WOTC Desperately Defends Cash Grabs + MTG Commander Ban Drama Intensifies

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[@TheMagicHistorian]

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[@PawzBrownMTG]

Sounds like WOTC is smoking 🚬 that good stuff. PURP huh lol

[@tcgmetaslayer4202]

thanks for explaining why the set was called thunder junk lol karlov manor is the best mtg set of the year imho

[@MTGMOXMAN]

Boomstick

[@robertrichards9565]

We know for a fact that WOTC is lying by saying they gave up a big chunk of money, because if that were true, shareholders could literally take the CEO to court over it.

[@tarkus1113]

If they’re lying. It’s lying by admission. This better get Chris Cocks out -_-

[@dimitriid]

You mean Cynthia Williams? Oh no wait, that's right, *she resigned* a few months ago for what I'm sure are unrelated reasons like the utmost truthful behavior 🤣🤣🤣

[@AlexRedStar]

Thats why people are asking for evidence and for thise who sent those threats identity to be shown. The lack of evidence and just take tjeir word for it? Is suspicious at best specialy when Wzards sent pinkertons to a persons house and now they want to act like they are the heroes makes you question everything they say or do.

[@Terry_and_Glenn]

​@@tarkus1113omission*

[@RandomAnonamo]

@@tarkus1113as long as people continue to buy enough product to turn a profit, there is no reason to oust him.

[@FrostiKing]

You know, I've been into magic... a very long time, I remember when they said the new borders were going to ruin magic (I mean the start of modern boarders back in Mirrodin/8th edition) I know corporations aren't my friend, they are a business and care about money and pleasing shareholders. They don't care about me, or the health of their own investment. But to me... Magic is like an old friend, one who has been there, pulled me out of some of the roughest times of my life, just kind of a gentle comfort. And whats going on, and has been going on since after War of the Spark, is like watching your old friend, meet someone new, a woman who is manipulative, cruel, shushes them, and your friend changes for the worse and pretends to be happy, says the sex is fantastic but can't say anything nice about this person, they start leaving you to be with her because she is dictating who can and can't be their friend. And when you try to help them they always have an excuse for the toxic relationship they are in, they make excuses for the other person, and you just watch things get worse. I'd really like my old friend back.

[@jimmysoup6047]

When they abandoned the 3 block story sets, that spelled the end for me.

[@109968shadowboy]

That and the MSRP saying that stores around the world don’t use it and to reduce confusion but they’ve had the most confusing set boosters ever.

[@CajunJynx]

I miss the block era. Bloomburrow would have been a fantastic block

[@EclipseWarlord]

​@@CajunJynxI agree. I wanted to explore Bloomburrow more. The story was short and lame but could have been great. Add that it got so little time to be the current set just shows the greed of WotC and Hasbro.

[@CajunJynx]

@@EclipseWarlord it was the best draft environment I have seen in years. Duskmourn has a great aesthetic and amazing theme work, but Bloomburrow draft was next level fun. I don’t think I bought many packs of bloom, but I definitely drafted it twice a week.

[@pretends2know]

I disagree. I hate the 3 block structure because the second set always sucked, and the 3rd set was always a coin flip. Getting rid of MSRP was sign one for me, and then the consequences of FIRE design was the final nail.

[@alexandercastleberry480]

Only 3 levels of Commander Decks: Precons Jank 7

[@marcoottina654]

4-th : competitive at its extremes

[@wilagaton9627]

​@@marcoottina654 That's a 7 😅

[@brendonford3838]

You’re hired

[@torrentthom4734]

@@brendonford3838 ^ this

[@Xmr2024]

@@alexandercastleberry480 mine are 8's 🤣

[@YabbaDabbaDoo2U2]

I don't see how instant gratification is profitable at all; I sold 8k worth of cards over a year ago. Best decision I've made in a while. I still play some, I just proxy everything. I was the type of player that bought packs/boxes consistently. Hundreds or thousands lost per year from me alone leaving the game.

[@brandonguffey5959]

Commander was Magic's biggest format explicitly because it wasn't managed by wizards of the Coast.

[@andrewmarek1478]

or because it’s 4 player and most players are casual players, and 4 player is more casual

[@brandonguffey5959]

@@andrewmarek1478 well you're just wrong about that. Two headed giant is a four player casual format, it's not even close to the most popular.

[@safertobeanonymous2224]

@@brandonguffey5959well 2 headed giant was our go to before we switched over to EDH in our groups.

[@andrewmarek1478]

@@brandonguffey5959 exceptions to a generality do not negate the generality. If I say people have 2 arms, pointing out that someone exists without 2 arms does not disprove the general statement as still correct. Logic 101.

[@andrewmarek1478]

@@safertobeanonymous2224 That being said I don’t disagree with the statement that WOTC is more likely to f it up than non-WOTC 😂

[@gankgoat8334]

WOTC really needs to relearn the concept of delayed gratification.

[@ClosedOpenness]

Hasbro, is the one forcing the pushes and getting as much money as possible as quickly as possible.

[@InsanityPlea100]

WOTC needs to go to edging classes?

[@rainbowcrash6990]

Only if unfettered capitalism had any interest in deferring profits now for greater profits later. That's the kind of thinking that gets CEOs kicked out by the shareholders.

[@jameshinds2510]

That's actually a really good point. The warning sign was that ETB tapped lands are never competitive against fetches or shocks, so just from card design you can sense the personality fault around delayed gratification. Fascinating.

[@JoanMendoza]

It's not necessarily capitalism, it's the fact that the c suite only cares about quarterly earnings because that's the only thing the board cares about.

[@yohoyoho13]

Hasbro shareholders want to know, if Commander is Magic's largest format, why is an organization outside of WOTC in charge of it? Answer: Because the PLAYERS of Magic created and nurtured it on their own, and created something THEY like to play, unlike what Hasbro/WOTC, produces. They create things that sparkle and shimmer briefly, then wither and rot. Basically, Hasbro thinks the best thing to do is sell candy to a diabetic. Believe me, if Pauper were bigger, they'd find a way to make mythic commons... oh wait,... they sort of tried that already.

[@migsterman67]

“Your deck is a 9 Billy! I’m sick of your cr*p!” 🤣

[@Syphaxis]

I sold my cards over a decade ago, and this all has the feeling of listening to news of a terrible train derailment just a few stops after I got off.

[@quincywilliams9860]

Feeling that vibe. Sucks to hear the screams of metal and people from a distance, but it's always a gamble to step foot from your front door.

[@Mycatz]

Sold out of magic about 10 years ago too, I was a hardcore fan. I have often thought about getting back into it but keep seeing all the poor decisions they keep making. Playing the Star Wars TCG now it's been fun.

[@paulthetexan]

I used to like Mark Rosewater. But I lost all respect for him when he started lying. Now I actively hate him.

[@tarkus1113]

Welcome to the club buddy

[@SinfulTitan]

He hasn't been deserving of what most would call respect for a long long time. If only more people could see it and call him out on his malicious BS we'd be better off.

[@MiqoteMatsiko]

Always has been

[@nikxneon6615]

He's a professional. He has no choice. He has a wife and three kids, and a man's gotta work to make money. He's been in the same job for almost thirty years. It's not so simple as just quitting because he no longer agrees with the direction the company is going in.

[@tegel619]

Dude you know what did it for me? When he started that article about the play boosters saying whoops I didn't know the difference between a draft booster and a set booster. And you know what Play boosters have better pull rates. Then they change the pull rates. And then they just started printing a bunch of rare garbage.

[@GhostlyGhost333]

I can definitely feel a change. I started around og Theros. Left when og Ixalan started and took a break. Then I came back when Kaldheim was introduced, and even then I could feel a change from what mtg once was.

[@bobbymccullough3210]

It's even more prominent the further back you started. I started playing during Scars of Mirrodin (so I was still seeing premodern-style decks all around the Legacy format like Goblins, Standstill, Dutch Stax, Canadian Threshold, etc.) and MTG started feeling REALLY different around 2016/2017. People who have been playing since the 90s probably experience it very differently.

[@saintchronic]

Word og from 94 “Look how they massacred my boy” The Godfather

[@nopedefnope9924]

Bingo, idk why ppl haven’t been able to identify more clearly that it’s never power that’s the problem, it’s the revolving door on power. Ban old, print new, cause players to constantly open wallet for meta. Simple.

[@ikestoddard2458]

I actually gave up MtG for a while at OG Theros. Missed Amonkhet. Picked it up again later.

[@isaacfaith9369]

In these crazy times its great to see you still maintaining a positive vibe. I wish you & yours to have a good autumn.

[@sirrickthe2nd583]

WOTC hates their players and think they're all just dumb ATMs. Stop giving WOTC your money.

[@NateTmi]

yup this is magic now. I summon iron man & I equip him with glimmer light & now I have him slap your blocker with a fish by casting Longstalk Brawl & u can keep the fish.

[@thesciencemobile]

I could actually see them not unbanning jeweled lotus and crypt but printing new versions that are just slightly different, saying "we fixed em!" Then even ppl who had lotus and crypt would need the new card

[@marcoottina654]

fixed? nah, an apparent downside that synergizes and becames an engine/enabler that's power creep baby

[@bbionik007]

I'm not buying into that mentality. The rocks are fine.. in my play group and most people I talk to . The problem is a 1-3 turn crypt sol rol lotus. I mull those cards bc later I the game they're balanced. You want to play fair .. play those cards after turn 4.. after green has 5 + lands lmao

[@Squee_666_9]

Yeah we're not going to buy into new expensive staples unless they unban crypt and lotus. There are a lot of people holding for now trying to decide if we're going to sell or stay. I'm one of them.

[@bbionik007]

@@Squee_666_9 I'm not selling my crypts. Fuck that .. I'm going to use em bc rule zero says I can with consenting adults. I never play sanctioned commander 🤮. I don't like competitive magic.. how ever I do LOVE magic the gathering which is why I let my friend play with my beta power 9 set bc he came in second at eternal weekend one year with paradoxical outcome deck.. and man I love watching vintage. I'll be at eternal weekend this year in November.. I'm stoked.. and yah from someone who has spent more money than I care to admit on magic I'll be damned if I buy any staples . My crypts :: off top of my head couple mono Brown played one altered, one foil modern Masters whatever set that was one foil expedition. I didn't consider for a second taking them out of the decks that can handle taking 20+ damage from it ... And you know what sol ring ~ no downside. I turn one soul Ring that's ass but a turn 3,4 or 5 sol ring is fair.

[@bilbo100989]

wotc did not promise that they would not unban dual lotus and mana crypt. they said they had no plans to ban anything, just wanted to clarify that.

[@BlueGriffin20]

They get one shot to unban it. Either it stay unbanned as unbanning it farther down the road after their unban wave reduced confidence. Or they unban it not, but shows their greed streak.

[@eden_oni]

@@BlueGriffin20 There is a multitude of reasons why they may unban them, it doesn’t have to be negative. If they don’t unban them, then I suppose you’ll say they’re keeping them banned because they want to greedily make new chase cards in their stead. Can we just be optimistic that they’re trying to make the game work- because that IS profitable for them, and benefits players.

[@leox.jaramillo3231]

Yeah, but Indo believe an unban will come a couple of years down the line when they want to Sell a set and the outrage is well in the past. Corporations don't feel shame.

[@luketfer]

Not only that but what JLK is saying is in direct contradiction to what other members of the CAG have been saying. Watching that video he comes across as very salty that the RC didn't hand the format to *him* and his friends to be incharge. Also this is the guy who never wants anything banned.

[@BlueGriffin20]

@@eden_oni No, if they don’t unban them they will be sticking to the RC’s decision to better slow the format and towards the causal health/spirit of commander.

[@CharlesB42388]

I believe WOTC telling the CRC not to ban lotus & crypt was a combination of both

[@Xmr2024]

And they propped up the RC to take the fall AFTER they finished getting rid of their chase product and told the RC they could ban it! Mike's right they will power creep the hell outta commander and then unban them- if they do it now it may look weird.

[@luketfer]

@@Xmr2024 I suspect we'll see 'tweaked' version of those cards printed, a Mana Soul Gem that is 0 cost, domes you for three when tapped, taps for 2 as a replacement to Mana Crypt.

[@vennom14]

You have a secret lair!?! CASH GRAB!! "It's a 9 Billy! I'm sick of your lies!" Lol

[@7thCircleHobbies]

Money The Gathering

[@chaosdoughnut5277]

I wish we could get a "Universes Beyond: Magic: the Gathering" set. That'd be pretty cool. I hope they'll give Hurloon Minotaur a card!

[@georgeplymale8644]

That's why they've been making all this morph variants even though they fucked up morph. Because they can litigate out all those card mechanic names, in remake a new magic card game

[@TheDarkElder]

Ah, sure, they just do it "for the community". The only community WotC cares about is the shareholders of Hasbro as they need to answer to their bosses and their bosses!

[@opensourceanglers8291]

Really love what you're saying about identity. The whole flavor and feel of the game has been abandoned. And now that it's piggybacking on all this pre-existing IP, I think the game has clearly peaked. They just squeezed to hard to try to extract ever more money from the property and have really lost the way.

[@razielwinter]

Damn. I was expecting "I know it's karlov, and I don't care "

[@vasylpark2149]

I prefer Markov's at Karlovs Manor.

[@KaoticWhisper]

With the way WotC is trying to bury their IP's, you may have to change your name to The Magic Archeologist

[@larryc4106]

They quite literally said they wouldnt sell modern decks because they can sell commander decks for more money. They literally cant get it together. Wrong artwork on finalized cards, ai artwork, card errors, misprints in ALL kinds of places, bad skus, delivering the wrong product to distrubitors/ LGSs and then sending pinkertons to fix their mistake... WotC does not care about the game.

[@RayneOfSalt]

Putting the wrong artwork or border on cards is classic wotc though. They've been doing that since revised.

[@christopherb501]

8:23 Don't forget the Alchemy tie-in, a similar gallery of third-string ideas.

[@Earthboundmike]

I LOST MONEY ON THIS PIECE OF CARD BOARD SO I WILL DESTROY IT TO LOSE ALL MY MONEY. What?

[@dinobonoid3348]

I have a theory that MaRo is under a gag-order from hasbro as to not speak too ill of certain aspects of magic, since he has enough influence that if he were to say something polarizing, then players would acknowledge the stupid choices made in the past few years, and choose to opt out on more products. I take everything he says with a HUGE grain of salt because I feel like he has a corporate executive breathing down his neck and forcing the most profitable human resource reply to the questions on his blog.

[@nikxneon6615]

In the past two or so years, the tone of MaRo's voice on his podcast has changed. He used to be happy. Now there's an undercurrent of pain and frustration running through everything. What torture, to have a genuine sort of person be forced to lie for his superiors.

[@Xmr2024]

Whatever he's just mark sewer water to me- he IS corporate now.

[@mix-n-match834]

I never liked MaRo, tbh. And after that entire bs with stickers in last un-set to situation from now my feels just got confirmed - he's not able to manage crap and just was bullshiting it entire time. The only way for MtG to survive is getting rid of this PoS and replacing him with competent person.

[@StudioMudprints]

Still waiting to see the Book Crypt become affordable so I can just get it back. It's only gotten pricier. Not valuable anymore, sure, sure.

[@apollotuba]

Serious question: how do we know WotC isn't responsible for the threats to the Rules Committee members in order to engineer the very situation that unfolded? They hired the effing Pinkertons, I wouldn't put *anything* beyond them.

I don't follow the people who put magic on the map, but if they are still alive. They need to be in charge of everything and fire the current fucking trash.

[@nopedefnope9924]

Ultimately the ones to blame are the playerbase. Hasbro can make unlimited bad calls and people will still buy enough of their dogs**t to warrant more of the same. If we had any ability to do the “rite” thing, players would band together and buy no product until hasbro was forced to sell back to wotc. We have more than enough cards in the format to keep busy and hold out for 6 months to a year.

[@terthna7186]

Corporations run by short-sighted idiots rarely learn the lesson you'd hope they would, when you protest their products by refusing to buy them. More often than not, they just think it means they finally succeeded in killing the market; meaning it's time to liquidate, and move on to the next cash cow they'll run into the ground.

[@zentec010]

Actually, in the US WOTC didn't own Commander format, yes, they created the game, but you can make your own rules and make it your own you just don't own any of the IP complicated and frustrating on how IP law works. It's how the NFL can't copy right football but if they injected something awesome and new into the game and made it wonderful, they could patent that part of the game so no college, XFL, Arena football could not use unless they pay up. In America they have commercials for people stating if you can improve a current patented item contact them, because if you can make it something better you can stop the owner of said item from doing it also if they haven't patent it. Video game controllers are an example the simple D-pad was patented Nintendo actually owned it a slice of money was paid to them for making controllers with that and it just came on to the free market about 10 years ago. I don't mind UB but Magic needs to Magic. High fantasy art is what got everyone interested in the Magic going to different plains may change up the art style a bit, but it started losing the fantasy part to it. It feels more Sci-Fi-Ish then High Fantasy which is how I felt about original magic. I think magic should go back to High Fantasy setting for all sets maybe once a year go to a more technical world were things looks out the norm more artifacts people relying on science more than magic. That should be on its own schedule for the year. Universe Beyond could be its own thing and for commander's sake some cards could cross over for the fun of it, but UB would be on its own release schedule. Standard magic has its own release dates and UB has there maybe they crisscross on the dates, but stories don't combine, and people can pick and choose what they want to follow one or the other or both. They would still make money but separate the types and stick to stories make sense and keep in coherent instead of the mess it is now. Since All will be one it feels like they have been just dumping out things hoping they stick and adding Jace somewhere doing something seems like a place holder why they try to get their ducks in a row.

[@Beckola44]

Like I said before, Cocks is the Puppet Master pulling ALL of the strings for Hasbro / Wizards and DnD. The company lies to our face. I am not a fan of the 4 tier Commander deck system. Our group has cut back dramatically where we stopped buying sealed boxes. We will get the Pre-cons from our LGS. We play Commander and will still use Jeweled Lotus, Mana Crypt, and Dockside. We also use proxies. Thank you for the video Magic Historian.

[@NoahRobertson-w4b]

Never cared about Commander, several years ago it was a neat niche thing. Good for the odd something different for a round. But it's eaten the game I knew. I haven't been able to play in years. The reaction to these bans I find hilarious though. Used to be we'd hear about a ban happening and go "oh, guess I can't play this at FNM anymore, oh well" and we'd move on. The Kitchen table was always the place to be. Trades kept tables light hearted... Then it was gone. The first MTG finance articles rally hurt, everyone was price trading and sharking everyone else. and it's only gotten worse. Wonder if this is how die hard Star Wars fans feel.... (by the way, any IP that isn't expressly unique to MTG is a cash grab. Seriously, did anyone get Brother's war for the chance to get a Megatron, or was it because of the huge nostalgia factor, which was a cash grab in and of itself.)

[@yohoyoho13]

Remember all the hype around the MTG Movie..... Pepperidge Farm remembers. Anyone getting into the game now is like Where's my Negan, and who the F are Jace and Lilliana?

[@OPINION27743beta]

They've been struggling to balance commander and now they think they can balance 4 separate tiers? These might as well be 4 different formats when you consider how vastly different the available cardpool will be, and you will probably need to carry 2-3 different tiers to get into pick up games. Also, if a table carefully built their decks to fit within the restrictions of tier 2, im not sure how cool they'll be with "my deck has ancient tomb/vamp tutor and all THESE but take them out and im ALSO a 2!"

[@MechAleXtreme]

Problem is if wizards do unban mana crypt and jeweled lotus, they'll be opening themselves up to future death threats from people who would then think it's OK to do that when they disagree with a ban

[@terthna7186]

This is the internet; they'll get death threats no matter what they do. People get them for saying they like pineapple on pizza, and for saying that they don't. Besides; what if they sent the death threats trying to get you to do the opposite of what they're demanding? Then sticking to you guns means you're just falling right into their hands; better to just not let the actions of such people affect your decision making in either direction.

[@ryanday633]

I could care less about commander because I don't play it much. I only play eternal formats that don't change much like premodern, old school 93/94 , legacy and vintage. I do feel bad for commander players and understand the frustration. For now this could go two ways , it could stay the way it is or go completely down hill even more. As far as the game having only two decades left I find it hard to believe. There will always be a generation that will discover the game and therefore the need for more product will always be in demand. I started playing in 1998 and it's 2024 so I think we have to a bit naive to think that way.

[@bobbymccullough3210]

Premodern is really where I'm having the most fun these days. It's a shame they banned Brainstorm and FoW, but whatever, at least there's real costs to including cards in your deck and all the card game theory I learned for the past fifteen years still applies.

[@dannydevito4338]

You mean you COULDNT care less. If you could care less, then you would.

[@serhatkucukberksun3523]

from day one i found the bans fishy with all the arguments about them that rc declared are also sound fishy. since they said they wantedto slow down the game by getting rid of explosive turns but leaving cards like gemstone mine, mana vault, any mox, lotus petal, dark ritual etc alone... and i thought that there is probably more bcs they cant be that stupid to not forsee global outrage since not everyone is has unlimited money and maybe they just wanted 1 powerfull deck and bought the most promoted and in your face cards by trusting rc and wizards. and they shoot their own leg like this? and wizards benefitting from it? and all those rc guys still have sponsors for their cahnnels from single card selling sites? yeah not fishy at all. and they bail out when things get heated that they definitely know they dont live under a rock.. i even think of bribery or payment behind the doors if wizards were desperate enough. since bans doesnt mean shit for wizards they can just print a new jeweled lotus and mana crypt like card.

[@paullavoie5542]

I got 60 proxies for sale, 999$ though, hope you don't mind.

[@concretedad3238]

The views on this video, keep it up brother! Your doing a phenomenal job.

[@jarrettmaurice3070]

My friends are going back to the 5-color format. With ante and scribs and proxies. 20 life 250 cards 25 each color singleton no bans. It remains the only format WotC can’t destroy lmao

[@rlbarney2]

With the introduction of the 4 tiers for decks, I can totally see WotC finally making cEDH a sanctioned format. Then they can finally unban the money makers. (Ironically typing this as the same concept is being discussed in the vid.) 😂

[@derrickpaulson3093]

I would appreciate this. I have the banned cards and ONLY put them in my cedh decks where they belong.

[@moemothmann6760]

"Markdown Manor" Fing Savage

[@RaceBandit]

I'm a bit surprised I hadn't already heard that one.

[@nickd6303]

Kellan's story was such mess from start to finish, the story was better with the planeswalker focus.

[@TheMagicHistorian]

Kellan was a knee jerk reaction to try and fix the stories they had for the next few sets so they rush jammed him into sets like Markov Manor and Lost Caverns. They had to repaint over other characters that were in the art that featured kellan. They even messed up and released one of the card arts that had the wrong character instead of Kellan.

[@konnmehameha]

Cash grab? I don't understand why it's a surprise that wizards wants to make money? Cards have been broken from the majority of sets it's gonna keep happening. It's 2024 collabs are a smart business move and the biggest set ever is Lord of the rings, you can not like it but it's extremely successful and brought many new players in. And it made them tons of money. And yes this drama sucks but wizards is doing what they can like it or not they now have control but the success of the format is a direct correlation of their pockets.

[@stroodlepup]

The next investors meeting is gonna be so goddamn rewarding😂😂😂😂😂

[@SnackCakes]

If they honestly cared about world building, they would release books and articles. The fact they always involve cards tells you they're lying

[@jessewhite1679]

Pretty sure pauper commander and cube r gunna be the new popular formats for for creative play.

[@registereduser]

“Hooray for me, Billy! Hooray for me!”

[@RyukeDragon]

I don't care what WotC says about any of this, commander has gotten its final rules update.

[@smack80]

2025 releases Quad Commander including the Quadratic lotus, adds 2x2 mana

[@paraboxmodular]

it seems WOTC told the rules comitee to NOT do the BAN. Might get reversed. I just saw Worldfire was unbanned 3 years ago and wasn't aware of it. I truly see Jeweled Lotus unbanned but don't care about the cards even if the crypt would be fair...

[@Zebulization]

It just makes me sad. I quit over ten years ago. I made an attempt to play about five years ago. I went down to the local card shop, then made a standard legal deck and just got demolished repeatedly. The rules hadn't changed that much, but the cards were so unreasonable. I hadn't realized that even the common cards have hidden rarities. "Technically, that is a common card, but you are only going to find two of them on average in a booster box." Lol what? Oh it's true. I just felt old and out of my depth. I just watch this channel out of morbid curiosity. The Historian is entertaining even if the game itself isn't.

[@certanmike]

they have had hidden rarer cards forever hell they have rare tokens

[@CyphersBasement]

In order to keep from fatiguing the playerbase, WOTC should spend a few months on testing the upcoming and prospective sets. I don't care what anyone says; This is how it should be done.

[@raykoonce5474]

I filed a compliant with the FTC, i suggest everyone else does so it gets attention.

[@ryanhefner2011]

Where do you do that? And for what reason?

[@SaltySparrow]

I find it interesting that jeweled lotus is surging in price again.

[@yurisei6732]

I believe them when they say that they want MTG to be around for as long as it can be. At the end of the day, Rosewater is still a game designer. He used to be very passionate about magic, and somewhere buried under all the years of corporate shilling is still that guy who wants MTG to be great. The problem is, now MTG's future doesn't just depend on players liking the game, it depends on shareholders viewing the game as profitable. If profitability slumps, MTG gets its funding cut to keep the profitability looking good while shareholders dump their Hasbro stocks, and then MTG loses more staff and probably gets sold off to another company that is even more profit-minded. Universes beyond products probably are necessary to keep shareholders thinking that continuing to fund MTG products and events is worthwhile, it's just that the game that comes out the other end of a decade of universes beyond is no longer "Magic the Gathering".

[@nikxneon6615]

I stopped listening to Mark Rosewater's podcast after listening to it religiously for over six years, not because he started lying, but because I couldn't stand the agony behind his voice that he's being forced to say things he straight up disagrees with. What torment for an otherwise genuine sort of person.

[@mix-n-match834]

MaRo is a fraud, tbh. He was a good, believable fraud for quite some time but the bullshit galore from last un-set and forward just made it clear than he's too old to keep up good act and his mask is slipping down. He's an extremely poor game designer with bloated ego and complete detachment from playerbase.

[@AlexRedStar]

The comite actually was taking every casual players complaint with the banned cards the ones screaming the loudest with the bannings? Was big investors. So it seems strange they are pinning the deaththreats on the players when most wanted those cards banned. So i would not be surprised that those who sent those threats come alittle close to wizards and its investors than the players who use rule 0 regardless of the bans.

[@edwardpaddock2528]

Reminds me of the old, type 1, and type 2 decks, from back in the day.

[@andreasmueller337]

I looked at the roadmap and recognized there were 9 releases this year incl. Foundations

[@Gamepiececommander]

Duskmourn is more of a set to improve standard, I think. Nice to draft.

[@charlescarter7817]

You know how you know when Mark Rosewater is lying? He opens his mouth or post something in writing to the players.

[@Firevine]

He's always been disingenuous at best. I don't know why people are surprised.

[@christianbarrett3040]

I still wouldn't be surprised if WOTC bought out the rules committee

[@BattleAxeRX]

Yay, i love ridiculous days in MtG. Played against someone with probably level 3 and level 4 stuff (yesterday).

[@NateTmi]

if you are on a card the effect should say "my bones hurt"

[@brandonguffey5959]

Strixhaven was supposed to be a harry potter tie in and there was supposed to be a Skyrim set but it fell through....wizards isn't even trying anymore

[@murphygoodman2277]

I hate that I like playing this game. I hate that the community for the most part is so awesome and it’s such a great way to meet different people. I hate these things because of how rapacious wizards is.

[@dannyfrisby7851]

I'm being 100% honest here, I have the imagination needed, I built a free roam pen and paper, rpg from the ground up. Xp system. Combat system. Story board with infinite reset potential(should you ever be able to actually finish the game, we've been playing nearly 10 years, and only one person has played nearly 90% of a single campaign, most people are around 5-10%). I could build realities for them. New creatures. New worlds. Everything. They could match the cards to it. I would be ecstatic to do it, I just don't think they'd be willing to go back to this style... making something new up that's closer to their own content.

[@Theanthill216]

As least fallen empires is still only $9 a pack in 2024 & has reserve list cards……. aftermath set was not draftable, no value outside the mythic slot /training grounds, and priced as a normal booster box for 24 pks of 5 cards.

[@RayneOfSalt]

$9 a pack for FE?? Lordy, I remember buying a box of mirage boosters once and the dude in the shop offered me boxes of FE for $6 each cos he had so many and couldn't sell 'em.

[@renzuki5830]

Honestly it just shows there is unlimited corporate greed. People who haven't been around oftens say "wotc has become greedy" which isn't wrong per se given their recent push for more growth, but the company hasn't been consumer friendly ever. If they hadn't made MTGO prohibitivly expensive, they actually had a chance to take over the online market. There are quotes from devs on MTGA who said "they didn't know the pricing, so they doubled it to see if they could get away with it". For reference I played online poker professionally during that time and casinos took WAY less of a fee for competing in events than WOTC.

[@Scott-qv4nj]

So as an outside observer, if Commander was made by an outside group, can they not just make another?

[@DDTRAINER]

MTG is just cardboard Fortnite now.

[@Garl_Vinland]

So you're saying Iona and Golos can be unbanned?

[@Firevine]

Commander continues to be the worst thing to happen to Magic since Mark Rosewater.

[@Shannon_Vlogs]

Oh indeed the day finds me well 😊

[@dominicmetzger3246]

This has been one of the best years for mtg sales still 😅

[@jean-pierrejoubert2438]

Another solid video. Always a pleasure to hear you talk about this stuff you so obviously care deeply about.

[@omahonda]

Grandma will still buy you Morgic: the Gimling, Billy!

[@terror2259]

Just wait until WOTC use up all Ip’s for universes beyond! What then?

[@tarkus1113]

The Death of Magic.

[@yurisei6732]

Live action reboots.

[@alexmanzanares200]

thats the thing. It doesnt. It'll just recylce old IPs. Fortnite been doing this for like 6 years now and still going strong, MTG probably will too

[@Kjos_jax]

The real question is why was the RC ever a thing in the first place? Five people should never have been dictating how the rest of us play the most popular form of magic on Earth. I always looked at their banned list as more of guidelines than actual rules. It's up to us how we play. It's all about fairness. I will not stop running my jeweled lotus in my 6 and 7 CMC commanders

[@vendettarules1]

10-20 years is very very generous

[@robertadams305]

it is. especially towards 20 year extreme. huge changes could happen within 2-3 year periods.

[@vendettarules1]

@@robertadams305 Oh of course if changes happen that's a given that it could last longer, I just mean going the current course they are.

[@CB-gx5pb]

I’d love to see a deal with the community. Make fast mana and fetchlands accessible and unban dockside and other expensive creatures. Will allow everybody to play while still selling more expensive cards to get certain synergies.🤷🏻‍♂️

[@ProfessorJae]

I don't care for Commander myself....I go on Arena and play Historic and Timeless...

Historic is great.

[@DavidBrown-zp5vs]

we said "not to ban those 2 cards" what they actually said was "not to ban those 2 cards YET"

[@brianclark2526]

Sheldon was old school WOTC and they trusted him and he never really made waves. Kept the money train moving.

[@TheJDanley]

I dont understand how they can control it? What is to keep a group of commander players from publishing a ban list for commander. The original rules committee's authority was derived conpletely from thevfact that people payed attention to them...there was not a mandate from upon high. If I publish a Josh format of magic and it becomes popular is wotc going to take it from me somehow,,,?

[@alexmanzanares200]

well stores, sanction events, every event sponsered or run by wizards, conventions, etc. Which is like where most of the casual playerbase does their commander games, fact of the matter is that like most players are extremely extremely casual and will just follow whatever they google. Like "commander ban list" boom wizards site pops up, follow it. very simple

[@jeromefournier9667]

People don't seem to understand the IPs have inertia, that big IPs have A LOT of inertia, it's why Start Wars is only now really starting to slow down massively. That's what everyone is doing now, cashing in all their IP's inertia. I wonder what will be left when it all finaly crash and burns.

[@johntownsend2078]

The playboosters were a mistake they suck im also not too big of a fan of how they are doing collector packs now either we dont need precon cards in collector packs its stupid, at least the amount you see in them

[@donray4075]

I frankly haven't trusted a thing Rosewater says for a long time.

[@adoo765]

Wow, who would’ve guess…

[@adoo765]

havent buy anything in 3 months, still have all my cards, still having a blast playing, magic IS dying guys

[@johnnyq4000]

We as the players should start our own new rules committee and follow that.

[@alexmanzanares200]

last time we tried, it got taken over by neo nazis lol

[@FruitMonstersTCG]

No such cash grabs from Fruit Monsters trading card game...

[@rhinocheese7831]

I love magic so much but with all of this I just won't be coming back unfortunately

[@Squee_666_9]

Saying that MTG has 10-20 years left is extremely generous and optimistic. I'd say 5-10 max. If they have any sense at all they will unban dockside, crypt and lotus very soon. A lot of people myself included are currently trying to decide whether or not to sell or stay. I know that a lot of players in the format love to hate competitive players but casual players are typically using proxies or building on a budget. It's the competitive players that are really spending money. If wotc wants to keep competitive customers they have to unban.