Based on all the evidence, I don't think Baelor was one of the "crazy" Targaryens. At least not at first. I think his father likely played a big role in his pacifist nature, which probably led to his turn to religion. But, he definitely went off the deep end after the viper pit. All that venom combined with the intense physical strain likely caused mental damage.
@WorldOfWesteros Жыл бұрын
very true i think should we ever get fire and blood part two how he becomes such a religulous motivated person might be cleared up. At heart unlike a lot of 'bad' kings, i believe Baleor's intentions were good, but that does not mean the actions they resulted in were good.
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
@@WorldOfWesteroshopefully George will get TWOW done before anymore of these side books. It's getting ridiculous now
@InfamousB9 Жыл бұрын
Maidenvault
@christianayahweh7632 Жыл бұрын
House of The Dragon has nothing to do with The Game of Thrones. We overthrew your evil government with it and that is all we were interested in. Just defeating you. Something is wrong with you, woman.
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
@@christianayahweh7632 to who and what were you trying to say??????
@gabrielsarti310 Жыл бұрын
Do we all agree that Elaena is underrated? She is such an awesome and interesting character
@WorldOfWesteros Жыл бұрын
Hopefully she gets expanded upon in fire and blood part 2 should we ever get it. Can see ehr become a fan favorite
@rexxdarealest110 ай бұрын
@@WorldOfWesterosshe’s my fave of the daughters of Aegon III
@danielnemesio33889 ай бұрын
A death guy put a child in her
@kevinneutzling8267 Жыл бұрын
I think Baelor was definitely mad but had the drive and temperament to make some positive choices in his early reign. Without him Dorne may have remained an enemy, and Daeron II naming his heir after him shows his legacy isn’t completely unappreciated.
@kentuckyfriedchicken7359 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Baelor is one of the worst kings alongside the Mad King and and Aenys. Guy really burnt very much needed books and knowledge that characters in the main series may need. Bro held the Targaryens back no wonder the faith and maesters loved this dude, he was doing their job for them. At least he built the great sept so the faith is now in Kings Landing allowing the Hightowers to have some grand re-awakening
@thatoneblackdude3333 Жыл бұрын
Because of him and others dany has to start from scratch in regards to dragon lore .
@Dany269SS Жыл бұрын
True but for me Aegon the IV, Maegor & Aerys II are still the worst compared to him. Aenys I, Aerys I, Viserys I & Baelor are on the same level.
@jessjess23brooks89 Жыл бұрын
@@Dany269SSAgreed. He was a middle of the pack king who stands out for his religious zeal. He made some good calls and a few horrifying ones. Didn't leave the world in turmoil, but he did his family few favors.
@Dany269SS Жыл бұрын
@@jessjess23brooks89 Exactly!
@martinmullender-taeter51633 ай бұрын
@@Dany269SS cruelty comes naturally, but what Balor did, that is worse, he was a fanatic, he brainwashed people and he was living in a fantasy, if you ever learn more about how the world works, then you will understand just how dangerous that actually is, we saw a glimpse of it when Cersei gave power to the faith, and only then do you realize how damaging this actually is to the people, because belief is law, no matter how stupid and insignificant the problem, the ones you mentioned targeted individuals, not the whole population, and while it was horrible for the individuals, their madness didnt leave a whole realm live in fear of doing something they would be lynched for ....
@samalvey8168 Жыл бұрын
It's a good thing he died when he did, in my opinion. Eventually he would have provoked the North in some manner, as the last bastion of the Old Gods, and it would have led to war. The Starks and their bannermen (aside from the Manderlys) hold to the Old Gods with firm fervour and to try and forcibly convert them would be disastrous.
@jessjess23brooks89 Жыл бұрын
I forgot he fasted and starved himself to death 😅. An odd, pious king, but far from the worst. Just not a great family man, for sure. I bet Rhaegar cursed him daily for burning all those important Targaryen texts lol
@Hochspitz Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy how you breakdown all these histories. It must be so much work.👏
@WorldOfWesteros Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoy them. To be honest i've been doing it so long now i've really narrowed down the workflow a lot. But what i will say is ever since i got past the era fire and blood covers it has been much more challenging having to use the world book as the main source, it's great to have but lacks the detail fire and blood gives us. For example Aegon iii's Regency took like 50 videos to cover. His actual reign maybe 4. So fleshing out the content post fire and blood has been tricky and taken a lot more work in terms of scripting that it used to.
@Hochspitz Жыл бұрын
@@WorldOfWesteros I find Fire & Blood hard enough and haven't even tried the World of Ice & Fire....too hard.
@WorldOfWesteros Жыл бұрын
world of ice and fire is written in a really strange way, it not bad for a quick five minute read, i mainly have it for the wonderful art. If you struggle with fire and blood, it might be worth taking a look at rise of the dragon, it's a bit more condensed and less dense than fire and blood anh has some great art
@mysteryjunkie980811 ай бұрын
I agree with Jamie Lannister if Baelor had just slept with Daena the Realm would’ve been better off
@mohmmedakrot9663 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video just amazing my brother keep it going big love from Libya
@____-hl6eh2 ай бұрын
Too bad Baelor was a man of peace. Had he been an ambitious dragon rider, with his mental and physical resilience, there's no telling what he could have accomplished.
@danieltukua4527 Жыл бұрын
It always seems like there’s evidence of the Old Gods existing along with those like Rh’lorr (if I’m spelling it right) yet never the Seven which I find interesting. Maegor killing the Seven Knights, Baelon, The Great Sept getting blown up, ect. Wonder if it’ll play a role
@mysteryjunkie980811 ай бұрын
The Warrior beheaded Caraxes and The Mother saved Ser Davos at the Battle of Blackwater
@Guinnessdrnkr123411 ай бұрын
The king provided proof the marriage was not consummated?! Do the septon see that poor women's intact hymen?
@aegorbittersteel2154 Жыл бұрын
King Daemon Blackfyre Best of the Best 🗡🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
@DaBloodRaven Жыл бұрын
That hail of arrows I sent at him says otherwise 😂😂😂
@lawrencereid2767 Жыл бұрын
Jeah!!!!!!
@aegorbittersteel2154 Жыл бұрын
@lawrencereid2767 Good see support for the true King.
@SeviathTheHumanDrago Жыл бұрын
@@aegorbittersteel2154 The King That Was Chosen. He Wielded Blackfyre the sword of Aegon the Conqueror.
@TheDeadlyKnight Жыл бұрын
Baelor’s a strange case. Does his Good outweigh the Bad? Set aside his follies like the messenger doves & the touting of low-class faith healers & prophets. Major edicts occurred during his rule. Among them, appeasement of Dorne ultimately led to Its annexation into the kingdom proper; fully & not in style only. One of the greatest achievements of any Targaryen king imo. His charity to the smallfolk & patronage to the Faith of Seven were remarkable endeavors imo. Detaining his innocent sisters for a decade was an outrage. Burning books & oppressing secular intellectuals & intelligencia, was substantive & harmful. A bloody crusade against the Northmen & Ironmen would’ve been an existential disaster. There’s no certain verdict in either direction
@WorldOfWesteros Жыл бұрын
For me Baelor had good intentions, he certainly didn't want to harm anyone or make the kingdom a worse place and he did do some really good things, peace with Dorne being one of them. i genuinely believe he felt like he was doing the right things. But just because he was doing them with good intent does not make his actions good. He's not evil or a tyrant, like Maegor or Aegon iv, but ultimately he is remembered among the bad kings of westeros.
@TheDeadlyKnight Жыл бұрын
@@WorldOfWesteros A shame. Like you, I’m not sure I agree w/ that assessment. The lives of his subjects were better for having him on the iron throne. Gives him a slight nudge into the “Good King” category for this observer
@7deEspadas Жыл бұрын
The real question, for me at least, is how much me can atributte to Baelon himself and how much to his clearly capable hand. Guess we will know before winds at least
@TheDeadlyKnight Жыл бұрын
@@7deEspadas I attribute it all, the Good & Bad, to the King. If we credit Prince Viserys w/ negotiating the annexation marriage of his grandson, I think we have to place allowing his Nieces’ 10-YEAR detention at his feet also
@Sebastian-lw5qb3 ай бұрын
I don't think he would have led a bloody crusade against the Northmen. This just seems to be slander in the World of Ice and Fire book, to put him in a worse light. GRR Martin said, that Baelor's weapon was a prayer and that he would have preferred to disarm the whole world. What maybe could have happened is the North or the Iron Islands starting a war against Baelor because of the religion, and he would be partly responsible. That I'll grant. But otherwise there's no proof at all, that he planned a holy war.
@BESTINTHEWORLD00076 күн бұрын
The blackfyre rebellions would probably never have existed without Baelor, and Daemon Blackfyre without Baelor would be inconceivable.
@jackashmore Жыл бұрын
King Daeron was a stud and got killed in a real lame way. Would’ve been cool to see an arc about him.
@alexpieters23453 ай бұрын
Baelor was top 5 crazy Targaryens
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
Grandfather of the GOAT warrior!
@herbthompson8937 Жыл бұрын
Daemon caused NO trouble!!! Daeron caused the trouble!!!!
@business_casual_rex Жыл бұрын
Another long video? Hell yeah
@lawrencereid2767 Жыл бұрын
First to take the Black 🖤
@rschmidt93 Жыл бұрын
Right on time for work
@TheDeadlyKnight Жыл бұрын
Dragonlord Jesus
@nategraham69467 ай бұрын
Probably my favorite king. Does anyone actually know exactly what the Septon’s Vows are?
@WorldOfWesteros7 ай бұрын
not specifically but there are a few things we can infer, for example they typically only go by there given name and don't seem to marry. A few a speculated they could be similar to a knight's vow. I used to think they gave up lands a titles but as Baelor proves that may not be the case unless he was an exception to the rule
@nategraham69467 ай бұрын
@@WorldOfWesteros Very good points. I hope they get explored in more detail someday. That and more about the faith in general, including the contents of the Seven Pointed Star.
@bbtfan795722 күн бұрын
When it became obvious that Baelor would father no heirs and the Iron Throne would pas to his line, the first thing Viserys should have done was arrange for his deprave degenerate son to have an unfortunate accident. Think of how much grief that would have spared the realm.
@williamdaniels97285 ай бұрын
Damon Blackfyre is so obviously Baelor's son that was somehow consummated with Daena. Think about it logically, why would a pious man need to literally "lock up" his sisters if he had no desires of them? Daena's namesake "The Defiant" is literally because she broke out so much and "wanted" to consummate her marriage with Baelor. It's all there in Fire & Blood or the ASOFI wiki if you care to know more. Baelor obviously didn't want to bed his sister and tried his best not to but in the end that's what happened somehow. It seems like he was intentionally trying not to have an "heir" and the only logical reason I can seem to think of is because he has some sort of prophetic dragon vision that his heir-son (if he were the have one) would tear the realm apart so in order to avoid that possible future he tried to make himself celibate, but it didn't work because of Daena's determination and obsession to "consummate". Why else would a pious man fast himself to death over the birth of sister's son if it was some other man's sins or responsibility? It doesn't make sense, and it only makes sense if it was HIS son that was born and he felt guilt for this. Viserys or Daena came up with the plan to pass Damon off as one of Aegon's many bastards. I think she probably slept with Aegon after bedding Baelor to give Aegon The Unworthy the illusion the child was his when in reality she was already pregnant with Baelor's child (Damon Blackfyre) - maybe Aegon The Unworthy always knew the child wasn't his? In addition to all this and to complicate things further Dareon II isn't actually Aegon's son either but the son of Aemon The Dragon Knight and his sister Nerys, that one is more widely known. The end result is Dareon is older, wiser, a smaller framed guy and seemingly a good person & politician is actually a love child bastard doing his best to hold the throne and the kingdom together and all while bringing Dorne into the fold (something not even Aegon The Conqueror could do) and Damon Blackfyre is the younger warrior knight, popular everywhere and liked by all who doesn't know until much later in the story that he is actually the rightful heir to the throne and technically has a higher claim than Dareon. Aegon threatened Dareon multiple times to disinherit him and may have been the motive Dareon needed to kill Aegon and take his place and basically go about the business of putting the kingdom back together after Aegon trashed it. Really Aegon's only sons are the two that hated each other and worked around both Dareon & Damon in the background and that was Bryden Rivers and Aegor Bittersteel.
@louisekenway34553 ай бұрын
Holy shit... I gotta ask,when Baelor rescued Aemon.was he really bitten by the snakes? He could have died there in the pit but he lived
@williamdaniels97283 ай бұрын
@@louisekenway3455 Well he had to be bitten by the snakes because Aemond Dragonknight threw him over his shoulder and he was in a coma for weeks to months so yeah I'd say he definitely got bit by those snakes. But the real miracle is that he somehow survived both the walk to Dorne and the snake bites. When he awoke from that coma he became even more fanatical in his Andal (faith of the seven) actions & beliefs. Possibly he was spurred on by his survival believing it the will of the gods. What's even more fascinating is with HOTD Velaryons being black on the show this means Dareon I (The Daring) , Baelor, his sisters and possibly Damon Blackfyre (if he is Baelor's son) are all bi-racial and of a higher Velaryon ethnic percentage than the platnium "white" targ dominant genes that carried on in Viserys II & Aegon The Unworthy, Aemond Dragonknight, Dareon II, Egg, Mad King, Rhaegar, Danerys. With later generations having added Dornish to the gene pool. It seems to me as if Brynden Rivers (three eyed raven) while he was on his feet was purposely trying to eliminate the Velaryon line for some reason by declaring for Dareon II and trying to kill all the Blackfyre's. Maybe something to do with prophecy (as usual)
@eduardoshinel46793 ай бұрын
i think one of the main reasons why Viserys could have set this up was to prevent Baelor's image as pious being maculated in the eyes of the smallfolk who loved him
@williamdaniels97283 ай бұрын
@@eduardoshinel4679 Exactly. Viserys II is described like a Tywin or Otto. Also a hand to multiple kings. This dude was saavy & smart. He had three motivations. To preserve Baelor's image & character and public disgrace. To ensure there would be no more future divisions or wars with "the faith of the seven" or smallfolk, and most importantly to secure his & his sons (Aegon The Unworthy) line to the throne. An interesting detail with the Velaryon's being black on the show means that Baelor, his brother Dareon I (the daring) and Baelor's sisters (and possibly Daemon Blackfyre) were all bi-racial Targaryens while Visery II & Aegon The Unworthy came from Rhanera & Daemon's line so they have the platnium white Targ features that carried on to Dareon II, Egg, The Mad King, Rhaegar, Danerys.
@WillyOrca3 ай бұрын
No, it would have to be a tossup. We know that she was sleeping with Aegon the Unworthy enough to at least convince him it was his son. Of course, naturalizing your bastard because he's everything you wanted in a son, whilst simultaneously rejecting your true born son/accusing him of being the result of an affair because he fails to live up to that standard, and then finding out that the bastard was not yours, and the true born son was; IS classic GRRM irony.
@jacowithrice80583 ай бұрын
Dudes gotta be one of the worst, and not because of outright vile character traits like aerys 2 or aegon 4. Just does dumb shit because he thought it’d make him more pious 🤦🏼♂️
@johnbotcher8752 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@carastone3473 Жыл бұрын
…peace between the SIX kingdoms and Dorne. Dorne WAS the seventh kingdom.
@Baelor-Breakspear10 ай бұрын
Baelor the blessed?? Psssh more like Baelor the butcher
@alarsonious20714 ай бұрын
Can anyone get me a copy of The complete History of Castle Nightsong by Maester Eurodice? I need it for research.
@matro2 Жыл бұрын
Baelor the Based.
@charlottewalnut3118Ай бұрын
Bealor the hyper cringe
@Simon-A.-Tan11 ай бұрын
People like to throw the term "mad" around a lot in the ASOIAF-fandom, but, much like in the real world, "madness" doesn't exist in Westeros. What we call "madness" or - in our world - "mental illness", is just a throwaway term for "unconventional behaviour".... mostly for an otherwise normal aspect of human behaviour that got pushed to it's extreme: distrusting people you don't like is normal, but Aerys II distrusted everyone who didn't promise him heaven.... people search for higher meaning, but Baelor overused it as a coping mechanism. Especially people in positions of power will oftentimes succumb to overdoing such things, since they rarely face people who are "allowed" to pull them straight. THIS is Targaryan madness, not some weird inexplicable curse.
@hitrapperandartistdababy4 ай бұрын
Oddly enough one of the most annoying kings imo lol. Despite being a pacificst he was so to a sickening level I could only compare to the sickening levels that Aegon IV was greedy