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How it Works: Armor | World of Warships

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The third episode of the most useful WoWs video series! To impact damage - you need to penetrate the armor. But how does the armor work?
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@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel
@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel 4 жыл бұрын
1:24 Fuso's plating thickness was increased in Update 0.9.2. 9:27 Since Update 0.7.11, high caliber shells deal no more than 10% of their damage to destroyers
@momoshmomosh77
@momoshmomosh77 4 жыл бұрын
World of Warships.when are you devs gonna fully release french destroyers?
@thechocolatelabs8124
@thechocolatelabs8124 3 жыл бұрын
Hola I am here from WOW Legends lol
@alecmarciano8320
@alecmarciano8320 Жыл бұрын
But how do you know that the 1:24 Shell prenetration is 204mm?
@rpaulanderson7280
@rpaulanderson7280 Жыл бұрын
1024😮
@daptrius4983
@daptrius4983 Ай бұрын
@@alecmarciano8320 It is just a hypothetical number, New York actually has 350mm of penetration at 18km according to shiptool and 360mm according to the WoWS ballistics calculator.
@yonoume8747
@yonoume8747 5 жыл бұрын
Can't believe all these calculations are being initiated as you are playing in real time...
@mro9466
@mro9466 5 жыл бұрын
a cpu can calculate a lot more than this in milliseconds and in this case, this is most likely scripted
@Snyde91
@Snyde91 5 жыл бұрын
Simple calculations are nothing for a computer.
@Jin-di9zv
@Jin-di9zv 5 жыл бұрын
Says a lot about machines
@Salt_and_Peroxide
@Salt_and_Peroxide 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah
@aregularperson7453
@aregularperson7453 3 жыл бұрын
Only if you hit your target. Shell dispersion can be a bitch. Either that or I’m bad.
@andyoats
@andyoats 6 жыл бұрын
Almost ten minutes of the science behind Fusou’s non-consensual penetration. Poor girl must be traumatised by all this abuse.
@awhahoo
@awhahoo 3 жыл бұрын
‘non-consensual penetration’ *BOM BOM*
@Yuki_Ika7
@Yuki_Ika7 2 жыл бұрын
i will get some armor plates and welding equipment ready for her to patch her up, poor ship
@jaydaj6999
@jaydaj6999 4 жыл бұрын
Fuso: exists WoWS: peace was never an option
@swanky_yuropean7514
@swanky_yuropean7514 6 жыл бұрын
Did that Fuso consent to that pounding? #MeToo #FusoLivesMatter
@fuso8639
@fuso8639 6 жыл бұрын
no i didnt, they dont pay me enough for this….but i need the money…..fuck
@JerzeyBoy
@JerzeyBoy 6 жыл бұрын
STOP BULLYING FUSO!
@zuhn06
@zuhn06 5 жыл бұрын
#FusoLivesMatter
@themirageguy6292
@themirageguy6292 4 жыл бұрын
#fusohatesworldofwarships
@mariebcfhs9491
@mariebcfhs9491 4 жыл бұрын
@@fuso8639 poor you :((
@grandmahouse3778
@grandmahouse3778 5 жыл бұрын
I am 79 and i still play this game, its so addicting.
@andrewchanathip
@andrewchanathip 2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@arthurjmorningstar
@arthurjmorningstar 2 жыл бұрын
No u aren't
@Yuki_Ika7
@Yuki_Ika7 2 жыл бұрын
nice, i hope you get to enjoy the game for the rest of your life (and that we all enjoy the game for as long as we live too), also i did not mean to be morbid, that was not my intention
@bernalfiesaysip8791
@bernalfiesaysip8791 6 жыл бұрын
looks like I'm gonna have to study physics, geometry and trigonometry :)
@nicholaslau3194
@nicholaslau3194 6 жыл бұрын
No need for physics as it is completely wrong in this game
@metalWarriorCZ
@metalWarriorCZ 6 жыл бұрын
well, still better than in the most games.
@Gabriel-Kazu
@Gabriel-Kazu 6 жыл бұрын
I never knew how much detail went into the damage calculations. I'm kind blown! Amazing
@FastlaneKnight
@FastlaneKnight 6 жыл бұрын
This was really great. The two commentators do a perfect job of making it sound like a true science documentary and I enjoy that. Thank you World of Warships.
@silentwarrior3
@silentwarrior3 5 жыл бұрын
I’m impressed the game is able to run that code and math in milliseconds of what’s actually going on. It’s insane how games really work behind the scenes
@jimmypham8635
@jimmypham8635 6 жыл бұрын
How about Deck Armor? When the ship firing their shell at the maximum range, they more likely land on enemy ship's deck. That why the Super Heavy 16" AP shell with extremely low velocity ~792 m/s have nearly equal penetration value compare with Yamato 18" AP at long range fire.
@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel
@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel 6 жыл бұрын
Was this mechanic transparent and obvious?:) Did you learn anything new? What other mechanics you want to know about?
@franciscodetonne4797
@franciscodetonne4797 6 жыл бұрын
...apparently AP shells also have something to do with the 1/6 shell diameter calculation O_o
@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754
@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754 6 жыл бұрын
World of Warships Official Channel OK so next time is HE shells... I suppose after that you will do the "Damage calculation" video?
@relizque
@relizque 6 жыл бұрын
But can you explain BBs Germany Citadel armor?
@thomasrichter7767
@thomasrichter7767 6 жыл бұрын
it would be nice, when the stats of a ship Show, how many armor a Shell can penetrate at 5 - 10 - 15 - 20 km. i think that could help many Players to understand why a shel dont do any dmg. - Thank you guys for the Video
@revenanlone8974
@revenanlone8974 6 жыл бұрын
Better question. What about 0 damage pens on full HP ships? For me 1/3pens in every game dont deal damage. Or sometime 2 hist 1 pen + 1overpen deals 9500 damage (With Alsase last time) where they take this number? For Alsase is 1 pen cca 4000k damage and overpen 1400 = 5400 ...
@sol2544
@sol2544 4 жыл бұрын
This video is what sold me on the game. I was convinced it was super unrealistic, especially with my bad experiences playing WoT Blitz, but what isnt seen in typical WoW gameplay videos is the attention to game mechanics like this. Ive even heard about armor schemes coming into effect from other sources, and was amazed that the game, despite the stereotype of having HP bars for ships, actually has more realism than is seen at face value. I guess it is worth a try for me
@MrGaZZaDaG
@MrGaZZaDaG 6 жыл бұрын
I love world of warships 😄
@djshag277
@djshag277 3 жыл бұрын
Same,pog
@idkwhy6684
@idkwhy6684 3 жыл бұрын
Me To But Mobile
@laryyan1358
@laryyan1358 6 жыл бұрын
*COUGH YAMATO CHEEK ARMOUR COUGH*
@la_potat6065
@la_potat6065 6 жыл бұрын
*COUGH IOWA 16mm AFT CITADEL ARMOUR COUGH*
@laryyan1358
@laryyan1358 6 жыл бұрын
thats a thing? i did not know that
@la_potat6065
@la_potat6065 6 жыл бұрын
There is a 287mm citadel aft armour on Iowa - but the lower portion of it is only a disgusting 16mm. I checked the blueprints and it is historical accurate. However WG incorrectly models Iowa’s aft. As Iowa’s armoured steering rooms on her aft - are actually connected to the main citadel (a ww1 era battlecruiser trait)- by a 300mm belt - with 216mm aft armour (similar to Amagi) . This is what would have protected the 16mm citadel weakness - but since wg does not model that, BB shells can overmatch that 16mm and pen at any angle.
@_lumiaart_2010
@_lumiaart_2010 6 жыл бұрын
Chng He Meng yep all the complaining about the tier 10 RN BB . while yammy can city every ship from the front back and sides 😃
@la_potat6065
@la_potat6065 6 жыл бұрын
Yammy can cit sides??? I dare you to say that against Kurfurst and the rest of the German BB lines at close-mid ranges. Plus the same 45 degree technique in hitting Yammies Cheeks - also apply to other battleships with crap athwartship armour - especially to citadel proof German Battleships.
@notsureyou
@notsureyou 4 жыл бұрын
I understand that whilst very complex, they have still over simplified a few things. For an example a shell penetrating above the water won't hit any portion of the anti-torpedo defence. Yes it will hit hull plating which is located behind the belt, However that hull plating is not made of armor quality steel, and so provides significantly less resistance than the plate thickness would lead one to think. To the point that ship designers never included that steel as counting towards belt thickness. Whilst the system that they use includes shell normalization, it doesn't seem to take into account decapping or yaw (maybe this is addressed in another video?)
@juri8723
@juri8723 6 жыл бұрын
great. Now give Graf Spee her 40mm Belt, that she had IRL.
@grathian
@grathian 5 жыл бұрын
Spee belt 50-75mm, depending on location
@Igiveashitofaname
@Igiveashitofaname 5 жыл бұрын
Give her also 18km range, 15s reload, place her in T8 and all be fine!
@murkywatersindustries8803
@murkywatersindustries8803 5 жыл бұрын
*german superiority i love it*
@djshag277
@djshag277 3 жыл бұрын
EEERRRİİKKKAAAA(bum bum bum)
@juri8723
@juri8723 3 жыл бұрын
Arktos der böse Schneemann this but unironically
@ZexzenNova
@ZexzenNova 6 жыл бұрын
Man, this video really shows the complexity of armor penetration mechanics of the game, which I found really amazing. And all of this calculation is only from a single shell, whereas a ship can send up to 12 shells per salvo. Really made you think how powerful the computer to calculate all this (or thousands of monkeys with basic maths employed to calculate). Minotaur will put a lot of calculation per minutes. But still, RNG plays the most part of this.
@TheMouseMasterYT
@TheMouseMasterYT 6 жыл бұрын
Someone should have told these WW2 engineers that the most successful BB armor scheme would be to have 30mm plating everywhere to defeat most HE, and other than that, a 450mm torpedo bulge. That said, why doesn't the "trigger" for the AP shells happen on the pen/6 rule AS the shell is losing pen from passing through layers? I mean, based on this video, a large-caliber BB could hit an Atlanta right in the face, have it go through the ENTIRE length of the ship, out the aft, and only deal 1K dmg?
@grathian
@grathian 5 жыл бұрын
First off, I would love to take a Brooklyn against your BB, you're in big trouble, at least in the real world, maybe not WoW. Also, you've just more than doubled the weight used for armor, were are you shaving weights from? A thick torpedo bulge is worse than none. Torpedoes normally hit well below the belt armor, designed to protect the waterline, usually extends at thickness only around 6 - 8' below. Hits on belt thickness will cause all of the explosive energy to transfer to the plates, causing dislocation of the plates and damage and dislocation to supporting structure, many irreparable small leaks as well as shock damage taking out any systems in the vicinity. Much more dangerous the deeper the hit. The torpedo protection system extends from the base of the belt to the curve of the bilge, 15-30' depending on the ship and location of the hit. They are designed to vent and/or absorb the blast energy and resulting splinters, using alternating layers of thin structured voids and liquid filled spaces (fuel oil usually) without damaging the inner bulkhead. Sometimes thin crushing tubes were used, a neat idea that unfortunately didn't work, blast usually venting before the tubes crushed. The Itallian system was the worst example, with little provision for venting the blast took out the structure before the tubes crushed. Where these systems failed was either when they were hit multiple times, when design was not deep enough and were blown thru, (cruiser bulges do not provide any protection), or by bad joint design (Yamato's the worst, although the South Dakota/Iowa/Montana/Midway system also had issues)
@chaosacsend9653
@chaosacsend9653 2 жыл бұрын
@@grathian and how do you plan on sinking a bb with a Brooklyn you can't sink a battleship by just shooting the superstructure.
@Routerproblem
@Routerproblem 6 жыл бұрын
I would like to see all the Infos and statistiks in Game.. or at least in an list. I want to see ho much Armor my Shells (HE and AP) can penatrate and how much armor it needs to explode.. sadly its not a thing :c
@kuhluhOG
@kuhluhOG 6 жыл бұрын
HE is actually easy (for german cruisers, battleships and british battleships 1/4 and for the rest 1/6 of the caliber, multiplied by the IFHE factor is taken, in the end you need .5mm more than the plate is thick) AP is pretty hard to calculate because you need to put the Krupp value, the shell weight and the impact velocity into a formula...so yeah, not really easy, but it would be good if we could see the shell weight, the krupp value and the drag coefficient in the port
@belladesa91
@belladesa91 6 жыл бұрын
Kuhluh where did u get those 1/4 and 1/6? Where can i read FULL stats bout my ship?
@kuhluhOG
@kuhluhOG 6 жыл бұрын
you can see ALL stats about your ship on third party websites (they datamined it, so they went into the gamecode and looked it up) and there are a lot of informations on WGs wiki (wiki. wargaming. net (without the spaces, I don't know if links are allowed here))
@IIIJG52
@IIIJG52 6 жыл бұрын
Actually those values shouldnt change too much for any given ship. So they could just display the Penetration of the ships AP shells in the port at certain ranges, say 5/10/15/20 KM where applicable. Its just not ok that we have to look around on 3rd party websites to find such crucial information.
@ghostd5061
@ghostd5061 6 жыл бұрын
Router Problem oh my dude R.I.P english grammar
@swordmonkey6635
@swordmonkey6635 6 жыл бұрын
Great series of videos that answers a lot of questions about the game mechanics.
@AlexandreHirsch
@AlexandreHirsch 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this information! Please continue in your efforts to educate the community.
@colonelstriker2519
@colonelstriker2519 6 жыл бұрын
They block metal things flying to you
@awhahoo
@awhahoo 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@kingbonezai4925
@kingbonezai4925 8 ай бұрын
I used to play this game all the time 7-8yrs ago, amazing to see all the details that it has (now?) defo want to get back in!
@mariebcfhs9491
@mariebcfhs9491 4 жыл бұрын
some shell has some time to reach "deeper" into a ship ooof sounds kinda painful to me
@Gilvaras
@Gilvaras 6 жыл бұрын
Having played since the start of the Open Beta, I still learn new things from these videos, very well done. These How it Works videos should be mandatory viewing for new players. Keep up the good work.
@brucewayneisdeadpool830
@brucewayneisdeadpool830 6 жыл бұрын
I think this video left me with more questions than answers.
@Kyitz255
@Kyitz255 2 жыл бұрын
This multiplication is better than math👍
@Chironex_Fleckeri
@Chironex_Fleckeri 4 жыл бұрын
Look, all I know is that when an Emerald shows me their juicy broadside in my Graf Spee, they go BANG.
@pikkozoikum8523
@pikkozoikum8523 6 жыл бұрын
I like it how you guys animate it
@MageTWoWs
@MageTWoWs 6 жыл бұрын
Great work with this video, fully professional! But people who watched this: dont snipe 18km+ becose you cant be hit hard. You can't hithard as well. Angling is the answer, not the distances.
@johnstanford3715
@johnstanford3715 6 жыл бұрын
Depends on the ship. I have found that with my N/C with ap rounds under 15 km I over pen & at 20 km my shells disperse so much lucky if 1 - 2 shells frm full salvo lands. I try too stay about 17 - 18 km frm target at that distance with N/C I get more citadels frm most ships
@edhikurniawan
@edhikurniawan 6 жыл бұрын
BB usually still able to citadel most cruiser even at max range. Also hitting the superstructure could possibly net a good damage. Sniping is ok, but camping is another matter.
@anonymousstout4759
@anonymousstout4759 6 жыл бұрын
My yamato disagree with u
@fjhatsu
@fjhatsu 6 жыл бұрын
sniping is good if you know what you're doing. that guy with the NC for example. also some distance can lead to plunging fire shot which ship's deck armor are usually thinner, thus, citadel hits
@fjhatsu
@fjhatsu 6 жыл бұрын
sniping for 5 minutes in a row, however, isn't good. that's camping
@UglytruthG
@UglytruthG 6 жыл бұрын
Few games have videos like this from their devs. thanks for the hard work
@hwg5039
@hwg5039 6 жыл бұрын
what if I don't penetrate enemy ship? WOT players: LOAD PREMIUM!!!
@jaredjones4460
@jaredjones4460 5 жыл бұрын
HWG literally pay to win
@user-lj6yh1mt9x
@user-lj6yh1mt9x 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah!! Premium is everything..😂😂😂😂😂😂
@dsmith8984
@dsmith8984 4 жыл бұрын
HWG I’d leave this game if it went to needing premium ammo etc
@johnwayne3514
@johnwayne3514 5 жыл бұрын
I came her for clarification, instead i left even more confused
@mmilrl5768
@mmilrl5768 3 жыл бұрын
its crazy how much these sound and look like real documentaries.
@derptomistic
@derptomistic 4 жыл бұрын
*Shell overpenetrates through captain's quarters* Captain: "STOP PUTTING HOLES IN MY SHIP!"
@ThatGuyOrby
@ThatGuyOrby 4 жыл бұрын
unfortunately armor while more often than not modeled accurately in-game does not act realistically. Let's take Iowa, Alabama, and Massachusetts for example. I think we're all aware that both ships have an internal inward-inclined armor belt under a 32mm decapping plate. This decapping plate in game does nothing but make it laughably easy for SAP shells, AP shells, and HE shells of most ships of light cruiser or bigger to cause nonsensical amounts of damage. This is in spite of the fact that this belt was meant to be penetrated and still leave the ship undamaged. This plate would either tear the head off of an incoming armor piercing shell if it was equivalent to the MK8 super heavy shell fired from a MK6 16"/45cal gun. In game this plate does nothing but ensure Iowa, Alabama, and Massachusetts eat and unfair amount of penetration damage from just about every gun in the game that can pen 32mm. This is without mentioning Iowa's non-historically vulnerable citadel. While effective armor is supposedly taken into account I would ask if any of the three ships I've mentioned feel like their belt armor feels around 16-17in in effective thickness (yes despite the thin actual thicknesses of late American battleships sloping made it so their effective armor protection was much thicker than it's more modest 12.1in thickness) To put it into perspective the sloping of the armor aboard the South Dakota and Iowa class ships would act a lot like a reverse turtle back scheme deflecting all shells save for anything heavier than a MK8 super-heavy shell down into a void space where they'd detonate harmlessly. In other words in game it would feel a lot like shooting at a Bismarck except for while not penetrating their citadel you'd get very little in the way of penetration damage unless you had a 16"/50cal gun or bigger. I understand that this is for balancing and to make the German battleships unique with their almost untouchable citadels but it gives a lot of people the wrong idea about the protection of the American fast battleships. This combined with Iowa's non-historically large turning radius tend to make the ship feel like a far easier target than it should be. This isn't a call to buff Iowa or Alabama and Massachusetts but to admit for once that your game while impressive isn't very historically accurate nor is it realistic in the least. It's an arcade game through and through, and that's not a bad thing but is quite annoying when it's hailed as some ultra-realistic and historically accurate game in promotion and youtuber sponsorships.
@giantqueermess264
@giantqueermess264 4 жыл бұрын
this is an unnecicarly complicated game and I FRICKEN LOVE IT
@avoughtf4u-4corsair19
@avoughtf4u-4corsair19 5 жыл бұрын
I came here for lewd innuendos but instead, I got educated.
@HolySwordofLight
@HolySwordofLight 6 жыл бұрын
an addition to this video would be to show the cruiser shells that you mentioned earlier about how they had steeper ricochet angles. might not hurt to explain this to some players as well.
@grimmshredsanguinus2915
@grimmshredsanguinus2915 2 жыл бұрын
only americans cruisers can pen over 33degrees +staligrad
@jonah_.l
@jonah_.l 4 жыл бұрын
uhh... to be more realistic, if the shell hits the bridge on the superstructure, there will be no captain and the ship is under no-ones command, therefore almost inoperable
@BruhPK
@BruhPK 6 жыл бұрын
I like these videos, definitely helps us who simply have a harder time in understanding KZbinrs who do try to help us all out. But without an even better way to show us how it works, some of us potatoes (like me :D) can't grasp the concept as clearly and we just go with what we know. Keep`em coming and KEEP`EM FIRING!
@johnangelotenorio
@johnangelotenorio 6 жыл бұрын
Moar Fuso abuse...
@grimmshredsanguinus2915
@grimmshredsanguinus2915 6 жыл бұрын
John Angelo Tenorio abuse award
@SaltyFrenchFries
@SaltyFrenchFries 6 жыл бұрын
Don't worry. We will be getting some spicy Fuso abuse soon.
@franciscodetonne4797
@franciscodetonne4797 6 жыл бұрын
*GOOD*
@murkywatersindustries8803
@murkywatersindustries8803 5 жыл бұрын
#FusoLivesMatter
@zanerlak2726
@zanerlak2726 5 жыл бұрын
know I know what to do when the game finishes downloading and I start my first battle :)
@shieldde6209
@shieldde6209 3 жыл бұрын
Still there?
@awhahoo
@awhahoo 3 жыл бұрын
How was the first battle?
@TheRattlefinger
@TheRattlefinger 6 жыл бұрын
It's actually entertaining and educational, although many of the factors in play are hidden, starting from the armor penetration capability of shells at certain distances. I speak about data available in-game, and not whether it can or can not be found on non-affiliated websites. I didn't check, so I don't know; but I suppose that data could be only approximations anyway. So, I just thought to myself, what if, when you move your aiming reticule over an enemy ship you'd see an approximation in-game, something a bit similar to WoT: Red - bounce, Yellow - hit, but citadel hit is unlikely/impossible, Green - citadel hit is possible, Blue/Orange/Purple/Octarine/Whatever - overpenetration is likely. 1. It doesn't have to take all factors into account, thus you still would need experience to anticipate the possible outcomes of a hit on that point, and 2. You still would have to actually hit that point which is increasingly difficuly as range increases. So it wouldn't be OP, in my opinion.
@apertureemployee215
@apertureemployee215 6 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, British Battleship Duke of York also has enhanced penetration angles, the same as the US CAs in fact
@ThatxOtherxDude
@ThatxOtherxDude 6 жыл бұрын
BOI I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS THANK GOD FOR THIS SERIES
@renzjosephremo4143
@renzjosephremo4143 2 жыл бұрын
The bulkheads are at least 50 to 300mm thick so thats why irl its near impossible to completely penetrate a ship’s both armor plates from both sides
@jelle_tendon
@jelle_tendon 5 жыл бұрын
tl;dr: shoot at the enemy ships' citadels and hope for the best lol
@Danny_S.
@Danny_S. 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not an elite player but these videos have made me much better.
@DJKenTuckyOfficial
@DJKenTuckyOfficial 6 жыл бұрын
Best series about the game imho 👍👍👍
@phineasjack5180
@phineasjack5180 5 жыл бұрын
I have to give the game devs credit for this. They did a very good job. Always been bias to war thunder but these guys are not slouching by any means.
@ricardovladimirortegaramir6498
@ricardovladimirortegaramir6498 4 жыл бұрын
If a shell reaches the citadel armor but does not penetrate, it still deals an amount of damage. ¿what percentage of the shell total damage this non-penetrating citadel damage represents?
@grimmshredsanguinus2915
@grimmshredsanguinus2915 2 жыл бұрын
nope it just shatters u got a pen or a citadel hit if the shell pens but didnt reach it just breaks
@cavscout1739
@cavscout1739 6 жыл бұрын
I regret, that I only have one like to give.
@2corrosive
@2corrosive 6 жыл бұрын
awesome stuff. Keep it coming, posting this playlist on my clans gamepage for mandatory viewing :)
@SMN-ct9gl
@SMN-ct9gl 6 жыл бұрын
Whenever my parents says "games don't teach anything" I just simply put this video on TV and then wait...
@DarkThomy
@DarkThomy 5 жыл бұрын
Truly awesome !.. So the shell has a timer to detonate... And it doesn't "just disappear" when hitting water !!..
@faiqcreates
@faiqcreates 6 жыл бұрын
What about turtle back armour
@la_potat6065
@la_potat6065 6 жыл бұрын
Fuso has turtleback armour as you can see here... 6:50 - and it gets its turtleback citadel penetrated... nothing special...
@aurelian3268
@aurelian3268 6 жыл бұрын
you are probably thinking about German BBs. The relative armor comes into play. German turtle back has more sloping so the relative armor is much higher preventing the shells from getting into the citadel.
@la_potat6065
@la_potat6065 6 жыл бұрын
Oh if you mean German BB Turtlebacks... Their Turtlebacks are inclined to 68 degrees... Our Autobounce is 60 degrees. Meaning a Yamato with 900mm pen at point blank with a 460mm - will pen the armour - but bounce on the 150mm 68 degree turtleback of a German Battleship - due to autobounce. The autobounce is the reason why German Battleship are citadel-proof (which I find bullshit and retarded) - I mean common how dufuq can a T2 Mikasa with Turtleback bounce a Yamato shell - and never pens its citadel - even at full broadside. You can only citadel a German Battleship at long ranges. Plunging fire will hit the turtleback at a flatter angle and penetrate it and the citadel. Or Underwater penetration occurs - and directly hits the citadel.
@mikep3180
@mikep3180 6 жыл бұрын
Or simply RNG
@kuhluhOG
@kuhluhOG 6 жыл бұрын
no, it can calculate anything, and I am nearly never surprised by the outcome of a shell then it's in the air and I see the enemy ship; and if I am surpirised and look more closely, it makes sense again
@caosonnguyen3336
@caosonnguyen3336 6 жыл бұрын
Hey, shells dispersion. Calculates that. RNG exist for a reason bruv
@metalWarriorCZ
@metalWarriorCZ 6 жыл бұрын
another RNG guy. This is just a boring excuse.
@Sicklehead88
@Sicklehead88 6 жыл бұрын
but the RNG basically just determines where the shell impacts. there is no RNG for the amount of damage dealt (unlike in World of Tanks) and for the amount of penetration the shell has at a specific range (again unlike in World of Tanks)
@mikep3180
@mikep3180 6 жыл бұрын
Sicklehead88 yeah I thought WoT RNG was the same in WoWs
@Commandoj251
@Commandoj251 3 жыл бұрын
So shouldn’t over pens cause flooding then if the shell hits at the right angle and goes out through the other side under water?
@crodyleger4771
@crodyleger4771 6 жыл бұрын
Love every how it works video. Hope this never ends . I have new York bit never been against fuzo
@armastat
@armastat 5 жыл бұрын
Would be nice if you described how to use this information. I mean I know how, but its math, looking at EACH ship and doing calculations for dozens of possible scenarios, and remembering that at time of play. Something simpler like. "Shooting bow or stern with heavy ammo is a waste" or "shoot under turrets if close, but shoot structure if at max range" and then let people use this info and that general guideline to get better. in other words some general conclusions would be nice. I realize that explaining how to shoot all ships with each type ammo and range would take weeks of videos, but something would be helpful.
@cheeseburgerapocalypse2604
@cheeseburgerapocalypse2604 Жыл бұрын
Really hope we would get clean & modern UI like in the console
@suryia6706
@suryia6706 5 жыл бұрын
The amount of Armour a shell can penetrate is a function of the shell type, velocity and the distance from the firing ship to the target. As you get closer to the target the penetration factor goes up. How to you know what the penetration of a shell at any given time or do we just not bother trying. My sense is to just worry about the enemy ships armour and aim for soft bits? Good video
@SidMajors
@SidMajors 6 жыл бұрын
Its like your watching a disovery program. I love it.
@TheDustysix
@TheDustysix 6 жыл бұрын
For a small scale test watch "deadly cv9040 programmable ammo of Bofors 40mm L70 canon" 1:57- 3:25 for APFSDS on the NATO heavy single 100mm RHA at 45 deg. 140mm total penetration. The video quality is crummy but one gets the point.
@norfolknchance4039
@norfolknchance4039 6 жыл бұрын
Great presentation and very well explained... well done
@MageMinionsOP
@MageMinionsOP 6 жыл бұрын
Quite interesting. Never really read into it but I'd like to bear about how you determine a shells penetration. You through out New York penetration amount and I assume it'll be explained eventually but it would help to know where you get those numbers or the calculation to be specific
@huma474
@huma474 6 жыл бұрын
This videos are awesome, Thanks for making them!
@grevron7607
@grevron7607 4 жыл бұрын
penetration is my expertise. love this game till now.. learns alot. 😁
@Fomfom4u
@Fomfom4u 6 жыл бұрын
Keep working. I will watch for next one.
@SpookyDeadeye
@SpookyDeadeye 6 жыл бұрын
Oh come on! Not Fuso!!
@eduardmeier1818
@eduardmeier1818 5 жыл бұрын
someone here who believe this? this is theory. it doesnt work in ingame. most of players have seen a lot of penetration they should be impossible. so keep your dreams of intelligent mechanics :)
@gawrgurahololive-en1807
@gawrgurahololive-en1807 5 жыл бұрын
WeGs forgot that... any torpedo bulkhead from 40mm to 100mm does an 90% Normalization even if APC's hit's it from such sharp angle like 30 degrees... And you know why? Aerodynamic "Copperhead" or also known as Ballistic Cup on APCS which "glues" shell to armor and also shell wight which creates an so called "drag energy" of the shell. That means that... *In real Physics no such rule as 14:3 and if you got hit buy large shell into an 32mm thin armor that paper got PENETRATED*
@martonbalogh6021
@martonbalogh6021 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question. First, if a shell hits a specific point of the armor, you need to know the angle. How do you tell the angle of the ships armor in 1 point? Second, 2 angles needed, a horizontal, and a vertical, then how do you calculate the relative armor thickness in 3D with 2 angles?
@grimmshredsanguinus2915
@grimmshredsanguinus2915 2 жыл бұрын
nope if the enemy shell has better angle penetrates if the enemy shell is big it overmaches no matter the angle simple as that in the game
@elmateo77
@elmateo77 6 жыл бұрын
Where can we find the stats like angle normalization for our ships guns?
@keplerism_yt
@keplerism_yt 6 жыл бұрын
A very good explanation, ty for your effort
@jiorgosk2789
@jiorgosk2789 Жыл бұрын
Great Video. Well done!
@dupond948
@dupond948 6 жыл бұрын
Nice video to explain to veteran and new players :)
@mazgazine1
@mazgazine1 6 жыл бұрын
Really cool, but I'd like the same detailed explanation for Turtle back.
@notsureyou
@notsureyou Жыл бұрын
At that range the amount of penetration (EFF) is 327 mm of US class A
@thomasbernecky2078
@thomasbernecky2078 6 жыл бұрын
this is a good start. Thanks!
@AmericanThunder
@AmericanThunder 5 жыл бұрын
What about the massive hydraulic pressure created by a large shell that detonates underwater, and then the pocket of air that it creates during the explosion, followed by the water rushing back into the void? Ships don't like huge air pockets under their keels, it tends to break their back. That's why torpedoes can do so much damage when they detonate under the keel without even touching the ship.
@armorhide406
@armorhide406 6 жыл бұрын
Needs more explaining on normalization and non-damaging pens imo
@mariebcfhs9491
@mariebcfhs9491 5 жыл бұрын
hitting the conning tower and taking out the captain is an instant kill, you guys forgot
@MsErtwer
@MsErtwer 3 жыл бұрын
I find it hard to believe that a shells penetration drops equally by the amount of armor it hits, in real life that is.
@dclark142002
@dclark142002 6 жыл бұрын
Hmm...so this might be why I do better when down two tiers and am throwing HE at range from my BBs (to avoid shatters and cruisers bouncing my shells)... I'll have to tune in to the HE video to see if that is right though. I hadn't given though to the effect of distance on AP penetration before. I just thought it was the gun caliber being too low. Having too low of velocity and the loss from the drag hadn't been factored into my analysis....
@szymonpiwinski7782
@szymonpiwinski7782 4 жыл бұрын
Are all of these tips aplicable to the console (ps4) version of the game aswell?
@Aj17_17
@Aj17_17 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is a game mechanic used in all versions.
@user-im5xr1xx8x
@user-im5xr1xx8x 6 жыл бұрын
these systems were very complicated to understand completely. but thanks to this video, now they are not unknown systems. thank you for uploading! and I'm waiting for the next episode.
@andrewgraves7206
@andrewgraves7206 6 жыл бұрын
They have been known, the wiki has a ton of info, this is just them making it easier to digest.
@user-im5xr1xx8x
@user-im5xr1xx8x 6 жыл бұрын
oops sorry. that "unknown" means "complicated" but thanks for telling:)
@rgloria40
@rgloria40 2 жыл бұрын
Any way to test simulate putting reactive armor on estimated target areas the smart missile are going to attack a ship. For example, torpedeo are design to attack the midship at the keel. Some missile go for the C2 areas like the bridge....
@asfarizky4784
@asfarizky4784 4 жыл бұрын
Hey that was my favourite video so far
6 жыл бұрын
Lot of work for a free game, love it
@lordante4665
@lordante4665 6 жыл бұрын
I love to see trajectory of overpen making a hole underwater... And ship not drawing. Especially when you place 8 AP in a small DD who can endure AP better than a cruiser because the draw mechanic is only for torpedoes!
@YTKomikaz3
@YTKomikaz3 Жыл бұрын
what is the math behind the new york going from 356mm to 204mm from a distance? Is the the velocity, shell spin, or just range that affects it? How can we calculate this in game?
@NotWithinNormalLimits
@NotWithinNormalLimits 5 жыл бұрын
I love your game, world of warships! So addicting, thanks lol
@DennisWilkinson61
@DennisWilkinson61 6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! (man, I'd have to break out a Chinese abacus to do all that figurin'...then I'd be back digging through Davy Jones' locker quick) Torpedo use and their mechanics would be interesting.
@jsl8082
@jsl8082 7 ай бұрын
As if hitting the ships isn't difficult enough, all these calculations and variables are also taken into account in the game to make it harder
@mattxiong605
@mattxiong605 10 ай бұрын
In this case , considering the nirmalization of AP shell, it is penatratreted with like 90 degree. In other cases, if the angle is sharper , when the armor is penatrated, is the ralative thickness should be applied to substract the armor penatration thickness or just the original thickness of the armor?
@gorethiel2019
@gorethiel2019 6 жыл бұрын
So does that mean that only flight time and water affects the angle and the speed of shells? It has only be stated that penetrated armor reduces the possible penetration thickness, but not trajectory and speed. (I could imagine that this is one of the abstractions to make the computations easier, but still It would be nice to know it)
@gearz2570
@gearz2570 6 жыл бұрын
finally, a video explaining it
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