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WoolieVersus

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@TheBravery767
@TheBravery767 2 жыл бұрын
Woolie's controller battery literally exploding during Halo 2 makes a lot more sense in the context that he's been strangling his controllers to master combo's.
@rw8160
@rw8160 2 жыл бұрын
For anyone planning on playing or replaying kid icarus uprising, I'd recommend the left-handed layout. It's weird to get used to at first, but it's way easier on your wrists.
@mr.midnight1683
@mr.midnight1683 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning! I play that game on a 2ds for 3 minutes and my wrist wants to explode trying to touch the shoulder buttons.
@Densoro
@Densoro 2 жыл бұрын
It's also 1000% more playable if you just put your stylus away and use your thumb for the touchscreen. That's how I survived every version of the DS. Feels no different than taking your thumb off the face buttons to use the right thumbstick on PS2. Shoot on your preferred trigger. Then I put all my powers on the ABXY buttons instead of having to gamer-claw the D-pad. Bam. Able to run, aim, and shoot all at once, or let go of the camera briefly to fire off a power.
@TimeWanderer
@TimeWanderer 2 жыл бұрын
Pat goes directly from a discussion on design empathy talking about his frustration with the Vita's back panel causing him to hit buttons he doesn't mean to hit, to an extended bit where he just says, "just don't hit the button, tho!"
@evendrag6302
@evendrag6302 2 жыл бұрын
Having held a vita, its different when its entire back is a touchpad mapped as a button
@Nunyo-Bizznez
@Nunyo-Bizznez 2 жыл бұрын
classic Crazy Talk
@TimeWanderer
@TimeWanderer 2 жыл бұрын
@@evendrag6302 I don't even disagree with him about the Vita - that back touchpad has caused many a wrist cramp because you're not allowed to touch 80% of the back of the console - it's one of the reasons I actually bought a PSTV back in the day. I'm just saying he goes from complaining about a design choice causing you to hit buttons you don't mean to, to listening to Woolie describe a design choice causing him to hit buttons he doesn't mean to, and responding with "well just don't hit the button, then." I know it's a bit and I'm not taking it serious or anything, but I feel Woolie's energy when he resigns himself to "Yeah, okay, Pat's doing THAT THING again."
@jaggidfire
@jaggidfire 2 жыл бұрын
He's right in both regards
@digitalpimp9696
@digitalpimp9696 2 жыл бұрын
Nah, I'll stand with Pat on this. While the Vita's back panel was an innovative way to add more controls to its small real estate, it came at a massive cost to ergonomics as you are now forced to hold it from the edges which comes out maybe an inch away from the back plate on both sides. So if you were to have experience with literally any other handheld it makes sense that you might have some gripes about having to learn how to hold the vita like you're L reading braille. Which is why those controller prongs exist so that you can basically turn your vita into a dualshock 3.5. And Pat is right to tell Woolie to "just don't hit the button, tho." L3 and R3 have been the standard on controllers for over 20 years at this point.
@ClasticOne
@ClasticOne 2 жыл бұрын
Buying a back button was a game changer for Souls games. Being able to sprint/dodge while controlling the free camera is something I can't go back from.
@TerasOde
@TerasOde 2 жыл бұрын
Same. I've always tried to map as many movement options and consumables to the back paddles on my old Elite just so I can control the camera at the same time as I multitask using heals, grenades etc. Basically the same reason why I've always put this type of stuff on the extra keys on my mouse when I'm on pc, but with I feel like being able to multitask effectively is even more important when I'm on a controller.
@GabeSweetMan
@GabeSweetMan 2 жыл бұрын
The adjustment period is literally hours if not a few dozen minutes to acclimate. Absolutely worth making the switch to FINALLY be able to do both without having to use Tekken Crab hands.
@sageky
@sageky 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I just recently found out about that by accident. Great button, I just need my brain to recognize it in clutch situations.
@111cvb111
@111cvb111 2 жыл бұрын
Could be useful; I use my index finger to sprint in those situations when I need it, but I have my hand horizontal instead of vertical... I might actually hold that side like a fight stick actually, but not sure since I don't use one.
@Blagno4
@Blagno4 2 жыл бұрын
Just claw your right hand
@FeenieVonKarma
@FeenieVonKarma 2 жыл бұрын
my 61yr old mama gamer, with rheumatoid arthritis AND osteoarthritis in her hands, has entered the chat (usually she plays animal crossing but she has in fact obtained a platinum trophy on Rez Infinite, wtf)
@WTFisTingispingis
@WTFisTingispingis 2 жыл бұрын
Your mama sounds amazing.
@kaizerdeath12
@kaizerdeath12 2 жыл бұрын
Well in the software version of absolute lack of empathy, Harada is the fucking champion for "Japanese First!" netcode
@MegaJackolope
@MegaJackolope 4 ай бұрын
MvC collection just came out, I'm a new watcher who got into fighting games more over the past few years and bought sticks and leverless controllers now. I have no idea how I was doing some of the stuff I did on MvC2 on 360 with a 360 controller. I was switching between d-pad and left analogue inputs to do different special moves with akuma and stuff. I have the old gamer hands now. Also I used to play MvC2 after high school for like 45 min every day, it's been 13 years lmao.
@Velkin999
@Velkin999 2 жыл бұрын
I've played games with my dad in his 70s and he has the same problem as Woolie clicking the sticks. It's definitely a hand thing and all I can say is don't push the sticks, just move them in the direction you want them to go.
@Jact01
@Jact01 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely understand where Woolie's coming from regarding accidentally pushing in the sticks. I can't tell you how many times I've blasted the horn or rocket boosted into the side of the wall, trying to hard turn while driving in GTA online.
@wireydave
@wireydave 2 жыл бұрын
Pat with a lack of empathy with accidental L3 Clicks.
@shikileaks
@shikileaks 2 жыл бұрын
Woolie has a surprising lack of button discipline for a fighting game player. Maybe it's just me, but fighting games hard conditioned me to very delicate and precise with my inputs and to stop death-gripping my controller
@PlamoTherapy
@PlamoTherapy 2 жыл бұрын
Just watch the Onimusha playthrough. Woolie has a DEATHGRIP. You can hear the plastic flexing in the audio, and he presses the thumbstick so much the map is brought up mid-boss fight.
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski 2 жыл бұрын
he uses a fighting stick. fighting sticks are fun because you dont have to parse the speed/power dynamic, you can doom finger every input for the sake of speed, even the directional inputs if you have the right stick. you have to be more precise with a controller. i used to be pretty good at vf5 online with an xbox 360 controller but i have big hands and my hands would cramp up really hard after a minute. when i tried a fighting stick it got rid of that and, although it requires more bodily effort, i could play infinite matches. I've reverted back to a Sega Saturn controller for fighting games now because a fightstick is too cumbersome and I'm not that serious about fighting games anymore
@shikileaks
@shikileaks 2 жыл бұрын
@@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski i have used both pad and stick in my life and it still makes no sense to me
@seraphiim444
@seraphiim444 2 жыл бұрын
@@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski woolie uses pad for fgs ALL the time
@iller3
@iller3 2 жыл бұрын
This is where ya'll need that weird custom variant of the razer "Tartarus" that Plague of Gripes made a shiddy Sketch of a month ago. That design just screamed _"Souls game with too many inputs"._
@I3rigand
@I3rigand 2 жыл бұрын
It is very funny to see a discussion about empathy in game design dissolve into a complete lack of ability to empathize with someone else's difficulties with a game design that one does not themselves share. Pat, and many commenters saying "I don't have this problem, so I don't get it, just don't do it" in the context of that discussion is just *chef's kiss* perfection. Comedic perfection.
@SevenIsaCannibal7
@SevenIsaCannibal7 2 жыл бұрын
Someone find a clip of Pat accidentally crouching in a boss fight and getting him killed
@lawthirtyfour2953
@lawthirtyfour2953 2 жыл бұрын
it's time to enter the age of foot paddles and 6 face buttons.
@MrLCGO
@MrLCGO 2 жыл бұрын
We need a better designed Duke controller
@nackskott12
@nackskott12 2 жыл бұрын
I want to play every game with the Steel Battalion controller and a guitar pedalboard for full range of control.
@lawthirtyfour2953
@lawthirtyfour2953 2 жыл бұрын
@@nackskott12 don't let your dreams be dreams
@Valanway
@Valanway 2 жыл бұрын
Controllers should have added paddles and extra face buttons 2 generations ago. Think about how many console games, and pc ports that were held back by the lack of controls or options. I'm honestly confused and slightly appalled as to why this generation still hasn't moved to 16+ given how popular and sought-after Elite controllers are.
@ItsDatCajunStuff
@ItsDatCajunStuff 2 жыл бұрын
Gives me PTSD from my PSP days of Monster Hunter. Felt like I was doing Vader's force choke gesture for hours.
@mimictear6788
@mimictear6788 2 жыл бұрын
"I grip the controller like it's the one thing stopping me from falling to my death. Clearly it's a design issue"
@_Sage967_
@_Sage967_ 2 жыл бұрын
Woolie's mashing the analog stick problem is like controlling stick movements in games like smash, tilts and shit are really important but a lot of people just move the stick all the way subconsciously assuming it'll tilt but instead it smashes which is... sub-optimal
@Amirifiz
@Amirifiz 2 жыл бұрын
All my friends changed the c-stick to being their tilts for that exact reason. I main Little Mac so random smash attacks aren't too bad, but whenever I play someone else its bad bad. Probably dosent help that the joycons were super responsive and the pro controller feels like I have to move the stick a bit furter just to get a tilt out or even walk and not run.
@Chichon96
@Chichon96 2 жыл бұрын
I've mostly only had this problem with shooters. In the middle of a heated battle (as a newer player) you often panick and loose control of how much pressure you're putting on L3. Now it rarely happens to me because I deal with those situations better.
@jqweeaboo
@jqweeaboo 2 жыл бұрын
Aaaah the age of the reverse controller grip to optimally play Armored Core online Takes me back 🤣😭
@bluefoxtv1566
@bluefoxtv1566 2 жыл бұрын
Clicking the thumb stick is something i do from time to time. But only on certain controllers because there is not enough spring pressure and it to easy to push in.
@SoaringLettuce
@SoaringLettuce 2 жыл бұрын
This feels like the "share button" ordeal where they kept pressing it when they meant to press "select", even though "select" was never in the place the "share button" is in.
@turkish8969
@turkish8969 2 жыл бұрын
That problem is so much worse when you relise PC games use the share button as select, and the touchpad is only used as buttons half the time
@ricardomiles2957
@ricardomiles2957 2 жыл бұрын
Now that's a classic. For me tha moment is only beaten by "people play gmod?"
@Marklar3
@Marklar3 2 жыл бұрын
If you're gripping the controller hard enough to accidentally click L3, you seriously need to loosen your grip, because tension in your hands makes you more prone to RSI.
@ricardomiles2957
@ricardomiles2957 2 жыл бұрын
Tell that to fucking Sony, I don't know what the hell they did with the DS4 but I got wrist pain after 4 DAYS of use. Mind you I've been playing PS1/2/3 for years and the worst I've felt was fatigue but that because I was sitting through MGSV for 12 hours straight.
@matrix3509
@matrix3509 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, its REALLY not that easy when you are in the middle of a tense boss fight, and you tighten your grip subconsciously in high stress situations. I died shit loads of times in Elden Ring, but not because the game is some massive step up in difficulty. The vast majority of my deaths in Elden Ring happened because I accidentally clicked the stick in while trying to quickly change movement direction. Developers used to be able to take this into account by not putting play-ruining actions on the L3 and R3 inputs. I've been playing games for 30 years and it only started becoming an issue this console generation.
@regularspecial1
@regularspecial1 2 жыл бұрын
@@matrix3509 i disagree with it being recent. i've been honking my horn accidently on GTA and shit forever
@dungusyungus245s
@dungusyungus245s 2 жыл бұрын
My first experience with the claw would be my many attempts at trying to style on Virgil super hard.
@ricardomiles2957
@ricardomiles2957 2 жыл бұрын
I refuse to claw, my hands aren't that flexible to not make it the most miserable experience possible
@TheOrangeBanjo
@TheOrangeBanjo 2 жыл бұрын
I actually never had a problem with Kid Icarus Uprising’s controls! Even with the larger and heavier design of the 3DS XL models, I found the stylus and circle pad combo to be very precise and easy to use.
@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena
@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena 2 жыл бұрын
Today we once again learn that erogonomics are a medical grade science and that precision is a skill, not innate to human movement.
@TrashTawk
@TrashTawk 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure if my hands were as tiny as Pat's, I wouldn't be able to push buttons on accident either
@alexhernandez1216
@alexhernandez1216 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely understand the L3 issue, i do it so much in fighting games with the record and play function i always have to change L3 to play instead of record cuz ill always fuck up my practice.
@SonplaysMinEcraft
@SonplaysMinEcraft 2 жыл бұрын
Megaman X had this problem until Zero figured out how to dash with the L button
@KaedeLanyo
@KaedeLanyo 2 жыл бұрын
I know Pat is like 80% just being a gremlin trying to egg-on Woolie, but... Accidental stick clicks really are so annoying. I've found that the controller type makes a world of difference, for me. Much *_MUCH_* prefer ones with "tough" sticks to push, just so it doesn't accidentally happen.
@Szriko
@Szriko 2 жыл бұрын
i have never once pushed l3/r3 accidentally, what the fuck is wrong with you people
@kingofbel6499
@kingofbel6499 2 жыл бұрын
I legit never had issues with Kid Icarus controls. Maybe because I had a 3DS XL which is bigger than the original version, but yeah the game was great and I played it for like 50h with no wrist problems. In fact I think it's one of the best action games Nintendo has ever made.
@rensato5027
@rensato5027 2 жыл бұрын
It seems that fighting games taught Woolie wrong to our amusement and/or frustration.
@Ozymandias42
@Ozymandias42 2 жыл бұрын
We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke
@HumphreyHorsehead
@HumphreyHorsehead 2 жыл бұрын
Ever notice that doing the claw makes you furl your finger? Elden Ring.
@kirbyfanprime
@kirbyfanprime 2 жыл бұрын
Fighting games once again are the reason Woolie can't enjoy other genres. The programing is so deep, he can't even comprehend doing the stick doucemont.
@moscrow3247
@moscrow3247 2 жыл бұрын
6:01 This. Also I am afraid for my sanity whenever I agree with Pat.
@alephnole7009
@alephnole7009 2 жыл бұрын
I had the problem when I played Sekiro for the first time right after beating DMC5. And my muscle memory kept making me jump and try to avoid damage by jumping over enemies, then getting wrecked by auto tracking attacks that can go vertical
@PunishedGayMelGibson
@PunishedGayMelGibson 2 жыл бұрын
CLAW GRIP REQUIRED AHEAD. THEREFORE, PRAISE THE BEAUTIFUL VIEW
@kratosaurion9041
@kratosaurion9041 2 жыл бұрын
I can understand not liking having to use the claw, but I can't help but love using it. It just feels better to me, even when I don't have to use it
@firestormingfox4169
@firestormingfox4169 2 жыл бұрын
In the end it's more optimal to move the left pointer to the d-pad rather than your thumb. For me maintaining a claw position is awkward and straining, but a quick grip switch for an input I need to to isn't bad at all.
@starfire4302
@starfire4302 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve gotten used to it for Souls games, sprinting and rolling while moving the camera. It’s trying to play Tekken on a pad that destroys my hand, trying to claw to do those technical combos. I can’t do it anymore
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski
@JozefLucifugeKorzeniowski 2 жыл бұрын
When L3 and R3 1st started to become vital functions in a game it took a minute for me to get used to it but it's obviously doable. I think because woolie uses a stick for fighting games his fingers might be too used to striking buttons with speed and power and you've got to be gentle and dextrous with the right and left analog sticks. That being said fighting stick is the unmatched way to play certain fighting games, if you play if you've tried marvel vs Capcom 2 with a controller you know what I mean.
@_Sage967_
@_Sage967_ 2 жыл бұрын
that and to my knowledge most of the games he plays dont have important L3 functions. some games make you crouch with it but if you're doing most other things it simply wont work
@FluffyWuffy17
@FluffyWuffy17 2 жыл бұрын
I hate L3/E3 usage. I have usage issues with my thumbs and constantly having to pretty l3 to sprint quickly causes it to hurt badly forcing me to stop.
@UnlimitedBick
@UnlimitedBick 2 жыл бұрын
@@_Sage967_ This is what no Call of Duty does to a mf
@MagicalManFromMars
@MagicalManFromMars 2 жыл бұрын
More than anything when riding Torrent, half the time I immediately dismount because my brain keeps saying "okay click in the stick to sprint", no brain, that's what the sprint button is for, just like when you're not on the horse. It's been 35 hours, I don't know why it still happens every single time I play.
@justrenderin1279
@justrenderin1279 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly blame Monster Hunter for forcing me to adapt to their weird 1 analog camera bullshit and adopting the Claw method. Because I never noticed it, but when I'm playing Elden Ring, I'm Clawing everywhere and I have to reflect... Was I manipulated for the past 15 years by constantly playing Monster Hunter? Clearly, Yes
@sylverlune
@sylverlune 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the same both. My first MH was MHF2 and my fate was decided that day.
@AzureAiluren
@AzureAiluren 2 жыл бұрын
@@sylverlune ah, brother. It is good see another one born of the PSP.
@madneko2752
@madneko2752 2 жыл бұрын
I also had this problem with elden ring. Had to remap L3 to a less damaging button.
@Kujaguy
@Kujaguy 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, I'm glad someone else finally brought up the accidental crouching thing that I've been doing repeatedly in Elden Ring. I can usually play around it since it hasn't gotten me killed yet, but it's definitely gotten me in some bad situations so far.
@darklordliam
@darklordliam 2 жыл бұрын
When the gacha games have you playing every single day for minimum 6 hours to get that rare limited time only currency to upgrade a png of a waifu to 6 stars so she can say the unique voice line “I love you, [insert name here]” No negative side effects on people’s social lives here!
@Sercotani
@Sercotani 2 жыл бұрын
I feel personally attacked. But none of the gacha I play take 6 hour dailies, and most of them have dead periods where I'm done with a gacha after a big patch. There are gachas that are healthier than others, but I won't deny all gachas suck up your free time even if you don't spend any money. _help me_
@DKZK21
@DKZK21 2 жыл бұрын
First I ever heard of people accidentally clicking the thumbstick. Hard to imagine how rough you gotta be with your controller movements for this to be a constant issue.
@slapshackable
@slapshackable 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I’ve literally never had this issue. Been gaming my whole life, I’m 24. Idk wtf kind of thing woolie has in regards to controllers
@ricardomiles2957
@ricardomiles2957 2 жыл бұрын
I used to have this problem back in the ps2 days, but for me it was because I was playing multiple games that used L3 and specoi used to click it while running/walking so it became automatic for a time
@FrozenOver0
@FrozenOver0 2 жыл бұрын
I have the reverse issue, where, after years of playing PS1, Dreamcast, Gamecube, and PS2 games that didn't require L3/R3, every time I try now, I get a voice in the back of my head going "WHAT ARE YOU DOING? DON'T PRESS DOWN ON THE THUMBSTICK LIKE THAT YOU'RE GONNA BREAK THE THING."
@TheEFoy11
@TheEFoy11 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have this issue with one exception, and that’s with racing sims. I don’t know what it is, but when trying to make tight corners in those games, my body contorts in ways as if I’m trying to just will the car in a certain direction, and a side effect I’ve noticed of this is that I’m moving the analogue stick hard enough to be pushing L3 which make the lights flash. So for me at the very least it’s a stress thing I think, but it’s super rare that I’m actually exerting that much force on a pad
@Revan058
@Revan058 2 жыл бұрын
Woolie the Deathgrip.
@skylarchambers4352
@skylarchambers4352 2 жыл бұрын
When I'm playing Ivy in SCVI I'll drop down to the joystick real quick for a summon suffering/calamity symphony input. Way easier that way.
@QMMarc
@QMMarc 2 жыл бұрын
Some people just have a stronger grip, it's weird cause, its hard to explain, i'm an artist right? I don't have to hold the pen as hard as i end up doing which causes me pain, but something in my brain grips it hard for some reason, so i can kinda get what woolie's saying, its not something you have control over, its just that if you're doing a certain thing for some reason you're brain's like ''yo hold that thing hard!''. Just happy it don't happen when i'm peein'.
@cheezdoodle96
@cheezdoodle96 2 жыл бұрын
I've never understood people unable to turn in GTA without honking (both my brothers honked non-stop while I barely managed to turn when I tried honking at the same time once), but by God, I hold my pen so hard when writing that my hand hurts for like the rest of the day. Back in elementary school I wrote so hard with my pencil that I was barely able to erase the words, while everyone around me had writing so light you could barely make it out, lol. At least my handwriting's always looked good, so I've got that going for me. Yesterday I actually found myself switching weapons in Elden Ring as I was switching to my Cerulean Flask. I think I also changed my sorceries around by accident once...
@StriderWolf
@StriderWolf 2 жыл бұрын
oh man Woolie being able to bend his thumb so far back really makes me feel uneasy lol it looks broken. my thumb cant even bend half as far as that.
@IBleedTeal114
@IBleedTeal114 2 жыл бұрын
Check out “hitchhiker’s thumb”. It’s likely a genetic thing and apparently shows up in like 1/4 - 1/3 of the US population
@cheezdoodle96
@cheezdoodle96 2 жыл бұрын
@@IBleedTeal114 Dude, if a hitchhiker came up to me with a thumb like that I'd yeet outta there so fast he'd become a _Creepshow_ monster.
@FloofyOneTorpheus
@FloofyOneTorpheus 2 жыл бұрын
The Claw is a dumb concept. Cuz I learned the bottom joints on my thumb actually are a part of my palms. Helps with pretzel motions on the controller, as I use the side of my thumb to move analog stick WHILE pressing directional pad. It confuses my friends who use the arcade box things(Idk the proper name) cuz I'm basically doin the same thing on a controller and it helps avoid carpal tunnel
@unboundsky9999
@unboundsky9999 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand how Woolie doesn’t break all his controllers if he’s consistently pushing his Analogue Stick so hard that it accidentally clicks in.
@syrushbluhr
@syrushbluhr 2 жыл бұрын
Ok, so a few things about this. Lately i always praise games that let me remapped the buttons. Why? Because games like dark souls ask for me to relay on running holding a button and prefer to have that button on X / square / Y so a can rest my thumbs without gripping my hand all the way to the right. Maybe my hand got screw from others things on my daily life, but it works. The same playing things like megaman x games or apex legends, where a prefer have my jump and dash / crouch buttons in a line of \ so my thumb can press them at the same time without losing momemtun or get interrupted in the middle of the action. The thing with pressing the stick by accident, specially the right stick where the camara functions normally are, is frustrating to activate some animation you dont want (specially if you want to handle weapons recoil in apex) , so i prefer to disable it unless its a mandatory function that is used frequently. When pat says, "just dont pushed it", i will be shocked if he mastered that bullshit XD
@WTFisTingispingis
@WTFisTingispingis 2 жыл бұрын
I still think the N64 controller should've gotten Nintendo sued.
@VTown1989
@VTown1989 2 жыл бұрын
Switching to two handing a weapon in Elden Ring mid-battle feels like trying to do "just frames" in a fighting game. I really gotta hit the lab and work on my execution.
@Spec0psGrunt
@Spec0psGrunt 2 жыл бұрын
Is Woolie trying to keep the pad of his Thumb in the dish part of the stick all of the time or pushing the sides of the stick with the thumb? Try pushing with the sides its a lot nicer for finer aiming and not pressing L/R3.
@brandonhowe5017
@brandonhowe5017 2 жыл бұрын
I've about had it with the PS4 controller. My hands feature long-ish, skinny fingers, which don't fit too well on the dualshock which shrank from the previous generation. On top of that, the touchpad is so sensitive and so close to the analog sticks that the tip of my left thumb will often graze the corner of the touchpad so lightly I literally won't feel the contact myself, but the controller will decide "swipe" and put me into an unpaused menu during a fight. Then an overwhelming majority of the time I try to use the touchpad for cursor control it feels janky, and it won't register half the time I intentionally try to use a swipe to open a menu. Having more buttons and controls is a neat concept and all, but imagine if all of the center console controls in your car were built into the driver seat - shit's all there but the moment you move your foot from gas to brake, your thigh is activating your emergency lights and swapping between am/fm radio. This needs to stop. Make controllers ergonomic again. Edit: My memory was distorted, please ignore my perception of the PS4 controller being smaller. It was pointed out to me by a friend, however, that the PS4's analog sticks have a notably smaller travel range than on the PS3, a smaller physical radius at which the stick stops, leading to worse control fidelity. I think this may have been what was tricking my perception, but also why I've been struggling so much more regardless of sensitivity settings (aside from probably not being in my prime anymore).
@brandonhowe5017
@brandonhowe5017 2 жыл бұрын
@@nyarancia Welp, my mistake. I haven't been on the thing since middle school - high school so it's been a hot minute. Maybe it was just my own physical growth, maybe it was the different contours, but yeah, the PS4 does have longer grips. I still despise the touchpad for being in the way. It could also feel cramped to me because there's a bad angle/position restricting me from holding it in the most natural way. Either way, you were correct in catching me on that.
@CrimsonContrast
@CrimsonContrast 2 жыл бұрын
What I do is change dash to L2 so I don't have to use claw hands. Running with circle always felt weird to me
@2thre3
@2thre3 2 жыл бұрын
Actually the biggest fan of back buttons - I think it needs to be an industry standard.
@oriondezagrats4228
@oriondezagrats4228 2 жыл бұрын
I swear, Pat talked about balancing on the pinky and I LITERALLY just pulled out my OG 3DS to hold it like I used to for Kid Icarus: Uprising. Balance it on your pinky? The corner of the thing, and thus the majority of the weight from the right half, rests on the corner of your palm out from which your pinky extends, and the tip of the pinky itself rests right in the centre underneath, not for balancing, but for pivoting -- again, the weight is on a chunk of your actual palm. Furthermore, your ring finger curls around the R which doesn't actually get used in Uprising and supports the middle of the back of the top screen. I keep hearing stories about how this game gave people hand or wrist cramps and my hands INSTINCTUALLY MOVE INTO THE MOST COMFORTABLE SHAPE FOR HOLDING THIS WITHOUT STRAIN and I just cannot find the power in my soul to believe that they were not either somehow holding it horribly wrong, or have actual toddler-sized hands. For frick's sake I used this exact holding style to hold the OG NINTENDO DS for Metroid Prime: Hunters, and that was WAY chonkier than the first 3DS. I had hundreds of hours in both of these games and never suffered anything even remotely resembling a strain in either of my wrists. I sometimes had to put the thing down for a bit because my hands/arms were tired, but that happens with literally every controller ever. My hands aren't even big. Many people point to KI:U's inclusion of a stand as somehow being proof that it's got awful controls, but I never once used that seriously for that game -- rather, to the contrary, I actually found that attempting to use the stand made the game considerably less comfortable than resting it on a desk or leaning back and resting it on my abdomen. And you know what? I found the globe-spinning function to actually be a NATURAL EVOLUTION and DIRECT IMPROVEMENT OVER of the FPS crosshair control that Metroid Prime: Hunters used.
@Ultimaniacx4
@Ultimaniacx4 2 жыл бұрын
I was accidentally clicking the stick when moving too. Then I realized I was doing it and made an effort to stop. Now I stopped doing it. Woolie's never going to fix it because he's already convinced himself that he can't and would rather have the controls fix it than train out his bad habit. He needs to relax his hands. It's also why he's mashing the drink button and downing all his Crimson Tears at once. He's got a death grip on the controller and he's mashing the buttons when things get heated. It's like when a kid leans in their seat to turn better.
@Brave_SJ
@Brave_SJ 2 жыл бұрын
But leaning in your seat does make you turn better
@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo
@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo 2 жыл бұрын
My best mate does this all the time with Elden ring and it's infuriating he'll get off an 8 hour shift jump online just suck because he's tired and blame the controls like how apparently block RT is broken and doesn't work I can do it at will but he's convinced it's input trouble not a simple case of you pressed the wrong fucking thing dude.. I leave him to it though he's a passive aggressive bitch when he's tired.
@SceptileDude254
@SceptileDude254 2 жыл бұрын
Or like gripping your pencil harder to make a "steadier" line. Or brushing your teeth with more pressure to get them cleaner. Lighter touch gets the job done just as well.
@SoaringLettuce
@SoaringLettuce 2 жыл бұрын
I'm currently playing a flight combat game called Sky Rogue, where the controls are different from what I'm used to from hundreds of hours with Ace Combat games, so my muscle memory is betraying me, but fuck, I'm never gonna blame it on the controls and not on me being stupid.
@cybergeek11235
@cybergeek11235 2 жыл бұрын
> It's like when a kid leans in their seat to turn better. hey fuck you that WORKS dammit
@BlueKaiTheEnd-
@BlueKaiTheEnd- 2 жыл бұрын
13:40, I play my fighting games on PS5 pad and Touch-pad reset needs to be disabled...So many potential discoveries and trials have ended from that accidental reset 😒
@ItsYaBoyYogi
@ItsYaBoyYogi 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t even know you could dismount torrent by clicking a stick lol
@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo
@WhatwouldRoddyPiperdo 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with the claw I'm 40 born with arthritis in all joints so my hands are fucked I can manage Souls games but stuff like the combat in guardians of the galaxy I actually had to quit that game it just wanted way too many prompts during combat asking for like 4 different things at once whilst moving your own character, shooting,jetpacking just too much.
@alexanderjamesaustin
@alexanderjamesaustin 2 жыл бұрын
man the PlayStation really just nailed it the first try, each generation they only add buttons that don't create 'claw' moments
@J_Themborn
@J_Themborn 2 жыл бұрын
Ever played the Infamous games on PS3? The Move controller for 2 was such a qol feature The back button accessory for PS4 controllers was real helpful to
@shinvaX
@shinvaX 2 жыл бұрын
Had to disable the L3 button in Elden Ring giving how many times I got screwed over from crouching while running. Also gave up playing Starfox command on Ds because of how the controller handles.
@Dirtyboots3strikes
@Dirtyboots3strikes 2 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail fucking freaked me out. Dear God, that's a nasty way to hold a controller
@bahskintimulholde6191
@bahskintimulholde6191 2 жыл бұрын
Woolie, a man of nuance and depth: I think lack of empathy in design shows up in hardware whenever the game forces you to do THE CLAW. Whenever a game requires you to continue to manipulate the stick, while pressing the d-pad, while continuing to press buttons on the other side of the controller as well. Me, a rage-fueled intellectual: *FUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUU ASURA'S WRAAAAAAAAATH!!!!* (I love Asura's Wrath, but holy fuck does it hatefuck you with button mashing.)
@mika9578
@mika9578 2 жыл бұрын
THE TRUE REASON FOR MY WRATH
@realbattleonfilm8299
@realbattleonfilm8299 2 жыл бұрын
dmc claw is a whole other level of madness. every finger but the pinkies get worked for maximum input and style switching.
@tank19768
@tank19768 2 жыл бұрын
Really that's a button mapping problem, not a hardware problem. Too many developers are afraid to put their button maps in unconventional places, or just put them in the conventional places out of habit rather than considering how they'll actually be used. Honestly since dual analogue sticks became a thing, your shoulder buttons should've become the main buttons with the face buttons being resigned to stuff you shouldn't need to do while/directly before and after moving your character or the camera.
@AzureAiluren
@AzureAiluren 2 жыл бұрын
Bah, you child. You’ve never experience True Claw Hours, or else you’d be talking about something else entirely…
@_Snowflame
@_Snowflame 2 жыл бұрын
I get issues where my hands tense up and make me click the sticks sometimes. But if I had those UltaDavid-looking thumbs it would probably be happening to me a lot more frequently.
@angelon3637
@angelon3637 2 жыл бұрын
I have fat fuck fingers and can press both by sliding my thumb closer to the other button.
@Nunyo-Bizznez
@Nunyo-Bizznez 2 жыл бұрын
Ive been saying for years that controllers need to come in multiple sizes
@PlamoTherapy
@PlamoTherapy 2 жыл бұрын
What I really don't like is the L3 to sprint. It always feels like I'm gouging someone's eye out.
@thelegalsystem
@thelegalsystem 2 жыл бұрын
Pat simply cannot understand the plight with his tiny baby hands. As someone who also has Big Hands, puny controllers creak and strain under my grip without even trying. I understand the pain, Woolie. Pat's baby hands just can't compare.
@clanmclaren6647
@clanmclaren6647 2 жыл бұрын
Agree’d, third party cheap controllers from online are the worst cause they just disintegrate at the smallest pressure. Its also why I never vibed with the ps2 controller, it feels too tiny in my adult hands. Meanwhile people say the Duke was too big and it fits in my hands fine.
@fable23
@fable23 2 жыл бұрын
Every time Pat tells Woolie to just not press the button, Woolie should just tell Pat to be taller.
@bej4987
@bej4987 2 жыл бұрын
The dragon booster Ds game was not made with human hands in mind
@kapkant6197
@kapkant6197 2 жыл бұрын
When I started playing Call of Duty Black Ops 3 on PC I put shoot, aim down sight, slide, switch weapon and melee all on the mouse because I knew from experience I needed all those to be accessible for my cracked out play style. Otherwise my hands never would've survived on PC without incident
@matthewschoen9827
@matthewschoen9827 2 жыл бұрын
I could be woolies right stick has actually been worn down from lots of fighting game inputs and is more liable to false clicks in the stick as a result. I'm curoius if he would have the same issue on a fresh controller.
@dp-2win95
@dp-2win95 2 жыл бұрын
With Elden Ring, I prefer playing with an Xbox controller cause the D-pad is right below the left stick; therefore, is closer to my right thumb, so I can use my R thumb to switch out items while simultaneously still moving around the left stick with my left thumb. I can't do that with the ps4 controller since the D-pad is at the far left on the controller.
@ShadowfireReality
@ShadowfireReality 2 жыл бұрын
Tekken fingers belong in Tekken
@serdash6548
@serdash6548 2 жыл бұрын
Woolie is really quick to make excuses for things he does like with the button thing lol. It really is a "just discipline yourself to not do it" thing but he blames everything but that
@Lunchbox224
@Lunchbox224 2 жыл бұрын
Boy that "mind goblins" response was not the own that Woolie thought it would be.
@Installation17
@Installation17 2 жыл бұрын
It throws me ALL the time when I complaints about controls, because I don't have those problems, and the reason is *because* I have a controller with back buttons. Not needing to remove my thumb from the right stick gives me such an advantage.
@TitaniteHydra
@TitaniteHydra 2 жыл бұрын
First picking up a controller, I accidentally started playing Claw. Nobody corrected me, so I've just played Claw by default since I was little. It has its advantages in plenty of games on controller!
@danhectic5629
@danhectic5629 2 жыл бұрын
Gunvalkyrie... click L3 & R3 til your hands fall off.
@deviltrigger29
@deviltrigger29 2 жыл бұрын
The more I hear about Paige the more I wonder how she's even alive
@iveli_alpaca
@iveli_alpaca 2 жыл бұрын
Chocobo GP is already a trainwreck, but one of the awful things about it is the default controls has accelerate on A and the character special ability on Y, on a Switch controller. To even play the game adequately, you have to use the third control preset which puts accelerate on R. DmC DE had a similar issue with its lock-on, but still having a dedicated dodge button. To be locked on to an enemy and do the red Demon Dodge, you’d be holding two different shoulder/trigger buttons and pressing a third. Any game that has you have to hold more than one shoulder/trigger button at a time should have its own mechanics reexamined.
@mewt5358
@mewt5358 2 жыл бұрын
Dark souls claw grip is the furled finger
@DotHackerKite94
@DotHackerKite94 2 жыл бұрын
Im with woolie on the torrent thing its too sensitive. I wouldnt even click it id simply just move to the left without pressing the button (no audible click) and it would register that i did, and my character dismonts, not so much on the ps4, but the ps5 seems to be way too sensitive.
@DotHackerKite94
@DotHackerKite94 2 жыл бұрын
@@BbNaB still doen't change the fact that it's annoying and has gotten me killed multiple times, either from dismounting while fighting a dragon or crouching randomly against any other enemy. also there is such thing as dead zones where it doesnt register in game till you press it in past certain point. for example call of duty doesn't register R3 or L3 until there is an audible click.
@DotHackerKite94
@DotHackerKite94 2 жыл бұрын
@@BbNaB at least im not the only one, guess im not crazy...well i'm crazy just not, you know...more so
@oceanviolets1306
@oceanviolets1306 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe switch controllers, some l3 presses are harder. I CANT accidently click the stick on my 3rd party Xbox controller for pc cause of the resistance
@lloyd011721
@lloyd011721 2 жыл бұрын
ive never used "the claw" in my life...
@Stefano.C
@Stefano.C 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad to have never adopted the claw method
@Densoro
@Densoro 2 жыл бұрын
I have long but pretty dainty hands, and Woolie's super right about accidental L3s. For me, it was mainly on the WiiU gamepad. 7 and 1 inputs would cause me to put a _hair_ more weight on the stick and make me crouch at stupid times. Also, the way to survive Kid Icarus Uprising and any other 3/DS action game is to put your stylus away. Seriously. Just hold the system normally and treat the touchscreen the same way you'd treat the right analog on a Dualshock. Trying to play KIU with a stylus is trying to eat pizza one-handed _with a fork and knife. Screw the utensils. Just pick up the pizza._ Run with analog, aim with thumb on screen, shoot with your preferred trigger, _and for the love of god_ move your powers to the ABXY buttons instead of the D-pad. All fixed.
@VacantPsalm
@VacantPsalm 2 жыл бұрын
On Steam, you have control settings above the actual game's internal control settings. Worth the PC jank, IMO. I've been using sneak with the PS4 touch pad click and it is way better.
@CyberShadowX8
@CyberShadowX8 2 жыл бұрын
One if my friends couldn't finish kid icarus uprising due to her being left handed and the game and 3ds not being being friendly to left handed people
@camdenfair493
@camdenfair493 2 жыл бұрын
I have the opposite problem honestly, sometimes I click in my stick and still don’t jump off torrent. The controller is getting up there in age so that might be it
@tank19768
@tank19768 2 жыл бұрын
For some reason the game doesn't let you dismount when you're on certain uneven ground. It's really annoying but I assume there's some technical reason they restrict it.
@Eidlones
@Eidlones 2 жыл бұрын
I genuinely don't know what "the claw" is. Any time a game wants me to use the d-pad and the left stick at the same time like Elden Ring, I just quickly move my thumb to the d-pad before going back to the thumbstick, instead of trying to contort my hand into some weird ass shape
@Nyug3r
@Nyug3r 2 жыл бұрын
Woolie holds his controllers wayy too tight. Also I use the tips of my thumbs on the control sticks in PS5.
@ledzeppelinfan1001
@ledzeppelinfan1001 19 күн бұрын
And he wonders why his ps5 controllers die so quick
@duneblythe
@duneblythe 2 жыл бұрын
Woolie. Stop pressing the c stick in. If you expect people to make fighting game motions into muscle memory, you can unlearn mashing the stick.
@richardjohnson8991
@richardjohnson8991 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Kid Icarus was an incredible game but holy fuck I never could play that game for more than an hour at a time because of massive hand cramps. Never before have I had a game physically hurt me to play it
@johnconnorpliskin7184
@johnconnorpliskin7184 2 жыл бұрын
Man do I hate that stupid touchpad on both PS controller iterations. It’s just the world’s largest select button. Absolutely useless.
@felphero
@felphero 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know accidentally pressing R3/L3 could even be a thing, in fact I hate games that use them because I fckin hate pressing those buttons
@tokyobassist
@tokyobassist 2 жыл бұрын
I've been playing "claw" since Mega Man X1 so you have to have some fucked up control scheme for me to notice lol.
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