Wood Turning - Beginners Guide # 8 - The Negative Rake Scraper

[@grynsnapper]

Dear Mike - thank you very much for sharing this video. Today I modified my halfround scraper like you showed in the video and I used it to a walnut bowl project. The result was super - a super hint for a beginner like me. I've watched several of your videos and I've always learned something new. Take care - Peder

[@Tubefex]

I did the same this morning with the same results :) Very happy with the NRS. Thanks for the video!

[@RickTurnsWoodturning]

Good video, Mike! I'm going to try this out with my large scraper in the next day or two.

[@MikeWaldt]

RickTurns Thanks Rick, let me know what you think. Cheers Mike

[@willsimonton1246]

Great video Mike! I've been watching for a while now and have learned so much. Really enjoy the beginners guide, just need to get my four jaw chuck and my setup will be complete. Have a great day.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Will, bet you can't wait to get the chuck, they do make life a lot easier Cheers Mike

[@brinsonb]

I thoroughly enjoy these video's. Will have to give this a try. And again thank you for taking the time to make and share these video's.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you, I'm glad you find them of use Take care Mike

[@robohippy]

Mike, I know I have watched this before, but couldn't remember if I had commented or not. I was looking at the Sorby version that has an 80/25 or so bevel, and was going to ask them, but this came up right after theirs. My question was about 'are you rubbing the bevel and pretty much doing a peeling type cut on bowls?' Looks like that answer is yes... Strange to me is the amount of time you get from your burr. If I was using an acute version, like 30/30 bevels, then I would have gotten about 10% of the cutting time you got. So, trying to figure out if the steeper bevel leaves a stronger burr or not. I have always thought that if you hand hone across the bevel, rather than up and down, then you are almost burnishing a burr onto the edge. I have found that with the more blunt bevel angles that the burnished burr seems to work better and last longer than the grinder burrs, and you can burnish it down then back up a couple of times before you have to take it back to the grinder.The metal does make a difference too. Are you using M2? I pretty much only use M42 or V10.

[@MikeWaldt]

+robohippy Hi Reed, so sorry for the late response, it has been manic. I'm no way as experienced as you with any scraper, bu with this configuration I merely ride the bevel, lift the handle and away it goes. The edge doesn't last all that long, but much longer than another I have with the acute angles you talked about. Hope you're keeping well my friend. Cheers Mike PS The steel is just standard HSS by the way.

[@robohippy]

Like a buddy of mine said, "I have been running around like a blind dog in the butcher shop." That is a new method that I never saw for using the NRS. Just never considered that approach of using a peeling type cut. Have to try it out and see how it works. I think this variation of the NRS would do very well with a burnished burr. Cheers!

[@MarkGarth]

That's really impressive Mike. Many thanks, I'm going to give this a try.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Mark, I don't think you'll be disappointed :) Take care Mike

[@icespeckledhens]

It looks a great finish without sanding thanks

[@MikeWaldt]

+icespeckledhens Thank you. They do leave a good finish on most woods. Cheers Mike

[@CarlJacobson]

Another excellent demonstration Mike. I'm going to do this on my big scraper tomorrow. Take care, Carl

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Carl....let me know what you think...and any improvements you come up with. Take care Mike

[@StevieRodgerStevie406]

Another very informative video Mike. Now I need to get myself some scrapers to give it a go. Love the finish you get, not sure if it's the scraper or just your ability, either way you make it look SOooooo easy as always. Thank you.....Stevie

[@MikeWaldt]

Stevie Rodger Thanks Stevie, I assure you it's the tool not my ability :) Take care Mike

[@susanthompson1503]

Dear Mike, First of all I would like to say how helpful i find you videos. I am a complete beginner after having been given a second hand lathe and start out with nothing except enthusiasm. I was wondering if i might be able to email you with any small questions I might have concerning the turning. I am actually an nun in a cloistered monastery in the heart of London (www.carmelitesnottinghill.org.uk) so don't have much access to outside help. Usually my queries are small and I am sure to you quite uncomplicated but just having someone to ask would be a great help. I understand if this is not acceptable to you and please don't hesitate to say. i look forward to hearing from you. Thanks for your time. Sister Susan

[@MikeWaldt]

Hello Sister, and thank you for your kind words, and encouragement. It would be a pleasure to be there to assist if necessary, and answer any queries you may have, large or small :) I will send you my email address via a personal message to you. I look forward to hearing from you. Take care Mike

[@Robbiethewoodturner]

well did not take you long to get to the grinder ea.you ground nearly all them :-) the best thing about this scraper is the finish cut of it is so good and for any beginner turners especially turner like me it is not hard to handle:--) i use it when needed whatever tool works.. Great video Mike very well presented All the best Robbie

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Robbie, I'm so glad I took your advice, didn't think I'd be so impressed with it. It really does a great job - just like you really ;) Thanks again, and take care Mike

[@tompalmer334]

Mike this is the third time to watch this video i am going to regrind some of my scrapers thanks for the time you took to shoot this video a for real training aide

[@MikeWaldt]

+Tom Palmer Hope you like the results they give Tom....let me know what you think. Take care Mike

[@MikeWaldt]

+Pedar Kalser Glad you like the video, and find the NRS a good tool. Cheers Mike

[@MikeWaldt]

***** Thanks Christian, I just finish turned a punky Ash bowl today, and used the NRS with great results. Take care Mike

[@peterbrownwastaken]

Mike; I've never seen this before!

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Peter, it's worth giving it a try, thanks for watching. Take care Mike

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi again Peter, you only have to hone/grind the lower bevel, just as you would the standard scraper. 4:25 Cheers Mike

[@peterbrownwastaken]

Mike Waldt Thanks Mike!

[@MikeWaldt]

Peter Brown Pleasure mate :)

[@fergusrb]

I have been trying to get back to turning after a long lay off. I think you helped me with my scraper. My bowl ended up with grooves in it after using the scraper. I think my problem was coming off the grinder and dipping the scraper too low. The scraper bur was cutting grooves. Watching you as you rubbed the bevel and slowly lifted the handle to start the cut. Guess I forgot the ABC's. Anchor, bevel and cut.

[@MikeWaldt]

Glad you found the video useful and thanks for watching.

[@AsWoodTurns]

Mike. Very thorough run thru. You may have convinced me. I'll have to test it. Alan

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Alan, I hope I have, you won't regret giving it a shot. Let me know if you do, and any suggested improvements would be greatly appreciated. Take care Mike

[@NillWill]

I noticed a hardwood scraper by Robert Sorby ,I believe, available at Packard Woodworks (108738). What I noticed about it compared to your setup was that the actual cutting edge fell below the center line of the tools thickness, about 1/3rd up from the bottom. I kind of imagine this creates a "rudder" like effect, rather than the tool "nosing in" if you catch my drift. Maybe helping eliminate hangup. Check it out and see what you think. Thanks for helping me learn to turn Mike!

[@MikeWaldt]

Niles Williamson Hi Niles, I have seen the Sorby, and think that experimentation is the key to find the angles that work best for your turning style, and the job at hand. Thanks for the information, and input. Take care Mike

[@philipguarino524]

Hello Mike, my name is Phil and have just about worn out your beginners video's....thank you for helping. I saw you video on scrapers and decided to buy a 1/2" scraper and wonder if you suggest making a negative scraper out of it? Phil

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Phil I really am happy to hear that you find the videos helpful. Personally I would but at least a relief bevel on your new scraper, but that's just my personal opinion. Try it without and see how you go 🙂

[@brad-scottgirod9324]

I realize this is several years past now Mike but I've never caught it. The thing is we have various angles that we grind on our chisels, perhaps you could demo how to find these angles. I have a Tormek setup on my white wheels and it does the same thing as a Wolverine. My platform is setup with a Wixey Digital Angle Gauge but since everything is round I really have no way of knowing what "Angle" I'm putting on a any tool. My gouges are the worst, way too many bevels on them and I don't understand how to get them back to the original grind. They're sharp and they work so I use them they simply don't work as they're supposed to. Frustrated and thanks for the great video. Brad

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Brad, if you search for sharpening woodturning tools on youtube you will have a huge choice of content to watch, and without a doubt be able to answer your questions. Hope this helps Cheers Mike

[@GeraldJensen]

Mike -- Very useful, indeed ... Thanks! Don't know if it is available on your side of the pond, but Veritas has a Scraper Burnisher that is tops for maintaining the burr on your scrapers. It has a set of carbide rods that you use to refresh the burr ... no need for going to the grinder or diamond stone so often. Mine is mounted to a piece of plywood that sits between the ways on the lathe bed. See: www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=20266&cat=1,330,49233

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Gerald, I'm pleased you gave it your stamp of approval :). That's a great looking bit of kit, we can get it over here in the UK, delivered for around £50. It's something I may well get in the future, thanks for the tip. Take care Mike

[@teameww1148]

Hi Mike, another very informative video, thank you for sharing. Would I be right in thinking that with the upper bevel, there is less likelihood of a catch, and if there was one, it would not be as severe as the tool would 'clear' the wood quicker after the initial catch? At a recent pro demonstration, I was advised to always present a scraper at 45 degrees! rather than flat! to assist in the avoidance of a catch. You have not done this, and I am wondering if it is because the double bevel helps. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I am still in the early learning stages on the lathe. Thank you once again, Clive

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Clive, I have found that the double bevel is much less likely to cause a catch as you suggested. I would totally agree with the 45° recommendation - for a standard grind single bevel scraper, but with the negative rake scraper you are lowering the tool rest and lifting the handle to commence the cut NOT lifting the rest and lowering the handle as you would with a normal single bevel scraper. Not very well explained, but i hope you get what I'm trying to say....:) Take care, and thanks for your support Mike

[@fergusrb]

Do you have any videos on grinding the negative rake scraper? What I am used to is the scraper that came with a bevel and I blacken it with a marker and rub the wheel till I get a mark on the bevel from top to bottom. I have never started with square stock. How do you set that 30 degree gangle to begin with? Enjoying your series.

[@MikeWaldt]

I start with an eyeball angle to the one I want then use a protractor to fine tune the platform. Cheers. Mike

[@baconsoda]

Great video Mike. I think my scrapers are going to be getting a bit of a touch on the grinder soon. Best Wishes, Brendan.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Brendan, give them a go mate, you will love the finish they give. Take care Mike

[@beardedwoodpecker]

Excellent tutorial Mike i will have a go with my scrapers Happy new year Yiannis (Athens Greece)

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you and the same to uou and yours.

[@Lolotourneur]

Belle demo Mike, un jour j'arriverai peut être a me servir des scraper aussi bien que toi car je ne n'arrive toujour pas a les utiliser :(

[@MikeWaldt]

Merci beaucoup Lolo, avec un peu de pratique, un homme avec votre talent et les compétences se ramasser en un rien de temps :) prendre soin Mike

[@winstonbarnett90]

Once again, Mike very nice job. I have never used a negative rake scraper, but I'll start just as soon as I can grind one. Have you ever done a video on your grinding procedures? If so, I missed it and think it would be a great help. Thanks again.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Winston, I did one a while ago, here's the link Wood Turning - Sharpening your Tools Hope it's of some use. take care Mike

[@colinchalmers1099]

Excellent demo Mike,and very well explained,I met Sam at the AAW in Phoenix not much time to visit though,as limited time between demonstrations. Cheers Colin.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Colin, I would love to meet him, you are a lucky guy, Sam has such a wealth of experience and talent. Thanks for your support. Take care Mike

[@petershelper]

Hi Mike, I could see that the finish was better by the increased reflection of the scraper off the platter! Personally, I dread to think how much of a scraper I would grind away to get to a satisfactory finish:-) George

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi George, give it a go mate, you will be pleased with the results. Take care Mike

[@280AI]

I’m an amateur turner and found your video extremely clear concise and helpful. Thank you very much.

[@MikeWaldt]

I am pleased to hear that you found the video helpful John. Thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated.

[@DavidMains-pf6zo]

Really liked this one also,going to put that 30° angle on a cheep harbor freight scraper.are you saying to also put the negative rate on the tool.would you say its a lot safer,so you don't have to worry about a catch.and how do you use the diamond scraper? That tool is pointed and sharp and scares me half to death.

[@MikeWaldt]

The 30/30 grind is a lot more user friendly in my opinion. The spearpoint tool is one I've never used but there should be some videos on KZbin that may be helpful. Cheers. Mike

[@m.stratton4408]

Excellent video Mike I'll have to bring my scrapers over for you to put the negative rake grind on them thanks for showing, kind regards.

[@MikeWaldt]

Lol ... thanks Mick always appreciate you stopping by my channel mate. Cheers Mike

[@TheAcidmyers]

I have always heard that the total combined angle should not be above 90 degrees.......any thoughts???

[@MikeWaldt]

That is correct and thanks for watching.

[@jogonzo31]

Outstanding Sir! Really trying to master these scrapers. Thanks for the knowledge!

[@MikeWaldt]

Glad you found the video useful Jo.

[@jerrybridges584]

Thanks for exploring the negative rake scraper. As a beginner in bowl turning I would like to use a scraper that is less intimidating and easir to control. I will add a negative rake scraper to my lathe tools.

[@MikeWaldt]

Let me know how you find it Jerry and thanks for watching.

[@PhilAndersonShadyAcresWoodshop]

Thanks so much, Mike! I tried grinding on my own and came up with the dullest scraper I've ever seen! Now I've watched your video and feel like I can go out and grind using more appropriate angles and expect I will have exactly what I need. Great job! EDIT! So I went to the shop all confident and everything, got my Wixie electronic angle finder setting on the tool rest and tried to set 70 degrees. No way in hell! I know I must be doing something wrong but what? Help Mike! I feel so stupid for such an old guy. I know I could just eyeball it, but if there is some good way to set an angle, I'd love to know what it is.

[@MikeWaldt]

+madronawoodworks That's 70° from the horizontal, heal to toe :) Cheers Mike

[@notsoluckyirishman]

Hi Mike hope you are well! I recently found your channel and have gotten a recent interest in turning. Thanks for your video

[@MikeWaldt]

Enjoy your turning journey Padraig and thanks for supporting my channel.

[@crocuscreekwoodworks]

Excellent Mike. I just figured out what I have been doing wrong. Thanks for another great video.

[@DanielVilarino]

Hi Mike! That's really interesting, first time I see this! How do you compare the time between sharpening in the normal vs. the negative rake scrapers? Best regards, Daniel

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Daniel, they do need sharpening/honing more frequently than a standard grind scraper, but give a far superior finish, in my opinion. They are primarily for a shear scraping cut, as opposed to normal scraping duties. Thanks for watching, and commenting. Take care Mike

[@Upcountryturner]

I am not sure if anyone else noticed but you can actually see a ghost image of your scrape on the finished surface. So that alone shows its a great tool to use.

[@MikeWaldt]

With a little practice and frequent sharpening/honing, it really does a great job Terry. Thanks for your support. Cheers Mike

[@billgiles3261]

As a beginner I was surprised that you said that your edge only lasted a minute. That might explain my struggles to make progress. My bench grinder is easily to hand so there is no excuse not to maintain a sharp edge. After all I maintain my bench chisels with sharp edges, but then I think that it is easier to know when they are blunting. One question though, the grindstone is moving down when it meets the tool, surely to raise a burr the stone should move TOWARDS the cutting edge. Or so my metal work experience says.

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Bill, I agree that in theory what you say is right, but I assure you that a burr is raised when a grinder is used, or a linisher style system like my Sorby Pro Edge. If you try it yourself you will be able to feel the burr. Hope this helps Cheers Mike

[@billgiles3261]

I experimented today with a little round nosed scraper (conventional grind). I could feel a burr when the wheel was used moving away from the tool edge and it certainly cut well. I was shaping a button on top of a bowl lid and needed a delicate cut which went well. So I’d like to sharpen a tool with the burred edge towards the direction of the wheel. But it is a little tricky with the grindstone travelling towards me. But a brief experiment did show that a larger burr is raised. Whether that is sharper or longer lasting is to be determined. It is also not at all easy to get a good angle. Maybe the wheel should turn the other way, that is upwards as it meets the tool. But I was an aircraft engineer so anything is possible. Will let you know.

[@oldwolfswoodshop]

Excellent, thank you for sharing. I will regrinding my scrapers.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks John, don't forget very light passes :) Cheers Mike

[@martinboyle6632]

I think I may be trying this. I have a cheap scraper to try it on first before I destroy a good scraper. Thanks as always for sharing. Looks like it leaves a nice finish.

[@MikeWaldt]

Just what I did to start with Martin, experiment, and play around with angles a bit, and see what works for you. Thanks for watching. Take care Mike

[@glennnord2605]

Thanks Mike , I just think i learn something ( refresh my mind anyway .

[@MikeWaldt]

Pleasure Glenn and thanks for watching

[@ErikAnderson1]

Great video Mike I am still lacking a good high speed m2 steel HD bowl scraper and I need to get one and do this to it. Looks like it works well.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Erik, I truly think you'll be well impressed with it, especially with your bowl turning skills. thanks for watching my friend. Take care Mike

[@MARKBaid]

I was looking for the angle for a scrapper and look what I found. I should have just asked you and saved myself the trouble of looking. Geez! Thanks for the great videos Mike now I'm off Tri the grinder Take care my friend and do a kindness Mark

[@kevinkrull5483]

Nice... This is a technique I've heard of, but never really knew anything about... I'll definitely have to explore it. I'm glad you posted this video, good job Mike! :) Have a good one my friend, Kevin

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Kevin, I'm still experimenting, and there have been some very helpful and interesting comments, to learn from. thanks for your support mate, I appreciate it. Take care Mike

[@awldune]

If I understand correctly, the negative rake enables you to ride the bevel?

[@MikeWaldt]

That's right, which in turn is supporting the cut, the down side as I said in the video, is that you need to sharpen often, to maintain a burr, which is what is doing the cutting. Take care Mike

[@stevefromlondon9175]

Great advice again Thank you Regards Steve UK London

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Steve.

[@adrianmckie4559]

Hi Mike I've got a 1/2" bowl scraper with a standard grind. I've never had a catch with it, but I think I'lll try the top grind, which seems to give a better finish. Cheers Ade

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Ade, give it a try, I would be interested to see what you think. Take care Mike

[@adrianmckie4559]

Hi Mike, Tried the grind on a the scraper since it was catching on oak end grain while making a small box. It did feel blunt, but I think I got the top grind at the wrong angle. No catches though! Cheers Ade

[@MikeWaldt]

Adrian McKie Experiment with different angles, until you find what works for you 70° and 30° work for me Take care Mike

[@AlFurtado]

Many great tips Mike I will have to do that to one of my flat scrapers Thanks Mike Albert

[@MikeWaldt]

Albert Furtado Thanks Albert, they really do leave a great finish. Cheers Mike

[@russbarber1865]

Mike another great well explained video. I hate sanding and anytime I can start my sanding at 220 grit the happier I am lol. I thought you would like the result of the negative grind that's why I suggested it to you oh that and you have more subscribers than I do plus for now I'm lathe less as I'm relocating my business back to Australia so I couldn't do the video on it. Once again another job well done my friend in wood turning.

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Russ, I am well impressed, still needs a bit of tinkering, but a great bit of kit. Thanks very much for the suggestion, I am very grateful. Hope all goes well with the relocation. Take care Mike

[@russbarber1865]

Mike I'm all settled in, now all I have to do is start getting the new machinery for the shop

[@MikeWaldt]

Russ Barber That's great news Russ, keep us informed mate. Take care Mike

[@marklawson8346]

Great video again I will give it a go thanks ,have a great Christmas. Mark

[@MikeWaldt]

mark lawson Thanks Mark Merry Christmas Mike

[@phillallen01]

Excellent video mike very informative thank you don't know how i missed this one

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Phill, appreciate it mate. Cheers Mike

[@benjabens2058]

my favorites are the same as tom cleveland.all best teachers! thanks mike

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Benja.

[@yuvallahav]

Another great video Mike, I see you managed to postpone the dreaded skew for another week :) I heard the term "Negative Rake" before, but never went into understanding what it is for and why do it, but now I do, and I'll probably try it out on my scrapers, although I should get a diamond card before hand, or would some fine metal sanding paper glued to a piece of plank do the trick too?

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Yuval, yes I'm running out of excuses now....lol. I would try your method, I don't see why it wouldn't work, I'd be interested to hear how it performs. The only thing is I don't know how well it will do with HSS. Let me know if you would. Take care Mike

[@yuvallahav]

Well... I hate to admit it, but all my scraper are not HSS.. they are converted tools made from cheap 8 tools for 18 euro hardware store bundles, yeah I need to grind each at least twice every turning, but it also means I keep them sharp and don't mind experimenting. I can only afford one good tool every couple of months, and I just got me a sweet 16mm (5/8'') bowl gouge, but a good scraper is on my 'to get' list :-) 

[@MikeWaldt]

yuval lahav No shame there Yuval, the first tools I got were from a friend, and they were at least 25 years old, cheap, and carbon steel. But I tell you what, they take a better edge than HSS, but the down side is, as you say, they need sharpening very frequently. Take care my friend. Mike PS - Don't forget to let me know how the scraper hones with the metal sanding paper.

[@TheTinyTrailerWorkshop]

Hey Mike: I will find a scraper the next time I am out in the shop and give it a go! Thanks for sharing Larry

[@MikeWaldt]

You won't be disappointed Larry - honest! Thanks for watching mate Take care Mike

[@jeffdeluca1153]

I like that grind. There's a guy on KZbin named Brandon Stemp that shows also a neg grind, but he grinds both bagels the same with the cutting edge centered. So you find there's more "beef" at the edge with your grind? It seems so to me. Thx again Mike!

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi again Jeff, since this video I use Brenan's preferred grind, and while the edge it doesn't last as long, it cuts beautifully and id easier to sharpen as both angles are the same. Cheers Mike

[@apextools8144]

Great Video for beginners. Thanks For the Info.

[@MikeWaldt]

ApexTools Thanks for watching

[@Sammo-w2y]

Hey Mike, just want to say what a great series this is, before you finish your beginners guides can you include the Carbide tools as well please.

[@eddiebob2408]

Mike, your 70/30 deg. grind is very, very near the 'fibonacci' ratio, aka the 'Golden Mean', of .618. Of course the 38.2 for the shallower angle and you get '1', the 'Whole'. I'm going to grind mine to these fibonacci numbers/angles and see how it goes. Thanks for your video! Search for 'fibonacci' and you will be amazed how it is evident throughout Mother Nature.

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Eddie, thanks for the tip. I have to say I looked at the "fibonacci" explanation ... and decided if the angles that I grind give me the cut I'm looking for ... I'm happy with them ... lol. Take care, and let me know how you get on with the angles you grind. Mike

[@MrSkeeter18]

Thanks Mike. I really like that grind. Bob

[@MikeWaldt]

Pleasure Bob, I'm really happy with it. Cheers Mike

[@JOSEGIORDANOwoodturning]

I do not speak English. but your show is excellent! Thanks Mike! Hug!

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Jose, your support is appreciated. Take care Mike

[@toddrichardello2226]

Hello again Mike, again a brilliantly done video. You may not consider yourself a professional wood turner, but you are most certainly a professional teacher of the craft. I appreciate the 8 tutorials and hope you continue with more. As I told you previously, new to the turning world and love it and your lectures have been invaluable. Thanks and as I am also a new subscriber to your channel, was wondering if you have a site that shows off some of the items you have finished?? Thanks and again, keep on keeping on......Cheers from Todd in Connecticut!!! Good Health to you Mike.

[@MikeWaldt]

Todd Richardello Hi Todd and thanks for your very kind words and continued support. If you want to get "bord", you can look at some of my pieces on my Facebook page in albums.....but drink lots of strong coffee before you start ;). Take care Mike PS - Thanks for the sub too.

[@RevMoose2]

Dear Mike, Appreciate your video on NRSs. I do have question: Cinda Droza and others recommend a combined degree of angle of 60 to 70 with identical grinds on both sides. I wonder if you could comment on why you chose the grind(s) which you did. Getting ready to grind my scrapers and still trying to decide what grinds to use. Dan

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Dan, since this video, I too have experimented with various angles...and you know what...they all work really well....so I guess it's down to personal preference. One thing I truly believe...whatever works for YOU...is the right :) Cheers Mike

[@bassinbob1965]

Mr. Waldt. Good day Sir. I have not been able to watch any videos on You Tube for quite some time because of building my own shop. Finally today I can take a breather and WOW your shop has really improved!! I absolutely love how you have all of your turning tools. It looks great! So I just wanted to stop by and say hello and thank you again for the advice you gave me when I first started out on this journey. Maybe I can return the favor one day. Good tidings.Bobby Ray from Virginia.

[@MikeWaldt]

+Robert Ray Hi Bobby Ray, sorry for the late reply. Great to hear you have a new shop, mine is still the same old garage, with a few bits changed over the years :) Great too hear from you. Take care Mike

[@mrbond1964]

Hi Mike. Many hours spent watching your tutorials, they're so informative for beginners like me. Just a quick question...at about 4mins did i hear you say that the edge will last about a minute? Do you mean that you will have to resharpen the scraper after using it for just a minute? Sorry if i've misunderstood. Thanks

[@MikeWaldt]

You heard right Kev, the burr will only last for about that long, depending on the wood you are working on, but it's worth the hassle, as the finish off the tool is spot on. Take care Mike

[@SuperBowser87]

Hey Mikey! I have never tried that technique before but I'm sure I will be at the grinder tomorrow. It looks very impressive or as I like to say slicker than snot on a doorknob! I'm sure I can speak for the rest of us when I say thank you and job well done. Oh BTW I will be heading to the post office Monday to send you some walnut I rescued off of my fireplace wood pile, I think I have some small burls I can fit in the box also. I will let you know what all I find tomorrow, Thanks again matey

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Tom, I'm sure you'll like it, once you've played around with it a bit. Also, that's very kind of you to consider sending me some of your firewood, as the summers get quite chilly over here ;) Snot on a doorknob.......great saying BTW. Take care Mike

[@argonaut110]

Mike Waldt Hey that was my walnut! Oh wait its on the shelf. I'll see if Tom wants to mail that too. Great video and I am definitely going to try that.

[@SuperBowser87]

Kevin Denna-Lucas Make sure you never tell him about all the walnut burl we have kevin!

[@MikeWaldt]

Kevin Denna-Lucas lol Kevin....and thanks mate. You won't regret giving the grind a try. Take care Mike

[@MikeWaldt]

Tom Wilcox Don't believe you Tom Tom ;)

[@reedersmith8756]

Hi, Mike. Just acquired my first 3/4" half round scraper and ground it to a NRS...wow, works so beautifully. Just finished the left end of a large cove with it and it left a very nice finish needing little sanding...nice shavings and little dust. Thanks for your great instructional videos for new turners.

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Reeder, glad you like the NRS, and thanks for your kind words, and support. Take care Mike

[@TheShavingWoodWorkshop]

Another really good video Mike, thanks.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks, I'm glad you think so, and thanks for your support too. Cheers Mike

[@eagha50]

Hi Mike! Great video as always! One question: Why not make the angle 45 degrees on both sides? You would still have an included angle of 90, but could flip the bevel and easily make a right hand scraper into a left hand scraper. Might make starting out, riding the bevel a bit more difficult though. Your thoughts? Cheers! Eddie

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Eddie, since this video I have gone to a 35°/35°, and it cuts really well, doesn't hold the edge as long, but is easier to sharpen, because as you say the angles are the same :) Cheers. Mike

[@brianbest3777]

Hi, Mike Great informative video. I have ground my Sorby round nose scraper(80*) to 80/20 negative - no 70 setting on Proedge system - worked well, but found 80 / 30 worked even better. thanks for all your videos. Brian

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Brian, thanks for the tip on your angles too. take care Mike

[@spacemansabs]

Hi Mike, I'm enjoying your videos very much, Please keep them coming, especially the beginner ones. Could you make a video about those barbed handle tools you have on the wall? I'm curious about the "meat hook" looking one.

[@MikeWaldt]

+spacemansabs I did a video on the carbide tools a while ago....here's the link if you're interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnWYnZltiMSMfLs .....and the meat hook one is the Robert Sorby swan neck hollowing tool. Hope this helps. Cheers Mike

[@rcwarship]

Thanks Mike for taking the time to make this video & sharing your knowledge. I'm a new turner & am amazed that the finish that you got, a reflection of the tool can actually be seen in the wood. Guess what my next project is..... Thanks Again & Best Regards, Jon

[@MikeWaldt]

+rcwarship Hi Jon, glad that you found the video useful. Thanks for watching and commenting. Take care Mike

[@michaelflynn6178]

Great video Mike Thanks I will be giving it a go

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Michael, let me know what you think. Cheers Mike

[@jhinze]

Mike, brilliant. I need to go buy some new scrapers (only have a small round nose now) and give this a go... I can certainly see the benefit. I tend to have a lot of sanding to get rid of tool marks (but I'm getting better), Thanks again.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Jim, I think you'll find it a good addition to your armoury. Take care Mike

[@pottsydeep]

Mike, this video is most helpful! I sent the address to my wood turning buds. I downloaded the video for future reference. Thanks so much. pottsy

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Pottsy, glad you found it useful. Your support is welcomed and appreciated Take care Mike

[@gnosticsoul1]

Mike, I always learn so much from watching your videos. This one was great. I have what is probably a stupid question, but i'll ask it anyway: How do you get the 30 degree bevel on the scraper. I know how to get the 70 degree as I do on my scrapers, but how do you set up for a 30 degree. Thanks, Lloyd

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Lloyd, I tried various angles, and set them up with bits of wood cut to various degrees, and laid them on the grinder rest,and altered the angle of the table, the wood was simulating the scraper, then ground away on the scraper :). Not very technical, but effective. Take care Mike

[@tom671310]

Thanks so much Mike You're one of my favorite mentors along with Richard Raffen, Robbie, Mike Pearce, Sam Angelo, The Rebel Woodturner and of course Cap'n Eddie. There's more of course but these are my go to guys You've all taught me so much over time and I can't thank you enough I watch a lot of you guys and the best thing I like is that we're all in this together sharing ideas, experience and results

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Tom, and thank you for your very kind and supportive words. Take care Mike

[@garymccoy2888]

Thanks Mike. This was the second time I watched this video. I tried to grind a scraper after the first watch ( about a month ago I think ) and it didn't work for me. I decided to watch the Wyoming Woodturner to see if he did anything different. He recommended your video, so I just watched again. I'll try again tomorrow with more precise angles this time. Thanks for your videos. I watch every one of them.

[@MikeWaldt]

+Gary McCoy Keep at it gary, and let me know how you get on. Take care Mike

[@seniorchiefharris]

Yet another excellent video Mike! I especially enjoyed the way you show how the top and bottom bevels are made... I've seen and read alot about negative rake scrapers but had no idea that 'BOTH' the top and bottom angles had to be ground or created to make a 'negative rake'! Thanks so much for taking your time to create this series, it is excellent and I'm sure, I'm not the only 'newbie' that has learned alot from them! Please consider a video on replaceable 'carbide tip' tools as it seems there is quite a bit of confusion on how to use them properly. Safe turning to you always!

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Kenn, I am really pleased that you have found the series of some use. I am no expert with Carbide tools, but I did a video about them a little while ago that might be of interest, here's the link: Wood Turning - Carbide Tools Review, Hope it helps a little. Take care, and thanks for your support. Mike

[@Drillpig1000]

Hi Mike, just wanted to say a huge thanks for all your efforts. I'm new to woodturning and have found your videos very informative and helpful. Certainly I wouldn't have progressed as far as I have in such a short time without them to refer to. Can I ask if you can share a link to where you got your sanding arbors from that you mentioned in one of your videos? Thanks again, Simon.

[@MikeWaldt]

Hi Simon, thanks for your kind words, and support. The link to Cobb's Tools is : stores.ebay.co.uk/cobbs-tools-12 Take care Mike

[@stephenchesler3792]

I am a novice wood turner and find all your videos highly useful. I ground both my scrapers to negative rake. They work much nicer than before. Thanks again for the tip.

[@MikeWaldt]

Stephen Chesler I'm glad you find them of use Stephen, and thanks for your support. Take care Mike

[@gunterschone8402]

Hi Mike, thank you for the informative video. Especially the you the angles (17 and 30) have explained exactly how to use him. :-)

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Gunter, the angles are 70° & 30° by the way ;). Thanks for watching Take care Mike

[@lukemaddux229]

I guess I'm showing my experience level here but I'd never even heard of a negative rake scraper. I'm sold! Thanks, Mike.

[@MikeWaldt]

Glad you're going to give it a try Luke, it doesn't replace the scraper, but is great for fine finishing shearing cuts. Take care Mike

[@SJWoodworks]

Mike, thanks for all of these videos. This is a series that is going to be referenced by many for years to come.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you, that's very kind of you to say so. Take care Mike

[@24296333]

Great guide Mike. Off to the grinder I go.

[@MikeWaldt]

Alan Biddulph Thanks Alan LOL, let me know if you would, what you think, when you've had a chance to try it out. Take care Mike

[@midnightwind8067]

Hello Mike. I always enjoy your videos . And the funny thing is, I don't even own any wood working tools . Can hardly wait to see what's next! Thanks for the education.

[@MikeWaldt]

jAMES hERRELL Lol.....thank you for your kind words, and support James, I really appreciate it my friend. Take care Mike

[@cjdarts]

Hi Mike. I've noticed that Brenden Stemp is sharpening and honing his negative rake scrapers just like a skew chisel. Have you tried that?

[@MikeWaldt]

+cjdarts Yes mate, that works well too :) Cheers Mike

[@frankjohnston6518]

Thanks Mike, Heard about the neg. scrapers and wanted to learn a bit more about them, as I have some soft spalted maple that takes a bit of finesse to keep from tearing. This video is just what I was looking for and will definitely be giving it a go. Take care.

[@MikeWaldt]

Pleasure Frank, and thank you for watching, I'm glad you found it useful. I found that with a freshly hone edge, and a feather lite touch, it leaves a superb finish. Let me know what you think. Take care Mike

[@alansimpson596]

Many thanks Mike for yet another great instructional video and you've certainly persuaded to me try and adopt it. I could even see the reflection of the scrapers on the wood which says a lot. I'm looking forward to your next upload which you say will be on the skew. I think most turners have an initial fear of the skew due to the spectacular catches you can get but I think I've passed through that stage and am getting my confidence with it. I must say that the KZbin wood turning channel has to be one of the best as we can learn so much from some of the best turners imaginable and who, like yourself, give so much of their time and also enjoy a bit of good-natured banter. With all good wishes, Alan.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Alan, it's worth a go in my opinion. A master of the Skew I'm not, but as you say a lot of people, especially new turners have a fear of it. Hopefully I'll ease the fear.....and NOT get too many catches ;) Your kind words are much appreciated, as indeed is your good-natured banter :) Take care my friend Mike

[@mlstrib]

I've really enjoyed watching some of your beginner videos today. I enjoy furniture refurbishment and have been considering what my next step into woodworking will be. You've done an outstanding job of laying things out plainly. Thanks for everything.

[@MikeWaldt]

+Michael Stribling Hi Michael, and thanks for your kind words. The pleasure is mine. Take care Mike

[@willeyboy1]

Thanks Mike. This is information I need right now. I am turning some very dry maple into a SW indian basket shape and the inside is very difficult. this should help me out.

[@MikeWaldt]

Pleasure Walt, hope it helps you with the project your doing. Take care Mike

[@LJTomlinson1]

Mike, greate video well done. One suggestion, I have found that with all my scrapers after the initial trip to the grinder I can refresh the edge or wire with a trip across my burnishing post a bunch of times before I have to regrind, you may want to try that and save the steel of your scrappers.

[@MikeWaldt]

Lawrence Tomlinson Thanks for the tip Lawrence, I tend to use a diamond credit card hone from Trend to touch up the edge, it works great for all turning tools, and saves both time and steel, I agree my friend. Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it. Take care Mike

[@stringmanipulator]

Really great video Mike! I've tried it before but never did get the hang of it, now I have a much clearer idea on how to work with it :) Thanks mate for another awesome video .. have a good one // Kenneth

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Kenneth, I appreciate it mate, glad you found it useful. Give it another go, and let me know how you get on. Take care Mike

[@luketurnings2551]

Mike a great video, great information. I have been playing with the negative rake scrapers and this really helped clarify some questions I had. Thanks keep up the good work it is appreciated. Luke

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks Luke, glad you found the video of use. Take care Mike

[@andrewhexter4813]

Great video Mike. Ok sounds like a silly question but if I have a scraper that has go a 80 degree bevel on it do I grind the top part to 20 degrees and if I have one with a 60 degree bevel do I grind the top part to 40 degrees and so on.

[@MikeWaldt]

+Andrew hexter Thanks Andrew, there is no hard and fast rule regarding angles, even a very shallow relief top angle changes the way the tool performs. Try keeping the included angle to less than 90°, and experiment from there, to find what works best for you. Cheers Mike

[@julieseatter5775]

Each guide just gets better, you are doing so well at this. I know it is very time consuming doing the video and you only wish to do one more on the dreaded skew, a very scary tool for a beginner. It would be great if you had time to finish the series at number 10 with finishes, very apt, also with what woods are OK to use. I only ask this as a beginner because there does not seem to be too much info around about what may be poisonous or unfriendly to turn. So it could be on what to start with and what to finish with in turning. I only have a few basic tools so if I was to purchase one scraper that I can use for most things what would you suggest? And the best way to measure these angles is with what? Thank you again Julie

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you Julie, I'm really happy that you find them useful. Regarding "safe" wood to work with, it's a minefield, as people have different reactions to different woods. My advice is always wear the best filter system that you can afford, that way you hopefully will get no bad reactions at all, and if it's a concern look up the individual wood you intend to turn, and see what information you can find on it. I am no "expert" on finish types, as I mainly use wax to finish my work, as I am not a "deep" gloss person, I prefer a deep "glow". I did a video on my preferred finish a while a go here is the link : Wood Turning - A Simple Wax Finish My advice would be to get a round nose scraper, as that is a good all round workhorse. I use a metal protrctor like this one : www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Protractor-Angle-Finder-Arm-Measuring-Round-Head-Stainless-Steel-General-Tool-02-/400523322578 Hope this answers your queries adequately. Thanks for your support and take care Mike

[@geofo60]

Brilliant Mike, makes complete sense. I can't wait to give it a go. Thanks for taking the time to show us beginners some quality tips. Been a great series. Regards ......... Geof

[@MikeWaldt]

Thanks very much Geof, you won't be disappointed mate, remember just "kiss"the wood, very light passes, and the edge will stay keen, just that little bit longer. Take care Mike

[@kfelderhoff]

Thanks great video.

[@MikeWaldt]

+Kevin Felderhoff Thanks for watching Kevin. Cheers Mike

[@tomcissell2439]

Mike, I have been for some time watching your recent posts. I find them very informative. However, recently I have discovered some of you earlier posts and as a rookie wood turner find them extremely useful. Just like this one on the negative rake scraper. Taking your time to create a sample piece with deep lines illustrated your point very clearly. Keep up the good work.

[@MikeWaldt]

Thank you for your kind words and support Tom, they are both very much appreciated. Cheers Mike