KORG TRITON Hardware vs Software SHOOTOUT

Let's compare the sound of the newly released KORG TRITON VST plugin from KORG COLLECTION 2 with an original hardware KORG TRITON CLASSIC synthesizer sampler workstation from 1999.
We'll play the same preset program and combi patches back to back on both instruments, comparing the sound of the drums, bass, pads, pianos and more.
Can you hear the difference?
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[@cromulence]

Super impressive VST; the old Legacy Collection with the M1/WAVESTATION/Polysix etc has been around well over 15 years, so to finally add a Triton to the pack is outstanding. $399 is a bargain! Also props to KORG for not doing the greedy cloud stuff that Roland is doing; I want to buy and OWN software.

[@looneyburgmusic]

" Also props to KORG for not doing the greedy cloud stuff that Roland is doing; I want to buy and OWN software." - You are WAY out of date on Roland Cloud. A lifetime license can be purchased for each VSTi on RC, and, for most of them at far better prices than the $400 Korg is demanding for the Triton VSTi...

[@cromulence]

@@looneyburgmusic I look forward to those lifetime licenses working when then pull the activation servers...

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@cromulence Why would Roland ever do that? You think Roland is going to just up and shut down someday and close up shop?

[@cromulence]

@@looneyburgmusic Look at Adobe- their old products stopped working when they pulled the activation servers. You don't own the product - so you're entirely at their mercy.

[@looneyburgmusic]

@@cromulence The RC soft-synths are nothing like Adobe products. As I said, you are working on outdated information. Once you buy, it's yours for the rest of your life.

[@kiko1935]

Looks like Korg did their due diligence recreating the Triton. I'm pretty iffy about software recreations of analog synths but for something like a PCM based workstation this makes a lot of sense. Thanks for taking the time to do this Woody.

[@grantos]

I made my first beat on a Triton in 99. My best friend at the time had worked for 3 years to save up to buy it and had it in his room. One of the first bedroom studios i saw lol. Always has a special place in heart.

[@JoseVGavila]

I always prefer the hardware, but the space limit is a problem here. Thanks for the comparison!

[@darrenhirst9900]

I've got the Yamaha modx and I've played the vst and its not the synth.

[@damonsummers]

I bought my Triton studio in about 2004, and still have it! Still used in my studio, and I even have the CD recorder installed!!! Great video, although I do use plugins, I believe its still better to buy the hard ware...if you've got the room!

[@WoodyPianoShack]

so many guys cherishing their tritons, great to hear that!

[@CraftyOldGit]

Lovely comparison, thank you. I bought the Triton VST yesterday. Just beginning to get to grips with it. Hugely impressed with what Korg could do 25+ years ago. The VST is impressive and excellent value.

[@Hamfantasy56]

Korg (& Roland) reproductions of old sample based workstations are not "imitations" : they use the same sample banks and consequently have exactly the same sound, period.The only differences due to the higher quality of actual 24bit sound cards converters, which render a more aseptic, a bit colder sound, nothing we cannot adjust with little "warmth" post-processing. Scientific comparision as always, thanks.

[@pepinillosazucarados6743]

I HOPE THEIR NEXT VST WOULD BE A RECREATION OF THE KORG O1WFD OR THE DSS1 FROM THE 80'S

[@SonicYM2612]

They both honestly sound fantastic, and any difference in the sound is very minimal, they got it spot on. And besides, when played in isolation or in a mix, no one will be able to tell if it was the software or hardware, the sound is simply legit Korg Triton either way! What's more important is how you make use of the instrument.

[@Jason75913]

always

[@colinwright4139]

@@KyleScott nonsense. Emotion comes from the player/composer

[@colinwright4139]

@@KyleScott different sonics doesn't really make for a difference in emotion though, does it? Sonically, miles apart, knobs not having desired effect, and being virtually impossible to 100% emulate circuits being the cause. Some time with the original, and vst and you could get them much closer. Almost pointless if writing new stuff.

[@DeyquanBowens]

Triton is my favorite board of all time. I tried the software and that thing is next level!

[@alexthejapanfan7905]

I hope their next VST would be the re-creation of the Korg trinity, that thing is legit a godly Phoenix that rose from the ashes of a project that didn’t make it through. I really wish they would do that.

[@JayTheLane]

Yes indeed, I have just picked up a Trinity Pro 76 in mint condition for $300. It is a beast.

[@americanantagon1st]

I'm so late, but after one video tutorial about hardware MIDI on the Triton, I was recommended here! lol The hardware sounds Deeper and less "flat". They sound pretty much the exact same sonically, but there's a slight lack of "realness" with the VST. Thank you for sharing!

[@kb420ps]

I'm usually one to say "the hardware sounds better or warmer", but this time is different. It seems that they are identical in my ears. I would even say that some of the sounds seem a little more defined in the software. It's as if the software is using more voices to do the same sounds, and there is more definition because of it. This may be one of the best software emulations/recreations yet.

[@zamora_5312]

I tried the Triton VST at my church today and it sounded amazing! besides keyscape its my #1 VST to play live.

[@JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION]

They are spot on similar soundwise.

[@Uneedhelp91]

Ok, I waited the entire video before commenting. The Actual hardware instrument sounds much more pleasant to listen to, whereas the VST was clear(er) then the hardware. I prefer the tone of the hardware instrument... especially when you did the LA piano preset. The VST one had high end where the hardware didn't or did but filtered it better. You could see the difference in tone via the waveforms. 💯 Woody! Constructive feedback: It was confusing to me without your direction to know what which version was playing hardware or virtual. I think that a title in the corner would have helped. When you said screen capture, I was thinking about the VST interface.

[@WoodyPianoShack]

good summary of the sound, i usually would put up a caption, but this time, um, wanted to challenge my viewers a bit :p

[@Uneedhelp91]

@@WoodyPianoShack well you did just that lol

[@magicspiral]

Great video, Woody! I have a deep connection to the Triton and this is a treat!

[@philbjackson]

To install it that vst , your computer Windows OS has to be 64 bit compared to the Triton hardware. That Triton was the synth to get before Fantom X came out 8 years later. I have to find me a perfect condition Karma or M3 . This video is great , it show how many companies could take the software side but I heard the Kronos and Yamaha Montage is amazing hardware synth. The Price of the older synth are getting higher ever year. I have always said if you computer goes down your entire virtual setup goes. But with the hardware , I have yet to see my Fantom X crash. anyways I love your videos. I've watched your old collection of keyboard videos many times and will watch it today. The outside videos is my favorite because to keep those keys white you need some sunlight.

[@arcanics1971]

If you enjoy the videos, don't forget there's a Discord server too! bit.ly/discord_woody

[@marlonhyre]

Romance layers always has a place in my heart ❤️❤️❤️

[@SamNiverba]

Oohhhhh yeahhhh, Hardware VS Software 💖💖💖💖 Lezzz goo

[@johnsaunders6510]

Sounds fantastic. A great comparison video.

[@mrgriffton9935]

Finally it's here :)

[@medwaystudios]

Thanks, much closer than the Wavestation one. Guess I'll stick to the VST in this case.

[@mr_floydst]

Great video - this was a lot of work for sure. Surprised there are some noteable differences between these two. BTW I see what you did there 8:07

[@WoodyPianoShack]

hi floyd, lol, glad you picked up on that little easter egg!

[@arcanics1971]

I do love the sound of the Triton- even that cheesy Oran Jones bit.

[@CrazedCrittic]

In my humble opinion.. software will always be "a homage to.." and hardware, however dated, is the go to.

[@lukealexander3639]

I just wish korg would make some way of loading third party sounds made for the hardware, if they did I'd be sold.

[@jeffleonhardt7173]

Very similar. The hardware sounded a bit more refined, but I think some EQ work could bring things back into balance.

[@aristotlekumpis7095]

It's hard to tell unless you are listening with good monitors or headphones. Hardware always sounds better because of the A/D converters. It gives the sound a wider and fuller sound. Hard to explain. But I have lots of hardware gear and it always sounds better. But I love software for the ease and automation. With software, you usually always need to make it fit in the mix with EQ and such.

[@ProjectVastness]

I've a Triton Le and also the vst, for me Triton even makes most modern keyboards blush. For example my Triton Le is way better than my Yamaha Modx 88 in sounds, functions (sequencer , aftertouch -something Modx doesn't have, and Yamaha workflow is just a fucking mess)

[@chaton51]

I bought it when korg released it.. i m waiting for a korg z1 vst with lots of sounds.... may be i m dreaming...

[@WoodyPianoShack]

moss ftw!

[@cooloutbeats]

Yeah I found it odd Korg skipped right over the Prophecy, Z1, and Trinity. I guess Triton was a bigger seller and is more recognized. I'm sure that virtual analog tech is what powers Korg Gadget. If you really think about it is almost like virtual Korg Oasys.

[@Xianpaul0523]

How to turn on it's sustain on the program itself?

[@tan90]

thanks for this video Woody. Was the Triton keyboard connected via analogue into your sound card?

[@suadcokljat1045]

Hardware Triton also runs software code on it's DSPs to generate sound... DSPs and original code can be emulated 100% to run on x64 CPU. If emulation is done thoroughly (ideal scenario), the only audiable difference is character of D/A converter on audio interface that differ from manufacturer to manufacturer and whole lot more differ to Triton original D/A. Not to mention wow placebo effect when you touch the real thing. Cheers!

[@fakshen1973]

True. But a good emulation will take that D to A into account. The D to A converter is crucial in any digital synth, sampler, ROMpler (like a digital drum machine). The results of the D to A converter would be pretty predictable to model. I would think the bigger factor would be the A to D converter as the Triton is being recorded to the DAW used for the comparison.

[@SuperNoa24]

I'd say they did a pretty good with the VST. Nice comparison! Could you tell me the name of the first patch you used? Maybe I've missed it.

[@DonnyDonnMendoza]

The Triton is the sound of my late teens and I love it (but couldn't afford it at the time). I also prefer hardware but the VST sounds pretty good too and I don't have space for (another) keyboard!!!

[@lookingforamuse]

Hardware sounds better IMHO - especially evident on my A7X's ( on OG sounds rounder and a smidge warmer).

[@coolramone]

How do you record a short simple song on the Korg Triton?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

i think korg has some tutorial videos, alternative, download and read the manuals. i don't think anybody will write you an instruction guide in the yt comments... :D

[@oussmayo]

does the vst have extra presets that cant be made on the hardware(triton extreme) or do they have the exact same presets and pcm samples? thanks in advance!

[@geoffk777]

Maybe other people are playing this on better sound systems, but to me they both sound close to identical. If you don't watch the screen, you often can't even tell when it switches from one to the other. That doesn't surprise me. Making a VST model of an analog synth is hard, but a digital synth is basically just software running on dedicated hardware. Take the same samples and software, move it to a PC, and you'd expect a similar result. There may be minor differences in things like DACs, but not so you'd really care. It does seem like this VST is a bit quirky and missing some features for the price. I especially agree that the MOSS board should have been included, as that's very expensive now in hardware.

[@godzil42]

The CC linked to each knob may change on each patch/combis. If you to the PROG section, select a patch, press the menu; go to the Page 1 (Edit-Basic), the "Controller"' tab you willl see the current assignement for the knobs. For example with the default Triton Classic factory settings, Prog A-000 "Noisy Stabber", the knobs are set this way: Kb 1 - CC73, Kb 2 - CC75, Kb 3 - CC70, Kb 4 - CC21 Same Triton Classic, A-113 "Sweeping EP", Kb 1 - CC17, Kb 2 - CC19, Kb 3 - CC20, Kb 4 - CC21 You will also see here that the ribbon, switch and joystick can also be changed there. If the classic have the exact same screen as the Extreme, on the main screen you should also see in PROG what the knobs are doing. If they are not set to Attack, Decay, Sustain and KMod4; they will have different CCs.

[@arransull660]

When you are using the knobs on the hardware can these be used to control the VST?

[@applecider]

8:06 good lord! those CC's are really really naughty, aren't they?

[@blue.sunset]

Triton is epic! Best hardware synth/workstation ever! Best VST instrument ever! The new ones don't even have a sequencer like the Triton. It is not a workstation that has realistic acoustic sounds like pianos and violins like the new workstations but in electronic sounds it beats any of the new workstations on the current market. Triton is a dream. I can't believe it exists for software either. Unmissable!

[@Jason75913]

"realistic acoustic sounds... like the new workstations" depends on who you ask, the newer workstations are honestly laughable versus Kontakt sample libraries and for electronic, yeah, it should be fine for dated sounds, but for modern electronic sounds? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXeyeKKtiMuXea8 Nah, you're out of your bloody mind, those EGs and filters aren't up to the task like Kronos, Krome, and Kross2 as this video shows this guy's attempt at modern leads and plucks, it's just another pad machine outside of old-school electronic sounds, and modern workstations are better suited to pad sounds anway, alternatively, the old Wavestation or newer Wavestate. Triton is a toy versus modern workstations, most especially the unparalleled Kronos 2.

[@CHRADIO100]

Many comfuse VST with SAMPLE but this is a VST that has oscillators so like the TRITON motherboard on my computer it is not sampled like a photo. From Brazil

[@RustediMac]

Are you planning on covering MOSS sounds in the future? I believe it is what makes the hardware Triton still relavant to this day. The sound it can create are so unique, I've been wondering why Korg has never revisited the idea since then. I for one am keeping my Triton for this very reason!

[@WoodyPianoShack]

thanks for the suggest, YES!

[@XavierRadix]

Is it perfect? No. But I think having all those endless banks of sounds on the VST version, and it being cheaper to get than getting a real one, the VST wouldn't be too bad of a choice. Of course, I wouldn't say no to owning the original hardware version, but personally I'm happy having it ready to go in my computer :).

[@Aharshreality9281]

the only issue I find is that ,if you are using a third party controller that has a ribbon, you cant control the ribbon parameter on the vst .soundwise they are identical love you KORG

[@cooloutbeats]

I bought a used Triton LE for $150 seven years ago. I'm curious as how the additional FX available in the plugin compares, but I'll hold out for ipad version. It's amazing how keyboard makers seen to fall a similar path. Sounds go from pricey flagship to low cost model to plugin, then finally free or ipad app. Over the course of years though. Makes Roland's current strategy a bit unique. The same basic presets from the $2500-1000 flagship gear are already available as a plugin without having to wait years for the synth engine to trickle down.

[@liljons6753]

Where did ou buy the Le

[@cooloutbeats]

@@liljons6753 Craigslist.

[@liljons6753]

@@cooloutbeats i dont trust craiglist like i do ebay ....musteve been a local add

[@Uneedhelp91]

I got a Triton Le 88 for $500 about 2 years ago, use it everyweek. The sucker is heavy AF. Bought it from a friend's church that went to a MOXF.

[@liljons6753]

@@Uneedhelp91 that display dont bother you?

[@jahaaja5039]

Hardware version sounds better, VST isn't far of but in a track with compression, eq boosts, limiting etc all those small differences will become more evident. That's why a good source sound is so important. Thanks for the video!

[@colinwright4139]

Or less evident, depending on the user.

[@dykodesigns]

The VST sounds pretty good, but I see some differences in the waveforms, still they sound the same to me.

[@suadcokljat1045]

Even if you record hardware Triton several times with same patch and same MIDI notes, waveforms will be different. Follow your ears.

[@crazypainter56]

with all the hardware that the VST comes with -it's more bang for the buck- i still have a triton

[@tomblaze2]

15:10 - I can hear the 'Woody on the Beat' Beat Tag Over this...

[@petertorda5487]

Some patches sounds close/ same, but I was surprised with that 'Gods Bathtub', almost like something is missing there (last comparison). But interesting is, that this problems have all VST versions of HW synths, despite of that they are pure digital, maybe some HW imperfection, make them sound unique. :-)

[@riftwytch]

Something is missing; the software doesn't emulate the MOSS board. Korg apparently has no interest in adding it, so I have no reason to buy the software; I"LL stick to the hardware. I understand Korg had no plans to do software versions of the Prophecy or Z1, which would be awesome to have in my VST folder.

[@petertorda5487]

@@riftwytch Aha, then there is that catch. It is pity to hear that, MOSS emulation will make biggest sense on VST, as there wouldn't be CPU power limitation, so you could play MOSS patches, as you wish.

[@ChrisCebelenski]

I can predict the replies already - just go see any "VST vs. hardware shootout" video out there. HW Sounds better! No SW sounds better! No they sound the same! The software has no soul!! etc. I think I'm beyond all that these days - does it matter? My criteria are does it sound good and is it usable? Does it help me make (arguably) better music? There's always the nostalgia factor, and the "I paid HOW much for that board and now it's just a plugin?"... I'm as much a gearhead as anyone and I got over 60 synths now (cause I got the room and an understanding spouse) so I'm qualified to say: Go make some music!! (Personal non-cop out opinion - they are different because the output stages are different and probably some of the math results in processing filters have different round-offs and precision limits due to different hardware. If Korg did the code correctly that should be very close indeed.)

[@angelvids6024]

I bought the software vers based on Woody's demo. I'm happy with it.

[@user-vm1hh2lp1b]

Isn’t the point of a “comparison” to compare? This is literally a comparison video.... and yes the hardware does sound better - same with the M1 sw/hw :p But don’t worry I also get what u mean, but I’m sure it’s not a sin to say “one sounds better than the other” when it actually does... I think the only people complaining about comments like that are people who can only afford the VST but deep down really want the hardware ;-P Because the difference in sound is massive - not to mention that some patches in the vst just sound almost like a totally different sound... It’s just about standards I think, it’s about the quality

[@ChrisCebelenski]

@@user-vm1hh2lp1b Sure, and thanks for proving my point! You'd be reply type #1 then! :-) My point is sure it can be fun and makes a good video, but in the end it's just curiosity. If I were lugging around a Triton rack (or even the extreme!) I might seriously consider this as a more reliable replacement for a 30 year-old box if that exact sound was important. Most keyboardists have already gone through later generations of machines and often the exact sample set isn't that crucial, with the exception of iconic sounds.

[@user-vm1hh2lp1b]

Chris Cebelenski I agree, it only matters if you genuinely really care about the sound. The triton vst will work just as well in a mix. It just depends on what you want to do. My only problem is when people claim that the vst sounds just as good when it clearly doesn’t... it gets the job done, but as somebody who is very familiar with the triton sound, to me the vst sounds close, but not quite there. And I felt the same about the M1 vst. The stereo with on the hardware is insane and everything on it just sounds BIG & FAT :D I’m also guessing that they just recorded the multi samples instead of ripping the original waveforms from the chips - hence losing detail and depth. But it’s just a guess

[@mrburns366]

funny thing is they are BOTH software synths ;) There's software running inside the real Triton. It's not magical fairy dust.

[@TriggaP123]

CAN YOU DO A VIDEO ON THE TRINITY PLUS PLEASE?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

wish i had one, noted.

[@Radianation]

I have owned the Triton with MOSS since it was first introduced. I think the MOSS sounds a bit better, but I can't hear any real difference in the hardware vs VST. I think the device you record with and the plugins you use when mastering will make a bigger difference than the VST vs the real deal. Both are digital. Watching this video makes me want to go play my hardware synth while simultaneously making me want to list it on Ebay.

[@lundsweden]

Wow, plug sound pretty good! But since the Triton was a sample based synth, it would’ve been pretty easy for Korg to turn it into a VST. However, in my opinion the best thing about the Triton is the MOSS card option (aka half a Korg Z1). I can’t see why Korg couldn’t add this at some later stage, physical modelling should also be easy enough for them to implement in a VST. I would buy it for sure IF they add MOSS to the mix.

[@WoodyPianoShack]

it's disappointing that it wasn't included in the vst, since it's quite an expensive plugin. perhaps, in the future, or maybe korg plan to release as a separate vst.

[@dbefore7165]

The guy behind moss sadly died at the time so that’s why it was never updated ( the hardware still has bugs that were never fixed too)

[@lundsweden]

The physical modelling tech though is well known, the plucked string model is the Karplus-Strong algorithm from the early 80s for example. There are more modern and improved (though similar) physical modelling VSTs such as SWAM modelled instruments as well as a few other companies that also offer similar models (The best models in the Korg Z1/MOSS board IMO are the bowed string, the woodwinds and brass such as the sax, trumpets, flutes. The other models are OK, such as the organ and electric piano is pretty good, but not as good as say a Pianoteq model.

[@lundsweden]

The only reason Korg might not bother with the MOSS side of things is that they have been eqaualled or bettered by the SWAM and other modelling VSTs. Still MOSS has its own character and I like it, despite being quarter century old tech now!

[@abcoates]

I certainly couldn't pick any difference between the hardware and the VST.

[@mrburns366]

The only difference anybody could notice would be the extremely slight difference made by the DA converter in the audio interface and even then i have serious doubts that people who claim to hear a difference aren't full of it ;)

[@HudsonDuctCleaning]

Hi and thanks. So I have the tritan work station 2002 and it seems im having some problems with sounds. Is there a way to reset the hardware or reinstall??

[@WoodyPianoShack]

sorry ron, i don't know and didn't get that deep with my loan unit! hope someone can chime in, your best bet is the manual and forums.

[@ralis]

I own the original Korg Triton and I was thinking of selling it and getting the vst. Do you think I would really be missing anything?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

sound wise, probably not. but some bits and bytes vs a glorious hardware synth, that's what you're missing i guess.

[@vpetroi3]

Hello ralis ! Did you it finally ? Cheers

[@marcosordelli9544]

Which os the name of the song at 10,42 ? Im going crazy to remember..

[@dledgeproductions1795]

Wherever you go I will be right there watching for you... By Richard Marx

[@carlosnavarro3725]

I think that the proper way to do this kind of comparison is to play the same program or combi and put A and B and ask to think which one is the hardware Triton and then put the right answer: I've watched this kind of test on KZbin on GForce OB-8 and most of the time none can figure out who is who.

[@irt1971]

The Triton is a beast, but I dunno, I think the MODX has killed all other synths for me, hardware or software. I love it.

[@jenslempke7883]

Question? Can you turn off the light on the superknob? So annoying...

[@pedangRoh]

@@jenslempke7883 yes

[@patrickarend8707]

I use a lot of VST's, and i have a MODX. MODX is the best hardware synth i have ever owned, and now the only hardware synth i have. I will never part with my MODX.

[@EsaiaRED]

Only place the physical differences matter ~ Live stage. Using a computer or actual synth starts can become a huge thing in terms of physical connections, reliability, tactile hands on stuff - The miniscule sound differences are soon forgotten....

[@xp50player]

The VST sounds less meaty to me, but it’s a more than adequate substitute. One thing I would like is a USB device with just the joystick, ribbon, and assignable knobs.

[@WoodyPianoShack]

yes, same thing for D50 and wavestation vsts, i haven't found a suitable controller.

[@tokyoskyline1752]

Not sure if the Triton Extreme had a different sound/character compared to Triton but the preset Monolothic Motion sounded very different to the VST when I fired up the hardware a few days ago. And the valve option was off. Also a little disappointed that Korg showed the Extreme in their video 'ad' but the Extreme presets are missing unless under a different preset name. Which is why I've not upgraded yet and sticking with demo for time being. Here's hoping an update will add an Extreme option to select. A bit like the choice of the Odyssey.

[@issiewizzie]

I initially thought this is one of the videos I saw 3 years ago😀

[@WoodyPianoShack]

oh! perhaps that's why not so many people are watching :)

[@HighlandStudio91]

Your videos are the reason why I chose to pull the trigger on the Korg Triton Collection...but I never received my serial # & the link to the download. I submitted a support ticket and now I am waiting in a cold sweat....wondering if I'll ever receive a reply? If it requires something like 24 hours for a Korg representative to process my product,then why doesn't Korg give me a time frame?? What makes me really nervous, is Korg does not refund software purchases....

[@WoodyPianoShack]

i'm sure they will eventually sort that out for you, yes, their online store experience was really bad last time I bought anything.

[@HighlandStudio91]

@@WoodyPianoShack Actually....the mishap I was experiencing, was entirely my fault...as it turned out. What I had overlooked, is that I was required to register my purchase...in order to activate my software(once I did that, everything went as smooth as glass.) I was brand new to Korg software, so I was a bit overwhelmed...as Korg's method of verification & installation is a bit different. Once I opened up my Reason 10 DAW...the Triton collection was up & ready to go & I love the software! Thanks for your reply....cheers. 😎

[@alphabeets]

Will it import sysex from a hardware Triton?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

i don't believe so, not when I tested, many complaints about that.

[@cookiemasta1658]

4:32 Chaka Khan - Aint nobody, plays it better(than Woody)

[@descargamusicalny]

I wonder if they null. Can you do a null test?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

i'm not sure what that is.

[@descargamusicalny]

@@WoodyPianoShack a null test... you take both wave forms, the one from each keyboard since they are being triggered by midi they should be the same... take one of the tracks, either the hardware or software and flip the phase in one of them. You can do this with most EQ plug ins. The resulting sound should be the difference between the 2. The sign for phase invert is usually represented by a symbol that looks like a 0 with a line going through it.

[@descargamusicalny]

@@WoodyPianoShack if you do the null test and you get no sound... that means they are exactly the same.

[@elsongs]

The VST Triton doesn't sample or even give you the opportunity to import your own samples. I wish Korg will allow that in a future update.

[@WoodyPianoShack]

or import your own patches, or MOSS, there are a few glaring omissions, I believe.

[@godzil42]

@@WoodyPianoShack If it had proper connectivity with real hardware, I could thinking about buying it as a good tool to play with the Synth Engine, it is less cramped than the touch screen. But it seems pretty clear they have no will to go there...

[@xavmiz3070]

What was the brilliant track at 14.:38? It's quite the groove.

[@WoodyPianoShack]

well the synth is providing the groove, the melody is based on orange juice jones! :)

[@maccagrabme]

Are you going to keep the HW now that you have the vst?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

the hw is on loan to me

[@MrLeo3D]

Synth companies should also make usb DACs for their VSTs, based on hardware like physical synths for complete immersive experience. Regular DACs used in computer are trying to make soundstage for movies, music, conversation etc. at same time. They are not designed for "music production" by any means, and software emulation lacks warmth & punch which comes from sound coming through electronic components specially laid down for the synths. But still these VSTs let everyone enjoy, who for any reason we're not able to lay hands in the past.

[@dbefore7165]

The dac in your sound card should be superior to what you would get in a synth, if not then your doing things wrong ;)

[@MrLeo3D]

@@dbefore7165 well I was not referring to quality of DAC but setup of DAC by the Synth companies for specific models. I have played similar patches on my Karma (which is based on Triton). Same headphones and sound was different on synth than VST on built-in sound module and even on my 100$ usb soundcard.

[@dbefore7165]

MrLeo3D your sound card is probably better, the Triton series was a bit of a step down in audio quality from the trinity I believe

[@Jason75913]

You can get a warmer sound by using a hi-fi "discrete" design playback DAC + headphone amp/preamp, take a look at Audio-gd equipment, for example.

[@christophertodman8254]

For everyone that complains (or subjectively likes the HW over the SW) can one just not slap on some compressor or eq to help bring out some of it's missing perceived depth or warmth?

[@benkrafty7742]

I always wondered this too. I use Karzog Trueiron and a compressor to mimic the da converters that vst may be missing

[@mmmusicstory]

Hello Woody, Thank you for the good video. I’ve got a question about the software. I’m running it in the MACOS catalina (10.15) In standalone mode, the menu buttonin the software doesn’t work for me. I’ve tried reinstalling it, but it doesn’t seems to be of any help. Please can you help me?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

no i cannot help with that, sorry. try korg support or their forums!

[@mmmusicstory]

@@WoodyPianoShack Thanks!

[@artakha14]

Hey, I setup this VST in Reaper and when I'm tryng to get it to play a midi track imported from a differernt editor, it doesn't make a sound (although the keys in the UI are being pressed). However, when I manually input notes in Reaper's own midi editor, Triton plays them. Does anyone one how to solve this?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

strange, something tells me your midi file is playing the triton on the wrong midi channel? can you play it from midi keyboard? have you enabled monitoring on that track?

[@artakha14]

@@WoodyPianoShack yes, I can play it with midi keyboard and I can playback any midi notes created in Reaper's own midi editor, but not the files I import from Sibelius. As for channels, I think I put everything on omni mode. Other VSTs have no problem playing the same files without any setting changes.

[@6581punk]

4:33 Man, now I know we're in trouble...

[@6581punk]

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[@Mike__G]

Most hardware synths nowadays are specialized computers anyway.

[@Jake5577]

I wish we could hear the software without the L2 limiter. That changes the sound. :-( Were they both going through the L2? Ugh.

[@WoodyPianoShack]

all my uploads go through L2, always! but don't worry, it's just there to catch any occasional and rare peaks, most of the time doing nothing and it's very transparent.

[@harkerroland9750]

I have triton Le version, it was a great keyboard... i really want krome maybe kronos, but i prefer sound source from midi controller it more sound source and more fun than triton... and i already try and play this VST, its a good soft syntg

[@kiko1935]

Do not get krome. I returned it within a week. Cheap build and the sounds are straight of 2002

[@nickkablokje]

TIP: I bought a cheap Korg Micro-X, build quallity is not so great but if you want to play around with the triton sounds...not bad at all..

[@WoodyPianoShack]

great tip, let's not overlook the taktile either.

[@JSoulKeys]

I have the triton extreme and this so called plugin defiantly doesn't have all the korg triton sounds, as there are countless sounds from my triton extreme that are not in the plugin

[@TheVideogamemaster9]

I was gonna say the same thing, my Triton Extreme is full of Prog and Combi patches that aren't anywhere in the plugin, which is why I'm fine with having both

[@JSoulKeys]

@@TheVideogamemaster9 yeah same man. It's actually perfect for when you are on the go. For me, it was a dream to use it whilst on a 12 hour flight! Ha having the triton power at your fingertips, literally! All in all, it is a great plugin

[@projectgoatse]

This is an actual plugin. There’s nothing “so called” about it. Secondly, the Triton Extreme is like the fourth hardware iteration of the original that came out several years after the original Triton. This is emulating the release version of the Triton. Your complaint is like going into a car dealership and whining that you didn’t get the sports upgrade when you paid for the basic version.

[@JSoulKeys]

@@projectgoatse You are correct

[@drthorpe8602]

hello mate - does the kork triton extreme have all the sounds from the triton?

[@angthekeys621]

Software version it’s maybe very useful for midi recording sessions

[@vpetroi3]

Hardware is way more define and bassyyy

[@solar_genesis]

The software really struggles in the low end.

[@solar_genesis]

It’s actually causing me anxiety how bad the vst compares to all but one patch on the hardware.

[@dylandoge1627]

Both are romplers. I prefer the plugin because it’s more clean.

[@damondrobinson3313]

I don't think they're that close tone wise, and it's not down to EQ differences . The keyboard sounds more open, airy and nuanced, more 3D like and you can hear the layers of the tone, the VST is closed in and much more flat sounding with the frequencies bunched up sounding shrill . OK I'm being slightly dramatic but this is where every damn VST clone always fails for me, not at all in the basic sound of the patch (that's exact / spot on !) it's the body of the sound that's always wrong ! I love software BTW, Omnisphere, Hive etc are amazing but these clones never sound as good. Thanks for the demo Woody and sorry to be negative :(

[@АлексейВискалов-и6х]

KORG TRITON Hardware = much BETTER!!!

[@colbywalsh4610]

There was no phantom of tine...

[@stanleyassor3172]

hardware is thicker, beefier and more pleasant

[@afprojects]

I have the plugin witch I like a lot, but I also have the Korg M3 and the sound is better than the Triton plugin.

[@WoodyPianoShack]

that sure looks like an incredible board, must get my hands on one someday

[@drthorpe8602]

hello mate - does the korg m3 have all the sounds of the Triton?

[@afprojects]

@@drthorpe8602 some of the sounds, yes with the same name also, but it has tons of new sounds, and it's an amazing controller also

[@psy-lion]

250 Euros? Nah dude...

[@WoodyPianoShack]

let's hope for a sale, they usually offer their plugs at 50% time to time

[@pauloyoshizaki2103]

KORG : TRITON :Hardeware ; Software ; Hoje : instruments Musicais é : igual computador Tem Programas : Ritmos : Sons !!! Digitais do que você Quer ??? Tudo Digitais ???? Os Gráficos !!! ; Parameter : Etc !!! .Gostei !!!! 👍🏻😄👍🏻😊👍🏻😄👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@DaraM73]

I’ll watch this later, perhaps at High Noon?

[@WoodyPianoShack]

haha, i like that one!

[@moshethehebrew8328]

I just can't believe how screwed up a simple simple simple test by over complicating the hell out of it. A simple note for note chord for chord comparison that's it. I left confused as to what the goal was I had to reread the title

[@WoodyPianoShack]

i promise you, that 99.9% of viewers would have abandoned the video after the first 3 notes, if I had followed your suggestion :D

[@ET2carbon]

It's just too close to have that big ass thing

[@PaulLeHat]

Have you tried any of the Korg emulators from Full Bucket Music? www.fullbucket.de

[@lefterismatapasmusic]

Bass and treble frequencies are missing from VST. I vote for HW. Also the VST sounds boring.