WORLD RECORD: Highest Level Ever in NES Tetris Competition

[@MonthlyTetris]

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[@SkylerFallow]

I mean, this is the best series ever played, right? For me at least, this blew Joseph vs Greentea out of the water, not just in terms of level of play, but how entertaining it was. Fractal looks like he's having the time of his life, and Dog seems super chilled even while getting back-to-back killscreen tetrises. Also, loved the sportsmanship, big respect for Dog for taking the loss graciously after playing a series that would beat just about any other player on just about any other day. Congrats Fractal!

[@joshuasharrock466]

Yeah, when Fractal made the Tetris on level 47 and everybody yelled... These two really highlighted a great community

[@NollyRS]

Joseph vs Greentea isn't even close, apart from the spectacle of it. Classic Tetris has come so very far since that tournament was played

[@SkylerFallow]

@@NollyRS In terms of level of play, obviously that is true. In terms of entertainment though, I'd still rank that one near the top, just because of how exciting it was, the players' personalities, etc. Fractal actually reminds me of Greentea quite a lot - he always seems like he's super happy to be there, and can be quite emotive in tournament play. Maybe that's why I always find myself rooting for him.

[@gamblerfls]

I agree. Sportsmanship is also present here and it's just another level of gameplay these days, even when it comes to hypertapping.

[@richardpike8748]

I know this is such an odd remark to make about your comment, but I simply like how you put double spaces in between the sentences. Very cool.

[@anonnymouse8102]

Dog: gets rollover and is 350,000 pts ahead. Fractal: keeps singling forever

[@chimyshark]

legend has it...

[@lcppproductions7910]

@@Arrica101 The elimination of the kill screen as a hard deadline is a really weird development for the game as a competition. Just a couple years ago, if one player got to 29 with a 1.3M, and another player transitioned with like 900k or smth, the 1.3 player would basically be guaranteed to win. But now because of how the scoring scales on post 29 levels and the possibility of infinite chase-downs, there's less reward for risky play. While it's true that only a handful of elite players like these 2 are consistent enough to make it happen, that number will only rise in coming years. You can argue as to whether this is good or bad for the game, but regardless it's just not the same game.

[@AntoshaPushkin]

@@Arrica101 maybe not line cap, but e.g. every level post 29 pieces start spawning lower and lower so that eventually you have no time to move them and top out

[@MrForentu]

@@Arrica101 New Technique = New Standard = New Gameplay = New Competition ... But so much fun to watch :D

[@MrGregnsk54]

Respect to dog for not dragging this out and playing exciting tetris. Fractal made me lose interest and fast forward to see that he won every time by singling... meh

[@haidara2864]

I could never have imagined that a game that had been stuck at level 29 for decades would now compete at 40 in the last few years.

[@probium2832]

now it's broken. we're four times past 40

[@Micah_gb]

We rebirthed

[@gamblerfls]

Dog took some risks, but that's how Tetris is. Amazing performance from both players, best live finals ever.

[@chiatriani]

Dog takes tons of risks and it usually pays off because his spatial recognition is superb, allowing him to have multiple solutions for whatever issues he is facing. Level 29+ has little room for error though and Fractal's safety first strategy won due to that.

[@letsjam19795]

Wish Jonas was around to see this.

[@SamsarasArt]

I never thought I'd see someone rollover the score and still lose. The level of competition is mind blowing

[@buraks.4463]

17:07, 17:26 Seeing fractal enjoying these moments is awesome

[@conoredwards4423]

Reminds me of Green Tea

[@EddieOdora]

this channel deserves to be bigger the talent on show is insane.

[@jasonphillips1822]

28:15 is the must watch moment. Congratulations to dog and Fractal and a huge shout out to Vandy for providing an opportunity for these players to compete live. Wow!

[@oldmenwithnewguns5997]

LET'S GO

[@Pundit2k]

Dog: Ahead by 500k. Fractal: yeah, but watch this single

[@blaupunkt1221]

Wow! I remember the days where a maxout was something very special and now you need a level 60 and a 1.6 to win a single heart :D Insane!

[@MrForentu]

Rolling technique really changes everything. So proud to witness all developments in past 6 years. New Legend always appear out of nowhere .... and now WR goes up to 4M !!!

[@JustinEvertrip]

Two of my favorite Tetris players. So happy I caught this moment live!

[@1257Dark]

I love how Dog did a left well Tetris on kill screen and the game was so out there it doesn't get mentioned afterwards.

[@mauricioguerra1794]

I'm very grateful for you guys providing my daily fix of Tetris, but I really wish we could have interviews or other forms of content such as compilations. May be joining twitch for the next finals!

[@MonthlyTetris]

Check out Community Chronicles! I’ve heard word that Episode 3 has been filmed: CTM Community Chronicles kzbin.info/aero/PLW5jvZ_WNn6DAw4wU-xyhls_KqGWpglKG

[@tommj4365]

The "Let's GO" had me laughing so hard. So frickin exciting! I really needed that too. Thanks for the amazing entertainment EVERYONE!

[@anttiaarnio9851]

I don't know why, but Vandy has ability to make these matches really entertaining! Hands down to Vandy!

[@compulsoryevacuationdevice]

36:21 - 37:00 "I was watching your game more than my game" -Dog 😂

[@kinexkid]

Man if Fractal got that final t piece instead of the square first he would've won the game on a perfect clear!!

[@vandypants]

Listening to my poor strained voice is making my throat hurt again.

[@ThorkilKowalski]

Double rollover!!!

[@jasonphillips1822]

Hope you’re feeling better. Glad you got to call it.

[@vandypants]

People's voices often get raspier as they age, so maybe this is a preview of how I'll sound when I'm 65

[@jasonphillips1822]

@@vandypants tell me about it. I’m going to be 40 in two years. 😭

[@tommj4365]

I loved the commentary, for me the slight raspyness wasn't noticeable or distracting at all. Hope ur healed up soon if not already

[@dylanhill4428]

19:07 struggling not to say "monkaS" again These games are so nuts and being live adds that hype right back in. I cannot BELIEVE that dig Fractal went through!

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

When Fractal achieved colors and before he started winning CTM, I declared him the next CTWC winner. Don't let me down Fractal!

[@SamsarasArt]

He's one of the best in the world. I think he's a strong contender to win ctwc too

[@DanielSong39]

Yeah my power rankings would be something like this 1. PixelAndy (if controller is fixed) 2. Fractal 3. Dog 4. Huff AlexT is the most likely to join this list if he improves his rolling

[@andrewqi6695]

made the finals, won ctwc next year tho

[@tuginwho]

Interesting that they changed the name of the tournament from Classic Tetris Monthly to World Records

[@sd67b]

*boom tetris for jonas

[@scalperbot]

*boom tetris for Jeff

[@jf275]

I was greatly entertained by this, well done both of you, my favorite lost, but well deserved win and totally earned that victory, kuddos!

[@fractal161]

guess what my thoughts on linecaps are

[@mauricioguerra1794]

I'm not going to guess but I do agree with your opinion on it.

[@foiledthrice]

The anti-gerald of opinions

[@andTutin]

MOAR LINES

[@sunnyday8300]

"Once someone invests the time into doing it, then we'll ban it" is the worst modus operandi ever. I've been advocating for line caps since May 2021, and I know you've been advocating it for a while too. It sucks that it took so much of your time and energy to actually prove your point, but massive props to you for actually going through with it and doing it. If they add line caps, the NES Tetris community owes you a huge apology.

[@PanchoKnivesForever]

Versus a “Double Kill Screen”? Where at some point post-29 there is a second kill screen with pieces falling at an even faster rate? Why not just continue the in-game progression of faster drop rates (that arguably inspired Rolling in the first place…)? What do you think?

[@bulasturubula3660]

Great upgrade in commentary level when the game became tensed up, I really appreciate that

[@jaredshaffer3901]

Very cool that they are scoring this high, but it's not very fun/exciting to watch someone single/double out a chase down of 400k+. Tetris competitions need some sort of rule that keeps competitors aggressive with their scoring.

[@barakobama8194]

Seriously. At least dog went for Tetris post 30

[@katomagoolalatif3811]

The level of precision and accuracy on placing the blocks with high efficient disaster coverup. It's indeed the best quality of the game. The competition is put to a very high challenge.

[@rsoxboy]

It's probably time for CTWC to implement some kind of rule like tiebreaks in tennis. Otherwise there's a risk games in this year's tournament can drag out for a very long time, and that will probably damage the growth of the game. I'd suggest something like first to rollover the score wins automatically. Taking nothing away from Fractal here because his consistency a digging ability might be best in the world right now, but watching players line it out on level 29 will get boring to viewers very quickly. Tetrises on killscreen are mega to witness and I think the organizers of tournaments need to reward players for taking the risk.

[@rsoxboy]

Just to add, this suggestion is looking forward into the future. With the rate players are progressing with their rolling technique, I don't think it will be too long before we have dozens of players capable of lining out for an extended period on killscreen. Maybe CTWC this year should stay as is, but CTWC 2023 should seriously think about it if this year's tournament has some games drag out for a while.

[@vandypants]

We are looking to possibly test a linecap-ish solution in Masters for September (basically a twice-as-fast killscreen on level 39 or 49.) But that would be just a one-month trial. Probably too early to permanently mess with Tetris, but in 2023 almost certainly.

[@tommj4365]

I love the idea of "first to roll over" wins.

[@mygchurch7220]

I think it wouldn’t be boring to see people play live for hours and hours and hours after all those type of players who can do that will eventually become really good at making Tetris’s all the time too. You can’t make a rule for less play.. The. it just becomes a talent match for your rule

[@violinche7489]

Watched live but commenting here in hopes to make this video viral because it deserves it

[@AkAtu_]

Propably the best tetris match ever seen

[@abcd9032]

About line cap: here is a simple suggestion that may lower or even negate the need to use such a tool: simply, at kill-screen, change the scoring method: double the points for a triple, and double (or even triple) the points for a Tetris. (Or maybe use some other multipliers)

[@PanchoKnivesForever]

Your rule makes WAYYY MORE SENSE than a line cap - Reward the gameplay style you want instead of disallowing styles you don’t want. What about when players get 60+ line droughts or much longer droughts Post-29? Although somewhat uncommon, it’s still something to consider. If we add a line cap, that would prevent scalers (line-out players like Fractal) from reaping the benefits of their efforts in post-29 line drought situations, which would be unfair, right? Whereas implementing an increased points multipliers for post-29 Tetrises, for example, will lead more-aggressive players to continue their strive for better aggro play post-29 because of the much larger Tetris benefits, while players like Fractal will naturally tend towards more aggressive gameplay due to the much larger Tetris benefits being awarded, too, and BOOM! There you have it, culture that promotes aggressive gameplay.

[@piplup10203854]

Geezus that game 2 by dog holy moley!! That score is insane! He did that live! 😦

[@kasanova749]

No line cap! Dint do it! You don’t have incredible moments like this! The amount of consistency and concentration needed for chase downs is crazy! Noooo line cap!!!

[@biggiemac42]

Bro the legendary double rollover game had a 57 piece drought at level 19-21 that both weathered like champions. Imagine how the game has evolved to where that is a mere inconvenience to these guys

[@Nil-js4bf]

I remember watching Joseph Salee back in the hypertap days. Hilarious how an innovation in tapping technique has made post kill screen viable for more players. Edit: just watched Fractal go to Level 60 and I can see why some people want a line limit. If more and more players are able to survive on kill screen, the game will devolve into a stamina game and the importance of taking risks will become non-existent.

[@EvidentlyFire]

So now we have level 39 tf

[@mygchurch7220]

Man the way I played Tetris in the 80s if anybody even spoke while I was playing and I misdropped I would punch the person in the shoulder for making me lose a game. And here we have the announcer shouting and yelling the whole time with everybody else panicking and yelling it’s quite an accomplishment for these 2GOATS

[@PeterJavi]

Also note, both are screenlooking and having a casual conversation with eachother from time to time, while in an environment that was already noisy, even without Vandy being hype.

[@DMETS519]

@ 25:24. Big highlight sequence by Fractal. You must see.

[@pendulum8506]

Dog has better skills and techniques, but fractal outstrategized dog by playing safely post lv29. I believe if dog adapts this kind of playstyle he can still win the tournament

[@Owen-bk5fc]

Fractal choosing not to mullen after the rollover because he's just so hyped is so wholesome

[@aytugvehbiaydemir1942]

What happened in round two showed us that when somebody tops out, there has to be a time limit for the other player to catch up in live tournaments too, just like in Tetris Effect. The game is called Tetris and going for Tetrises even in kill screen should be rewarded. Current format encourages players to line out and since most pros can easily play kill screen these days, not having a time limit kills the joy a little bit.

[@quantumastrologer5599]

Don't think calling for quick remedies is the way to go.

[@juanfrankoferdishenko232]

Boom, Tetris for Dog!!!! But Fractal wins. LOL!

[@budgetcoinhunter]

All these people mad at Fractal and wanting artificial limits put in place probably can't even last past level 12 or 13. Try to play at even level 18 or 19 and last, _then_ come back and make those arguments. FWIW, I dearly _love_ 20g speed in Tetris 99, and even I couldn't last at 18/19 on NES, so I say just let it rock.

[@unwise6518]

Seems like Fractal is gonna win CTWC, and then we'll see about adding a line cap in 2023? I think he deserves to be world champ this year for completely breaking the game, but afterward I would love to see rule changes that reward aggressive play.

[@blentikalaja9578]

Its 3 times in a row that fractal Beats dog ..Need to change the strategy against fractal, Just try to survive its the next go

[@huehuetecti6115]

Rewatching this and Fractal really makes it clear that humans were always persistence hunters :P

[@pickle_spears]

I’m anti line cap because that was the most exciting and intense chase down I’ve ever watched

[@tommj4365]

Yea please no line cap any time soon, it's just too fun watching the test of endurence. When games consistently drag on for 30 minutes after roll over maybe then will need it?

[@georgiyosipov4809]

22:48 awesome combinations from Dog on 36'th level O:

[@bliv2575]

I’ll be honest and say I was going for Dog as he always impresses me but fractal. Wow. Even though he had a hiccup and lost a game, I don’t think anyone was beating him this time, he was on fire. Well played. Thoroughly enjoyed this match. Keep em coming! 👏

[@probium2832]

And then the CTWC happened that year. The final round, game three. This was a 43-60, but the CTWC match was a 73-69. Which means the combined level, 103 here, was 142 there.

[@bonsaicircus9704]

This is yet again one of the greatest matches ever played in classic tetris. glad to see this community grow

[@ThorkilKowalski]

@vandweller: love your work. Missed you when didn't comment the last couple of CTMs. Maybe consider getting a mute button if you need to cough or sneeze? And also sell merchandise to capitalize of CTM's success!

[@MonthlyTetris]

We're glad he's back too. And we sell merch! merch.streamelements.com/monthlytetris

[@vandypants]

By the time I knew I needed to cough, it was already happening. Hopefully it's not too distracting for you. I did my best to get through it with minimal annoyances. Also, I wasn't sick, just in case people thought I was spreading germs. I had had Covid a couple weeks prior, and had some residual hoarseness. It was aggravated by lack of sleep that weekend and doing a lot of talking and shouting the day before. But I was perfectly healthy and non-contagious.

[@hisbassness]

@@vandypants Doesn't bother me! I'd like to second that I missed your commentary too!

[@tommj4365]

Vandy was great!

[@ThorkilKowalski]

@@vandypants I didn't mean to imply you were contagious or not well.

[@transience242]

this is incredible - probably the greatest chasedown I can think of in Tetris, and could probably compare favorably to other big competitive games too.

[@malinu1869]

16:24 what a brilliant play. He will forever be my GOAT!

[@dillonfreed]

The two best heavyweights going at it! Awesome…. Great job guys. Dog’s Tetris-ing in the After Life screens is unreal and Fractals consistency and digs are insane. (Also, anyone else have the feeling Joseph is secretly getting ready for a rolling comeback?)

[@andTutin]

he streams from time to time. and his rolling doesnt look great

[@mukburbur696]

Joseph doesn’t seem too motivated which is a bummer, last he streamed he said he was very bored of tetris

[@DanielSong39]

PixelAndy had a controller issue, when he's on he's the best

[@jakel7213]

@@mukburbur696 Plus he just started college, so he likely can't put near as much time into practicing as he used to.

[@sunnyday8300]

@@mukburbur696 Not surprising, the lack of line caps has made obsolete the playstyle that he invested all his time into honing. In that situation, I wouldn't be too motivated either.

[@potencial-media]

A wonderful game! I've been waiting for this video. I applauded at the monitor

[@jimmerseiber]

Dog so good hes watching both screens while playing.

[@osmeridium]

Fractal channels the energy of greentea

[@tentadek9355]

Just by seeing total video time of 53 mintues I knew this will be intense. But I never could have expected such brilliance as Game 2. Successful 400k points chasedown, double rollover and a bunch world records. Anyone open to listing all records broken?

[@coalbucket9383]

Maybe not all WR's but here's all that I know of Live Combined score WR 3.2 Highest losing score (live and online) Highest non-mullen score (live and online) Combined level wr (live and possibly online) Highest live score If anyone knows of any WR's not listed then feel free to add them in a reply.

[@PeterJavi]

@@coalbucket9383 In order of confidence: Highest live score (100%) Highest succesful chasedown (90%) Highest post post in comp (40%)

[@coalbucket9383]

@@PeterJavi highest post post in comp was when Andy got 2.1 in June(?) This would be highest live post post

[@Johnnisjohnnis]

The Tortoise and the Hare

[@Harp00nX]

Fractal is a class player but man there needs to be a line limit brought in. Watching a chase down with doubles and singles for 180 lines is pretty tedius now that we are so used to seeing 29 play. It won but I will always support Dog more as he is constantly going for the Tetris, which makes it so much more exciting to watch.

[@liam3284]

Dog is the first player I saw pull off setting up tetrises deep into the kill screen.

[@hiromichael_ctranddevgames1097]

Dog insane lvl 29 is letal, fractal is amazingg consistent

[@peterboneg]

That game may result in a rule change or a new game mod for future competitions I think.

[@messiahshow]

I agree dog should win that 100%, no offence to Fractal I know why he does it but the game need to be entertaining also which dog understand. We can't have a bunch of cowards singling forever to catch up.

[@peterboneg]

@@messiahshow It also makes the level 18 and 19 play completely irrelevant. I find myself skipping 18 and most of 19 to get to the part that matters.

[@messiahshow]

@@peterboneg Yeah it's sad evolution right now. We also have the dying of the old techniques since they can't compete at all with rolling.

[@Whale_Tales]

what about a mod that makes it about 100 lines of level 29 speed then a speed increase so that pieces drop 2 rows per frame?? a killscreen plus if you will?

[@messiahshow]

@@Whale_Tales They could take an average time past kill screen and come up with a time limit that is reasonable. That way players would be more pushed to hard drop pieces also early to maximize score before timer is out. Which will help to make level 18 more exciting to watch as well. Something to think about which solution would be most fun for players also at the different stages as well as watching for viewers.

[@jayyou6125]

this shows how important it is for a man to last long.

[@gustavo31313131]

Bruh I just searched Tetris since 2016 after the boom Tetris for Jeff meme. Gotdamn these kids are absolutely crazy. Level 60?????

[@neutralrobot]

That chasedown was legendary, holy shit.

[@Hamsda77]

What a crazy match, holy moly!

[@pieman3141]

You can't even blame Dog for losing. Who rolls over AND loses?? Dog, apparently.

[@Doremon0711]

Jonash is a legend. And if he didnot retire, the legend will be killed be lots of young player now

[@agenciasimplify2591]

Jonas died bro

[@hiicubemathbfdiandstack]

‘fractal with the live curse words’ :p

[@melaniatrump2166]

it destroys the credibility of this sport when the commentator is spending half the time discussing his hydration level and questioning y he even keeps commentating on this

[@simo6927]

One is an SP500 type of person, the other is AMC type of person

[@plalondecai]

The second match was the best match ever i have seen.

[@osmeridium]

"or whatever year you're in." what does that even mean vandy

[@Theodevabe]

Amazing match. What is a rollover?

[@annabellethorpe2542]

Nestris can only track 6 digits of score. Since score is saved in base-16 once score exceeds F00,000 (16,000,000 in decimal) it rolls over to 000,000 cause it can’t display 1,000,000

[@Theodevabe]

@@annabellethorpe2542 thank you

[@AdamVrbas]

I'm happy from NES Tetris!

[@messiahshow]

Dog is superior player, fractal plays so safe and boring and is the reason they need a chase down timer of max 1 minute. When dog played so good and did Tetrises non-stop being chased down forever by someone doing singles and doubles is ZZzzz... Good game though but Dog won in my eyes, time to change the rules before this turn into a snooze to watch.

[@AlexCottle]

I gotta agree. Top talent, no doubt, but as a spectator sport, its way more exciting seeing risks taken at that level. I would imagine that, for top tier players, singling and doubling indefinitely after 29 is going to be- well not trivial- but much more common. Part of the appeal of CT (in previous times) is that eventually there is an end (29) so you have to take risks and play optimally. Rolling has done away with that. It allows for much slopier/unoptimized stacking with a greater chance for recovery. It is what it is, but I do find my interest waning with these types of finishes. I don't blame the player- if I were in Fractals shoes, I'd probably do the same. But Dog is way more exciting to play. I think they should hard cap at level 39.

[@WriteWordsMakeMagic]

Fractal was proving a point that they needed a double kill screen

[@PKMNwww411_MkII]

"LET'S FUCKING GO!" - fractal161 Double rollover. Wow!

[@johnathanbanner3841]

imagine if the last tetris match you watched was before rolling was implemented and then you randomly decided to watch a match and this was the video you cilcked. also idk why but when ever dog is playing i cant do anything but watch his board

[@Gand4lf2]

Is there not a killing screen anymore?

[@MonthlyTetris]

The players do the killing now. Our recent tournaments feature a double speed killscreen inserted at level 49/39

[@SamsarasArt]

Holy shit how many world records did game 2 smash?

[@madcapprof]

When players score 200+ lines after "killscreen" and 600,000+ points after "maxout", do those terms still mean anything!!

[@toti1239]

Playing a game named Tetris without attempting any Tetrises!! What the fuck dude!! Playing singles all the time seems kinda dull, like there's no fun or fairness in it! NO HONOR!! Props to dog for keeping the game exciting!!

[@huehuetecti6115]

When Fractal plays no lead is safe :P

[@aner_bda]

I love seeing that this was live, but not going to lie, I miss the Flexstyle music.

[@GDLutz]

Do they always get the same tetiminoes to start? Is the whole block sequence the same?

[@MonthlyTetris]

Yes! We use a special patch to make sure both players in Masters receive the same piece sequence.

[@AndrewLaw87]

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME

[@МаркАдамов-ч1с]

Ну супер игра!фрактал молодец,но Догу просто немного не повезло.Не огорчайся,парень!Ты крут!

[@georgiyosipov4809]

The mistake ripped Fractal on 41:54 and the same had Dog on 52:05

[@viqala9159]

Can someone explain rollover to me? I dont watch these championship videos regularly so i cant put my finger on it exactly unfortunately. Thanks in advance

[@MonthlyTetris]

scoring over 1.6 million resets the score counter to zero, as the game can't store a higher score

[@РифмовыйГеймер-ш8х]

Это просто Космос что вытворяют эти ребята It's just Space what these guys are doing

[@guillaumeguez6693]

They killed tetris but they really killed Tetris show, no one want to see line by line, rules have to change . Like a marathon, we ll should stop at 230 lines

[@Ialliac]

I don't want to diminish Fractal's achievement, but the game is called Tetris...not singles and doubles.

[@MattPawlowski]

Dog was more aggressive and more exciting (IMO), but when money is on the line, playing it safe isn't a bad strategy by Fractal. Can't blame him at all...

[@andTutin]

like singling and doubling post 29 for 10 minutes is easy right?

[@BenderTheCat007]

It's dumb for Dog to play it like a game. He should single / double out like Fracal make every game last an incredibly boring hour. They'd change the rules for the very next tournament.

[@Ialliac]

@@andTutin why ever go for tetris, then? just line out 18 and 19, too... the above isn't serious...but still, I would hate to see a game where say Eric gets the first 3 million and then nine minutes later Huff lines his way to victory (btw...I have no idea how hard 29 is...i can't make it past lvl13)

[@tommj4365]

Ouch, fractal's win was perfectly legitimate. I'd be cool with a "first to roll over" wins rule though

[@justsomeguy335]

🐐 vs 🐐

[@benzemaalziffary9382]

IDK why but fractal have some greentea energy

[@zerotwoisreal]

why wasn't Fractal allowed to continue at 28:29 when he had the world record?

[@MonthlyTetris]

He decided to stop playing. In general, continuing to play when the game is won is considered bad manners at live events.

[@Rashad_McCrorey]

The announcer was so biased for Dog he missed making a great historic call for Fractal... this match the announcer sucked😒

[@BenderTheCat007]

Watching game 2 chase down is the most boring thing I can imagine. Never thought a breaking every WR video would be so boring. We watched Dog push & play an exciting post 29 game while Fractal just played on for basically forever with no risk for players at this level. Not sure if the solution is something like limiting max lines, limiting max time above 28, or only counting Tetris points after 28, but this is just boring. The only thing saving it now is Dog playing with risk. If he played like Fractal we'd have games lasting an hour of nothing, but singles & doubles. At that point may was well start at 29 forget 19.

[@buttecake]

I didn't think it was boring. Pretty cool that multiple play styles are viable at the highest level

[@tommj4365]

I agree that at some point a change of some kind should be put into place. I still however found these matches really really exciting and I hope to see more and more players get to this level and see how far they can go with no restrictions

[@CMorpheus59]

I don't think a "game ends at X lines" would be a good approach, but something like "X lines without tetris" could be a solution to make games more exciting. Apart from the hype factor of the score going higher and higher, watching someone burn singles and doubles for minutes is the most boring thing in the world.

[@messiahshow]

@@CMorpheus59 Tetris Effect: Connected have a chase down timer. Could have something like that because I did not enjoy Fractal taking match 2 playing like a coward. Seems like it's all played to win the price pool money at that point and not pushing their limits and also entertain the audience. Without it being exciting to watch there will be no interest from people and then Tetris slowly dies instead of growing. And if it doesn't grow there will be no future price pool money to win anyway. So no offence to Fractal but he needs to be stopped from his boring playstyle before he single handedly ruin the sport. He reminds me of campers in COD or CSGO, players that need to win at any cost playing as boring as possible camping in a house until others take a risk and make a move. That is what I see when I see Fractal single clearing like a fool just to win when he should lose that because he's minutes behind. That is why they have a timer in CSGO, to stimulate and reward the players making a move and actually playing the game before the timer runs out and punish safe playing cowards. The game is called Tetris for a reason and you should win because you did the most Tetrises pre and post kill screen and nothing else. I don't dislike Fractal as a person I just think he needs to be saved from himself here because that cheesy playstyle just pissed me off. In NES Tetris I think a 30 second or so chase down timer is plenty. If they can't chase down in that time it means they are not good enough in pre-killscreen game and should improve there. Dog is a beast in both pre and post killscreen and he and huff are definitely the most entertaining players to watch right now. When looking at comments I don't seem to be alone in my thoughts. Some might just be a bit more restricted in how they express it. I do feel I speak for a lot though, no one likes a camper. Great games overall and thank you for hosting this, great commentary as usual.

[@aGameScout]

@@messiahshow fractal is well aware and has been advocating for months to introduce a line cap to prevent his very strategy, because he thinks efficiency battles are more interesting. Now that he’s demonstrated a line out strategy is viable, I agree. But I’ll never knock him for continuing to use the best strategy available as long as it’s tournament legal