Works Better Than The Original? Majohn V60 VS Omas 360 Fountain Pen

[@origamichik3n]

I just checked the '365 days stationery' store that you mentioned, and they offer this pen with 8 nib options: EF, F, Hand Polished F, Hand Polished M, Long Knife0.6-0.95mm, Long Knife0.8-1.2mm, Long Knife1.0-1.45mm and Long Knife1.2-1.7mm.

[@Doodlebud]

Yeah I added a note in the description. They updated the nib offerings just after I finished recording the video

[@EnCwoisant]

Reuleaux triangles for the win!

[@Doodlebud]

Who would have thought geometry could be cool!

[@surft]

It's so odd and remarkable that a niche pen would be so appreciated by a Chinese manufacturer that they copied it. Someone in the that company must really love pens.

[@mariexlupin]

Super glad to hear the leaking issue hasn't repeated itself! I used to have that issue with a Pilot MR, seemed like every time I uncapped it a vacuum would form and I'd end up with a cap-full of ink. I have really been enjoying my Majohn V60 so far! Getting to try out such an unusual pen shape without having to put the money towards an Omas 360 was a big appeal for me. And I like it so much that I think I'm going to start keeping an eye out for a good deal on eBay!

[@Doodlebud]

@@mariexlupin I have some fun ideas for this pen I'm going to look into 💡😉

[@mariexlupin]

​@@Doodlebud Ooh, very exciting! Can't wait to see what you've got cooking 👀

[@abyss0429]

My Monteverde Ritma has the same vacuum problem with the magnetic cap. I just have to be vigilant whenever I'm using it.

[@loracharis6814]

Tempting. I don’t really think about a grail pen but any of the original Omas would be one my top picks.

[@JefferyHall-ct2tr]

Hi DB! Happy Fountain Pen Day! Ever since you showed the Omas 360 on your channel, I have been wanting one! Now Majohn has allowed me to be able to buy a fascinating pen at an affordable price! THANK YOU for showing it to us. Now I have a Black with gold trim on the way!

[@Doodlebud]

Glad I could help you with your pen hunt!

[@laertica]

Hello Doodlebud, thank you for another informative review and please keep them coming. I want to say that I too have an original Omas 360. I bought it new in Bologna in 1996 when I was a young engineer and the “casa” was still going strong then and I even joined their OMAS Society . There is none of the rattling, looseness or sealing problem in the cap that you mentioned and to this day the cap snaps on with unerring mechanical precision. Perhaps the one you bought was a bit misused (?). I also did buy an Omas Ogiva as an EDC and have enjoyed both pens to this day, into my retirement. I am a subscriber to your channel and appreciate and own many of the affordable modern pens that are being made by Chinese manufacturers at an ever increasing manufacturing quality at very affordable prices. However, while replica/homage pens can give you an idea of what an original would feel like (like you said) , they are definitely two worlds apart. Regards.

[@Doodlebud]

Good to hear yours is better out together 👍

[@Michelt007]

The fun thing about those copies is that it is like playing that newspaper game of "finding the differences" between two images.

[@peterdandyk2342]

Just waiting for mine - Yellow - and now am really pleased I ordered it. Nice review as usual!

[@michaelinsc9724]

Sweet! Really hope they do this in a navy and royal blue. Heck, add a bunch of colors. This is nice!

[@Doodlebud]

Blue would be gorgeous 💙

[@bryanmarsh9886]

I owned an Omas 360 Magnum, but traded it away. I missed it, so ordered one of these with a long knife nib and it should be here in a day or two. I am glad to see this review!

[@LVA22-y1m]

Hope to hear back about how you like that long knife nib! I've been wanting one of those but not sure about it!

[@mhussey]

Another perfect review, thanks so much!

[@Doodlebud]

Glad you liked it

[@lucm6476]

Great review as always. I ordered one last week , can wait to get mine.

[@FountainPenWorld-z4i]

Thanks for the details. I ordered it yesterday with an EF nib I guess and am happy that it's another quality pen from the Moonman stable at a fair price. My 2 cents about copies, straight away copies, inspired by and the likes. The original is the original and the copy is not the original by any means, like the Admok J800 and J 400 vs Pelikan, The Moonman V60 vs. Omas 360 and so many other FP models. Just like I look at it.

[@Sonicman415]

I own a new Omas, the company was bought and the triangolo resurrected. It’s got a #8 nib I think.. ebonite feed, quite lovely. The white is quite groovy. Great vid.

[@JennyEverywhere]

Mark Twain was impressed with the Conklin Crescent because it was a "profanity saving" pen. With the crescent fill system, it can't roll more than about 3/4 of a turn before it hits the crescent and stops. That's the detail that caused Conklin to make Mark Twain their brand ambassador.

[@judyjacobs5827]

Conklin is making crescent fillers again. I got two of them in different materials at a pen show a few months ago.

[@angelomicciulla]

I just picked mine up for Fountain Pen Day. The seller had options for a medium and a stub nib as well as the EF F options.

[@archivist17]

I have exactly the same folding scalpel/knife! Incredible value for money.

[@Doodlebud]

Love that thing! Works like a charm

[@johnhenderson1760]

I love this! When you first introduced the OMAS 360, I really liked that shape, but there was no way I've ever be getting one at what they sell for. I will need to look into this.

[@amyfeigt6715]

I had been doing well not adding any new pens recently, but this one is going in the cart!

[@Doodlebud]

My apologies

[@erro0257]

Regarding your ink incident, I have experienced that but my conclusion was that it was caused by temperature change. I had filled the pen when the pen and ink were in a room that was a bit chilly. I carried the pen in my inside coat pocket and pulled it out to use in a much warmer room. I have not experimented to see if I can repeat the issue

[@Doodlebud]

@@erro0257 mine went from my office, to car, to house so barely any temp change. Last night I legit slept with it in my pocket 😴 and opened this morning and no leak 😁. I try me best to test all scenarios 🤣

[@mrcharon6197]

I saw these and ordered right away. The nibs from the P136 work. I swapped a medium over to mine. I believe you can also purchase the P136 nibs separately. Thanks for another great review!

[@Doodlebud]

I'll have to try that out

[@johnnymontalvo5620]

I usually hate when companies like Majohn make a 1to1 clone, but I like this one because the pen is both discontinued and in demand.

[@MrAndrew1953]

Good video,ordered a MaJohn V60 for the triangular shape. Use a couple of Lamy Aedios/Ideos. Great pen apart from sharp edges on clip.

[@kenblair2538]

Nice, got to have one. Thanks. Happy National Fountain Pen Day (Nov 1) KB

[@nope8535]

Those tabs on the ring for the body also aid in alignment and ensure parts are in spec during manufacturing. Added that feature when I was mass producing parts at a company.

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge 👍. Might even be plastic that is cut into by the band during installation. Either way it keeps it more secure especially since it's down by your fingers so there's more potential for it to come lose over time from use. Smart detail 👌

[@osirisgolad]

That's a mighty quick turn-around from request to video, cheers! Did you notice an unusual amount of slop in the piston mechanism? I guess it can't be much worse than the piston on the real OMAS 360, they weren't exactly built to last.

[@Doodlebud]

People really wanted this video up ASAP so got it done

[@johndevault9030]

I may have to try a V60. I have enjoyed my Staedtler Triplus 747, but it is a little to thin.

[@williamcatalano1762]

Of course the red and gold would be sold out LOL Nice pen for sure for the price!

[@cynthiaalvarado8610]

Thanks for the review, DB! I’ll definitely have to pick one of these up! If you do print the liner cap of the Omas, can you print a few extra so I can buy one off you? My Omas 360 needs one! It’s unusable otherwise

[@Doodlebud]

You too hey! Sucks when a pen just doesn't seal 😒. If I design something that works I'll do my best to make it available

[@judyjacobs5827]

Since metal can make a sharp edge and eventually split when folded, as the triangular band on the barrel would, removing a bit from the fold can minimize that tendency, as well as risk of slicing open the digits of the owner. Could this, rather than snug fit, be the reason the Moonmen improved their design over the original?

[@Doodlebud]

It is possible

[@jodgey4]

Interesting... i wonder if the grip would feel larger or smaller than what I'm imagining. I've moved away from small grips with time. I like the design!

[@Doodlebud]

Tough to say since I have no idea what you're imagining 😂. Hopefully the size comparison helps

[@richardingraham6353]

I have one on order if I ever get it, my Pineider tempi moderni is one of my favorite pens

[@comfyquill]

I might know why you had a leak. I fully disassembled my V60 and found that the o-rings on the nib unit was dislodged and there wasn't a perfect seal (I'm referring to the o-rings that interface the threads on the screw-in nib unit). I removed the o-rings, added some silicone grease, and haven't had an issue since then. I also had no issue removing the piston mechanism. It disassembles like any other piston mechanism except you need to fiddle around with it to get the blind cap to align with the body (not difficult at all).

[@Doodlebud]

Good to hear it went back together ok. I was just repeating what they advised. Some users might struggle getting things aligned causing frustration. For those who feel confident in going at it, give it a go 👍

[@arcajour-i2r]

I bought one in black with gold trim. I'm impressed, especially at this price. Should they ever come out with a medium nibbed version, I'll definitely buy it. The fine nib is okay, it works, but medium will be better suited to my handwriting tastes. Another Moonman triumph, alongside their superb version of the Montblanc Hemingway.

[@Doodlebud]

I posted a link in the description where they have a medium & other nib options too

[@borjesvensson8661]

I have had some piston pens leak on hot days. Basically the flying problem but it is the heat that builds the preassure

[@Doodlebud]

This went from my house to my car to a clients house. Didn't experience any temp or pressure change which was puzzling

[@raclark52]

I have an Omas 360 that I purchased new about twenty years ago. It love the pen but I don't carry it because of the value if it was lost or damaged. So I purchased two of these and they are actually pretty well made so I am pleased. Now I can carry them and if they are damaged or lost I will be unhappy but it will not be a disaster. Great review as usual.

[@Doodlebud]

@@raclark52 Absolutely, some pens you just don't want to risk it. Pretty impressive for the price!

[@Javi_C]

Ooooo didn’t know about this one, thanks for letting us know Doodlebud!

[@eileengoldenberg270]

Cool. I had seen this on eBay.. ordered…

[@heartoflyn]

Opinion question: An early version of a higher-end fountain pen has a cap ring with engraving that is not quite symmetrical, especially compared to its current version. Do you think this makes the pen more valuable (like a coin that was double struck), less valuable (because it isn’t perfect), or doesn’t impact the value either way?

[@Doodlebud]

No idea on that one

[@quinnwhite2415]

What is that demonstrator in the background? Is that a conid? The derlin looks more… textured?

[@tarper-bg8bd]

Good review as always, 365 Days stationary has been my choice for most of my aliexpress purchases, them sending in products to be review is one of the reasons why. Hard to get information on some of these new releases otherwise Is that the Titan by Fifty4T in the background? Interesting to see what you think about that one.

[@Doodlebud]

Yes it is and it's a badass pen!

[@paulmchugh1430]

Do you think those pieces of plastic holding the band on the grip section could also be used to hold the cap in place when the pen is capped?

[@Doodlebud]

Nope, the cap is held in place by the profile at the very end of the section fitting into a groove inside the cap liner 🤓

[@mcw1593]

I recently started catching up on pen news after a very long time away and I was very surprised to see that Omas went through a closure and change of hands. Even more surprised that they're not making the 360 anymore.

[@totallylegit2068]

new omas isnt the best, if you want omas buy vintage

[@judyjacobs5827]

@@totallylegit2068 Same is true of other "zombie" pen brands.

[@ironmic9244]

@@totallylegit2068 New omas is in name only. Has none of that OMAS soul.

[@ironmic9244]

I knew at some point you might get this for comparison. I will watch this under protest :P

[@meepmorprobotcaptain]

@doodlebud Sorry to be slightly off topic, but what's that beautiful gray pen directly above the grip section of the V60 at 6:31 ? It looks incredible

[@justinl5327]

And the metal capped pen in the far right pocket of the pen case! I'd like to know what that one is as well

[@Doodlebud]

The Titan pen from Fifty4T

[@meepmorprobotcaptain]

@@Doodlebud Thank you so much! It's beautiful, I hope you enjoy it greatly.

[@paulmchugh1430]

I forget when the 360 was released, perhaps around 2000. Omas spent $5,000,000 in development. The retail price when it was introduced was very high to me. I decided to opt for the ballpoint. Now, the price is even higher for the fountain pen Shortly after its release, Omas announced it was folding up. It did not recoup the cost of the 360. I am usually not a fan of triangular grip pens. What I found is the concave design of the grip. This pen's section is convex and rounded on the sides, making it more comfortable for me to use. I have the V60 in my cart. I didn't buy it as I wanted to see a review of it. I will get the fine nib as I have found them to work very well with little if any adjustment needed. I do wish MaJohn made a softer nib. I wonder if the Hong Dian soft nib will fit.

[@ironmic9244]

The 360 was released in 1996, and OMAS folded in 2016.

[@paulmchugh1430]

@ironmic9244 thanks for the clarification

[@ym10up]

I've drooled over OMAS 360 for years. Saw two in mint condition at the Scriptus last Sunday, $2,200 CAD each 😢 I did get to hold it though

[@ironmic9244]

I saw them. They were limited editions and some of the last 360s, OMAS made. Those 2 were were more common but there was a third one that looked black, but was really a smokey purple and chased with a criss-cross pattern.

[@spiderwrangler4457]

P60 sounds as close to 360 as V60 does... but is a Pelikan pen they are maybe wanting to avoid issues with?

[@jakesong266]

5:00 I do expected to use inner cap for 360 though..😢

[@iiisaac1312]

You can prevent round pens from rolling off without the cap. Just glue something like a fishing weight to the side.

[@Doodlebud]

Not sure if I want to glue a weight on the side of very expensive pen 😬

[@judyjacobs5827]

There are roll stops that slide onto the pens. Various styles from various makers, some are adjustable. A few pen companies offer accessory roll stops and clips. A few clipless, round pens in my folders have gotten a child-size finger ring that keeps them off the floor.

[@iiisaac1312]

@@Doodlebud You're right. The glue might degrade over time. It would break off, then your pen would roll off the desk and get damaged. It might be better to use epoxy, a plastic welder, or even a screw.

[@jkatkat7950]

very odd -my red version has those tabs on the cap and section band..but only on 1 of the points of the triangle rather than all 3!!

[@Doodlebud]

Hmm, might not be a feature but potentially plastic being cut back from the ring being pressed on

[@basketmaster2777]

I have a question. I'm new to the fountain pen thing. I'm using two safaries for 3 months now. Love them but i want something new. From the pens in the description that you like which ones would you recommend the most. Like top 3 ot them and are they better than the safari. Sorry for the yapping 😅

[@basketmaster2777]

I really wanna try something with more flexibility than the lamy nib or of not flexible at least smoother

[@Doodlebud]

Try watching this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/o32pg3Vph55rirc

[@JSGilbert]

For under $40 USD? I just ordered on in the yellow and chrome. Thanks!

[@quinnobi42]

I kind of wish I had a pen like this several months ago when I was re-learning my handwriting. It would have forced me to use a "proper" grip. Not that I think it necessary for good handwriting, but the way I hold pens is pretty nonstandard and not the most comfortable for long periods of writing, but I feel like it's too late to try and learn to hold the pen differently. (When I said re-learning handwriting earlier, what I meant was that my handwriting was pretty crap, so I decided to start from scratch and learn cursive. Not that I didn't know how or forgot how to write by hand.)

[@Kevinjimtheone]

When you grease it with the Q-tip, and it's sufficiently lubricated, is it ok to ink the pen right after or do you need to somehow wipe the internal structure of the piston?

[@Doodlebud]

I would run the piston up & down several times first

[@DOC_7]

What desk mat are you using?

[@Doodlebud]

It's called a "healing pad" from Princess Auto up here in Canada. But lots of places carry them

[@RealHogweed]

14:40 Wait, isn’t the section a reuleaux triangle? It should be a constant width shape :D

[@Doodlebud]

It is but it has a angle to it. Narrow at the front and wider in the middle until it narrows and meets at the end

[@tarechavaleta]

I ordered one and the piston cap didn't close properly.

[@sarreqteryx]

those tabs on the section ring don't look intentional to me, they're not even enough. one is long er than the other, and one is wider.

[@Doodlebud]

It could be material cut and peeled back from the band being pressed on. Might be an intentional feature, might not be

[@MrAndrew1953]

What was the model name of the Pineider 3 sided pen you did a video on? Thanks

[@Doodlebud]

@@MrAndrew1953 Modern Times

[@MrAndrew1953]

@ Thanks for that. I did find your video. It’s still an innovative and interesting pen. Do you still have,use your pen?

[@theheathen100]

I had to order the pen. The price was too good.

[@caseyjp1]

That is a nice pen. As an over-writing lefty, the triangular barrel doesn't work well for me, but I WISH they did. (Heh.) The other problem is that for as much as I LOVE Majohn's pen designs, I have grown to NOT like their nibs. Could be just luck of the draw, but 3 out of 5 duds ordered plus serious work needed on the A1's default just to get it to write properly does NOT inspire confidence. IMO, Jinhao schools Majohn in the nib department. (Still drooling over my my heartbeat nib on the 9013. 😀)

[@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564]

Is the band cracked? At 10:55?

[@Doodlebud]

That's a fiber from a clothe or something like that

[@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564]

@Doodlebud at least you know I was paying attention.

[@edclevel402]

"dead nuts" 😎

[@Doodlebud]

So satisfying to conventionally turn a part on a lathe and have it right on spec. "This one is dead nuts"

[@mcrriowa]

Good video as always Doodle!! Followed your link and it was 23.99 on Ali. Then I logged into Ali and it changed to 30.99. 365 store said it was an intro for new customers, trying to mimic cell companies I guess. Shear principal and my stubborn attitude, I didn't need to support them anyway!

[@Doodlebud]

I think it's an Aliexpress promotion for new buyers. They get a deal on their first Aliexpress purchase as an incentive. Lots of companies do it to attract new customers. Not uncommon for retailers (in store or online) to have incentives for new & returning customers.

[@limmoblack]

Aww, no reverse writing?

[@Doodlebud]

@@limmoblack Reverse writing is luck of the draw. These aren't tuned for regular & reverse. If you get one that works good in reverse you got lucky. True for most nibs out there

[@hiltonprice2625]

Thanks!

[@Doodlebud]

Thanks so much!!!!

[@davideselmin8018]

How can it be better than the original ? Omas' founder will haunt you for the rest of your life 😂

[@Doodlebud]

It's ok, I'm a heavy sleeper 😴

[@IAmLiryx]

Noice 🔥

[@ichirofakename]

Intellectually I am fine with this copy GIVEN that the original is no longer manufactured. But my heart still whispers "This is wrong". I had the same reaction to the Jinhao 82, except that I wanted it, so I bought 4. So don't accuse ME of being a man of character.

[@Doodlebud]

I hear ya, rubs me the wrong way initially. But anytime there is a successful product competitors take notice. Some make their product similar to the original, some make it VEEEEEERRRFY SIMILAR to the original. I always think of the V Groove tire tread. One of the big manufacturers came out with it first, then shortly after everyone else has the same thing on their tires.

[@ichirofakename]

@@Doodlebud My example is the iPhone. Remember how phones used to have keyboards?

[@Doodlebud]

@ichirofakename Yup absolutely. Everyone loved iPhone when it came out, now no matter your brand, it's based on iPhone

[@sajjadhusain4146]

I have the white (Iceberg) OMAS 360. Fabulous pen, all round. Thrilled to have bought it around 2 years ago. I’m not the least bit pleased to see this Chinese rip-off replica of the original.

[@ironmic9244]

I hear ya. To play the wet blanket, it can look like a 360 all it wants, people bought OMAS for the nib. Granted, I have not written with it, nor any other Mahjon (whatever), so be that as it may, I don't find clones terribly exciting.

[@sajjadhusain4146]

@ I never quite liked Chinese rip-offs of the great originals. Somehow, I’ve grown to detest them even more now than ever before. I clicked out of sheer curiosity but didn’t watch this video, in full. Went back to get hold of my real deal OMAS instead. 🙂

[@UndeadCrabstick]

Last time I was so early I had a punchline for a joke.

[@loracharis6814]

Tempting. I don’t really think about a grail pen but any of the original Omas would be one my top picks.