Bishop Robert Barron on The Council of Trent

[@Stygard]

I converted to Catholicism 4 years ago. Just today I read session 6 from the council of trent and it's cannons, I found it beautiful. The Gospel presented in the documents about justification gave me such hope and joy and love for God! Thanks Trent! Thank Martin Luther for being the cause of such a beautiful document!

[@brianw.5230]

I'll say a rosary for you!

[@sethromusic]

This guy is such an eloquent speaker and so easy to listen to

[@pdxnikki1]

From Jewish atheism to Catholisism. Thank you, Bishop Barron for your explanation of Trent, which was my own linchpin. God bless you & may His peace alway be in you. 🌸🙏

[@brianw.5230]

God Bless!

[@youngKOkid1]

I’m a Jewish convert too. God bless you.

[@smartleisurechannel3167]

Great explanation and a highly educated historian

[@dinaandrade522]

Excellent Bishop Barron, I have not ever heard it put like that. It makes perfect sense and I've understood it better now. Thank you.

[@user-cz8gi2om3n]

I was raised Lutheran but this has encouraged me to read the document, albeit with a dose of scepticism. The one thing that does attract me about the Catholic church is it's reverence for Aristotle and Neoplatonism.

[@ToxicPea]

Just because the Church respects the great minds of the philosophers doesn't mean that she has to take into belief all that they have thought of.

[@jfrlkb]

I'm a convert from Lutheranism to Catholicism, and I loved to hear about this. This issue of grace was one of the problems I had with Luther and why the Catholic view is much more uplifting and fulfilling. Your analogy of an alcoholic is a good one. If an alcoholic acknowledges he has a problem and cannot cure it on his own, he also acknowledges he needs a higher help. The doctor helps him with his struggle, even taking on his struggle as his own, but here's where the Lutheran and Catholic difference lies. The Lutheran view would be an alcoholic who continues to drink but says, "I'm not an alcoholic anymore! My doctor told me so! My continued drinking and drunkenness doesn't hurt me because my doctor has declared me sober." The Catholic view would be the more helpful and correct and HOLY view. We do need to cooperate with the grace which Christ freely gives us, which He suffered and died to accomplish in us, and that grace is a call for us to "Go and sin no more." St. Paul says we are working out our salvation. We need to cooperate with the grace of Christ to work out our own salvation, and this is also where Protestantism in general falls short. The Catholic Church gives us incredible gifts to work out our salvation: the Sacrament of Penance and the Eucharist! As a former Lutheran, I can tell you I feel much more fulfilled in my Christian life as a Catholic.

[@CoryTheRaven]

I'm glad that you feel more fulfilled as a Catholic... More power to you. However, it sounds like your comprehension of Lutheranism was pretty off to begin with.

[@sshealy1]

I converted to Catholicism from the Lutheran Church, too. The lack of a living authority was the driving force out of the Lutheran Church for me.

[@CoryTheRaven]

sshealy1 Really? The Lutheran Church has too much authoritarianism as is.

[@sshealy1]

CoryTheRaven I haven't seen or heard of any Lutheran authority yet. Reading the news on the simultaneous expulsion and election of non-celibate gay pastors reveals this lack of authority.. They have some good theologians in Germany who were friends with Pope Emeritus Benedict when he was a professor.

[@CoryTheRaven]

sshealy1 In my particular branch of Lutheranism, we have a huge problem with institutional momentum and bishops who are simply out of touch with how that institution needs to interact with the modern economy. I have plenty of stories from my brief time in seminary, but I'll just employ the one about the bishop who dressed me down and called me names because I wasn't willing to serve a congregation very far removed from my then-girlfriend who was earning $60,000/year in IT. He was still operating under the assumption that being a pastor meant "sacrificing for God" by filling whatever job vacancies the synod has, and that the pastor/husband is the breadwinner and wifey goes along for the ride and plays the organ or something. Whether talking about temporal or spiritual authority, we still endure the existence of bishops and their totally distorted perception of who they are and how much power they wield.

[@NaruIchiLuffy]

Catechism of the Council of Trent - such clear Catholic teaching. It's a great Church patrimony that every Catholic should read through at least once in his lifetime. I believe it was also the basis for the Catechism Explained by Spirago, which is another treasure of the many treasures to be found within the Church.

[@timothypawlaczyk8422]

Thank you for this gift and your service. Trent is a gem as was it's authors. God speed

[@shawnadequan7893]

Interesting, Bishop Barron.Grace itself is perfection."Thank you" for your hard work.God Bless you! 👍😀😘

[@Yolduranduran]

Ok I need to listen to this a few times. Its over my head

[@Esico6]

Unfortunately he failed to mention that the Catholic church was selling this Grace.

[@nellahashimoto1342]

Thank you Bishop Barron. Thankful for all your informative and inspired speeches and videos and your series on Catholicism which I have and cherish. Thank you and thank God for you. N

[@stlouisphotography]

I'm a Protestant and I really enjoy listening to Bishop Barron. He is always very gracious. I enjoyed this, and it also confirmed why I am a Protestant. I do think it's correct to say that God declares us righteous based on the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. We find righteousness by faith in Christ. Of course I believe that we must repent of sin and follow the Lord Jesus, living righteously. Otherwise our faith is dead.

[@pigfist]

So then, you agree we're made righteous by faith? This is an event that takes place instantly, we pass from unjustified to justified, there's no in between. The good works that accompany faith are then the fruits of being justified, and without these works we see the faith was in fact not faith.

[@tomsaltsman]

Great exposition, Bishop. I don't always criticize you. In fact, I frequently recommend you to my Baptist friends.

[@havock89]

Excellent talk Father Barron. Thank you.

[@opfipip3711]

Very interesting and informative video. Thank you Bishop Barron for this! The main point for me was "cooperating with grace". If you listen for example to Dan Mohler who certainly is not a Catholic you find exactly the same idea: That "faith in grace" is NOT only a kind of inner consent or approval to some truth but has to be living out this truth because we are called to be a new creature that has the live of Christ within. Faith in Grace is not here to serve us but to transform us. Somehow protestants know that. It is not true, that the majority of protestants promote you can go on living by the flesh without consequences. Maybe a few are preaching this. But this was never part of the reformation. The point til today if you talk with an average Catholic is, that they tend to "forget" the "grace part" and focus only on the "cooperation part" which leads to a man centered effort to be saved. Again this is not true for all Catholics but for many of them. But sadly, the majority of the Catholics and of the members of many protest denominations ignore the faith.

[@lachezarsimeonov6437]

Well, as a Protestant I should like to add a certain qualification. The council of Trent says that grace helps us to perform good works and the latter become our righteousness. I protest! We are saved entirely by grace alone and the good works are Evidence for us being regenerated not the cause of our salvation. This is the critical difference between the Protestant and the Catholic. Sola Gratia!! As to the freedom of the will, the Protestant may well be Arminian and believe in the cooperation of the saving grace and the free will. I am technically speaking Arminian, though almost Calvinist when it comes to Sola Gratia, Sola Fide and so on..All the five solae! If one does not accept Sola Gratia, it may happen that one works out his own righteousness and fall away from grace and even lose his salvation. Behind his works some false righteousness may well be lurking - how successful Christian I am, what good marriage I have, how obedient I am to the law, how successful I am in my career etc.

[@newliam5]

You feel that way because you look at religion from a utilitarian point of view. Christ already died for your sins you don't need further "justification". You shouldn't be asking: how do I get salvation? you should be asking: how do I participate in God's glory? if you do participate in God's glory with your heart and with your deeds then He won't keep you away from Him

[@dariodesansebastian]

We accept that Grace is the most important thing, that we found when Christ died for us. We accept that Faith is extremely important. We don't accept that works are useless, even James 2:20 and Christ in the Sermoun of the Mount says it. Grace is the open door to Heaven, Faith is the path that leads to it, Works are the little steps that we take towards that open door (Grace), following the path (Faith). Without open door, steps and path are useless. Same thing with an open door and steps, but no path. Same with any combination you desire. Well, you still include good works in your definition, so it's not sola gratia or sola fide, and definitely not Sola Scriptura. I don't want to have an argument with you, brother. Delve deep into Christianity and see where it takes you. Follow God, not a spiteful monk that was openly against tradition and the Apostles. Hopefully you'll come back home, we are praying for you. Also have a look at the traditional Latin mass! Pax tecum, frater!

[@grahamjonesministries]

love your work Bishop Barron, but with Trent, how can you ignore the anathemas proclaimed? Do you agree with those? I want to read the text of Trent with a heart to see the good there, and you do a great job of that but isn't there a danger of whitewashing some really bad things at the same time? Genuine question and again I love and appreciate your work. Blessings, Pastor Graham

[@leahistrying1501]

This is a video for my online school Like if ya go to Cardinal Newman ⬇️

[@dejak1429]

-Strolling Around- same but for a different school

[@meterod424Butthe2nd4isa0]

Yeah, I'm also here because of the Kung Flu

[@bradleymcdonald6273]

I want to thank the council of Trent for reminding me of my Faith Though they wish me condemned Canon 9: if anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone... let him be anathema (eternally condemned) Canon 11: if anyone says that men are justified either solely by the imputation of Christ’s righteousness or solely by remission of sins, to the exclusion of the Grace and charity which is poured into their hearts by the Holy Spirit and stays with them, or also that the Grace by which we are justified *is only the good will of God* , let him be anathema Canon 12: if anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than trust in divine mercy, which remits sins for Christ’s sake... let him be anathema Canon 24: if anyone says that the righteousness received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but no the cause of the increase, let him be anathema

[@rjsledz]

Fr Barron, Why aren't Priests who coming out of the seminary do not have knowledge of LATIN hence cannot perform the Tridentine Mass? That is the biggest tragedy you can correct!

[@dynamic9016]

Really appreciate this video.

[@pinkdonutrox]

Great commentary, Fr. Barron. God bless the Catholic Church.

[@angelinatrinidadsevilla3229]

i need the daily catholic mass

[@skjelver4]

Excellent commentary. I was listening to the radio in my car yesterday, and I somehow tuned to a lullaby playing (public radio). It was very beautiful, but I thought to myself: Are lullabies even relevant anymore? Its nice that the Council of Trent articulated the "propagation" nature of our fallen state 500 years ago, but we seem to be falling faster than ever.

[@MicaleAntonio]

Father, excellent video as always, thank you! As a side note, you may really appreciate Kierkegaard's The Sickness Unto Death (if you haven't read it already); it deals with these themes extremely well, I highly recommend it.

[@DJIndy]

I was also surprised by Trent when I finally read it earlier this year. One of the most interesting aspects, when considering objections by those that don't like Vatican II, was that Trent actually invited (or allowed) protestants to come and speak before the council (not just observe, but speak before the council about specific matters before they were decided on). I don't think the protestants ever made it due to other conflicts that came up before they could make it there, but it was interesting that the council went to great pains to assure the protestants could pose their case before the council on certain matters.

[@NT-ss7ll]

I'm interested in what the current perspective of the Catholic Church is on the Pontifical Confutation of 1530? It was a document which responded to the Augsburg Confession.

[@MrBrunoUSA]

A great and informative video. I have read parts of the Catechism of the Council of Trent but not any other documents to come out of that council.

[@Dhari1]

'Trentsformation'? 11:00. I love you Fr. Barron, glory be to God!

[@Malik-hz5fg]

Joseph Boyat how?

[@mutaze]

Simulating thoughts as always! So Trent found substance in Luther's challenge to catholicism. Except they felt that it didn't go far enough. I'm a protestant though I need to read up on Luther's position on justification. I would agree with Luther that at salvation we are justified forensically. I would agree with Trent as the bishop describes it that we are not only declared righteous but we experience a transformation that progresses with our cooperation. However, I would not say we "grow" in justification. We grow in sanctification but we are justified, declared righteous and innocent as though we had never sinned because Christ's spotless record becomes ours while our sinful record is nailed with him on the cross as Paul says. Justification in my view is not a process but a moment. Sanctification on the other hand is the process. At salvation when we repent and believe, we experience a complete, forensic, positional sanctification but go on to experience a progressive sanctification as well.

[@mutaze]

​@@mosesking2923 I really appreciate your use of scripture. Most people do not attempt to interact with the bible in their responses and discussions. I also appreciate your point about Justification being a future event in some passages but do you have any scriptures that describe justification as a process rather than a moment? You say justification means to be "declared righteous" which I agree, but how can a declaration be a process? The very definition of the word communicates it to be a moment rather than a process. Even your verses which point to justification as a future event still fit justification being a moment rather than a process.

[@mutaze]

@@mosesking2923 Just because justification can be reversed, withdrawn or annulled doesn't make it a process. A marriage can be annulled but that doesn't mean you are always in a process of getting married. You are married when the official declares you man and wife. The second before that you were not married. That declaration doesn't begin a process of getting married. You are no more married than you were on the day you were declared married no matter how long it has been. Likewise, when you are declared righteous (justified), you were not justified the second before the declaration and you are not more declared righteous a few months later. You are either married or not and you are either justified or not. The mere premise that it can be revoked doesn't make it a process. That's why I asked if there was any scripture that supported the idea that justification is a process.

[@mutaze]

@@mosesking2923 So no Scriptures, huh? Indeed, you would be hard pressed to find any biblical grounds for calling a declaration a process. You yourself aptly defined justification as a declaration but because you believe that salvation can be lost you are forced to make justification a process. It's unfortunate that you have a bias against the protestant position.

[@mutaze]

@@mosesking2923 What is your understanding of Romans 3.20? For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

[@mutaze]

@@mosesking2923 Verses come to mind concerning the need for baptism and confession but where does the Bible say that the Eucharist is essential for salvation?

[@GarrettFruge]

Great video! I think it would be really interesting if Fr. Barron did a video about the theological differences between the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox views on Hell.

[@jaystannard]

When an orthodox bishop gets in a cab and says, take me to the council, he ends up in Nicea.

[@williamk70]

That would be a very short video. The only real difference is the question of "the primacy of Peter" and it is not really a theological difference.

[@deanschulze3129]

The Council of Trent has always been a problem for me in the way it attacks anyone who does not believe in the importance of our will and our works. But maybe I have not parsed it carefully enough. Bishop Barron says that justification happens through faith and grace alone, but that our cooperation can increase that justification (grace). Where is this taught in the Bible? Can we actually increase God's justification? I doubt that. If someone can show me otherwise from the Bible I would be very interested. Disclosure: I'm Lutheran and I look to the Bible, not necessarily an extra-scriptural explanation.

[@JL-mo8sv]

I humbly say that Luther had his heart in the right place, but made a huge human mistake. He divided. It was not supposed to be divided but fixed. Like what St. Francis did. It is truly sad how these little churches and pastors convince the ignorant through faulty teachings, falsehoods about the transubstanciation, Mary, Apostolic sucession, sacraments and Tradition. One thing I must also say about Bishop Barron is that I am very proud of him. May God bless him and keep him as a light to us in our learning process! Kudos!

[@newliam5]

I don't think he was a good person: massive antisemite (we're talking nazi levels), the guy was bloodthirsty look what he did during the peasants revolt, he was a megalomaniac who wanted to destroy the Church that's why he got his own followers because he thought of himself like some sort of prophet, if anyone ever deserved to be called an heretic that was him

[@Publius-24]

Jesus I love you. All I have is yours. Yours I am yours I want to be. Do with me whatever you will.

[@thefateshavewarned]

Another great video Father Barron. I should try to read Trent if I get the chance.

[@davidvazquez1425]

Trent gave us the holistic teaching of justification the only path of salvation

[@jammerbammer1]

Can anyone point me to some more meterial about the "growing in justification. " that he speeks about. As a protistant i am not familiar with what that means. I understand that we mature in Christ is this the same consept?

[@563227136]

Father, thank you for this commntary. What I found particularly interesting was the problem of unity compromised by the original sin. I participate in an apostolate that recommends unity of life, that is, applying christian values in every aspect of our private, professional and social lives, and not separating religion from everyday reality. I have been recently meditating on St Josemaria Escriva's The Way, especially on one chapter:

[@robbourassaguitarist]

On the great day where the doctrine of infusion vs imputation is laid bare, we will all beg for imputed righteousness.

[@sshealy1]

The 1999 Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification by the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church stated "On the basis of their dialogue the subscribing Lutheran churches and the Roman Catholic Church are now able to articulate a common understanding of our justification by God's grace through faith in Christ. It does not cover all that either church teaches about justification; it does encompass a consensus on basic truths of the doctrine of justification and shows that the remaining differences in its explication are no longer the occasion for doctrinal condemnations." The World Methodist Council signed on to this document in 2006, too.

[@SpecCrun]

As a protestant looking into Catholicism this is helpful. But I do have a question about Catholic justification if anyone is willing to hear

[@EmmanuelGoldstein74]

The Council of Trent is, outside the great councils of the 1st six centuries, the greatest council of the Church. Trent is the true heir of the classic Augustinian teaching of Original Sin and Justification, not the Protestants. So I humbly and respectfully disagree with Your Excellency. The holy fathers at Trent did not nod in any way shape or form to the Protestant heretics. They had a treasure of Apostolic Tradition to work from. According to Pope Leo XIII, placed at the center of the council were the Sacred Scriptures, Papal Decretals, and St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologicae. The Church historian, Philip Hughes wrote: "Where is the doctrinal definition of this council [i.e. Trent], for comment on which the theological lecturer will not turn for guidance to St. Thomas …?” (The Church in Crisis: A History of the General Councils, 325-1870, p. 324) Trent's dogmatic formulations were perfectly Catholic coming solely from Catholic Tradition having nothing to do whatsoever with Luther or Protestants. It was Luther, who had as an Augustinian monk, retained some semblance of Catholic teaching in the midst of his heretical view of Justification.

[@davidcolley7714]

Clown

[@healingheartsandsouls1019]

Thank you, very interesting! Very intelligent!

[@macartinha]

As an ex protestant I can testify about being save by grace. That gives you the false believe that I can do anything type of thing, and I never believe that even when I was attending their services. "Jesus Christ, son of God have mercy on me a sinner."

[@Okogg]

Maria Carbone You took a step backwards because Biblical Protestants have never taught that you can have faith and “do whatever you want” that’s called not having real faith AKA never being saved in the first place.

[@IrishCultura]

The Padre is pretty smart.

[@777worldwide]

great sportsmenship at it,s very best ...wisdom too...

[@Okogg]

Sunset Paddy Font call him Padre there’s only 1 Father in heaven.

[@thouartdust7464]

@@Okogg What do you call your dad? His name?

[@eugengolubic2186]

@@Okogg tell that to st. Paul

[@Okogg]

@@thouartdust7464 I call him pa haha and u can call you’d dad “father” because be is your biological father, but spiritually speaking you can only call God “Father” even Jesus said this “9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” (Mathew 23:9) one can only be called father in a sense of “leadership” like a “church father” but when you get personal and cling to him as “Father” you are subliminally sharing Gods holy name (in a spiritual way) with a sinful human who is just like you.

[@marcladuke6302]

Yes! We must understand our cooperation! Christ is one with His Creation. Consummatum Est!

[@the2494silvester]

Is the council infalliable? What I mean is: are the churxh ecumenical councils to be considered infalliable?

[@yohanadwisetyawati9869]

Humble ourself ad receive the Holy Spirit and Truth.

[@woweixiaomiandui]

Catholics seldom discuss the missuse of indulgences. That was also part of Luther's propositions for an academic disputation.

[@AveChristusRex]

The answer is in the question-"missuse." There have always, in every age of the Church, been misuses of whatever kind.

[@ToxicPea]

Yeah, after Trent, the selling of indulgences was stopped, so... But of course, the misuse of indulgences was a terrible, terrible thing.

[@ryanlockwood7915]

Fr, I’m curious about your take on Steven Corbett’s “When Helping Hurts.” Some of what you’ve said here reminds me of what Corbett addresses in his book.

[@bloodmooncomix457]

8:05 This example is only scratching the serfice! 🫵😲 Our Lord save me from addiction almost 14 years ago and I can tell you that even if the drugs were not involved I would have been doing something else that would have been just as or more destructive! Guarantee you after 20 years of an addiction, a human being wil eventually get sick of the cycle and want to relief from the suffering ...🤔 The Bible tells you that this isn't the case for sin AT ALL! 😬🥺😥🫢😣 John 3:19 ✝️

[@BackToOrthodoxy]

Fr. Barron, what is your opinion on Protestants? Are they anathema?

[@BishopBarron]

By no means! They are beloved children of God and my brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@sovgrace123]

Fr. Robert Barron I enjoyed the video and appreciated your conciliatory tone. As a Reformed Christian (Presbyterian) I don't have a problem recognizing the time-bound nature of the Westminster Confession of Faith with regard to its stance on the Pope. It is a human and fallible, albeit useful confession. But how do you get around the 'anathemas' of Trent toward us when Trent is not viewed as fallible and 'anathema' is an innately biblical term (e.g. Gal. 1:8,9)?

[@Ekim1740]

Back to Orthodoxy Protestants are Heretics.

[@BackToOrthodoxy]

Michael Z According to man-made doctrines like infused righteousness and works-based salvation. Why do you need Christ anyways?

[@nousury]

+Back to Orthodoxy These are not "man-made" doctrines, any more than the doctrine of the Trinity is "man-made" or the doctrine that Jesus was "fully God and fully man". Listen to Father Barron in this video. He explains the difference between "imputed righteousness" (which could just as easily be called "man-made") and the actual righteousness or perfectibility that the catholic church teaches. This is a key distinction, and dictates whether you believe it is even possible to obey Christ's commands or not. Closely linked to this is the doctrine of works. No one teaches "works-based salvation." What the catholic church teaches is that faith and works go hand in glove. They are inseparable, just as James says clearly and emphatically in chapter 2. If you believe it is impossible to obey God, then of course it is equally impossible for your works to mean anything. Once again, a doctrine results that says that how you behave on this earth does not really matter, since you are "totally depraved" and incapable of redemption in any practical, meaningful way. So pray a prayer, wave a magic wand, and collect your ticket to Heaven, and nothing that happens after that really matters! Where Trent really starts to set the Protestant notions straight is with the doctrine of Grace. Grace is what gives us the power to obey God. This is not what Protestants teach about Grace at all. Actually, Trent laid out two different types of Grace found in Scripture, and this clarifies things immensely. Read about "Actual" Grace and "Sanctifying" Grace here: www.newadvent.org/cathen/06689a.htm

[@JoshAlicea1229]

Bishop, I am asking about what you said about an "increase in justification." How is that any different from sanctification? In my understanding, we are saved by grace through faith, then we enter in to the process of sanctification whereby the Spirit works in us, (with our cooperation), and makes us more like Christ. Correct me if I am wrong, and please feel free to expand further. Thank you.

[@jimluebke3869]

Even if the specific issues Bishop Barron notes in his discussions on Lutheranism could be reconciled with Tridentine teachings, there are in fact more differences discovered in the years since, that would embroil any "Lutheran Order" in theological disputes as contentious as any the Bishop rightly notes have been with the Church down through the ages. Could those discussions be tolerated for the sake of a unified laity? Could they (even) be fruitful? Would they discredit the Church in such a way as to cause people to stop cooperating with Grace? Would the egotism of any of the participants inevitably lead to escalations in the conflicts? Could a "mere" Christianity be identified, freed from error by its simplicity?

[@kca1031]

So is concupiscence (the tendency to sin, if I'm understanding it correctly) a result of original sin? I know that Baptism cleanses us from the eternal and temporal effects of both personal sin and original sin, but would it be true to say that some aspects of original sin, such as concupiscence, remain on a personal level? (I know Fr. mentioned it in reference to society)

[@kca1031]

The Catholic Encyclopedia:"Christ by His death redeemed mankind from sin and its bondage. In baptism the guilt of original sin is wiped out and the soul is cleansed and justified again by the infusion of sanctifying grace. But freedom from concupiscence is not restored to man, any more than immortality ; abundant grace, however, is given him, by which he may obtain the victory over rebellious sense and deserve life everlasting." Question answered.

[@1PhilipDonald]

Hi Fr Barron, have you read 'Paul and the Faithfulness of God' by N.T. Wright? I am only on page 200, but I suspect it may be a strong nod in the direction of Trent.

[@563227136]

Fascinating co-relation, isnt it? Would it be possible for you Father to make a commentary on St Josemaria at some point? God bless!

[@raymondwichowski2689]

It might be true that there are not as many differences as people think between Catholics and Protestants. The way I learned it many years ago was like this: As Bishop Barron says, Luther maintained that justification is something imputed to us, not actually something we earned. When God looks at someone who is justified by faith, He sees the righteousness of Jesus covering the sinful person. (The analogy of the dung pile which is covered by pure white snow may not be Luther's but an Anglican's from the Reformation period, but that is the traditional metaphor used.) After we are declared perfect in God's eyes, but not really sinless, begins sanctification, the process of actually becoming holy over time. So what I had heard called sanctification, or becoming holy, is what Bishop Barron calls "becoming justified," cooperating with God, without mentioning sanctification. I have seen other Catholic theologians describe it the same way. And then there is glorification, which is actually becoming perfect at the Resurrection of the dead. Paul uses all these terms but everyone interprets them differently, I guess. In Romans 8:29-30 he says "justified... glorified," leaving out the sanctification, but he does use "sanctification" in Romans 6:19, 22. So it is justification, sanctification, glorification. I think, I could be wrong.

[@leeabe3932]

Would you please speak about how those differences have lent themselves to different practices, observances, and doctrines esp in Catholicism. It is not clear how cooperating with grace yields the institution of Roman Catholicism.

[@villiestephanov984]

I love You Father Barron 😍 💖😘. . .

[@eduardobautista9900]

The disobedience of Adam. 2 Esdras 3:7, You gave him just one commandment, but he disobeyed it, and you immediately made him and his descendants subject to death.

[@eduardobautista9900]

What's unholy to understand holiness? Those that are unholy are the disobedience to what are restricted in Matthew 15:19-20, Mark 7:20-23.

[@nathanburgard]

Not a single verse from the Bible mentioned in the entire video, huh. I watched this to listen to the Catholic view on this before listening to a Protestant refute the Council of Trent. I’ve NEVER seen any biblical Protestant do that. Is the Bible not the Word of God?

[@nathanburgard]

By do that I mean to not include the Word of God with his teachings. The actual heart of the Protestant Reformation is that the Catholic church is not Biblical (justification is merely an example), and by not using the Bible in your video, you don’t exactly prove them wrong.

[@nathanburgard]

One would think that when talking about the Church of God, you’d include the Word of God along with it…especially as an elder.

[@momomido6081]

Perfect.

[@GiovanniCaban]

I have a question that I've been asking my local priest. Maybe you could shed some light on this. According to paragraph 375 of the Catechism it states essentially that Adam and Eve where real people and that the human race springs from those two parents, which pass along original sin. Now concerning the theory (I emphasize that) of evolution, is the an unscientific contradiction here? Because homo sapiens have been around for about 200,000 years and mostly originated from modern day Ethiopia. That being the case It doesn't seem to be a contradiction but a mystery in that we do not know how God created man directly but it is possible (maybe likely) that we originate from one man and one woman. Any thoughts? Thank you

[@shamrockxsd]

Genetics has shown that all modern humans actually do come from one man and one woman, my friend. :) It does trace back to Africa, but our faith does not require a literal location or time. God bless!

[@KayKayBayForever]

There's a really good blog post I've found addressing some of that: tofspot.blogspot.ca/2011/09/adam-and-eve-and-ted-and-alice.html. It's by the Hugo award winning author Michael F. Flynn (also a Catholic, btw).

[@shamrockxsd]

There is great documentary that goes over the genetic dating, called The Human Family Tree. It does mention that Y-chromazonal Adam can be linked to Mitochondrial Eve. You are correct in your point besides that however. :)

[@GiovanniCaban]

shamrockxsd Thank you for the responses guys. I have heard of that, I believe that is on Netflix. I should take a look at it.

[@shifttransformations6597]

How many works does it take sir?!???

[@mattinuk]

thanks for this. do all the other councils. we need it

[@weobeyjesus4565]

I don't think justification can increase, that is what most refer to as sanctification. I would say a person is either justified or condemned, they cannot be both, and they must be one. Although justification is on those who believe prior to any obedience (apart from works) the belief is not of yourself, and you will not keep the belief unless you obey. It is by God's grace that become a believer and by his grace you remain a believe, so we obey, in fear of losing God's mercy and the enlightenment.

[@jeffallanday]

I am a non-Catholic. I watch a lot of Catholic videos. The part of this I struggle understanding is "Growing Justification". Can you elaborate on what this means?

[@luis_techie]

No growing justification. We are justified by the death of our Lord Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection. The process you are referring to comes after justification and is classified as Sanctification. It's a lifelong process of growing in faith and sanctity.

[@amartinez589]

@@luis_techie Amen!

[@shifttransformations6597]

Justified by faith it's literally ALL OVER THE BIBLE!!!!

[@marcuscaballarius2159]

Totally non biblical to live in sin yet go to heaven because you say you believe.

[@shifttransformations6597]

@@marcuscaballarius2159 I agree and that is not what I meant, REPENT AND TRUST... Being born again is essential as well, Catholic infant baptism does nothing that is not being born again.. as you know Nicodemus did not know what Jesus was taking about when he says a man must be born again. Most Catholics don't even believe in being born again or they think they are because a priest dumped water on their head as a baby.. I never new what born again was till it happened to me.. desires changed, my faith felt like it went from nothing to three feet thick, my trust was all in for Jesus, I started repenting multiple times a day a decreasing pattern of sin, I know I must hold this faith even in the face of death. This is the work of the holy spirit that regenerated me. But yes we are justified by faith but faith is granted and so is repentance.. there is zero justification to earned through man made sacraments of the Catholic church. I was a Catholic fir 35 years I'm not anymore since I started reading the Bible. The Catholic church says you can lose your justification! This is flat false.. the other thing I noticed is Catholicism constantly negates the work Jesus did on the cross.. let's take purgatory... What is the need for additional purging or cleansing from sin?? Jesus died a perfect sacrifice to pay for the sins. To say we need more purging is to say his sacrifice was not sufficient.. that's not pleasing to God.. then the praying to saints and Mary. Jesus is the conduit to God there is no need for any additional intercession. Mary while she was a virgin while birthing Jesus she was not a virgin her whole life as Jesus has brothers and sisters James being one.. Mary was not a sinless women either. The exaltation of Mary crazy, Jesus himself calls her women.. the immaculate conception, people believe that's is when Jesus was born, Catholics say that is when Mary was born lol. Meaning she was born without original sin, not true either. Sorry for so much here but Catholicism drives me mad.. everything about devalues what Jesus did and the Catholic church tries to insert itself in between man and god... To me the Catholic church is like a knock off product, they try to offer everything that Jesus already accomplished plain and simple.. Catholicism comes crumbling down on Peter alone, Peter was no pope. There is zero evidence if a papal succession in the bible, Peter was even reprimanded in the bible mixing law and grace, he was not even in Rome, if he was pope why didn't he speak to the Romans or be mentioned in the book of Romans at all... The council of Jerusalem, what role did he play there, if he was a pope it should have been a big role. The whole papacy is a position of pride, he calls himself the Vicar of Christ, Christ on earth so to speak, I look at the pope and the pharisees and see a major resemblance in the clothing and the mindset. There is one mediator between God and man and that is christ. I know Catholics have the additional revelation from God with their apocrypha. I would suggest taking a look at the last verses in revelation or actually I post it here. I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18‭-‬19

[@brendos444]

I think Father Barron is quite right here on sin, anthropology and justification. The Reformers would see these terms as quite distinct - being the scholastics that they were. However, because traditional Christianity sees the problem of the fall as ontological rather than forensic, justification cannot merely be a matter of a declaration. Something must happen within us too. That's the cooperation with the grace of God Fr Barron was talking about. Whenever we speak of cooperation with God in holiness, Reformed Christians cry "Pelagians!". How would you respond to this accusation?

[@nousury]

+brendos444 What clarified this for me was reading about the two different types of Grace described by Trent. www.newadvent.org/cathen/06689a.htm This is completely different to what Protestants understand. Once this is clear, it is obvious that catholics still affirm the necessity of God's involvement in our redemption and perfection. At no time does the Pelagian error enter which says that we can choose not to sin without any assistance from above.

[@Mirro.555]

If God is separating right now the tares from the wheat then it's a very unique and interesting time to live through.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

NO ‘Come home to Rome’ for me UNLESS those Anathemas/ Curses written against the Reformers are officially removed/corrected. There were 151 Anathemas written by RCC during Council of Trent in response to The Reformation.

[@lancekellner3603]

I was out at "increase in justification" via cooperation/obedience = work for your salvation. I'll go back to imputed righteousness, thank you. lol.

[@richardconlan6711]

It's not working for salvation because as Trent says, no one can merit the grace of initial justification, we can only receive it through faith. Until we receive this free gift, we can't do anything. Once we receive it freely by faith, we can increase it by cooperating with the grace. But we are saved by the free gift; the increase is merely for our benefit. Who doesn't want a closer walk with the Lord?

[@wayneanddonita3857]

suppose, instead of saying "Justification Sola Fide", the Reformers had said something more like: One can be forensically *absolved* by faith alone, because of the work on the cross, and Justification is the result of absolution + faith working in love". This, IMO (as far as my "theologically infantile" mind can determine :-) ), would've been a good fusion of St.'s Augustine & Anselm, and would have avoided the "discontinuity" with Historical Theology that, admittedly, came with the doctrines of the Reformers.

[@PMK1213]

Which book do you recommend for a good overview of Trent?

[@QuisutDeusmpc]

You cannot do any better than read the primary documents "The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent" and "The Catechism of the Councilpublished by TAN books, and Fr. John O'Malley has a great book on the historical context and behind the scenes goings-on called "Trent: What Happened at the Council".

[@pigfist]

The Bible, it will explain perfectly how much the catholic church is in error

[@danieljaghab2664]

Any similarities between the doctrine of the Catholic faith and the Protestants, is not a leaning of the Council of Trent towards the doctrines of the Protestants. Rather it is them taking from Catholicism.

[@davidrobinson5180]

What made the Council of Trent a tragedy wasn't chiefly its doctrine of original sin, but the anathematizing of anyone who would say that " If anyone says that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in divine mercy" in Canon 12 or that "works are merely fruits and signs of justification obtained" in Canon 24. The idea of holiness in Scripture has its root in the Hebrew word "kadosh", which means "other". It means that God is morally or essentially different from the rest of creation. With regard to people or other creation, it refers to being set apart for use by God. While the great European languages may make "holy" and "healthy" sound the same, while there are some interesting overlapping realities between something that is holy and something that is whole, this is not where we get the core idea of "holy". For instance, all the items in the temple were "whole" and had "integrity", but they needed to be anointed with blood or oil in order to be "holy" to the Lord.

[@DK-ss1vu]

As much as I respect the bishop, he is missing the point of original sin. We, by nature, hate God and that’s why God must change our will to make us love him. He does this by applying the blood of Jesus Christ to his people. Only then are we reconciled to God.

[@thomasdonlin5456]

Came to believe that only a Higher Power could restore us to sanity.

[@shifttransformations6597]

Yes born again

[@johng.7560]

Are the declarations of people being anathema (damned) still believed by the cc. Trent damned anybody who disagreed with the catholic church, like these arrogant pagans had any power to damn. Thank God for Martin Luther.

[@mmazz414]

I appreciate this explanation, but you've failed to incorporate what the Catholic Church has strongly upheld through this council - the justification of works, which I think was ambiguously pointed to when mentioning "increasing justification". There is not one place in the Bible where we grow in justification, and it's wrong to say so.

[@williamavitt8264]

"There is not one place in the Bible where it says we grow in justification, and it's wrong to say so." Can you point to anywhere in the Bible where it specifically says we DON'T grow in justification? And if you can't, how can you say that it's wrong to say we can?

[@mmazz414]

@@williamavitt8264 Thanks for your honest reply! Just because scripture doesn't specifically say does not mean we get to insert our own understandings. We have to go by what it *does* say, and what scripture says is that we are justified by faith alone > Galatians 2:15-21. If we believe we can GROW in justification, that means there are levels of justification. If that's the case, who is to say what level we are on? And who dictates when we've reached a new level? More importantly, what's greater justification than by believing in Christ alone? This points to works-based salvation, which isn't biblical. I'm not saying works don't play a part in faith, but they certainly aren't a means to salvation.

[@williamavitt8264]

@@mmazz414 Galatians 2 doesn't say we are justified by faith alone. At all. It says by faith, apart from works of the law. This is specifically talking about works of the Mosaic Law. Circumcision, Jewish dietary laws, etc. However James specifically says we are NOT saved by faith alone, and that is the only place in the Bible where the phrase "faith alone" is found in the entirety of the Scriptures, to tell us that we are NOT saved by faith alone. So the only way to reconcile these passages would be to have levels of justification, which the Church actually refers to as justification and sanctification. But this isn't a works based salvation. Salvation comes from faith in Christ, but that faith must bear real fruit or it's dead. A dead faith does nothing. Only a faith that manifests through good works (not works of the law) is a truly saving faith. When Jesus called Peter out to walk on the water to meet Him, Peter needed both faith and the will to actually get out of the boat. If he believed Jesus would allow him to walk on the water, but never got out of the boat, what good is his faith? Likewise, once Peter got scared and his faith waned, he began to sink even though he was still doing the work. Works are meaningless without faith and faith is meaningless without works. It's a symbiosis

[@jeffreygaleski1099]

Protestants are like fragments of Catholic church because instead of waiting for changes in the church they decided lets make our own. which lead to more and more of changes. yet sadly luther had only certain problems with the church not all of it.

[@rockybarookie8154]

Jeffrey Galeski Protestants are not fragments of the Catholic Church most of the Protestant churches throughout England and Europe we're confiscated from Catholics by the Protestant movement and vandalised and desecrated at the hands of Protestants into Protestant churchs, the same way that I have seen with my own eyes the vandalism and desecration of what was once authentic Catholic churches at the hands of the Novus ordo over the past 50 years, only one church was established by Christ who is God that was in 33CE, all churches from Martin Luther to the present day are false man-made religions outside of the authentic Catholic Church there is no salvation

[@bradwalton3977]

Fr. Barron seems to speak of Protestantism as if it has only a doctrine of justification, but not also a doctrine of sanctification. But Protestantism has both doctrines.

[@naturelover1284]

how does one respond to a person of color when you are insulted about your age, gender or body by them?

[@joycorcoran5123]

I apologize for not speaking in Grace.- Joy Corcoran

[@praxidescenteno3233]

Beloved letters! 😇😇😇

[@OrigenisAdamantios]

He breathes orthodoxy !!

[@JC-jh9xx]

smahs like when u see jesus amen

[@coryc1904]

The council of Trent anathemizes Christianity.

[@danielmiryt2]

I am not as wise as you, but I always remember Jesus words: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." What are the fruits of Vatican II, I can see a tremendous crisis in the church nowadays, in different levels.

[@bensaysthis]

True cool guys.

[@JmReDP21]

I can’t be a Roman Catholic because I read and believe the bible.

[@bloodmooncomix457]

TRINITARIAN: ✝️ Ouch! 👊😏😬🤭🤫😉😎

[@devonodonnell715]

Weird how after I read the Bible I realised how wrong Protestantism was and left it in favour of the one indivisible body of Christ that is the Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church.

[@JmReDP21]

@@devonodonnell715 I’m a Bible believer there bud, if that makes me a Protestant so be it. The history, teachings and traditions of the Catholic Church contradict the scriptures

[@marcladuke6302]

*7:15* Corona (the surrounding light) we are being show again how sin reduces us to fearful creatures instead of whole beings in Christ. The Holy Spirit, the surrounding light, casts a shadow to show us our fallen nature, by His presence

[@coreylanier3524]

Love that cardigan!

[@563227136]

The Way 940: Don't forget that unity is a sign of life: to disunite means putrefaction - a clear sign of being a corpse."

[@eurekajesus7904]

Increase in holiness, not "increase in justification."

[@apsmith99]

confusing categories of justification and sanctification imho. yes we co-operate with God's grace as we are sanctified and good works are the path of salvation, but justification is by faith alone. happy reformation day.

[@Unclenate1000]

Father, according to Trent, am I without question bound to believe that Adam was really PHYSICALLY immortal?? I love Catholicism and how all-around intellectually beautiful it is, until a ran into this teaching. I find it completely trivial for God to give Adam bodily immortality. I don't see the shame in a sinless person dying in body.

[@FaithandReason101]

death is a shame for a sinless person.

[@Unclenate1000]

FaithandReason101 But i would like to take that into question. Why does it have to be a shame? and then if it is, so what?

[@FaithandReason101]

Unclenate1000 YOU: Why does it have to be a shame? ME: Death and decay are a shame for a sinless person because death is a punishment due to sin. Death is a privation of life; life is a great good. So death takes away something very good.

[@Unclenate1000]

Makes plain sense spiritually. but i see bodily death as potentially arbitrary, some degree of decay that is irreversible. Honestly i just don't see the objective significance in the body having any trivial privileges like what i believe immortality to be.

[@FaithandReason101]

Unclenate1000 the thing about human beings is that we are made body and soul. the body isnt just some mere shell, it is a unity with the soul: this unity is what we call a human.

[@GiovanniCaban]

Also to keep in mind is the conversion story Anthony Flew of which he talks of the more likely position of creation from knowing our biology in his books.