Understanding Violence in the Old Testament

Friends, parts of the Old Testament depict God commanding the Israelites to massacre entire populations-every man, woman, child, and animal. How should Christians make sense of these passages? They seem to present God as angry, vindictive, and genocidal, contradicting the New Testament presentation of God as loving and merciful. That's what Brandon Vogt and I discuss in today's episode of "The Word on Fire Show."
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[@JatnaRD]

20:00 St Ireneus's position 27:30 St. Augustine and St. Aquinas' positions 32:00 Origen's approach 40:00 allegorical vs historical view

[@chandlerancar1080]

thanks so much!

[@supremeleadersmeagol6345]

I was literally just struggling with this issue and +Barron decides to upload a video about it the very same week. The Holy spirit is working in him for sure

[@masterchief8179]

And for sure within you, my friend! Not all of us get those chances! God bless!

[@iloveamerica007]

Or maybe it's just a coincidence

[@ARMY_RUGS]

You just heard what you wanted to hear 🤣😂. Holy Spirit hasn’t spoken to anyone . Keep seeking and searching. God hasn’t sent anyone to cause violence. It’s humans doing evil in justification of the name of God . But as far as is in the bible we have every right to justify it .

[@emiliobruh5309]

@@ARMY_RUGS it is actually the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is working all the time, every time you say " "Jesus my saviour" it's because of the Holy Spirit... You think, pray and discern all due to the Holy Spirit.

[@emiliobruh5309]

@@ARMY_RUGS Althought he doesn't speak to you directly, the Holy Spirit does work his way through prayer, the sacraments, the Scriptures, Tradition, Saints,. The Holy Spirit guides the Church and works within men, he gives us impulses and inspirations. Yes he is mysterious, but YES he is present !

[@Athabrose]

I’m a confessional Lutheran and I love this channel. Thanks for your work Bishop Barron.

[@colinjames9362]

what is a confessional Lutheran ?

[@iloveamerica007]

A what?

[@jennychapman1677]

It was reading of the Documents of Vatican II that led me to begin my journey into the Catholic Church at the age of 70 after a life time as a faithful Protestant.

[@miltrol3d77]

Why is this ?

[@joselongo1601]

@@miltrol3d77 because he read those documents and the holy spirit worked Inside him

[@PInk77W1]

I was debating with a Protestant online recently. He kept telling me all the sins of the Catholic Church in history. Finally I told him, “If u hate the Catholic Church, you must double hate the Bible with all its violence and sin and corruption.” He never talked to me again.

[@janicep1508]

Probably because your argument was so absurd. Comparing evil sins done, condoned, or covered up by the church as equivalent to God's righteous judgment on sinful nations and people is not worth a response.

[@PInk77W1]

@@janicep1508 Bible sin good Catholic sin bad LoL. Thx

[@janicep1508]

@@PInk77W1 you are arguing against yourself. If using the Bible's standard, God would have destroyed the corrupt Catholic hierarchy that sins, and covers up their sins.

[@PInk77W1]

@@janicep1508 did God destroy David ? Did God destroy Peter ? Did God destroy Paul ?

[@janicep1508]

@@PInk77W1 no because they were repentant and their hearts yearned to love and obey the Lord, even with sinful hearts. The Catholic Church throughout history was led by extremely corrupt people who oppressed the people who loved God. But this is a rabbit hole. I was only responding to your defense of the Catholic Church's sins. That's not repentance.

[@phylliscory2105]

Fr, Mike Schmitz at Ascension Press is also working through the Old Testament in his excellent Bible in a Year series. Catholics need sound Biblical instruction.

[@carolinetheberge4671]

Yes! A lot of error, confusion, ignorance, etc. happen without sound teachers whose gift is needed in the church! Gifts take time to grow into, but if done right, will bring about a bounty of fruit that last’s opposed to falling away Catholics and more. God have mercy on us all!

[@stargazer9060]

Yes, this Bible is a year series is phenomenal. Regarding instruction, it's Biblical: Acts 8:30-31 "So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, 'Do you understand what you are reading?' And he said, 'How can I, unless some one guides me?' And he invited Philip to come and sit with him?" Encourage everyone to genuinely seek truth. The Holy Spirit will take it from there.

[@carolinetheberge4671]

@@stargazer9060 well said with scripture!

[@suzannederringer1607]

We didn't get ANY Biblical instruction when I was a kid, pre Vatican II.

[@Sophira1]

In my last year of high school in 1972 (eek) Sister Valerian took us through the Documents of Vatican 11. She was an amazing teacher and we loved those lessons. She taught us how to read Church documents and he wisdom and insights were wonderful. I will always be grateful for her gift to us.

[@TheClomik]

"Allegories of spiritual struggle". This has fundamentally shifted my understanding of these texts. Thank you.

[@marypinakat8594]

*"We must distinguish between what's in the Bible and what the Bible TEACHES."* - Bishop Robert Barron on 'Understanding Violence in the Old Testament.'

[@phocasdesjardins4129]

37:30 - 41:00 battling sin and evil and not playing around with it. I hope in the Lord this exposing of the attractiveness of evil will especially during Lent, be a beacon of light. If evil were not attractive, not one of us would sin. Once one recognizes that subtlety is a big part of the evil delivery system then a person can fight evil more effectively. If you can’t see it in the first place then walking into an ambush is a scary possibility.

[@BrendanBeckett]

He was actually quoting someone else

[@kelechukwuanozyk7605]

@@russellmiles2861 the authentic Bible with 73books, not the adulterated copies all over the place

[@marypinakat8594]

@@BrendanBeckett Indeed. We have a new topic - *'Violence in the Bible'.* Do appreciate your presence. Thanks for the discussion.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@russellmiles2861 The fact is also that it is the *Catholic Church* that put out the *very first Bible.* And the Church has specific directives/guidelines for the right approach/reading of the Bible.

[@johnclark1371]

Philosopher Paul Conan says that we should read these violent passages in the ancient Near Eastern narrative. N.T Wright has also made this point. He says that the narrative was hyperbolic and written as a performance art since most listeners could not read. Phrases like utterly destroy, put to death, totally obliterate were idioms that signify a total victory. This helps to explain why in Joshua 10:40; 11;15 the Canaanites are utterly destroyed, yet in Joshua 23:12-13 the Canaanites continue to be in the land. Putting to death can be taken to mean a victory over sin. This helped me to get past the violence and instead to the message. Thanks to Brandon and the Bishop for another great discussion.

[@iloveamerica007]

So basically an earlier version of alternative facts came from the bible and not trump?

[@marypinakat8594]

@@russellmiles2861 In all probability you aren't aware that it is the Catholic Church that created the Holy Bible. Obviously the Catholic Church is in *position to explain* the Bible as well.

[@partydean17]

I also noticed that clearly the people had survived

[@joshuaeckhardt967]

I cannot imagine how weak minded and gullible one would have to be to truly think like you do. Would you even possess the courage to speak up for yourself if you were wronged? I seriously doubt it.

[@sineadgordon]

This explanation really helped me grasp the allegorical take to the old testament. I also struggled with the question, "did what happen in the Bible ACTUALLY happen or was it entirely symbolic and stories made to help us" this gave me the perfect middle ground of how it happened but was artistically described and used hyperboles.

[@harryoesep3086]

Dear Bishop and Brandon, it’s very illuminating for me personally given l am just a beginner in terms of my relationship with HIM but l am making significant progress in my search for His holy Will. God bless you. Praise the Lord

[@aspiringschizo]

Would love to hear where you're at with your faith!

[@iqgustavo]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📖 Distinguishing between what's in the Bible and what the Bible teaches: The Bible contains diverse texts from different contexts and literary genres, so proof-texting is insufficient for understanding its teachings. 09:19 📚 Reading the Bible with sophistication: The Bible is a complex collection of texts that require careful consideration of historical, literary, and cultural contexts for accurate interpretation. 13:32 🕊️ The role of the Church in biblical interpretation: The Catholic Church emphasizes reading the Bible liturgically and within the context of magisterial teaching and tradition. 16:49 🛑 Rejecting Marcionism: Avoiding the simplistic notion of separating the Old and New Testament gods, and rather reading the Old Testament in light of the New Testament. 20:26 📖 Divine Pedagogy Approach (St. Irenaeus): The Bible represents an ongoing education of humanity, with different stages of revelation appropriate to the audience's understanding. 23:30 🪶 Anthropomorphic language and progressive revelation: The Bible uses language suitable for the audience's comprehension, such as anthropomorphic descriptions of God in earlier stages of revelation. 26:23 🚶‍♂️ The accommodation theory: God accommodates His revelation to human understanding at different points in history, using the language and concepts familiar to each era. 29:36 🕊️ The overarching themes of love and redemption: Despite challenging passages, the Bible's fundamental message centers on God's love, mercy, and the story of salvation. 30:49 🌅 The fulfillment of the Old Testament in the New Testament: The New Testament sheds light on the Old Testament's deeper meanings, revealing its ultimate fulfillment in Christ. 32:06 🧠 Intellectual and moral growth in understanding God: Just as humans develop intellectually and morally, the understanding of God's nature and revelation matures throughout the biblical narrative. 22:49 🌟 Different perspectives on interpreting violent passages in the Old Testament. 23:17 🌌 Gradual revelation: God's evolving self-revelation in the Old Testament. 24:28 📖 Irenaeus' perspective: Old Testament as God and humanity mutually preparing for Jesus' incarnation. 25:38 💬 Reading violent texts as metaphoric expressions of God's power in Israel's development. 26:46 🌞 Progression of understanding from primitive metaphors to the love revealed in Jesus. 27:27 ⚖️ Divine justice approach: God's prerogative to take life away, using secondary causes. 29:43 🛡️ Divine justice approach: Using Israel's armies to express God's justice against wickedness. 31:47 💭 Allegorical approach: Reading Old Testament stories as allegories of spiritual struggle. 33:10 📚 Reading the Bible through the lens of the crucified Lamb of God. 35:13 🔍 Historical sense: Acknowledging the historical grounding of the Bible, though not in modern historical writing style. 39:11 🌍 Interpreting events as theologically elaborated history rather than modern historiography. 44:41 🧠 Carl Jung: Jung's influential ideas, archetypes, and the collective unconscious. 46:07 🤔 Jung's agnostic tendencies and psychologization of biblical language. 47:00 🤝 Balanced assessment: Jung's significance, improvements over Freud, and potential pitfalls. Made with HARPA AI

[@judithamolo8493]

Bishop Barron thank you so much for your evangelization on Tube. I enjoy listening to your teachings and Sunday Summon. God bless you. I pray for you and all the people in Word on Fire .

[@AJKPenguin]

"The New is hidden in the Old and the Old is revealed in the New." "Every scribe who has been instructed in the Kingdom of Heaven is like the head of a household who brings from his storeroom *both* the new and the old." Matthew 13:52b

[@AJKPenguin]

*_Bishop Bob's Big Bible Commentary_* I will buy three copies if that's the title. ; )

[@davidshortino1138]

Thank you for doing a show on that topic Bishop Barron, that was awesome! I’ve been reading the Narrative Books of the Bible and on Luke now. I’ve really enjoyed reading those books. Thanks Dave

[@susankeubar6175]

Thanks Bishop Barron. Looking forward to your book. I want to understand Vatican 2 once and for all.

[@jstenger48]

Wow / What a blessing that message was, Bishop! Thank you! / God bless your important ministry! 🙏

[@clattereffect]

To be honest I was guilty of jumping on the VII bashing train calling for VIII without fully understanding VII, but I took the time and went through some of the documents the Trads were misinterpreting and I've changed my mind since. VII is misunderstood by many Catholics including me. Bishop Barron, I'm glad you've released this book to shed light on such a confusing and misunderstood topic.

[@marypinakat8594]

Thanks for expressing it. Thanks for Commenting.

[@chrispolen2712]

Every time I hear the Bishop speak and explain things, I'm moved. I understand more. Wow.

[@dingbop963]

Moved towards what?

[@user-uc1yb7hy2n]

Thank you Bishop Barron. God bless.

[@Lerian_V]

This will be one of his most watched videos in a couple of weeks.

[@jack_skeean]

How come?

[@marypinakat8594]

@@jack_skeean Incidentally, there are others who agree with the Commenter.

[@moejoe6422]

@@jack_skeean Many critics of religion tend to point out the this topic, and use it as a stepping stone to further prove either a) the christian God is contradictory and therefore doesn't exist or b) religious zealots are psychos if they believe in such a preposterous OT God etc. etc. Nonetheless, if it gets more attention by pseudo-intellectual youtube atheists, it proves the Lerian V's comment. bishop barron did a good job tho :) !

[@stephane184]

Because Fr Mike Schmitz’ Bible in a year podcast is the most popular podcast in the world and currently reading through the book of Numbers and Deuteronomy. 😎 This is why I clicked to watch.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@stephane184 Numbers or Deuteronomy or Genesis to Revelation, and in a year or in a lifetime, from Fr Mike or Bishop Robert, don't forget the 'Christian Character' and remember too that, *"In the evening of life we will be judged on LOVE alone."* (ST JOHN OF THE CROSS)

[@trentrossdale638]

Thank you Father Barron! You have taught me so much and have continually helped me to build my understanding.

[@wendybothma3548]

Thank you Bishop Baron for shining the light of the Spirit onto a very difficult problem. This has helped me so much. God bless you always

[@annettekeyser7167]

Thankyou Bishop Barron and May God Bless You 🙏✝️❤️😁

[@WLynn-su2fs]

"Proof texting." a.k.a. Too little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Thank you, Bishop Barron.

[@dianesmith2880]

L0

[@viciavia]

@@dianesmith2880 ppop

[@veronicalesczynski9939]

Yes, I pray we all believe this & for the whole area of Los Angels county and vicinity because I love that place as my 2nd home on this planet and the ppl and my adult children and gson are there!! ❤️🍀

[@BobJP77]

Thank you Bishop Barron!

[@teddyyoung32]

Beautiful, you make the word "burn" within me....again!

[@andreteixeira5635]

Excellent! Really great class on hermeneutics! Greetings from Brazil!

[@odonnell1218]

The KZbin channel Lutheran Satire did a bit on Richard Dawkins’ objection on God being a moral monster and I loved their response. It was along the lines of “Did you honestly just argue that God doesn’t exist because He’s mean? If being a jerk made you suddenly cease to exist, then every war in human history would have ended the second it started!”

[@1AndreasKendu]

Praise to the lord. And blessings to those who serve in the lord

[@SeptemberApril-io1hi]

The whole presentation by Bishop Barron had my complete focus. What an excellent presentation! Thank you, Bishop Barron and Brandon Vogt!

[@sonjabroodryk5169]

Thanks for publishing the book on Vatican 2. I have pre-ordered a copy from Europe. Sonja, South Africa. Cannot wait. Another wonderful book from Bishop Barron.

[@nathanngumi8467]

Word. Very educative and enlightening.

[@NoemiNuti]

YES PLEASE, we would love a FULL episode on Carl Jung!

[@marciasummers5090]

Thank you Bishop Barron for each of your posts!! They have greatly enriched my life and relationship with God. I feel I have finally found the true church and would join if I could get out and about.

[@vi5264]

Time stamps would be great if possible next time please!

[@marinavavra3543]

Praise be God! TY for such a thoughtful beautiful explanation, some more mud removed from my eyes... Thanks be to God

[@marypinakat8594]

"As Catholics we should read the Bible liturgically and we should read it within the context of the Church, *which means the magisterial teachings of the Church and the long tradition of interpretation."* 15:30f.

[@joshuaeckhardt967]

TRANSLATION: Do not question the dogma, or try to think for yourself. Simply obey and give money like good little sheep.

[@marypinakat8594]

@@joshuaeckhardt967 Credentials any?

[@markorton1844]

@@marypinakat8594 well said 😂

[@brucebarber4104]

@@joshuaeckhardt967, Mary is correct. Jesus started the Church. Jesus chose the leaders of the Church. Jesus gave authority to the Church. Jesus said that when disputes arose to go to the Church for resolution. St. Paul said that the Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth.

[@fides249]

As the first said that the Bible can only interpreted by ‘men (i.e. the Church) moved by the Holy Spirit..’ “First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” (2 Pt 1:20-21)

[@akhin8151]

Congratulations for 4 lakh subscribers Bishop barron. God bless you. Lots of love from India

[@marypinakat8594]

Thanks for your presence.

[@pabloh5884]

Thank you Bishop!

[@michaelbergfeld8751]

Very enriching video again from the world on fire show with it's superior way of explaning as deep as accessable. Similar praise for the si deeply needed reading of Vatican Il that you offer. But i have a little interrogation about a remark on Yung, the listener's question: what's strange about saying: i don't believe in God i know God exists... Shouldn't we hear it more often in some context...

[@kevinrhatigan5656]

400 thousand subscribers! Congratulations Bishop Barron; here's to at least another 400 thousand. Please do sth special to mark the occasion!

[@marypinakat8594]

Great Comment.

[@Autobotmatt428]

Hes projected to have more subscribers then the top atheist youtubers. So I'm hope that continues

[@kevinrhatigan5656]

@@Autobotmatt428 Don't know man; the Cosmic Skeptic has pretty much the same number of subscribers.

[@gerardlaffey8165]

Yes, the violence of the Old Testament is a stumbling block, especially for us baby boomers raised in the late 60s along with following generations who embraced pacifism to various degrees. Interesting in the Wall Street Journal book review section this pass weekend there was a review on "The Bomber Mafia", author Malcolm Gladwell. Now not to give a full summary of the review/book but just to convey something that raised an eyebrow. The firebombing of Japanese cities continued even after the dropping of the atomic bomb on Nagasaki in that short period of time until the end of the war. Rest assured there was minimal dissent within the USA at this military operation. The American people ("greatest generation here") wanted this war won and our enemy vanquished and the war to be over despite the horrible suffering inflicted on our enemy. To be short and to the point, in our human makeup we are not as different as we think from the biblical Israelites who fought "total war" against their enemies. All of humanity needs the Redemptive act of Christ who came to redeem us for our sins.

[@aaabbb-py5xd]

Lol, so you're using Americans as the judge of character? Bitch only a yenk would be so full of himself. I await your exceptionally unique rebuttal recasting what you were doing as whatever else you find more defensible

[@KosmicKitchen]

Its a very useful episode, I have been struggling with the Old Testament too. One remark on the uncompromising and merciless attitude towards sin: reading the Dessert Fathers I think that permanent struggle with temptations has its own pitfalls: pride, feelings of guilt, obsessive thoughts.

[@markcampbell8068]

I thoroughly enjoyed this presentation and I find I am in agreement with all that you say here Bishop. I have a question though, ironically it seems considering the context of your message here, I was tripped up by the direction you took after paraphrasing Origen (I am going to paraphrase your paraphrase here myself) ‘Origen said you have to understand the entire Bible in light of its last book...’ Your discussion then focused on concepts and images detailed in the Book of Revelation... Was Revelation the “last” book in the “Bible” Origen knew?

[@danyoung673]

As a Prptestant and pastor for 50 years I was helped by hermeneutics approach by genre. THANK you.

[@marktaylor2502]

What Bishop Barron is talking about is what I call chronological context. What was the author of a passage of scripture capable of understanding about the natural world and God’s will.

[@danserrano100]

Thank you Bishop, I hope you can discuss Liberation Theology.

[@jenniferflower9265]

I love this explanation.

[@taomovement4677]

wow love how you talk about carl jung, joseph campel, and jordan b peterson

[@peterobilaz5463]

I 'knew' Jordan Peterson through bishop Baron.

[@taomovement4677]

@@peterobilaz5463 awesome! Some of Jordan B Peterson videos lead me back to my catholic faith

[@danglingondivineladders3994]

JBP is overrated imo

[@taomovement4677]

@@danglingondivineladders3994 Yessir he is!

[@ThomasMusings]

Hello Word on Fire Team. Could you please start noting in the description that this is the same as the numbered episodes in the Itunes feed?

[@mathieuL2204]

Truly brilliant! But there's one thing that strikes me : the 3 approaches can be (and ARE) true at the same time. I am surprised there was not more emphasis on this truly important notion.

[@martinecheverria5968]

I agree!

[@robertpoetprince7362]

If I were a catechist, working with either youngsters or RCIA, I would use the first approach as an overview-----painting with a broad brush as Bishop Barron implied. Then I would move on to the third approach for the reason Brandon offered. The second view could be difficult, at first, for many newcomers to the faith because they reject "original sin" -----citing the unfairness of inherited sin from the parents. This was so very clearly presented Bishop-----I wish someone like you had taught my trigonometry class in high school.

[@Seliz463]

You can teach the concept as being about “original deprivation” as Scott Hahn describes it. People tend to understand that our parents cannot give us what they themselves don’t have, which is why often parents who didn’t receive a measure of love themselves will struggle to pass it along to their own children. Original sin can be explained as a lack-a deprivation-of the original grace we had. And since our first parents didn’t have it, they couldn’t pass it along. So we are all born deprived of our birthright, with Jesus coming to restore it.

[@robertpoetprince7362]

I agree. This is an excellent point of view.@@Seliz463

[@Seliz463]

@@robertpoetprince7362 I believe I heard it from a live talk Hahn gave on an episode of Matt Fradd’s channel, Pints With Aquinas, titled “Aquinas and the Unnnatural Law.” I think if you search for something like “Scott Hahn unnatural law aquinas” you’d find it. It’s about an hour and a half long, but every single bit of it is just excellent catechesis!

[@rukusfan1387]

Outstanding point: read the entire Bible through the lens of the atonement - the victory of Christ makes all of it make sense. He is in the first verse and the last verse and throughout.

[@johnkalbert2014]

Praise the Lord

[@sweetkiwicakes]

Thank you for this show! I learn so much from listening to you guys.

Anyone has link to Babylon Bee podcast they have been talking about? I cannot find it so I guess it was not published yet?

[@j.j.b]

Grats on 400k subs :)

[@CalidrisJZ]

According to the Easter Vigil readings (the most beautiful and moving service of the entire year), the Church is the fulfilment of the Old Testament, so it is an integral part of us and we are an integral part of it...

[@lizedmondson293]

I’ve always understood that you can’t take everything written in the Bible literally-it wasn’t written nor meant to be understood that way. In my search for understanding the violence, one answer I heard was ‘God dealt with and through Israel in the only way the people of that time would have understood and/or respected.’ Bishop Barren’s methods of ‘interpreting’ the Bible make good sense to me.

[@YovanypadillaJr]

Any good books on this subject?

[@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro]

In case someone is curious, actually Saint Augustine taught that the comment of that specific psalm with the reference to kill the enemies children to the rock means that the children are the bad works aka sins, the rock is Christ, so we have to kill our sins through Christ. This is the only way to make sense of ALL the psalm and not only one part of it.

[@marypinakat8594]

That's a beautiful Comment.

[@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro]

@@marypinakat8594 Excatly, we have lost the church fathers interpretation of scripture and we are giving a sentimental and naive interpretation of the Bible. When Saint Agustine commented Scripture he always look for the interpretation towards the salvation plan, because history doesn't happen randomly in the Bible, all history is righly ordered towards the doctrine teaching and consummation of time. Usually the children means our works, our enemies are the concupiscence desires and evil spirits. when many generations of sons are cursed it means that sin begets sin.

[@christophersnedeker2065]

@@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro My question is did the original author mean that, kill sins, or did they intend it to mean literally kill babies? If the latter is the alternative does that invalidate the kill sins interpretation?

[@RicardoGarcia-ib8ro]

@@christophersnedeker2065 According to saint Augustine, to kill the sins was the intent meaning of the psalm. Your actions are like your kids. This analogy was also used by Aristotle.

[@jamesgillenkirk5030]

Really good presentation! I'm really intrigued by Origen's reading of the slaughtered lamb as the hermeneutical key for all Scripture, but I can't seem to track down the source. Which one of his writings was this from?

[@janemazzola4454]

What an excellent BIBLE 101 or Appreciation, in understanding! Wonderful discussion! Thank you.

[@howdydavis9016]

Would love to hear the story of St.Michael and his power when prayed to. My church is St.Michaels, Craig Colorado. Ken Davis

[@fatherjeremykucera]

Would you be willing to take a deeper look at the growing trend of radical traditionalism that you've mentioned disturbs you Bishop Barron? What is it, what's fueling it, where did it come from and how do we deal with it? Thanks

[@annewong2715]

The WordOnFire/Vatican II book: does it come in an audio format? For those of us with failing eyesight?

[@margarethhuapcent1270]

For people mostly times was It only for own defense with mercy clear!

[@terryasmus3925]

Can't wait till the mailman brings me my copy "Vatican 2". This book will be a must for everyone!

[@rop2530]

Bishop, once during a discourse on the Theo-Drama, you challenged anyone to find two consecutive pages of the entire Bible, Old Testament or New, without coming across language of God’s anger or God’s judgement. For a fallen-away Christian trying to work their way back to the church, but without access to a Bible scholar or good Bible commentary, that’s quite a bit of challenging language to weed through, don’t you agree?

[@mariefrench44]

I see all three approaches as having their place in Bible interpretation. Great talk!

[@byrnedegrandpre8884]

Still struggling with understanding this issue; this discussion did not do it for me.😊

[@nancyjanzen5676]

You should keep the title Bob"s Big Bible Book.

[@franksinatra5281]

Whatever has happened to the teaching of St Thomas Aquinas in our modern Catholic faith?

[@danjf1]

I love your words of the podcast - ipso facto ^^

[@tangokaleidos1926]

topic starts at 6:58

[@dawnmuir5052]

Thank you for this wonderful overview. One question, How does allegorizing the book of Joshua (for example) now remove the difficulty of worshipping the God depicted there if these things really happened? I assume you mean that we read it as allegory rather than it was written as allegory. Doesn't accepting this means of destruction as God-ordained punishment also become justification for annihilating "evil" people since then and today? Fatwa- style.

[@pinoysarisari7374]

the war in old testament should be understood allegorically and spirtually...it is a spiritual war against sin...a spiritual war in our heart...the fight between good and Evil...That is why ST. Paul depicts a Christian being a Soldier... St. Paul declares... (Ephesians 6:10-17) "10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God." =========================== When we read these words of ST. Paul, we are reminded of the Wars in Old Testament... The wars in Old Testament is symbolic of our Spiritual War... The Old tEstmaent wars are prophetic and Allegorical...

[@dawnmuir5052]

@@pinoysarisari7374 so, these violent OT events never happened?

[@pinoysarisari7374]

@@dawnmuir5052 some happened...some didn't...eventually, it is the interpretation of the Church which will determine which part are allegorical, and which parts are not....We must remember also, that God's temporal punishment in the old testament is also a way in which God is applying mercy and salvation to sinners as St. Paul said... (1 Corinthians 5:5) "hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be SAVED on the day of the Lord." (1 Peter 3: 19--20) "After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits-- to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,"

[@gerarddlima]

no it does not become as a fatwa as they were commands against specific people not open ended against anyone and everyone

[@GlizzyO7]

Thanks Brandon & Bishop Barron very help especially with reading the Bible in a year podcast.

[@paulbeyer7072]

I am the only Catholic among very Christian people working at a homeless shelter. Watching this video helps me realize that proof texting is huge difference between us. The thought occurred to me: if the canon of the bible did exist like the in the early Church history, would God still exist?

[@kyledawson4535]

Catholics prof text just as bad as protestant. In fact some might argue Catholics created it.

[@donnaivy9506]

God always is and was and will be apart from the Bible or entire universe...

[@JesusIsLove2512]

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ 🙏 Mother Mary Pray For Us 🙏Abba Father Bless us and we Adore You 🙏Holy Spirit Guide us and direct our paths 🙏

[@swordofstmichael007]

I have such a high opinion of Origen of Alexandria, the first Theologian and considered as one of the Church Fathers. I have heard that Pope Benedict speaks highly of him as well. During one of the persecutions, he was tortured but did not die until weeks later. I understand that some of his theology was the basis for later heresies but that should be understandable as he was the first Theologian. Its a shame that he is not considered a saint nor a martyr. I think it is an injustice.

[@boroe627]

I love it that you called our lord by his name Yeshua Jesus Christ. I learn so much from you father will you talk to us about the mark of the beast and what this means to us. God bless

[@DM-yt6gq]

Interesting how such a holy man adopts the helio-centric model which is an inversion of the biblical description.

[@DoktorRamon]

Is the translation of "YHWH" "I am who I am" or is it "I am who am."?

[@saraanic9436]

Bishop Barron totally on fire 😄 He sounds like he just came from speaking to Jordan Peterson, MAN.

[@marypinakat8594]

Keep Commenting.

[@ADAM-lw2dk]

BRILLIANT ! A breathtaking panorama ! A true disciple of St John Henry Newman in his groundbreaking SERMONS, ARIANS OF THE 4TH CENTURY and ESSAY ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE

[@samuel0851]

Can you please do an episode on Vladimir Solovyov, the russian religious philosopher, Martin Buber or Johannes Eckhart?

[@soniaaltuzar6191]

thank you

[@raquelcotlinskicanzan2236]

I would like the videos writing in Spanish ! I love homilias

[@jimhunter6795]

The harshest doctrine in the entire Bible is Hell, and it’s not close. The New Testament reveals Hell fully, so the New Testament is far harsher than the Old Testament. There’s still a step change in tone between the Old and New Testaments when it comes to violence etc though. The Augustinian approach described in the video is the cleanest and probably technically correct historically, in my opinion. The problem is that it’s hard to stomach and isn’t nearly as useful for evangelization.

[@PInk77W1]

The Roman Catholic Church The Church is one The Church is holy The Church is apostolic The Church is dynastic The Church is Hierarchical The Church is messy The Church is Mystery The Church is teacher The Church is Mother The Church is universal The Church is sacramental The Church is authoritative The Church is visible The Church is unchangeable The Church is missionary The Church is the Kingdom of God The Church is TRUTH The Church is the bride of Christ. The Church is the mystical body of Christ The Church is in the world not of the world.

[@suzannederringer1607]

In the Easter Vigil readings last week - once again the incident where God commands Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. Ive always wondered - how did Isaac feel about his Dad after that? Bible doesn't go there! I'm guessing Isaac hid or ran whenever Abraham came too close...especially if he was in a bad mood...At the very least, an ambivalent beginning for a 'Chosen People'. .😊

[@robertosanchez4021]

But Bishop, we are all sinners, we can't wipe out sinn of our lives 100%, we try truthfully but we tend to fail...

[@stevierichiemoeller]

A text without a con-text/interpretation is like a fish out of water

[@davidbarocco7027]

Doubt my thoughts will ever get read or discussed. That said, I must respond to Bishop Barron’s Sunday sermon. I am a huge fan of the Bishop, as are my two young local priests. The Bishop used the word attack and violence and imperialism when we, as a follower of Christ, proclaim the only way to the Father is through Christ. We are called to respect and listen to everyone of God’s creatures, regardless of the religion chosen. The Bishop mentioned, if their conscience was followed, then in fact eternal life “may” still be attained without a belief in Christ. To me this idea waters down the core promise from Christ himself. “No one can come to the father except through me”. Ten of thousands around the world are being killed each year because they refuse to acquiesce to a philosophy of getting along. A kind of “I’m ok - you ok” approach to salvation. Just be good and thoughtful and eternal life is yours.. The Bishop is one of the brightest people I have ever followed. No doubt he could poke enormous holes in my take on this. I believe Jesus is divine. I believe God sent Him. I take Him at His word. When He calls me home I do not what Him to say I was on the right track but missed the most important point to His message. I want Him to say “David, I know you - come, let us meet the Father”. Bless to anyone who might read this.

[@dingbop963]

Jesus is a myth

[@donnaivy9506]

​@@dingbop963some reading of ancient history by non Christian will say otherwise. This 'myth' has moved us to profound love, sacrifice , forgiveness, mercy , hope, gratitude..

[@dxyday4276]

Time stamps pls

[@mattsiriani8178]

Why do we have to question war ?

[@normandmaurice3938]

What about the four (4) final beasts and suppose singne for the end of the world