think about this if he stays and decides to have children with her.

[@SanFernandoValleyRose]

What a shame she deserves more than the sentence handed down to her.😠😠😠😠🤬🤬🤬😈😈😈👿😞😞💩😓

[@adrianablessed718]

8 years for killing somebody? That’s ridiculous no justice here.

[@iceonthesun8880]

No surprise, women always get off easy.

[@jdollinter]

Cannot believe that women’s life was worth only 3 1/2 years to the court. The young women threw a fit because she was told a park was closing and then ran across the street to fatally shove this talented and beloved women. Where is the justice?

[@UnIimited_Power]

What an evil lady. Just lock her up and throw away the key...

[@mossygirl300]

Amen

[@andrew2377]

I would say anger issues and lack of self control, evil is too powerful of a word here.

[@tonyhormiga5242]

I think the 8 years is a good judgement. Its just an Fd up situation and ahe should've kept her hands to herself. Doubt she'll do it again.

[@mossygirl300]

scary mindset. not only did she leave the woman there and not help her, she immediately deleted her social media and went into hiding. she's a true evil narcissist. not just an "f'd" up situation. I wonder if you would say that if it was your mom or grandmother. @@tonyhormiga5242

[@marshallsobin4879]

@@andrew2377you mean “evil” is too mild a word here

[@crashman2062]

No words to adequately denounce this monster who so carelessly, needlessly murdered an innocent 87 year old woman. My heart breaks for the grandmother and her family.

[@Sp00ch123]

Only 8 years is insane. Those who target our most vulnerable shouldn't be let out so quickly.

[@cattysplat]

This is a 4 year sentence on good behavior.

[@evasdorling7555]

​@cattysplat yeah that's the worse part.

[@PrincessMeganElsa-om4zp]

8 so short!!! 😡😡😡

[@davedarius7346]

​@@cattysplatNot even 8 years??? That's messed up!!!

[@davidthedeaf]

How desperate is he? She is violently angry, and shoved an elderly stranger causing her to fall…regardless that she DIED, she pushed an elderly person! Just because she was feeling mad! Why would he want to stay engaged? Does he not realize his own self worth? He needs a therapist ASAP!

[@iscifion7122]

Considering her issues,she could do much worse to him if he stays long enough.

[@firstnamelastname7708]

Right. He better watch out or he’s gonna be a future episode of Forensic Files. He’s gonna spend the rest of his life managing that temper.

[@uzodesign7162]

While I see your point. Your statement implies most men have women lined up to get with them.

[@ashleyyoung6107]

If he stays with her, it's only a matter of time before she kills him too, if she gets mad, so he must be very desperate to still be with her and I hope he comes to his senses and runs for the hills while he still can because I have no doubt he'll be her next victim.

[@brandon-qc1ul]

He will learn it the hard way when he has to pay child support in the end if she breaks up with him.

[@SnowPiercer1975]

Another supposed "adult" in our society that pulls temper tantrums when life doesn't go their way. A product of a pampered and coddled upbringing

[@noelhernandez363]

8 yrs for murdering an elderly!! What a slap in the face!

[@palomahawkins5310]

She’s EXTREMELY dangerous! Anyone here has been ANGRY before but not one of us has taken it out on a person’s LIFE. Let that sink in!!!!

[@themindeclectic9821]

You gotta be really delusional to believe that.

[@AugustusCheeser]

An extremely lardy too

[@AugustusCheeser]

​@@themindeclectic9821you gotta be delusional if you think she's innocent

[@masch_123]

@@AugustusCheeser they never said she's innocent she just said that you gotta be delusional to believe that not one of us has taken our anger out on a person

[@ariana336pm]

We ALL have taken our anger out on a person before …. Lets bffr😂😂

[@Lemmingofdoom]

8 years is hardly a fitting punishment for her killing someone whose life gave infinitely more than her own ever did, all because she was having a strop

[@MewAesthetic]

it should be 80+ years 😤

[@randomguyontheinternet8345]

nah it should have been life

[@kingcorwin1006]

@@randomguyontheinternet8345It should have been 70-80 years because that is the average life span.

[@Iebaxos]

How does she get 8 years for KILLING someone. She deserves life

[@PaulPavloPablo]

because she's white and a female. That's a privileged group.

[@Kk-lt1hs]

She didn’t mean to kill her

[@eviehammond9509]

If she even serves 3 yrs of that 8 yr sentence. It seems our judicial system is in desperate need of a complete overhaul. What good is it to catch criminals and then sentence them to nothing more than a time-out & a hand slap then send them on their way with only the hope they won't re-offend at a more violent level.

[@johanna2690]

@@eviehammond9509 Do you want revenge or rehabilitation? On a personal level most people want revenge/punishment. But for the society as whole rehabilitation is probably the right path. The thing is that American prisons aren´t the best environment for personal development. It´s interesting to look at Sweden. They treat their prisoners with respect. They actively help them to become functioning members of society. They have a lot less reoffenders than the US. Sweden has the least reoffenders in Europe.

[@anthonyperez2467]

@@PaulPavloPabloyet henry ruggs whos not white and a male got 3-10 years for killing a woman and her dog while drunk…. Lol such a flawed argument with no base and only going off of your feelings instead of the facts lol

[@iexist7408]

When I read the headline I assumed she had some sort of feud with the vocal coach. Can’t believe she killed her for no reason

[@iq_heb1028]

8 years for killing a elderly lady, meanwhile someone who had a little bit of weed get somehow a longer sentence

[@JFromLA99]

This happened in Florida with a 70+ year old man and the guy who killed him got released on house arrest because he had a little money. People who assault and kill elderly people should be punished more severely.

[@nunyabiznes33]

We need good ole mob justice. Drag his ass to the swamp and feed him to the gator.

[@lizzfrmhon]

How low can you be to shove an elderly lady cause you were having a crappy day?!?!

[@baldasx4539]

WOW, CLEARLY SHE HAS THE COMPLEXION FOR THE PROTECTION. WYTE PEOPLE SHE'S NOT EVEN GOING TO SERVE THE WHOLE 8 YRS THAT'S TOO SAD

[@PLUGGEM]

What a horrible human being, RIP to Barbara this is devastating.

[@sxymike12]

I don’t care if your scared or not if you push someone and there hurt you apologize and get them help if you didn’t mean for it to happen, the fact that she just walked is pure evil.

[@hadleyslife7351]

It was no accident .. she was angry with her man and took it out on the innocent old lady that just happened to be the first person she saw. Should’ve gotten murder charge.

[@lucyall1898]

She was exact in her actions, just didn't care.

[@darrylferguson3622]

No matter how angry she was, taking out her anger on a random stranger that had zero negative interactions with her (or any for that matter) is a massive red flag psychologically - that is a potential sign of severely low empathy or destructive impulsiveness. She literally had to cross the street to even target the innocent old woman who was minding her own business.

[@mysticjen379]

Creepy isn’t it.

[@kmj2000]

Randomly taking your anger out on an innocent stranger is not normal by any means. I'm so shocked that she only got 8 years. She's a ticking time bomb if she doesn't get some mental help.

[@carolhutchinson7763]

@@kmj2000: She might be a sociopath.

[@freddy9088RAY]

​@@kmj2000well it's called spoiled privilege. She's one of those millennium kids that just think she has every right to do what she wants. She needs to dad to get therapy while she's in that prison and just like regular people end up getting their high school education while they're in prison. There's a lot she can learn while she's there

[@rebeccahicks2392]

@@freddy9088RAY Being a millennial isn't an explanation of what she did.

[@unicornmadness6286]

When it comes to people murdering, whether intentional or not, it never surprises me anymore when the verdict is read. That should say a lot and how things out here in the U.S needs to change. IMO.

[@absolutefoot4594]

Randomly shoving someone is an incredibly stupid thing to do, but murder was obviously not the intent: It's like getting angry and slamming a door, then the entire house collapses soon after. Knowing that she _killed someone_ will be quite a punishment in itself; guilt like that weighs really heavily on people.

[@loveforeignaccents]

So what's your point? She still got off way too lightly. That was a beloved family member, a human with a purpose in life.

[@absolutefoot4594]

One stupid, rash decision has ruined her life and completely taken someone else’s. I wouldn’t want to be in her position.

[@Elena-ht7ku]

​@@absolutefoot4594Who cares about murderer? Victim is more important

[@moltenlava1877]

I feel sooo bad for that old lady, She seemed very sweet. RIP 😭💐

[@slothmarathonpromotions2470]

That dude that was engaged to her dodged a bullet. Anyone capable of hurting an innocent elderly person is terrible.

[@GrainneDhu]

Listen to the end of the clip--according to her lawyer, the perp is still engaged to the man she had been engaged to. Here in Iowa, we have a saying: a cow will try a hot wire (electric fence) once a year, a sheep will try it once a month and a 15 year old boy just has to grab it once a week to check for himself. The man the perp is engaged to is evidently even more clue-resistant than your average 15 year old farm boy.

[@_Just_Another_Guy]

It said at the end of the video that they're still engaged... I don't know the dude but maybe this is the universe's sign telling him to run far away from her.

[@Amtcboy]

Nope. They’re still together.

[@regbhyyu]

he might need to stay with her to get a visa to work in the usa@@_Just_Another_Guy

[@avalonjustin]

@@Amtcboy He's either desperate or nuts to stay with her!

[@idee7896]

8 years prison sentence? WTF! What is wrong with our “justice” system? She took a life, she needs to give her life - one way or another.

[@kingofreels3248]

8 years is nothing. Rest in peace to that beautiful woman.

[@bigd9526]

Just pure evil I couldn't continue with someone that would just hit a senior citizen for no reason heartless. We all need a person with wisdom that is still willing to teach. She still had a lot to give to this world. My deepest condolences to the community and family.

[@therookie5714]

I’m not defending her, but she didn’t hit her, she pushed her

[@DiddyCanFly]

Not pure evil. A selfish and heartless move but it’s not pure evil.

[@miguelbrymn3426]

​@XivUwU_Arath It is pure evil. This woman literally thought "I'm angry, so why don't I go take it out on a defenseless old lady", then does so, which cost the old lady her life.

[@therookie5714]

@@miguelbrymn3426 pure evil would be purposely killing the woman which she clearly didn’t

[@reemclaughlin4260]

I remember she tried to hide. She took an elderly woman’s life who was still working because she was so beloved. I have no sympathy for this spoiled brat. The sentence is a joke. 🙏🏼♥️🕊🌸

[@user-er3ri6sc3j]

True, her parents has to answer how they raised a spoil brat.

[@kathleenardrey5094]

Agree with your comment.

[@ripbeni6198]

She should be under the prison. She is a demon of vanity and wrath.

[@marshallsobin4879]

Female Robert chambers

[@JB-kg3js]

I pray this reputation follows her to all eternity. 8 years is just not enough. RIP

[@MisterMooster]

No apology from the killer or her parents speaks volumes.

[@sparklebutt1119]

I would never have attended court if any of relatives did something horrific like this.

[@ripbeni6198]

Demons travel in packs.

[@Scooterbeerrun]

Not even a relative you despise and want to see go to prison?

[@ivanmendoza5193]

SHE NEED TO GET A SENTENCE FOR LIFE LIKE SERIOUSLY!! TAKING SOMEONES LIFE AND ONLY FOR 8YEARS?! WOW! She need to be rotten in jail !

[@davidrubel6295]

8 years is a disgrace... no wonder crime is out of control in this country

[@Joanna_Grace24]

There’s no justice that’s sad

[@fascinatinglist9654]

Hopefully the other inmates will avenge that poor woman

[@Yajeeb]

Only 8yrs? *Let me put in to perspective of how sickning this is* . She(Murderer) shoved an old lady, watched as she tumbled and hit her head, didn't care, walked off leaving her to be found by someone else as she was dying and went on with her life. No remorse for what she did, but awe struck and crying because she didnt know she got caught in 4k. Had this been the mother/grandmom of the Judge, they would've made up a new number for how long this murderer would've been behind bars.

[@Deadassbruhfrfr]

Murder needs intent. This case did not prove that. When someone is shoved, it's usually not done with the intention of killing them

[@anidanilac7244]

8 years??? This is insane!!! 😢😢

[@osmanbey4430]

SHE COMES FROM A RICH FAMILY SHE ONLY GOT 8 YEARS IS A JOKE. SHE RAN AWAY AND HID IN HER PARENTS HOUSE BEFORE TURNING HERSELF IN. THE GRAND SON SHOULD APPEAL THE SENTENCE

[@abrahamlincoln1600]

As Larry Lawton once said, there’s two types of criminals that don’t do well in prison. And that’s Pedos, and those who hurt the elderly. I’m not sure how it works in women’s prisons, but I hope she gets a decent beating for what she’s done.

[@dixbowman3452]

Agreed

[@brianaguilar8283]

Don’t forget rapists

[@meghanmisaliar]

Look at Chris Watts.

[@abrahamlincoln1600]

@@meghanmisaliar yes I know of Chris watts. He’s pure evil. I like to believe his psychological torment is torturing him with every passing day. Still not sure why you randomly brought up his name though.

[@jesney0842]

Hell yeah!

[@JVanProduction]

She needs to be taking anger management classes too. It would be different if she stormed out of the restaurant and accidentally bumped into her and she fell over but if she actively shoved her and caused her to fall over and didn't even bother helping her up. I understand she turned herself in and pleaded guilty but still...

[@civilwildman]

Or if she was running away in fear of a major threat and accidentally shoved the victim. Then it might likely be ruled an accident.

[@luigiangelobuonarroti4110]

If I recall correctly she crossed the street to push her. The old lady wasn't even on the same sidewalk she was walking on she ran across the street just to push her on purpose for no reason. And she didn't turn herself in, she hid for as long as she could. At first they weren't sure who killed the old lady and this girl kept quiet, then they put up the notice with the killers face and she still hid for a while until they tracked her down to her parents place. It was a while ago so I could be wrong on the details here, but it's also not my fault our garbage justice system takes so long to actually deal out justice. And all that build up for what? 8 years

[@SUGAR_XYLER]

​@@luigiangelobuonarroti4110 Her parents shouldn't have even shown up in court to support her. How embarrassing 😳

[@luigiangelobuonarroti4110]

@@SUGAR_XYLER yes they should. It makes sense for you and me to want her to go to prison for life, but parents should always have their child's back. I'm sure even hitlers mom would love her son.

[@user-er3ri6sc3j]

Interesting comments and replies here. This could be a serious anger issue that was never treated or diagnosed. This young female took it out on an innocent woman over rage. I have to realize how frustrations can overtake someone.

[@MeatVision]

Just 8 years??? What the hell is wrong with that judge 😮

[@sophie2084]

Not enough! She pushed this lady, killing her and walked away, as if nothing happened. She clearly saw that she injured her victim gravely and didn't even call an ambulance. Then she went and hid at her parents house for a whole two weeks, before she couldn't hide anymore. 8 years is nothing, she will be out in less than that. Unacceptable!

[@austinsuh1964]

I can't imagine being engaged to a murderer

[@kimberlyrichardson5943]

Ikr, dropped that bomb at the last second. If I found out that my fiancee killed an elderly woman in cold blood, there's no way I'd marry them. How can you trust them around you when you're weak or vulnerable? Or your relatives? Or God forbid, your babies?!

[@mickymickymike4105]

She deserved life without parole or death penalty. This is one of the reasons why I have no faith in the justice system. This animal and thug killed an innocent woman because she was angry. 8 years is not justice. I hope her life is hell in prison and even worse when she gets out.

[@ripbeni6198]

Justice was not given in this sentencing. This is an abortion of justice. Death penalty, I agree.

[@marhawk6468]

Anger makes you do stupid things. One foolish act caused the death of a sweet lady and ruined this girls life. That’s why it’s important to keep emotions at bay

[@rachelsill79]

There's a big difference between evil and foolishness. She's one hundred percent evil

[@firebenderkitty313]

Anger doesn't make you do stupid things. This wasn't just a "foolish" act. Selfishness, maliciousness, and evil make a person act like this. This girl is a danger to society.

[@sarahwagland1559]

​@@firebenderkitty313Of course anger makes us do stupid things. Plenty of deaths result as a case of us seeing red. What is shocking about this case is that it was like a temper tantrum. I agree, this woman is a danger to society.

[@millerrepin4452]

Ironically enough the problem wasn't that she was angry but wasn't processing her anger. The more you suppress the more an emotion will possess. Also ironically the commenters calling her evil aren't processing how they feel either, (not saying anyone here will push an old lady). Evil is a judgement not a feeling.

[@AugustusCheeser]

​@@firebenderkitty313she should be jailed for 50 years. 8 years is not enough to remove all the hair dye and lard in her body

[@keefthestone]

When I first heard the story I thought she was the student of this coach. Even more insane, she was just as stranger to her.

[@BigEholixs181]

8 years seem to be short, it should've been 20+ years.