Would a Loving God Send People to Hell?

Two Christians and an atheist discuss the concept of hell in Christianity! Join David Wood, the Apostate Prophet, and Inspiring Philosophy as they examine one of the most sensitive topics EVER!
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[@an_nie_dyc1386]

How I love to see AP‘s journey to Jesus. David has a mission. Nabeel was only the first strike. Praying for AP.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

He didn't stopped believe I in flying donkeys and talking Ants to start believing in talking snakes and donkeys and zombies

[@doomzstrafe2749]

@@celestialsatheist1535 Believing in those strawmen you constructed is still better than what you believe your comment will achieve.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

@@doomzstrafe2749 my comment had a bunch of duffor talk nonsense. Goal achieved. And and these aren't strawman Kiddo it's your delusional striped naked

[@trmp9923]

and nabeel got blessed with cancer

[@lizzard13666]

@@doomzstrafe2749Bro, this was one of the best comebacks I've seen in a comment section lol

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

AP is the only atheist I respect on KZbin, God bless that man.

[@respectfulgamer7232]

You're silly :)

[@chrismba777]

"God SAVE that man."

[@jacetheshepard1917]

Alex O'Conner is pretty cool, Tom Holland is cool too

[@solideogloria5553]

may God bless him by saving his soul. he was me B.C.

[@juanduenas1943]

I feel the same way. His video on the Trinity is a great example of his good faith.

[@jamalkhan3708]

Ecclesiastes 3:1 “For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven:

[@livingwell5892]

Amen.

[@Adam_A_Christian]

Hopefully they didn't just start planting seeds today, but have been over the years they've been friends. It was concerning to hear AP say even Hitler shouldn't deserve literal hell. "From the treasury of the heart, the mouth speaks," definitely praying for this guy!

[@davidantonucci1161]

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[@davidantonucci1161]

Isaiah 25:9 9 In that day they will say: “Look! This is our God! We have hoped in him, And he will save us. This is Jehovah! We have hoped in him. Let us be joyful and rejoice in the salvation by him.”

[@MegaMrDanne]

Well, radishes take only 30 days from planting to harvest 🙂

[@100_1OO________1]

AP is cool but I'm not sure how he thinks Dawkins and Hitchens have virtuous comments on God. For them to claim that even if God made his existence overly clear and they'd still explain it away isn't virtuous, it's idiotic. That's like a husband trying to prove that he loves his wife, and no matter what he does to prove he loves his wife, his wife explains it away and denies it. In that example, we'd recognize that this is some sort of issue with the wife, but when it comes to the New Atheists, it's somehow "virtuous".

[@ryanprosper88]

That's a great example

[@MrWackywilson]

That's unfortunate to hear from AP but he's had Muslims fuck his head up....what do you expect He may come to Christ....but I think the damage is done😢

[@celestialsatheist1535]

What a Christian comment. You have no idea inquiry works . If something can be explain away by actual logic than thats not denying thats debunking

[@celestialsatheist1535]

​@@ryanprosper88😂

[@celestialsatheist1535]

​@@Agaporis12and where is this evidence?

[@RC_Zak]

I love IP and AP, always a great combo together! I pray for AP for God to come to him, like he did with me when I was searching. Good discussion David as always

[@steelisrael3461]

The gospel is omplete and wholesome. Jesus Christ according to the gospels is the final Judge. I'm sure he will do good! The most important thing is for us to be sincere from within first.

[@MarketingStrategies28]

They found the lost books of the bible under the vatican. They have now replaced the satanic books with the originals.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

Also it's unreliable, contradictory and corrupted

[@castratedbob]

​@celestialsatheist1535 Surely an enlightened hyper rational agent such as yourself has something better to do than comment in every thread on this video 😂

[@celestialsatheist1535]

@@castratedbob what's better than educating Christians

[@ThomasHD25]

@@celestialsatheist1535educating by empty claims. great way of wasting time😂

[@LemonLimeJuiceBarrell]

The Rich Man and Lazarus 19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” It’s really hard to read this and believe what IP says about people in Hell “wanting to be there”. I think it’s really dangerous for Christians to spread this kind of message. Ultimately I think it comes from a misunderstanding of how much God hates sin. When you read the OT I think it’s pretty obvious how seriously He takes justice. The gospel is incredibly simple but we try to twist it and overcomplicate it because we are ultimately trying to soft sell it to unbelievers, which never works. If people don’t understand what they are being saved from then why would they want to be saved?

[@kriegjaeger]

Well said. People who are in hell Reject God, they don't WANT Hell but they don't want God. He also describes hell from a theologian, not from the bible itself as we have in Lazarus and the rich man. Be bold in proclaiming the word. The apostles and Christ himself did not softball the message.

[@jordantowner5995]

Right. That's where my mind goes when I think about that. I can believe that people would 'want to be in hell' in some sense initially. Right up until they get to hell and realize the gravity of that belief. That's when they take on the mindset of the rich man in that story.

[@johnmark6628]

You also have to understand why God hates sin.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

​@@johnmark6628I like your short comment. How do you personally think God perceives our sins? Seemingly we usually have a different concept of sin than God's understanding. Respectfully.

[@irenictone8109]

Well put. This parable also speaks against a possible purgatory.

[@jackieann5494]

AP is such a sincere heart AND his questions identify him as a seeker . Betcha he comes to the Light .

[@wyattearpswoman838]

I pray so.

[@Yossarian.]

Is your prayer likely to cause God to convert AP into a Christian?

[@ofHerWord]

HIs wife would not approve.

[@jackieann5494]

@@ofHerWord Prayers 😇 for his precious wife , as well.

[@leecooper3852]

Despite David being witty and quick off the mark with his ego, There's no such place as hell because you don't have an immortal soul or spirit... Death is the punishment for sin, And everyone who's died has been acquitted of sin. Therefore there is no reason to punish people in hell, This is a pagan philosophy that was introduced after the death of the apostles and the advent of the Catholic Church and the protestant church is instead of getting rid of it ran with it, And Islam not knowing any better ran with it as well, in the seven hundreds... So at the end of the day they're all pagan teachings.... Just as a matter of interest, if David or any of the others would like to get back to me with their evidence, I'd be more than willing to discuss it with them.

[@johnknight3529]

AP- Food for thought. IF (the Judeo/Christian) God exists He can hear you ask for enough evidence to believe He does. There's nothing in the Book (that I am aware of) which precludes Him from responding to such a request from anyone. Indeed, there are several places in the text which seem to me to be inviting just such requests. And, I myself was what we used to call a "strong agnostic" (before the "new atheists" scrambled the lingo to boost their head count, apparently) for most of my now long life . . before I (respectfully) asked a God I didn't believe existed, to "alleviate my ignorance if that is Your will". And to my utter amazement, He did. How is not so important, I don't think, because it was obviously tailored to me (an extremely skeptical person by nature), so I suspect He knows exactly who He dealing with, and exactly how to convince them that He is responding. My only suggestions are that you pay attention to what follows, because He can be very subtle, from what I experienced anyway . . And to avoid accusing Him of not being able to create anything but automatons ; ) " And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone?" (That character you mentioned you found praiseworthy ; )

[@Iluvantir]

God bless you, brother. Just adding this here to agree with you: AP, if you are truly seeking, with a heart open in honesty to go wherever the evidence leads, and willing to ask? God will answer. Jesus said that those who ask are answered, and those who seek find. How The Most High made himself known to me was different than how he did so with Johnknight3529, and is going to be different for everyone. There's no absolute same evidence for everyone, but all the evidence God gives leads to the same path: Jesus. May the Love of our Father, the Grace and Blood of Jesus our Saviour, and the Power and anointing of the Holy Spirit lead you to salvation.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

Somebody didn't do their homework Joshua 10 14 There was no day like that before it or after it, that Yahweh listened to the voice of a man; for Yahweh fought for Israel. You read that?. The sun being stopped by the request of Joshua was the only time where god listened to prayer Pay attention at class Kiddo

[@Hoi4o]

@@celestialsatheist1535 Lol, no. It's you who didn't do their homework. That's just your personal reading and opinion, no Jewish or Christian denomination believes that is the only time God listened to prayer, we also have multiple examples in other, later books of the Bible, both Old Testament and New, where God listens and responds to prayer. You are talking nonsense.

[@Hoi4o]

The problem however is that in order to turn to God, one first needs to believe He exists. I think AP himself isn't sure what exactly stops him, he doesn't seem to be able to articulate what would make him believe.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

@@Hoi4o no there isn't a single time in the Bible where yaweh directly answered prayer. And no there is no opinion here just plain reading . And it doesn't matter what the Christian denominations believe

[@2mexpesos]

2:12:03 being born in a Christian family doesn't make you a Christian, i grew up in a Catholic family then in Christianity however I didn't really understand until I seek for Jesus by myself in the Bible hence we need to be born again :) praying for you AP ❤

[@csmoviles]

Amen 💝🙏💝🙏💝

[@johnmark6628]

This is correct. . You cannot be born a Christian. . You must choose Christ.

[@Gatitakatzen]

Same here. You can’t just say I was raised a Christian by paying lip service. I was also raised a Catholic, but it wasn’t until I searched the scriptures and wanted to know the truth that I became born again. I wish that I could have a chance to sit down with AP and tell him my story. I think he would make the connection. A person is not saved by the religion of their father, but by wanting to know the Truth. If you seek the Truth in love you will find the truth and the truth will set you free. When you find Truth, you find Christ. He is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End and he will come again to judge the living and the dead. All Glory, Power and Honor are His!

[@annekemuller5441]

¹1

[@ge7167]

David has a wonderful sense of humor 😂😂😂♥♥♥♥Just love these guys.

[@lorandd.9126]

no he dosnt , you can see IP getting frustrated at a point , specially when he said the mol rat is AP and IP said ,, no , you are the mol rat what are you talking about`` , he started getting sick of these pokes on AP.

[@francissolis]

More of AP & IP. Solid conversations.

[@201950201950]

"just a man with nail marks in his hands". That's our Jesus praise our Lord. He humbled himself for us. Jesus loves you is an understatement.

[@streetschoolprof.]

Great conversation! YT just suggested this video to me, probably because of a video I did on "Heaven and hell". I come from a slightly different angle in that I was born and raised in a very devout Christian family, and I do believe in God, but I just don't believe in the concept of hell. Maybe someday I can be one of the guests. Cheers!

[@partialacts17apologeticsmirror]

That was an awesome live stream IP/AP/DW. I'm glad that you're going to check out the new movie documentary "After Death" it's in theaters october 27th and it's gonna be pretty sweet because it's going to have firsthand accounts, medical professionals, and scientists in it. Would be most complete if they included skeptics arguments as well and left it up to the viewer to decide. Appreciate the stream, also the mocking ap and saying he was a satan/hitler apologist was great.

[@SuzieQue42]

I started following AP after seeing a YT short. He made me laugh and he’s informative. As a Christian, I really love listening to his philosophies. Separate from finding David Wood and listening to his testimony. Then one day I turned on KZbin, and I see DW interviewing IP. It would be a lie to say I was more than thrilled. Because I really enjoyed watching both channels. To see IP joining DW and AP.

[@ryanparris1021]

‘God dwells in enough light that if you WANT to find Him you will, and in enough obscurity that if you don’t WANT to find Him you won’t’ THIS is the element AP is extracting from the equation. Love him. Iam subscribed to his channel but that is the key he’s discarding and then declaring ‘see…there’s no way to open this door’

[@Adam_A_Christian]

Well said. God is well able. We're the fallible ones with faulty reasoning and less than perfect (inner) motives.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

​@@Adam_A_Christian I agree with your observations. Thanks. God bless.

[@paulvalentine4157]

This is the best live stream I have ever seen.

[@jordantowner5995]

I like the IDEA of IP's proposed view, but in practice and reality, I don't think it makes much sense. The whole "anyone who's in hell wants to be there" thing is a nice poetic idea that sounds fair, just, and loving, but there's no way it's true. Prime example being the story of the rich man and Lazarus (as another comment pointed out). The rich man is described as being in torment, wishing for something to ease his suffering, and wishing for his family not to enter Hades like he had. That doesn't sound like someone who wants to be there in any sense. Also in the same parable there's a few verses I think AP should see: Luke 16:27-31 (NIV) “He[the rich man] answered, ‘Then I beg you, father[Abraham], send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ” I think perhaps, the same could be said about Jesus and the New Testament. Those who have heard and understood the message of the Gospel and do not listen, will not be convinced if someone rises from the dead or any other supernatural event. Furthermore to AP's initial point about those who have heard the proper Gospel message yet remain unconvinced I would say this. What is the difference between this person and someone who has received all the same information yet chooses faith in Christ? Sure I'm opening the whole free will/determinism nature/nurture can of worms, but just consider that. I say the only difference between these two is not some external factor that makes the unbelieving one not responsible for his lack of faith, but is in the will of the person himself. But I digress. Praying for you AP!

[@allgreatnike1009]

Will Smith & Jada being mentioned in a conversation about hell is hilarious, lmao.

[@Johnko12343]

AP has better questions and understanding about hell than the other guy !! Hell is an eternal existence under shame and pain and away from the presence of God. Check Daniel 12:2 [2] And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

[@livingwell5892]

Agreed.

[@midimusicforever]

AP, time to become CP!

[@jackray1337]

Please invite Dr. David Falk (Ancient Egypt and the Bible YT channel) as another guest in this series.

[@1966vader]

According to scripture you cannot get out of hell, Jesus even says in Revelation that those who take the mark of the beast,. And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand, he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” Revelation 14:9-11

[@Adam_A_Christian]

Exactly. "And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever. Day and night there is no rest..." To act as though this is ambiguous - especially if you have any understanding of the scriptures - seems disingenuous. Smoke rising up is a common motif of a sacrifice. Because Jesus made Himself the perfect sacrifice for our sins, when we believe in and worship Him as we are called to, it is a "pleasing aroma [that rises up] to God." Conversely, whatever the mark is, is clearly an act of submission to a being that is Not God. Therefore, the opposite occurs, 'the smoke of their torment' for those who worship the beast instead of God.

[@charissa6648]

Some people over intellectualize the simplicity of the gospel in order to make it fit in with their perspective of Gods character rather then changing their perspective of Gods character to line up with reality. For example; starting with how can a loving God do a or b, and coming to the conclusion that a loving God would not do a or b because He is loving...circular reasoning. The question is what is your idea of love? Now compare that with what God says love is. Most of the time the reasons other doctrines or ideas are birthed is because our understanding of things like love, justice, mercy and grace are fleshly, and we do not know what they truly mean. Beginning with a misunderstanding of God or His Character will never end with a right understanding of His Actions.

[@Powerviolenc3]

The mark of the beast is Islam's shahadah 666 bismillah look it up

[@JamesDirette]

@@Adam_A_ChristianOh yes. Let’s not actually study the word. Let’s just play dumb and act like it was written in english for a 21st century audience. How can you honestly believe in a book you don’t even understand?

[@lordsdisciple]

On the topic of 666, look for John 6 vers 66. There is only 1 book who has a 666 and its the book of John. Read it in context.

[@americaone749]

Where in the Bible, does it mention purgatory? 😒

[@madamcuriouss]

thanks for making these videos, i ALWAYS learn something from these

[@JSRINTX]

I think one of the things AP is missing. Is the human ability to rationalize a rejection of God and especially to shift blame. Look at Adam and Eve, and the Way that Adam responded when he was caught by God. Here's a simple question. Would you rather have heaven where you're in charge? Or heaven where God is in charge?

[@SoYouAreB]

David Wood is genius. I surprise to see that IP has a very good knowledge. We love you IP. Hope and pray that AP will accept Jesus Christ as his personal Savior, sooner than later. We love all of you - it is a very productive and knowledgeable conversation. We have learned a lot from the stream about Hell. God bless you all. Hallelujah!

[@2mexpesos]

1:04:32 AP right again.. very disappointing that IP refers to someone's book instead of what the Bible says. I'm glad DW elaborated and made the contrast of eternal life.

[@stst77]

I like IP but I don’t agree with all his views. I think he is orthodox which would explain his different views to mainstream Christianity.

[@joshbeaulieu7408]

@Apostate Prophet AP's position reminds me of the parable of the rich man and lazarus from Luke 16. The rich man pleads with Abraham to send lazarus with some comfort but is told that a great chasm separates the two sides so they cannot cross between them, and that the rich man's family has already been warned of hell by the prophets; we have the message, and then it falls upon us to seek a softer heart, or to reject the truth. What sort of soil are we?

[@vmasing1965]

I've met God, face to face, so I have no problem with the belief part. I also happen to believe that almost everything we know in this life is so vastly oversimplified for our primitive brains that it's a mere shadow of the ultimate truth. Sort of like those fairy tales you tell your children when they're too young to understand (or even bear) the full truth. So when the Bible tells us the story of Moses and the burning bush, there's no allegory, it's a simple description of real events. No need to overthink it, no need to search for some hidden meaning. And when it describes things like Hell or Heaven, it's not trying to be vague. The vagueness is actually in us -- we simply don't have the frame of reference or processing power for that stuff.

[@phenixorbitall3917]

Wow I am just watching the stream right now and AP asked an excellent question: 40:27 => my answer would be: 1) Any sin committed in full conscent of yourself and in full knowledge of the evil of this sin committed, sends you to hell => regardless of if you are atheist, christian, muslim or whatever 2) Noone is worthy of heaven. The only exception are children or mentally disabled people because they do not have full knowledge of the evil they did or/and because they do not have full conscent in what they did => Children and immature people go "straight" to heaven (after going through a final purification process every soul has to go through which is call purgatory) 3) Children and immature people put aside, noone can earn its way to heaven because we are ALL sinners. Therefore the only way for us to end up in heaven is, if God himself freely allow us to enter heaven. 4) What is Gods criteria for letting sinners like us into heaven? By first demanding that the spiritual price for our committed is paid for first. Happily for us God gives us 2 options: A) to pay ourselves for our sins => which is a bad choice to make sins the only way to pay for sin as human, is to NEVER enter heaven -> that is the whole point of "sin"; hence Adam and Eve B) to let Jesus pay for our sin and to thank Jesus for having payed for our sins => that is the only REALISTIC way to go to heaven 5) In order to benefit from Option B) there are 2 ways: an "ordinary way to salvation" and an "extraordinary way to salvation" => In the "ordinary way to salvation" one has to confess his sins to God, ask God for forgiveness, accept Jesus's sacrifice for him/her, get him/herself baptized (= becoming a christian) and then live a cycle of daily asking God forgiveness for ones sins, daily accepting Gods forgiveness, daily avoiding sin and do good deeds as a sign of repentance -> until one dies. Hence the "our father prayer" => in the "extraordinary way to salvation" God let someone who is not christian also benefit from Jesus's sacrifice BUT it will depend on Gods Mercy only AND it will be a thing influenced by the hidden motives and the real life circumstances of the person in question. The safest way to go to heaven is to chose the "ordinary way to salvation". But for those who are not christian all hope is NOT gone since we can hope that God will apply the "extraordinary way to salvation" on them. If someone is wise and has no real reason to reject the "ordinary way to salvation", then trying to become a christian or at least trying to live at the moral level Jesus Christ teaches christians to live, is the way to go. Anyone (again children and immature people put aside) who does not live a life of repentance and who never do good deeds but only evil deeds however will go to hell - regardless of if he calls himself a christian or not. Sorry for the length of this comment but I think it is sometimes good to be precise regarding questions about faith and such. 👍

[@mcfarvo]

"Purgatory" is speculation/dogma from the Roman/Papal traditions, not Biblical at all, nor from The Gospel

[@phenixorbitall3917]

In fact it is biblical. But since life after death does not function according to the physical laws of time and space AND since purgatory is simply a temporarly purification/sanctification process before encountering God => no believing christian should be afraid of it: - regardless of how long we go through purgatory, it will always be shorter than the eternity we will spend in heaven afterwards - the "fire" of purgatory won't be the type of fire we find on earth since everything coming after death does not obey our laws of physics and chemistry => it will probably be an inner process of the soul guiding the soul towards heaven So no need to be afraid of purgatory I would say 👍

[@jeffreyanderson6021]

​@@mcfarvo Totally agree with you, and one additional thing about this post: There is only one way of salvation and it is nothing to do with the ordinary. It is always supremely extraordinary. I remember John MacArthur saying once that he wouldn't be surprised to meet some specific person in heaven, he would be shocked to be there himself. It is an amazing gift of grace. As far as people who have not heard anything of the death and resurrection of Jesus, and the reason for it, and concerning their eternality, there are two possibilities 1) They will not be admitted into the holy presence of God. Or 2) There is a general or natural revelation of our sin nature, at the same time an understanding of God's holiness. This paradox would need to be worked out in the heart of them, arriving at the same conclusion as the first. This is itself a controversial and debated topic in Christianity, separate from the topic of Heaven and Hell. And whichever one is correct we should not stop from proclaiming the gospel to those who are in need. Paul calls us both the temple of God, and the letters of recommendation. This is also the way we are acting on our beliefs. Either way, whatever nomen the person holds, God will judge the heart. For God "alone know the hearts all the sons of men".

[@phenixorbitall3917]

@jeffreyanderson6021 With all my respect but I never said to proclaim the gospel... Proof: I said people should chose the "ordinary (meaning the from God intended way to salvation". "EXTRAordinary" precisely mean that it is UNusual to be saved without being a christian. I simply disagree with you that God ONLY saves people who CALL themselves christians. Why? 1) You can live as a christian without realizing that you are one => this is similar to what you said about the heart thing 2) Jesus love and mercy should NEVER be underestimated => to say that absolutely 0 non-christian will be saved is absolutely NOT biblical. And last point: A) The purgatory IS biblical B) The purgatory IS real: People who are trained by the church to do exorcism testify that demons and especially "ghosts" that hell AND purgatory are real. It is unwise to dismiss that. C) What is wrong with purgatory being a final sanctifying process before going to God? Salvation ≠ Sanctification => we are saved first and then begin our sanctification process until we become saints as the Bible teaches it.

[@phenixorbitall3917]

Correction: I never said to STOP proclaiming the Gospel

[@adamstewart9052]

I think you and IP with possibly also AP should do a stream focusing on doubts to engage with any audience members who might have one or some and especially with AP in which he's already expressed a doubt based on God knowing who'll go to Hell.

[@sassyrobin420]

All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8

[@balipsette]

Haha I love the thumbnail-AP in flames, IP and D. Wood in heaven 😂

[@stst77]

I finally really get why David took down his other channel. If he had continued on it, he would not be here today, but because he took it down he is more active now than ever before AND all his old videos are still here for everyone to watch which would not have happened if he had kept his channel.

[@LemonLimeJuiceBarrell]

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. Please someone reconcile this verse with what David and Michael are saying. it seems they are having to twist and misapply scripture to come to their conclusion where here in Romans it is stated plainly that unbelievers have no excuse given God’s creation surrounding them. Maybe I’m just misunderstanding Romans idk.

[@airkami]

I know this is an older video but I want to comment anyway. I think it took me 4 years before really understanding the gravity and truth of the gospel to repentance, asking for forgiveness, and recognizing God as my lord and savior. That is when I would be in that 3rd category. If anything happened while I was seeking God that I would have died before finding him in this life. I would certainly have found him after I died. It is my understanding that some people may not reach a point where they see what they need to see to believe without a doubt and what that does it keeps them in the position where they realize they cannot rely on their own understanding to begin a personal relationship with God. Then, when they give up their own understanding God can reach them and open their eyes to see he was with them even before they began seeking him.

[@sethchandler4170]

The only being that could accurately tell you what love is and what the moral standard is would be an infinite, omnipotent, omnicient, all powerful creator. That's really the bottom line. Now you can make all sorts of foolish arguments about how we know better but by the standard of the question itself it would have to be a self defeating argument.

[@gigahorse1475]

AP’s questions are often the same as mine, and I am a Christian.

[@ShadowOfNexxus]

AP will be saved in Jesus name

[@2mexpesos]

❤️🙏🏼

[@KaliKali-hv9bt]

He doesn’t need to be saved

[@jackieann5494]

I get APs question about why a Good God would create souls who He knew would reject Him and therefore be damned . Two things 1) God is outside of time . He sees all that ever was , is and will be . He sees it all right now . He gave us free will to choose and He sees every choice ever made in the Eternal Now of eternity . He does not COMPEL the choice . He sees the choice . If He did not give us the freedom to choose Love , but rather compelled ALL to Love , it could not BE Love. It would indeed be North Korea and those who worshipped Him would be worshipping a tyrant . 2). What GREAT LOVE God has for us to offer us the opportunity to EXIST and , even better , to be able to CHOOSE to live in Love and Joy and Peace with Him in eternity . HE allowed so much suffering and pain , which He felt and experienced on the Cross , in order to experience us and to love us . Yes , he allows and EXPERIENCES suffering for the sake of loving us . He did not have to do that . (I am so grateful) The suffering , as consequence of sin and rebellion , IS love . It's love as sure as the loving discipline we administer to our children is love . It is designed to keep us safe and point us to the path in life that will afford us peace and fulfillment . He is Love . He will draw all souls to Himself . However , He will never , ever , ever force anyone to come to Him ....or force anyone to experience Joy , Peace , Love , in other words , to experience Himself . PS .... I suspect that many know and love the Savior but call Him by a different name or by no name at all . I long to hear His name pronounced in eternity .

[@jenelleclark328]

I think what’s important at the end of the day, is to remember that God is Holy and Just. Whatever type of afterlife there is for the good and the evil, will be just according to the Perfect Judge.

[@themoonissquare323]

2:14:30 literally laughed out loud, a few times.

[@JamesS805]

I had to leave my office i was laughing so hard 😂

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Do you mind if I ask, why the laughter? Respectfully...

[@o00nemesis00o]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Because it's insanely non-sequitur, and ridiculous in its own right, but still held up by Islam as something of great wisdom... Mohammad projecting his apparent incontinence onto everyone else as well.

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

Ohhh my goodness!!! Super hilarious!! What a comedian! 😂😂😂😂😂 The eyes are the leather strap to the anus! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid]

@@o00nemesis00o- Mohd projecting his inner incontinence 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@alexs8335]

I'm an Orthodox Christian, sitting watching this show, have already watched first 45 minutes of it, and I can say that so far AP makes more sense and sounds more reasonable than two Christians sitting next to him. Very weak answers from the Christian side so far. I especially like that question about acknowledgement. That is the Protestants heresy: acknowledge that Christ died for your sin, live your life, be a nice guy, and you go to Heaven. Bravo AP ! It doesn't make sense not only for you, but also for the Orthodox Christians.

[@Mojojojo85757]

A really interesting topic is the study of near death experiences… the similarities across different religions, the patterns or stages that they follow etc… Christian theology and philosophy are both very broad and multifaceted, we do exegesis from the Bible but at the end of the day I don’t think any man on earth can say who will or won’t be “saved”, nor can we comment fully on the nature of “heaven” and “hell”. I remember in particular a near death experience told by an atheist in which he said he met Jesus as he was dying, felt so much sorrow and conviction for his rejection of Christ and disbelief and how he had treated others (because Christ is all about relationship with God AND the rest of humanity) and he accepted Christ right there in that moment, while being “dead” by all known scientific/medical standards, then was shown hell and heaven, and told it wasn’t his time, popped back into his body and felt compelled to follow Christ for the rest of his life. This is just one of many, but I don’t think the skeptics practice of dismissing all personal experience is reasonable. All we have in this world to rely on, at the end of the day, is our personal experience. Of course there is PLENTY of debate around this topic, but if you’re interested in the concept of salvation after death I highly recommend listening to these accounts and reading the vast amounts of literature on the topic. If anyone wants more info I’d be happy to post links/references to some of my favorite material ❤ Love & peace of Christ be with you all ❤

[@Mojojojo85757]

Note that I commented this before that part of the video 😂 apparently this subject was addressed, I should probably wait before I post but I get too excited. Still happy to provide those references though 😊

[@ora_et_labora1095]

I can’t believe David waited for 56 minutes, for the perfect moment, to play that sound.

[@2mexpesos]

37:37 exactly AP you are correct... IP has a wrong understanding of the gospel and is confusing and deceiving a lot of people 😭 "for we live by faith, not by sight" 2 Corinthians 5:7

[@stst77]

I don’t think IP is deceiving people because he believes what he says. I think he is orthodox and they have different views on theology than mainstream Christianity.

[@2mexpesos]

@@stst77 is not "mainstream Christianity" though.. Faith is one of the fundamentals of Christianity

[@Hoi4o]

AP doesn't seem to understand the idea that if we believe objective truth and morality exist, we should pursue them and place them above everything else. We can't say objective good exists, yet deny the absolute need to place it in the highest regard in our lives and manifest it in the reality around us through our behavior and actions. It's a form of cognitive dissonance if we are in denial unwillingly and unknowingly, or outright hypocrisy in the worst case (if we do it willingly and knowingly). In both cases its not logical and rational. If a just, perfect and loving God exists, there are simply no excuses to not worship Him.

[@austinsmith3011]

You do understand that AP (any myself too) does not think this god is real? idk, I read the Bible twice plus years of study in school and I did not find this god just, perfect, or loving.

[@Hoi4o]

​@@austinsmith3011 I was an atheist-materialist for nearly 2 decades before I became Christian, I can understand where you are coming from. I had read the Bible 2 times and had been in the same boat as you for years. It's a long journey from atheism to Christianity and it takes far more than reading the Bible to understand and be convinced. Life experience included. I began delving into philosophy, I read Plato, Aristotle, Epictetus, Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, and I began understanding and appreciating metaphysics. For me personally the transformation began when I understood that objective Good and Evil actually do exist and human life actually does have intrinsic value, regardless of societal norms.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

​@@Hoi4oI like your honesty and scholarly comments. Something for me to ponder. So I appreciate your observations. God bless...

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

​@@austinsmith3011 I like your honesty but I'm curious, what parts of the Bible did you read? I have problems with understanding the Old Testament scriptures but I do perceive Jesus Himself as "perfect" and "loving". Respectfully...

[@Hoi4o]

@@johnbrzykcy3076 Most atheists, myself included, when I was one, are turned away by the genocidal judgement over whole cultures and cities by God in the OT plus the quite harsh laws listed specifically in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Related to that, there are very interesting archeological findings in the past 30 years by both secular and religious academics, that prove the child sacrifices from the OT. There is currently significant physical scientific proof that the Canaanite pagan cultures really sacrificed babies and toddlers to their demonic deities and idols.

[@elosocial]

DW rap skills top notch ! jamming to it !

[@s3v3n3]

I do believe in post-mortem salvation but not in the way IP explains. In the Hebrew Bible, the place where souls go to is Sheol(hell), and since the beginning of time before Christ came is where those souls went, but Sheol is still punishment to those who are tormented by thoughts of their evil deeds, those who lived righteously will go to heaven, and according to God's will because every one has God's law written on their heart. IP does make an interesting point that eventually all souls in hell will either be annihilated or will be granted God's mercy, my view is that Sheol(hell) is just a temporary punishment, until the second coming of Christ, in which Christ will judge the living AND the dead *(2 Timothy 4:1),* then once Satan is cast into the lake of fire, both hell and death will be thrown into the lake of fire(Revelation 20:14), which in my eyes means hell itself is sort of just a carrier into spiritual destruction. Now for post-mortem salvation, I think people who die and have never heard of Christ or the Gospel, or even those who lived before, will be judged according to their deeds and not their belief. Everyone still has God's law written on their hearts, which still acts as a Golden Rule. Those who have heard of Christ and the Gospel, and willingly rejected both, will be held to the same standard as unbelievers and not someone who was genuinely ignorant and unacknowledged. Some people just think if they dodge the message all their life and continued going their separate way, they somehow get a cheat code into heaven or they convert on their deathbed, I don't know what's in-store for all those people, it will be up to God to judge them.

[@Ciprian-IonutPanait]

30:00 the correct name is Sheol. It was translated to Hades/Hell because it was more familiar to non jewish christians of the first centuries. The original meaning of Hell/Hades is a bit different yes but it came to mean the same thing as Sheol after christianisation

[@johnmark6628]

Sheol was the underworld. . It contained both the temporary "paradise" or "Abraham's Bosom" and across the gulf was Hades. . . ***Luke 16:23-26 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

[@Ciprian-IonutPanait]

@@johnmark6628 wrong. hell is a very vast place. In hell God made for the righteous a separated place for the ones that were righteous that was a bit better than the rest

[@johnmark6628]

@@Ciprian-IonutPanait You just said basically what I said, without the scripture.

[@Ciprian-IonutPanait]

@@johnmark6628 I would not call it paradise. It was still pretty bad. But not as bad as the rest where you had demons, other sinners and so on.

[@BuzzFish]

2:14:29 was HILARIOUS caught me so off guard. Props to that dude with the superchat

[@Zibit21]

52:00 - there's nothing virtuous about refusing to learn!

[@lizpromontionals1022]

People go to hell for their crimes and rejecting God, not for being mistaken due to lack of information. Jesus made it clear we are judged also based on knowledge.

[@daneumurianpiano7822]

I saw a black and white movie on TV about Hitler in hell. He was a sad old man. A new entrant to hell befriended him but later joined others in abusing him, because there is no mercy, etc., in hell. I wish I could find the movie again.

[@stst77]

AP said if he could create an ideal life for his children then it would be without suffering. That’s what God did! God even took it a step further and created us to be in the perpetual state of innocence like a baby where we didn’t know right from wrong so people could run around nude and not think anything of it. He created us to be completely innocent, to have no suffering or pain, to live in absolute harmony with nature, to not toil with work, to never lack anything, to have direct communication with Him, to only have peace, for the climate to be perfect every day, no natural disasters, animals to be in harmony with each other and man, no fear, no negative emotions, and no death. This is what God created and wanted for mankind.

[@MinistryNews-yh7og]

And heaven will be even better than that. The new Eden for those who trust in Christ and his atonement for our sins.

[@2mexpesos]

And then Eve shows up and now We are here 😔

[@rockykramer9134]

I actually want to add something about ap question about freewill like what if God knows the likelihood of your choice, like a percentage

[@ilsevandenberg685]

Lee Strobel wrote a book on Near Death Experiences: The case for Heaven.

[@therealfain]

We should ask ourselves this “does the doctrine of hell stand up to Gods law and the punishments prescribed in His law?” Because his judgements ALL have a limit we should ask this further- “Does God break his own law? Can He even do anything contrary to his character and nature?”

[@coolcatbaron]

The law is not what condemns us to hell. In fact, the law doesn't go beyond this life. Romans 7:1-6: "Do you not know, brothers and sisters -for I am speaking to those who know the law- that the law is binding on a person only during that person's lifetime? Thus a married woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives; but if her husband dies, she is discharged from the law concerning the husband. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man, she is not an adulteress. In the same way, my friends, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. While we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are slaves not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit." Christians are not under the law, because they have "already died" in Christ through baptism. The law was fulfilled in Jesus. Unbelievers also die and beyond that there is not the law that's condemning them, but rejection of grace unto eternal life. The result is that their sins are still upon them and hell's suffering is a result of the lack of God's grace in hell. Since we are made in God's image, every sin we commit without grace to cover it, becomes a thorn on our souls that we can't yet grasp while in the flesh. So going against God is like punching ourselves basically, only that the damage is permanent if we don't pursue God's grace by a faithful life again. So hell is not that much of a "lawful penalty" as it is a consequence for our sins in which we remain, that forever cut off our good relationship to God, which makes us taste his wrath forever. God's wrath is not just personal anger, but basically His holiness. The same holiness would be pleasant for the sanctified and glorified person in Jesus, but it isn't for the sinner who remains in their sins.

[@glennkea656]

To be clear, God doesn't send you to hell, thats your choice.

[@Thebattleofreligions]

Mary Slessor a Christian missionary stopped the killing of twins in Calabar, Nigeria.

[@alexanderkempf9828]

38:00 Very disappointed AP was not referred to James 2:19 "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder". Intellectual assent to the existence of God is not enough for salvation. Demons and evil forces believe that God exists. They are not saved because of that.

[@ethanmiller5487]

If you don't want to believe in objective reality, please explain a situation that is possible in our reality and makes rape justifiable. I've been thinking about this for about a year and I can't think of one. Suffering isn't evil. Evil creates suffering. Suffering is a result.

[@fredcourtney03]

God is our creator. I think that a creation that is given the choice to worship ourselves or our creator, also will have to answer for that choice. As a creation, our creator has ultimate right to keep those he wants and destroy those he does not. I know that if I make something I am not happy with, for whatever reason, I will start over. The creation does not have to be evil, only wrong.

[@lsixty30]

I hold the “hell is locked from the inside” view. It aligns with my real world my experience of human beings and of the timeline of God’s plan as far as I see it revealed in Scripture. We all need Jesus Christ regardless ❤

[@lsixty30]

The arrogance of addicts is often overlooked. We are all arrogant addicts and idolaters without Christ.

[@lsixty30]

“Faith” is more than lip service like marriage is more than saying “I do”. It’s a relationship.

[@lsixty30]

No, growing up into the church is not enough. Many will say “Lord Lord” and will have never known Christ in their hearts. It’s not a password.

[@lsixty30]

Yes heaven starts now in us, the new creation begins in us when we accept the free and freeing gift of Christ.

[@lsixty30]

By his standard against God, could Dawkins, or anyone, prove THEY exist? How do you know your thoughts are yours? He is rejecting waaay more than God with that standard, he is rejecting truth and the concept of the self entirely.

[@lincolndunstan3057]

God doesn’t send anyone to hell, they send themselves there!!

[@201950201950]

I wish I could have messaged this during the live. If once we die we are outside of time and space in so-called eternity. If we are outside of eternity then there isn't any time passing because you're not in time you're not in space you're. Is there really eternal torment because there is no time there is only the present.

[@Adam_A_Christian]

That's exactly why it's eternal and can't be an eventual annihilation. It would be an eternal present, never ending. I've heard NDE accounts where people have seen those in hell reliving their worst sins over and over again in a maddening loop (because they didn't trust in Jesus to save them sticking with their sins instead).

[@BikerswithBibles]

All you have to do for near death experience testimonials/books is compare them to what the Bible says, if they don't agree with what the Bible says then you can't trust them and should ignore them as false. The Bible is the standard and the whole absolute truth.

[@craigstevens9351]

its not Gods choice who goes to hell. its His will for everyone to become born again. we have free will.

[@BodyBuildingForAustr]

" For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: SO THAT THEY ARE INEXCUSABLE. Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." Romans, 1:20-22

[@marie-rosestanek5306]

In my Father’s house there are many rooms …

[@ilsevandenberg685]

I am a Christian and can’t wait to meet Jesus and be with Him always, BUT if I was an atheist I would not mind to stop existing. That would not scare me. Not much of a punishment. That said, I don’t relish people being punished for eternity.

[@ReadersOfTheApocalypse]

Jesus about the afterlife: Mar 12 : 24 - “Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the Scriptures nor the power of God?" Every time Jesus talks about heaven, he warns about about hell even more! Why should he do that? Don't try to find in the text what you WISH should be there. Read what it says and take it seriously.

[@providence1961]

4:23 7:55 11:55 14:35 24:25 33:15 35:00 40:00 44:10 46:30-51:45- 53:35 1:02:40 1:08:15 1:11:40 1:14:29 1:15:43-1:17:12 1:25:00 ✝️

[@hephep7426]

The dictator of North Korea forced himself on the people and he did nothing to earn or deserve his position in life but through criminal action. God on the other hand lovingly designed us as individuals amd let's us live as individuals and lovingly offers us options to choose from. When we go to heaven we will not be living under a dictator's heavy rule poverty and hardship. We will be welcomed home as beloved family members with all the rights and privileges there of!

[@haydongonzalez-dyer2727]

Very cool

[@jonathanbetenbender307]

Sin is failure to love; yourself/another/God. What is more loving; to create beings which don't have the freedom to sin, or ones which have the choice to love. How true is a love if it is not by choice. A necessary consequence of that freedom is an unjust world (as sin deprives us of justice). As for suffering which is not from sin such as natural disasters; suffering often has positive results “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." Point being that suffering can improve us, it can also be a glorifying example. Btw if you look into the stages of an empire those weak men are creating hard times through sin and wickedness. So yes I see suffering as an antidote to evil (though not always at a personal level). As for creating people just for them to live an unjust life... It is blink in an eternity. This world may not be just, but all things will be made just. If we have freedom, but no suffering in this life more would fall to sin and damnation.

[@2mexpesos]

28:17 it baffles me that IP is such a knowledgeable person that he will believe there is a such a thing as a "purgatory " so he must also believe in the catholic indulgences? The yearly Mass for the dead? He kept saying he is a "Christian apologetic" but I knew something was off with him 💔😢 The Bible is very clear in Hebrews 9:27 "it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgement." How can then be a purgatory like a limbo state of the soul. IP lost me there :(

[@masterandkerranginparticul4324]

1:27:10 That is also what I was always thinking about hell and that eternal punishment is worse than what hitler did. AP is making the point that the suffering hitler inflicted would be immense, but in terms of eternal hell, it still quite limited, meaning: that if god exists and is truely just, he would probably let hitler go through all the pain he inflicted upon other people, and souls on this earth, in that place called hell, he would let him die in pain and the torture he caused, again and again and again and again, and so that would be a just punishment, it would be deuce, so to say, maybe god would go further and let hitler go through twice the pain in hell as he inflicted upon millions on this earth as a punishment, or as a warning to not do it again, or whatever god may decide, so that would be a very harsh thing go through, right? but if he were to put hitler into ETERNAL hell, that would be such a harsh punishment, it would top all of hitlers bad doings in an unlimited amount. So eternal hell is absolutely unjust for any person who did bad things, eternal hell, torture, and pain, death, etc. can never ever be a just punishment as no person on this earth has the capability to do eternal suffering on somebody as our lifetimes are limited. So I truely wonder why people would consider a god who punishes with sentences ot eternal hell to be a just god. he would be the most evil and unjust god you could even think of. also considering that some believers think that god gives eternal hell to sinners of a much, much lesser degree of evil than hitler.

[@gladysgladorlino6729]

Answers simple really no need for a 2 hour debate or video, yes a person will go to hell if he, she or they does not want to have a relationship with God when they don't believe in Him in His goodness in His love.

[@curtisbalcombe8076]

@ApostateProphet do you think any other belief system could have brought a psychopath into a moral following as such like David? I understand suppressing but as far as adopting a system to follow for safety for self and others, what system do you find more beneficial?

[@rkewer1]

I agree with Mike Jones your soul will cease to exist

[@baby91scg]

Thats why apologetics doesnt quite cover all bases. You cant with human brains reason away everything of God. God still works through miracles and spiritual acts to reach people outside "christian societies" 40:59 also God has made us and put knowledge of Him in us and a longing to worship Him. People make other gods for ourselves we do worship something we can choose to believe. Also testimonies are there for a reason. You choose what you believe.

[@MinistryNews-yh7og]

@baby91scg This is so important. Modern apologetics for some has become like a theology unto itself. We must deal with God on his terms and assess the word of God on its own terms. All that is to say we should never let our apologetic become our theology -apolagetics being defense of faith- but let our theology inform a biblical apologetic. Otherwise what's the point?

[@solideogloria5553]

the PROBLEM WITH MAN is that, we think we know better than our maker and we deserve heaven and life. what a presumption, good luck with that presuming there is luck.

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

I'm a Christian believer but I don't think I "deserve heaven and life". No way. I'm a sinner and an imperfect, finite human being. But the promises of Jesus Christ uplift my heart and give me hope. I need to trust God in obedience. I'm not negating what you said. I appreciate your honesty because it helps me to think. Peace

[@solideogloria5553]

amen, Romance 7:25

[@GnohmPolaeon.B.OniShartz]

Hell is the absence of God, therfore an Absence of Love and Grace and Peace and All Good Things. The people who go to hell get exactly what they wanted, no god. Maybe the sinners get blinked out of existence. But for their sake I'm not going to believe that. And the apostate burns. They knew God and believed not, serving the enemy instead. So the enemy may have them and the enemy absolutely suffers.

[@rms-vp6hf]

Where is that in scripture?

[@Shane_The_Confessor]

Exactly. Seems like a lot of feel good language to help sell the concept, no offense. The Hell of the bible is a place of destruction and those who did not choose God are sent there for the second death. I guess, in a way, atheists get what they want.

[@asadelassad01]

Someone can make the argument that the absence of the Christian God is the ability to pursue your happiness many Christians are miserable And many non believers are happy

[@JRPGGUY]

Terrible logic. Not wanting God doesnt mean people want to be roasted forever. Thats what you would like

[@lukasmakarios4998]

​@@JRPGGUY Let us see what Hell is. Hell is the final abandonment of God. God is the source of all that is good. So Hell is a place where there is nothing good. Can anyone endure such torment without ceasing? Even our simplest existence is a good from God, because we are contingent beings. So, eventually, when we give up clinging to "immortality," we will cease to exist. God does not torture us in fire. Fire is the element of destruction and disintegration. However, eternity can seem like it endures forever in every moment, because God's time is utterly unlike our own concept of time. How long does it take a sugar cube to burn? In Hell you can endure the pain of suffering, or choose final destruction and experience disintegration. You turned away from God. Don't expect anything good. "My God! My God! Why have you abandoned me?!" These were Jesus' words, spoken on the cross, just before He died for us. It's more than just a reference to Psalm 22. He fully experienced every moment of it. For that one moment of time, dying on the cross, Jesus felt what sin does to us -- separating us from God -- and He found it to be unbearable. True, the Father only let Him go for a short time, but He felt our loss. Later, after his burial, the Father (as part of the Trinity) raised Jesus up again. Jesus said, "I have the power to lay down my life, and to take it up again." But for that moment, those three hours on the cross, He felt the total emptying of how it feels to be human and apart from God. That's what sin does to us. It removes the core of our lives. Please, don't let his suffering go for naught. Don't turn your back and walk away. He did this for you. Hell is real. But so is Heaven.

[@Zibit21]

02:06:20 - Yes, in a few fragments of Bible God pretty much admits that He should wipe the entire Humanity out and start anew, but He chooses not to; He chooses to save us instead. 02:06:30 - No, I'm pretty sure that God doesn't create anyone to be an atheist. Bible says clearly that God designed us to live in communion with Him and only after the Original Sin did we lose this connection and now it's difficult to reestablish and maintain this connection.

[@lifeonahighway9700]

The whole argument about souls in hell eventually being destroyed is debunked with Rev 14:9-11 alone

[@holeyabdool6590]

I pray I get the privilege of seeing AP come to Jesus!! Christianity is pure love. It's not just about believing in God. Muslims say they believe, but its just pure fear. Not only fear of their Lah god but even their own Muslim brothers due to apostasy and hate.

[@phenixorbitall3917]

1:26:52 => the only way for Hilter to go to heaven is if Hitler regretted his sins against all these innocent people and asked God for forgiveness BEFORE he dies. Otherwise Hitler has no chance. Except maybe if God says that Hitler simply had a mental illness and good NEVER feel remorse or guilt for his actions. Since we know non of that we do not know if Hilter is going to heaven or not BUT I think it is very unlikely that Hitler was not able to feel even 0,00001% of guilt for wrong actions and I think it is also very unlikely that Hitler regretted his sins against innocent people. I mean look: Even if he would not have killed all these jews and so on - Hitlers last actions was to kill his children and his wife before killing himself in a bunker => for this ALONE he deserves hell. As I said earlier, God might apply the "extraordinary way to salvation" on him, so that he might still end up at the end BUT his purification process in purgatory would legendarly long in my opinion.

[@xyhmo]

Hell is eternal, it's infinitelt more pain than the combined pain of billion times billion times billion times billion holocausts. Even hitler doesn't deserve that, and you're an evil cruel person for thinking so. How can you be so INSANELY pro-torture to think someone should have that much pain and torture? It's disproportionatw in the extreme.

[@phenixorbitall3917]

@xyhmo In an other comment I wrote that Hell was not made to punish humans but to punish satan and demons instead. Satan managed to corrupt mankind and to bring Gods punishment planned for Satan also on humans as well. To counter attack satan, God sent Jesus to rescue us. All it take to be saved is to regret the evil we do and to accept Jesus to pay for our sins. As I mentionned, in case the person is unable to sin (children or mentally handicaped people) God will take them to himself. So all what is asked from Hitler is to regret his sins. Do you think it is cruel to ask Hitler to regret his killings of millions of Jews? If Hitler lands in hell then only because he choose to go there. Why? Because he refused to regret his sins. Is God demanding to much from a murder to at least regret his murder? I think I am not cruel, I gave Hitler the possibility to choose between hell and heaven. If Hitler is not cruel to himself, Hitler would regret his sins and chose heaven over hell.

[@someonethatisachristian]

hell is eternal, scripture is clear on that. inspiring philosophy has some great stuff but he's not the man to go to for bibical teachings. For biblical teachings i recomend John Ankerberg, Chuck Missler, One for Israel etc.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Hell is not eternal. Revelation says the day where come will death will no longer exist. And even by the Catholic and Protestant "understanding" of what hell is, the Bible still proves this wrong in Mal. 4:1-3 and Rev. 21:1.

[@someonethatisachristian]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 death will no longer exist for us christians ofcourse, not that hell will no longer exist.

[@nataliechism955]

There is only 1 way to Heaven. John 14:6. If you try to get into Heaven any other way you are considered a thief or a robber

[@johnmark6628]

***John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. . There is no other way, because there can be no other way.

[@johnmark6628]

@lucabaki The Bible is a family record of people that everyone knows in fact exist, with places that everyone know in fact exist, and events that have been proven to happen. There's nothing fictional about it.

[@murielpucoe9213]

I just love mike jones, at 73yrs old.

[@virginiawaringa7311]

According To Luke 16:19-31 About The Rich Man And Lazarus....The Rich Man Acquired Wealth of the earth.he lived a luxurious life and he did not see the need for GOD Essentially characterizing the Life of a lukewarm church that thinks she has everything and therefore she does Not Need GOD hence The LORD states Clearly that HE will Literary Spit her out..that is Through her out in hell....Ignoring and rejecting GOD is What will send many to Hell...Heb 2:3 How Shall We Escape If We Ignore So Great Salvation?!

[@chrystalblue7170]

What just God would punish a mere human forever for a sin they can not help but committing. Hell as in eternal torment is illogical and unbiblical and would be unjust with a God who is so concerned with justice.

[@gospelinpunjabi4748]

If you are not a believer, PRAY to Him and He will save you, it's that simple, the Holy Spirit will enter your body and you will see your life change if you've truly repented, only the elect respond to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, may God bless you and save you

[@sirena9167]

What about Matthew 13:42 and 7:22? Those two verses sound like people who want to go to heaven but can’t.

[@mydreamsarecomingtrue]

The thumbnail is funny 💀😹

[@gospelinpunjabi4748]

Those who do not respond to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, though are created by God headed to hell (God foreknew they would reject His Son), in ways we don't understand, end up glorifying God after all, so they are created to glorify God without knowing they glorified Him in their life

[@stst77]

AP’s view on satan contradicts his view on humans. His view on satan is “satan was determined to be bad so if he turned good it would not make sense “. But his view on humans is different. For example hitler and hamas have done evil things but they should not be in hell forever because even though they were evil they thought they were doing the right thing. So that means their acts are evil but they are not evil. But one could say the same for satan. We don’t know how long he existed in heaven as a good angel before he just wanted to declare his own sovereignty and got kicked out of heaven for that. Wanting your own sovereignty shouldn’t be seen as evil. However, AP misses the point that God judges the heart not the outward actions. Hitler, Hamas and Satan all had access to knowledge and understanding of good vs evil but they all dismissed it and chose their own way of power inflicted on others. God knew satan didn’t simply want to have independence. God knew what satan, hamas, and hitler really wanted was to be cruel tyrants over others’ lives. They can all claim innocence and purity in motives but actions speak louder than words . “You will know them by their fruit”. Not a single one of these produce good fruit. With their power they could all do a lot of good but they all choose to use their power for the evil and harm to others. They don’t care! That’s why they deserve hell.