Woodrow Wilson, Isolationism, and the Birth of the Charleston | B2W:ZEITGEIST! I E.21 Harvest 1923

[@TimeGhost]

What performer is most associated with the Charleston? It's got to be Josephine Baker. When researching this episode I came across this fascinating video of her visiting the Netherlands and I think it deserves to be shared with a wider audience: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2HZqat3abunoKM It makes for interesting watching. Ever the performer, Baker is jolly and outgoing the whole time. The mood of the villagers is much more difficult to gauge, which is to be expected in these old silent videos. Some simply look awkward but one or two look downright displeased unwelcoming. One woman even forcefully leads a child away from dancing with her. Serious analysis aside, this is a really fascinating video to us at TimeGhost. An American-born French entertainer performing an African-American dance in a Dutch village. So many different strands of history in one place - just like all the staff working here. It's enough to make your eyes just a little wet. But before your vision is obscured by tears, make sure you read our rules of conduct before you comment: community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518

[@PhillyPhanVinny]

Since the Philippines being a American colony was brought up I want tell a part of history that is often never brought up anymore on how the Philippines actually became a American colony. After the Spanish American war settled militarily a peace agreement still needed to be signed. The peace was set to be agreed to in Paris between the US and Spain with other countries there as well. Prior to the peace meeting then US President McKinley told the 2 diplomats he was sending to represent the US to not agree to take the Philippines from Spain and to set it free like was to happen to Cuba since it was the opinion of the majority of Americans that the US should not have colonies. But while at the meetings the British representatives told the US representatives that the US should take the Philippines in the peace deal. They were able to convince the Americans to go against the orders of the President because they explained how if the US did not take the Philippines to be their own colony that the Philippines would fall to another nation as their colony. They already knew Germany wanted the Philippines since they had tried to let the US take it while the war was still being fought. They also explained that it was not out of the question that Russia or Japan would try to take the Philippines as their own colony as well. The British representatives went further by saying that the UK was likely to take the Philippines as their own colony if the US didn't take it just to prevent Germany from having the Philippines. So the US ended up taking the Philippines to be their own colony to prevent it from going to a European nation. It was already established shorty after the US took the Philippines that the US would only hold the Philippines until it could hold it's independence on it's own. This was because the US had no reason to want the Philippines as a colony as there were no resources that it could provide the US that it didn't already have. This is the same reason the UK didn't really want the Philippines either, they were only going to take it to prevent Germany from having it. The Filipino people didn't believe this and thought the US was trying to hold and exploit the Philippines as past European nations had. So the Filipinos continued their revolt that they were fighting against Spain against the USA. That was until they eventually started to believe the US was telling the truth and didn't actually want the Philippines to use it for any resources. The US was set to free the Philippines after it's military was strong enough to defend itself but Japan attacked the islands before then which delayed the independence of the islands. Which is why the Filipino people were really the only colonial nation people in WW2 to fight Japan off when they invaded and said they were there to free them. The Filipinos were like "we were already set to be free and would be free now if you never invaded us". All the other colonial nations that Japan invaded during WW2 felt for a time at least that Japan was actually there to help them get independence from their European master nation.

[@hscollier]

I’m very happy to be able to be a patron of this amazing company of historians, teachers and artists. Your efforts have added significantly to my quality and enjoyment of life. Thank you all.

[@lordtrigon1733]

When I think of the Charleston I think of Dude Love - wrestler Mick Foley’s least popular alter ego. I’m probably a Philistine.

[@TimeGhost]

Thank You!

[@HontasFarmer80]

I love all the *Critical Race Theory* AKA teaching how much Black people who were slaves contributed to US history and culture you did here. In a world where when asked people wanted Arabic Numerals banned and in another survey a shocking number don't know "the star spangled banner" refers to a battle with the UK this is needed.

[@gianniverschueren870]

Simple but elegant tie. I like the small elements. 3/5

[@aaronpowell7608]

That rating is (in my opinion) too low. I'd give it at least 4/5 (losing a point because I prefer narrower ties).

[@thanos_6.0]

Was there ever a tie you gave a grade lower then 2.5? :)

[@Janvt01]

Sir Gianni, your exquisite taste in fashion is legendary, therefore I am pretty confident that you will give me a good advice… you always rate ties so now we all know how does an elegant tie look like, but what about bow ties? How do you feel about them?

[@waltertomashefsky2682]

That’s a generous martini there Indy. I think that FDR and Churchill would have approved.

[@petter5721]

@@garrysekelli6776 and Putin the dictator 👍🏻

[@crystalgiddens7276]

@@petter5721 and joseph stalin

[@Orinslayer]

Hey finally something everyone can agree on! Hitler glares from outside the window.

[@ryanyomomma]

To quote Cynical Historian: "WILLLLLLSOOOOOOONNNNNN!!!!"

[@jnliewmichael4235]

I will always hear that whenever I see images of or hear about Woodrow Wilson XD

[@egmccann]

I can't *not* hear his name that way

[@eyeballpapercut4400]

@@mcs699 like what "grade school" stuff

[@timnergaard3831]

@@mcs699 do you want to elaborate?

[@ryanyomomma]

@@mcs699 Well this is a trash comment. Are you this miserable outside of the internet, too?

[@TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods]

I admit to a certain amount of anxiety watching that martini gradually warm to room temperature.

[@indianastan]

Lol made me thirsty 🥺

[@kasumikojiro7221]

Agreed . I was aware of any anxiety also but unaware of the source till you mentioned it .

[@L.J.Kommer]

I can hear Cypher off in the distance: "Wwwiiilllllllssssssssooooooonnnnnn!"

[@sode07]

I love these between 2 wars episodes that tell the stories not thought at school

[@TimeGhost]

That's a pretty big motivation behind the series

[@ClaireR3]

Between 2 Wars is my favorite series :)

[@TimeGhost]

We are happy to hear that, we enjoy making it!

[@dtmania]

Mine as well

[@jec1ny]

👍

[@pastajensen]

I love this series, it is great to learn about the civilian life and politics outside of the wars.

[@briansmith9439]

The day after Wilson's radio address, he spoke to a crowd gathered in front of his house, saying ""I am not one of those that have the least anxiety about the triumph of the principles I have stood for. I have seen fools resist Providence before, and I have seen their destruction, as will come upon these again, utter destruction and contempt. That we shall prevail is as sure as God reigns." Wilson's share of the blame for the failure to agree to the Treaty of Versailles and the failure to join the League of Nations is much greater than the points made in this episode. Seeing that this is not an episode about said failures, it shouldn't be included. Wilson knew before returning to Paris for the final peace negotiations that Congress would not ratify any treaty because of his own actions. He was blatantly told this fact yet he tried to blackmail every Democrat candidate for office by threats of sabotaging their election if they refused to support his decision. Wilson had refused every attempt by both parties to bring him to negotiate the terms of the League of Nations which were troublesome for Congress. One of the biggest obstacles was his refusal to consider Congress's attempt to remove the power to declare war from the executive branch of government to the legislative - from the President to Congress. The continuing struggle between the extent of power in the Executive branch versus the legislative branch of government has never abated - though Congress was at a low-point during 2016 - 2020 in demonstrable power for at least the last century. A good Wilson analysis is at: www.loc.gov/static/programs/national-recording-preservation-board/documents/WilsonsArmisticeDayBroadcast.pdf

[@Xerxesjc28]

I am currently listenign to the great podcast "The History of the Twentieth Century" by Mark Painter. In it he goes into detail about what you mentioned but he also points out that there was a great change in the termperment of WIlson before and after his stroke. He was so uncompromising and difficult to deal with that it almost is certain his stroke changed his personality from how he acted before. It should also be mentioned that he probably got the flu (spanish flu?) when he traveled to Europe. In short, it was a great tragedy that he got so many ailments around this time. He really should have been forced to resign.

[@jeffschlarb4965]

@@Xerxesjc28 I was surprised to learn recently, that many deaths in the second *year of the "Spanish Flu" were due to the "treatment" people were being given!* Salycilic Acid/ Aspirin, was the NEW wonder drug of the ERA! If a little Aspirin gave some relief, why not DOUBLE or Triple the dose? WELL, we KNOW now that you can have TO MUCH Aspirin, in 1918/9 THEY did not *The recorded DOSAGE they were giving people was killing them...*

[@rexjaru]

Going to that Harlem nightclub would certainly make an entertaining night out! A place like that would have a decent batch of bootleg liquor too - nothing that would cause ‘blinding’ experiences.

[@nohigherreligionthanthetru338]

You should do an episode about how the worlds first State Institute for Racial Biology was established in Uppsala, Sweden in 1922. It inspirerad the nazis a lot...

[@naveenraj2008eee]

Hi Indy Wow.. Learned alots of historical details.. Especially about charleston.. Never hear about it nor seen it.. Thanks for another awesome historical lesson.. 🙏

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks Naveen!

[@eskimojoe37]

I just finished the three part American Experience documentary The Great War… I didn't realized how tyrannical Wilson was at home durning WWI while preaching freedom abroad.

[@friendlyone2706]

He turned a federal government dedicated to Equal rights into a Jim Crow advocate. At least he did so openly. His Democrat descendants continue to preach "no future" to blacks and, by lowering standards for black students, reduce their educational achievements. Insidious.

[@korbell1089]

Puritans: "I hear someone having fun, we must stomp that out NOW!"

[@Fabermain]

Its almost as if they puritans thought control has passed on to liberals in murica.

[@TheIfifi]

@@Fabermain lol you reckon the left wing is the mind controllers? It strikes me that the Republicans are the ones believing in conspiracy theories. The "stolen" election which resulted in an attempted coup.

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

@@TheIfifi It's almost like allowing propaganda into the news.... was a very bad idea by the Democrats. . .

[@TheIfifi]

@@tyvernoverlord5363 Propaganda has that funny effect that it's only called propaganda if you disagree with it..

[@pnkemp]

@@tyvernoverlord5363 political bias has been in US media since before the Democratic Party was even founded. The Alien and Sedition Acts was designed to weaken the oppositions press and was passed by the Federalists.

[@thurin84]

funny how thorny the elites get when the proles dont follow their wishes.

[@SNOUPS4]

The music right before the outro is good with such episodes

[@bdills89]

Interesting fact i learned the other day. Ho chi Minh use to write Wilson letters for ideas and a meeting on freedom for his nation and how to govern it. Wilson refused to meet him and read his letters and He met with Stalin Trotsky and Lenin which later he would use for Vietnam. And we all know how that turned out

[@jamesbinns8528]

?Wilson met with Stalin?

[@elwin38]

@@jamesbinns8528 No, Ho Chi Minh met with the communists. He was at the Paris peace talks trying to meet with the allies on how to become an independent country free from the French but they wouldn't listen and they shunned him so he turned to Trotsky and Lenin.

[@friendlyone2706]

@@jamesbinns8528 Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt were both sons of Confederate ideology and extreme racist.

[@sunshine7453]

During WW1, Wilson promised self determination to all colonized nation and people. But after the war, he ate his own words. Ho Chi Minh believed in Wilson and wrote to him. Wilson never bothered to answer it. Ho Chi Minh, In his own words "They are sharing the cakes of their colonies". Shortly after, Lenin promised to help the colonized countries. That was why Ho Chi Minh turned into communist. Ho Chi Minh spent 30 years of his youth oversea searching for a political solution for Vietnam and found none. So he decided to return to Vietnam to fight to the bitter end against the French and succeeded.

[@friendlyone2706]

@@mcs699 What do you know about Black Jack Pershing?

[@Paladin1873]

There's no telling where that confounded jazz will lead us. I see no good coming from it.

[@nigeh5326]

Here here you can’t beat a bit of Mozart that’s quite fast and manic enough for these jazz ‘fiends’ 😊

[@57WillysCJ]

It will lead to rock and roll. By then jazz is okay and rock and roll will take over as the new bad.

[@Paladin1873]

@@57WillysCJ It should have stopped at swing. By the way, mine is a 47 CJ2A with its original 1945 MB engine.

[@57WillysCJ]

@@Paladin1873 I have a 47 and a 1952 M38A1

[@Paladin1873]

@@57WillysCJ I had a 54 Cj3B in high school many moons ago. My brother restored a WWII MB abut 20 years ago, but sold it to somebody else ;-( My sister still has the CJ5 our grandmother gave her as a college graduation gift in 1975. Her son restored it to cherry condition a few years back.

[@joezephyr]

Excellent thank you Indy

[@philipeagles]

Wonderful video as usual team

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks Philip

[@gabrielrobles5288]

I would very much like to that club as well Indy, sounds really fun.

[@padawanmage71]

Dear if that’s where ‘Dance Dance Revolution’ came from? Lol

[@glennedgar5057]

My grandfather was a teenager during ww1. Many people joined the army and came back alcholoics. It was because of gas and trench warfare. People though the war was a mistake

[@bman6065]

I feel like substance abuse is pretty typical after any major catastrophic event. Especially a war not just any specific event. Definitely had some great uncles I never got to meet because they drank themselves to death after tours in the 2nd war. God bless em

[@friendlyone2706]

Which is why so many didn't believe the horror stories coming out of Germany -- we were fooled once, refused to be fooled again. Unfortunately, this time the stories were true.

[@PhillyPhanVinny]

Since the Philippines being a American colony was brought up I want tell a part of history that is often never brought up anymore on how the Philippines actually became a American colony. After the Spanish American war settled militarily a peace agreement still needed to be signed. The peace was set to be agreed to in Paris between the US and Spain with other countries there as well. Prior to the peace meeting then US President McKinley told the 2 diplomats he was sending to represent the US to not agree to take the Philippines from Spain and to set it free like was to happen to Cuba since it was the opinion of the majority of Americans that the US should not have colonies. But while at the meetings the British representatives told the US representatives that the US should take the Philippines in the peace deal. They were able to convince the Americans to go against the orders of the President because they explained how if the US did not take the Philippines to be their own colony that the Philippines would fall to another nation as their colony. They already knew Germany wanted the Philippines since they had tried to let the US take it while the war was still being fought. They also explained that it was not out of the question that Russia or Japan would try to take the Philippines as their own colony as well. The British representatives went further by saying that the UK was likely to take the Philippines as their own colony if the US didn't take it just to prevent Germany from having the Philippines. So the US ended up taking the Philippines to be their own colony to prevent it from going to a European nation. It was already established shorty after the US took the Philippines that the US would only hold the Philippines until it could hold it's independence on it's own. This was because the US had no reason to want the Philippines as a colony as there were no resources that it could provide the US that it didn't already have. This is the same reason the UK didn't really want the Philippines either, they were only going to take it to prevent Germany from having it. The Filipino people didn't believe this and thought the US was trying to hold and exploit the Philippines as past European nations had. So the Filipinos continued their revolt that they were fighting against Spain against the USA. That was until they eventually started to believe the US was telling the truth and didn't actually want the Philippines to use it for any resources. The US was set to free the Philippines after it's military was strong enough to defend itself but Japan attacked the islands before then which delayed the independence of the islands. Which is why the Filipino people were really the only colonial nation people in WW2 to fight Japan off when they invaded and said they were there to free them. The Filipinos were like "we were already set to be free and would be free now if you never invaded us". All the other colonial nations that Japan invaded during WW2 felt for a time at least that Japan was actually there to help them get independence from their European master nation.

[@ianmiller8399]

You should probably mention the brutal actions by the US in putting down the revolt before someone gets angry that you didn’t mention it.

[@Jay-ho9io]

@@ianmiller8399 As they should. "American Atrocities in the Philippines: The Indictment and the Response on JSTOR" www.jstor.org/stable/3637551

[@michellearmstrong7903]

Vinny this is shit

[@TrickiVicBB71]

I wouldn't be so warm to the US Vinny. You know the US kept Filipinos in zoos and said they were trying to "civilize" them overseas.

[@jrgay958]

@@TrickiVicBB71 (pointing and laughing) Look, a CCP troll!

[@coldburn9956]

I missed my friend was happy to see you again today!

[@odysseusrex5908]

I'm a trifle hard of hearing. At first I thought you said, "Alien former American president." LOL

[@rkitchen1967]

That was Obama

[@albertjackinson]

11:21 to 11:23 That tiny little smile on Indy's face in the corner of his mouth made that segment even better than it already was for me! :D Another instance of that: 12:36 to 12:38 And very interesting episode once again!

[@TimeGhost]

Nice to see a comment from someone watching so closely. Glad you enjoyed it, there is plenty more to come.

[@FortuneZer0]

Woodrow Wilson, the man EVERYONE hates.

[@mjbull5156]

He also had little use for the checks and balances and constitutional constraints on the federal government including freedom of speech. He was perhaps the president with the most antipathy to the principles of American government as there had been to that point.. The bitter outburst of that authoritarian because his opponents did not share his arrogant grand vision is something to take with a grain of salt.

[@BleedingUranium]

@@user-otzlixr Yep, that's what always gets missed in these discussions. People should always be judged by the standards of their era, otherwise you're just setting yourself up to be judged by the standards of those 100 years from *now*. And the idea that people 100 years from now will hold beliefs and ideas that in any way resemble one's own views today is another far too common assumption people make.

[@Bob.W.]

I just come here to look at that stove.

[@billd.iniowa2263]

It's a beaut aint it? lol

[@capt_von_ondine5962]

It's a heater. They talked about the background story of it awhile back.

[@stewarti7192]

A small correction: Marlene Dietrich died in 1992, not 1996.

[@hannahskipper2764]

I want to go to that bar too!

[@jeffschlarb4965]

*The "League of Nations" allowed the "League" to DIRECT military Troops of MEMBER countries!* Henry Cabot Lodge, Senator who led the fight against membership that would CEDE command of our military to an NON US leader. *Thanks HENRY!!*

[@breniesunbird3276]

Just so you know guys, it's pronounced "tsseitgeist". On an unrelated note, I'm personally hoping for a future segment about the evolution of psychology and the psychoanalytic movement, but maybe it's too late. Great job though, I really enjoy that series.

[@jliller]

Sounds like Bruce Dickinson (yes, The Bruce Dickinson) needs to make another song about another doomed airship.

[@MrTapanes]

As always, love the vid. What's that painting of the woman in the green dress to your right?

[@MrTapanes]

@@fernandocarloto2291 Excellent! Thanks

[@jackdaly4258]

Nice portrait by Orpen

[@GeneralSmitty91]

Now that's what I call a mean martini. Cheers! 🍸

[@cdabiri]

to the revolution indy, to the revolution

[@Gamer12051]

are these sets for real? they seem real... or are they some amazing green screen projections? They're amazing. Who's the artist for the paintings? Love the green on the one contrasted with the red on the other one.. ocher wall... turquoise blue tiles on the chimney stack (?)... the set is a magnificent still life 11/10! who made it?

[@dominicguye8058]

Everything is real.

[@MrXenon1994]

I'm always shocked at how rapidly US presidents deteriorate, especially in wartime. Wilson, FDR and LBJ were absolutely wrecked from their wars, they died so soon!

[@Dave-sz6lk]

I believe this episode is the E21

[@davidhuber9418]

thank you!

[@TimeGhost]

you're very welcome

[@davidhuber9418]

@@TimeGhost i would also like to say to "Indy" frank zappa, baseball entrepreneur. frank capa, lady's man, photographer, hero

[@StickWithTrigger]

oh the humanity

[@krisfrederick5001]

Is your Martini shaken or stirred? 🍸

[@Otokichi786]

Agitated by the times?

[@kasumikojiro7221]

@@Otokichi786 good one 😄

[@Soundbrigade]

That's such an important question that the Mythbusters decided to approach the issue scientifically. I can't remember what their result was but I have a hint that gin is stronger than vermouth.

[@yellaboy2617]

Hopefully you mention Wilson's involvement in the nadir of race relations and how he literally promoted the Klan.

[@BELCAN57]

Big time racist.

[@larryhall2805]

There's something deeply satisfying to see that unreconstructed, southern bigot being scorned by both progressives and conservatives in the present day.

[@thelastnormalgenz6578]

@@larryhall2805 Wilson in general however was actually very much for ethnic self-determination, especially when it came to foreign countries. He was for decolonization and the breakup of empires that didn’t respect the rights of their peoples. And he promoted the League of Nations and peace at all costs, as well as more linkage between nations in trade and economy, which started and continued a process which has bound many countries together in trade agreements, decreasing the likelihood of violent conflict. He had unfortunate views on race and in his own country, but was overall very much a president that the US needed at the time and for the time. So scorn for his negative race views, but he shouldn’t be regarded as a bad president and certainly not for the era he was in, considering all that the 1910s and 1920s were.

[@larryhall2805]

@@thelastnormalgenz6578 I reject that ascertion. Yes, he was all for that that you mentioned, but wasn't simply man of his times regarding race. He took an active role in segregating Washington DC and actively promoting domestic terrorism (klu klux klam).

[@thelastnormalgenz6578]

@@ForelliBoy Yes, which for the time was a regular view. Even today most areas outside of Europe and the Americas are in practice ethnostates, so the concept is not an outdated one even today. Just look at the ideas and practices of China and Africa, or the Arabism of the Middle East. And Indian Nationalism, Israeli Nationalism...etc. I could go on. It’s by no means a topic that is outdated, except here in the West in the 21st Century.

[@billd.iniowa2263]

I didnt really care that much about the 1920s. Until now. Lots of innovations, inventions, and ideas.

[@TimeGhost]

Glad this series is having such a positive effect on you!

[@Depipro]

On Wilson: a while back I stumbled upon a few history buffs on KZbin who love to vilify him, first and foremost for his support for the (re-establishment of the) Ku Klux Klan, but also for his haughty arrogance both at home and abroad, yielding a lot of words and not a lot of positive results. One of them even came up with a what-if scenario in which Theodore Roosevelt once again made president and intervened in WW I much more quickly than Wilson historically did, leading to a lesser cost in lives and, possibly, no fertile soil for the Bolsheviks to have their revolution on, instead giving Kerensky a fair chance. What is your take, not so much on this alternative scenario (what-ifs will always be iffy), but on this view of Wilson and his role in history?

[@mireillelebeau2513]

Indy: the kleine Napoleon Me: Adolf Hitler? Indy: Marlene Dietrich debut.

[@markwalker3484]

Why don't Baptists make love standing up? ... It might lead to dancing.

[@appanpappan]

As a swede i take offense fron the comment that the peace prize would be the most famous nobel prize. Its handed out in Oslo

[@yourstruly4817]

So? Not everyone knows it's the capital of Finland

[@Tramseskumbanan]

At the time when the Nobel prize was instituted, Sweden and Norway were in a union. That’s why the Norwegians kept the privilege of being in charge of the peace prize while Sweden is in charge of the science, mathematics and economic prizes.

[@Snipergoat1]

I would not want to claim it either. Too many useless fucks have been awarded it for it to mean anything.

[@appanpappan]

@@Snipergoat1 true that

[@poiuyt975]

2:32 Wilson looks like H. P. Lovecraft's evil twin. ;-) Or rather a father considering how much older he was.

[@NisuUuno]

WILSON!!!!!

[@TheFrothyBrew]

Regarding the American isolationists, how did they explain their disdain for alliances when participation in the League of Nations was a non-binding affair? If it works like the current UN, the US is obligated to assist other member states, but obviously, the US hasn't surrendered sovereignty to other nations.

[@Kannietwo]

Habt ihr eine neue Kamera oder ist es die Beleuchtung? Es sieht so anders aus.🤔 Also im positiven Sinne.

[@dashcroft1892]

I think you’re right … or Indy is on his third take/martini. Lots of technicolor in that face! 🍸🍸🍸

[@balisong46]

Wouldn't this be Episode 21?

[@ligayamatira2164]

We Wish to Feature about the Lateran Treaty and the Vatican City in 1929

[@TimeGhost]

It's already in the longlist don't you worry.

[@snpr1022]

So The Charleston was the "Twerking" of the twenties.... wait it's currently the twenties....the more things change.....

[@darkhope97]

Wondering if you could cover the alexandrov ensemble whe you get t0 1928

[@TimeGhost]

We'll put it in the longlist of ideas.

[@darkhope97]

@@TimeGhost please do it might sound weird but even here on chile the red army choir came to me on a very dark moment of my life about 10 years ago when I had serious suicidal thoughts and I managed to find solace a new perspective and purpose on the choir songs

[@craigclemens986]

Drink your martini, Indy

[@RoboticDragon]

He wanted to run for 3 terms? I thought a president could only ever serve for 2 terms. Also thats so cool about the Charleston.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

That rule didn't come into being until after FDR. FDR was planning a 3rd term and would have most likely won.

[@tigertank06]

@@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164 FDR did have a third term.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

@@tigertank06 Yes, you're right.

[@stewarti7192]

FDR got a fourth term, although he didn't live very long after winning it.

[@user-qj1bt1uv2n]

As I understand it, anyone can serve for any number of terms as they and the people want but two terms was the tradition set by George Washington and most Presidents after him followed suit until Franklin Roosevelt was elected for 4 consecutive terms. After which an amendment was introduced that limited the number of terms to two terms consecutively. For instance, President Biden is currently in the White House now. If he and the people want him to, he can be elected in 2024. If he is elected, he cannot run again in 2028 but could run again in 2032 if he survives that long.

[@chaosincarnate380]

Not my favorite US president, in fact I rank him just above Biden, but an excellent analysis nonetheless!

[@Snipergoat1]

In fairness, I have old socks that would rate higher than Biden.

[@gelgamath_9903]

In 50-60 years people will be talking about twerking and it's effects on society, the way we talk about the charleston today

[@6thsavage]

Ahhh, so the *Charleston* is to blame for my ontological insecurity!

[@georgeweeks5388]

Shouldn't this be numbered E.21????

[@TimeGhost]

Good spot. It's fixed.

[@HS-su3cf]

The Americans already had Major League Baseball, so they didn't feel a need for League of Nations.

[@gbaker1a775]

“Isolationism” a clever pejorative to describe minding your own business.

[@jared4walsh]

PM King 1921-1925 -26-29-1935-1945 of Canada

[@Spencer481]

I hate to agree with Wilson, but I think history proved justified his bitterness about America not joining the league of nations and taking an active roll in international affairs.

[@Spencer481]

@@gregorywade1559 I think there's a middle ground between Americans pretend isolationism of the early 20th century, and invading middle east countries.

[@Spencer481]

@@gregorywade1559 that not what I said though, Wilson seems to have predicted the inherent trouble of not taking an active roll in world affairs, letting Japan Germany and Italy run riot across the world until America was attacked, asleep at the wheel.

[@Spencer481]

@@gregorywade1559 I think letting fascism and authoritarians take hold is worse, but you conservatives like that sort of thing.

[@Spencer481]

@@gregorywade1559 lol you sound delusional mate. I'm not a communist, I like to have liberal democracy. But I guess everyone who disagrees with you is a communist huh lol.

[@Spencer481]

@@gregorywade1559 I'm getting strong boot licking vibes from you dude. I'm not in the habit of debating fascist simps and I'm not going to start today. Cheers.

[@ewc58]

Avoiding a putrid latrine hole rather than falling in like a zombie is "isolationism". Maybe to some I guess

[@mikecopier8843]

Imagine living in the desert in North Africa in the 1920’s, isolated from the modern world and you suddenly see a massive airship going by. What would go through their minds?

[@Dabhach1]

"I hope nobody's using the john just now..."

[@dominicguye8058]

They weren't THAT isolated

[@andrewfischer8564]

same wilson that started jim crow

[@Snipergoat1]

That would be impressive considering that Wilson would have been about 20 when Jim Crow laws began appearing.

[@filb]

I guess religious organizations repeat the same thing over and over...every time they condemn something, it always has the opposite effect.

[@TimeGhost]

See also: prohibition (kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2fclJ55mdOWotk).

[@salty4496]

:)

[@user-qj1bt1uv2n]

:)

[@haeuptlingaberja4927]

Thing is that Wilson was a monster toward whom history has been far, far too kind. See the Cynical Historian's video for more on this.

[@fullm3taljacket]

Wilson was such an awful, truly terrible human being

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Disney? Never heard of it. I'm sure the company didn't last very long. ;)

[@Gokiburi777]

Woodrow Wilson: The Al Gore of his day...

[@gbaker1a775]

Warren G. Harding had the right idea.

[@sc2starkey]

'Isolationism' should not be a technical term. It's an insult. No one uses it to describe their own policies, its only used by their opponents. Washington was, and is still right.

[@Jay-ho9io]

Isolationism is, and even then was a false ideology. The world has always been global, and has only become increasingly so. To cling to a memory of what never was as a way to conduct what now is might be the definition of conservatism, but it's hardly the way to manage One of the most powerful and largest countries on planet Earth built -almost- uniformly by immigrants, and colonial descendants.

[@poultrypickins9572]

@@Jay-ho9io Built by immigrants FLEEING oppressive "global" nations. Funny how when the super rich want to play army men in the global sandbox,the army men are the only ones who don't get to go home. Being a strong freestanding nation is not a bad thing. The USA is actually one of the few that could literally close all borders tomorrow and still feed themselves. Dependance on other nations is nothing to brag about. Immigrants still fight to get here BECAUSE of our culture and laws. They want to be part of a free nation. Not a global pawn for a handful of super powerful groups.

[@Jay-ho9io]

@@poultrypickins9572 @Poultry Pickins The overwhelming majority of American immigrants have immigrated to the United States from countries that are far from global in their connections, The majority of them having come from the Global South. Those countries, many of whom haven't been made impoverished or kept impoverished by actions taken by the United States and its allies (and their opponents.) I've spent 16 years serving in that military you're talking about. Since World War II, the overwhelming majority of our military action has been unilateral in nature, and are most successful ones have been multilateral. Strong alliances that we maintain and do not abandon for unilateral action would have kept us out of several of our failed wars. It is not inaccurate to say the United States could feed itself, it is an accurate to pretend that the rate at which we could feed ourselves would be called luxurious or even comfortable by the average American. The overwhelming majority of the produce in your supermarkets and grocery stores are a product of a global logistic system, as is the standard of living that you yourself have become used to. There is no such thing as a truly freestanding nation on a closed environment, and technology is such now that the United States cannot even pretend otherwise. Both historically (China, Japan, others) and presently, nations that have chosen splendid isolation, have instead revealed it to be a self-limiting neutering of the country's power, Well simultaneously leaving it open to being surpassed and it's agency usurped by exterior nations. There is no longer a frontier to steal from Indigenous nations, And we are no longer limited by sail or steam to pretend the world is smaller than it is. United States involvement is global because United States existence is global. Those that dream otherwise were attempt to conform reality to that illusion or consigning themselves to the dust bin of history, and no amount of demanding otherwise is going to change that.

[@bludfyre]

@@poultrypickins9572 But you couldn't fix your car, or get a new one, or get a new TV, or a new computer, or a new phone, or new clothes. At least, after the warehouses were emptied of what had already come from overseas. The biggest nightmare for the United States would be for the rest of the world to give Trumpers exactly what they say they want: leave America alone.

[@tando6266]

@Jacob Starkey You do realize American isolationism is defined as an unwillingness to take part in bilateral actions with global partners, almost exclusively referring to Europe until after ww2. In fact every decade between Washington and Wilson saw unilateral action resulting in foreign action by the U.S. military, so we can absolutely rule out any definition that refers to not involving foreign military intervention. But you keep eating those member berries.

[@CARL_093]

I do not like him and a distrace to us historians

[@nigeh5326]

Who Indy or Wilson? And what do you mean a distrace did you mean a disgrace? If so again who do you mean?

[@TiredCzech]

@@nigeh5326 I am so confused from this comment as well

[@poultrypickins9572]

I am on the edge of my seat waiting to find out wtf you meant.

[@yourstruly4817]

Shamefur Dispray

[@shrihithtalapaneni9227]

@@nigeh5326 I think he means Wilson and it's a disgrace that Historians rate him as a highly ranked President.