WOW: Air India Orders MORE Airbus A350s & A320 Family Jets

[@Hero007ization]

I work for the engine maintenance department for Spice Jet and we have been robbed out of business by Pratt and Whitney engines. Good that Air India clearly avoided those junk.

[@Artivule]

Don't forget Go Air

[@asheeshtiwari4538]

whattttt > spice jet operates 737NG and MAX , they don't use prat and whitney engine , what are u talking about ???

[@JungleJetAviation06]

Thank you for someone saying it! Those GTFs are trash and airlines still keep buying them, even though aircraft are getting grounded…

[@srijangupta.automobile6320]

Since when have SpiceJet's 737s and Q400s used P&Ws?

[@JungleJetAviation06]

@@srijangupta.automobile6320 The Q400s only use Pratt and Whitney engines.

[@nohandle350]

I flew DEL-BOM on AI2955 just 4 days ago (6-Dec) and I must say their service has improved considerably and the flight operated dot on time. AI is definitely on its path to excellence

[@Hero007ization]

Trick is to keep it that way.

[@karanhemani1468]

That was a Vistara then

[@Plab1402]

Jesus Christ that's more backlog to Airbus, air india better calm down 😭

[@DDG_IN47]

Well sorry to the other airlines of other countries, they gotta WAIT.

[@jjoulekelvin2986]

It can't as of Nov 2024, in top 10 fleet size, Indigo (India) stands at 10. As Air India Represents international company. It needs to beat Indigo as soon as possible.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

2 decades later Pan am story Killed by ordering too many high capacity 747

[@draroking]

Cringe​@@DDG_IN47

[@BraddysReagent]

@AbdullahNajib-b9z 👀

[@parimal7528]

Vistara was CFM so it was natural AI would choose CFM which is good choice. Hope to see Air India amongst world's top 3 airlines by 2028.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

zyaada time lagega

[@sidv4615]

Air India was CFM before Vistara as well

[@dodaz2049]

Yeah right 😂

[@Fasih_Mosharraf]

@@sidv4615 what is CFM ?

[@parimal7528]

@@Fasih_Mosharraf Engine maker, JV of Safran & GE. Other is useless PW or Pratt Whitney engines which were there on Go First & earlier Indigo neos.

[@seagullsbtn]

Choosing CFM power plants has to be advantageous.

[@RamakrishnanSRM]

True

[@JungleJetAviation06]

It is, a VERY smart move, I bet choosing the trash option will be Spirit Airlines’ downfall…

[@dodaz2049]

You can count on that

[@sainnt]

Indian aviation is very interesting.

[@sainnt]

@dodaz2049 Interesting means filthy? Maybe ask me what I mean and I'll tell you.

[@ashishsrivastava1721]

​@@dodaz2049 he wasn't talking about your family

[@ashishsrivastava1721]

​@@dodaz2049 he wasn't talking about your mom

[@Celestial_Arishem]

Waiting to see Air India ordering B777F

[@MrViroplen]

Same 777f is beautiful

[@axel665]

Air india shut down their cargo like a decade ago

[@Celestial_Arishem]

@@axel665 know that, saw some news stating that they plan to open a separate cargo wing

[@sohamjadhav1]

But they still do Cargo business @@axel665

[@sohamjadhav1]

I always say that Indigo makes many smart moves, and not even looking at Boeing is one of them. Now, I think their market buddy is learning a thing or two.

[@parimal7528]

Indigo started on clean slate. Air India has baggage of Scamgress purchased Boeings.

[@atharvanaidu6270]

You are right

[@atharvanaidu6270]

You know that Boeing planes have received many accident news

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@atharvanaidu6270 but they are not boeings fault.who told you that?guru daily mail,who knows every accident by heart? unlikely

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

so ryanair isn't smart then...

[@josequiroz917]

Talk about a huge Gamble for the Indian Aviation Industry, with Air India and Indigo making these historic orders, hope things go well to both these emerging Titans

[@vbpurang]

I do not think that they will be limited to just India. They are probably positioning themselves as an asian transit hub smack dab in the middle.

[@animesh_tiwary]

Well, these are the only 2 major airlines left in the market. Rest of them have either shut down/struggling or are too small to make a difference.

[@NarasimhaDiyasena]

@@animesh_tiwaryair India wouldve shutdown had it not been for Tata buying them oit

[@AvijeetGupta]

​@@NarasimhaDiyasena naah that's never occurred as AI is under The GoI & it's flag carrier so they never let it close

[@santhoshkumar-fu3zx]

​Akaska doing well ​@@animesh_tiwary

[@Artivule]

Air India orders includes 50 A350s 20 787s + 10 777s 175 A320 neo 125 A321 neo 190 737 max Total = 570 jets

[@shivajithakur7735]

😳😳

[@sequoyayosemite2771]

I love Air India's new livery, and uniforms

[@Jordan-df5uy]

Tbh ig it will directly replace some of Air India’s older jets, not all will go for fleet expansion

[@ddb0831]

👍

[@asakurayoh3909]

Not really, the old ones will be used for domestic routes in smaller cities and new ones for the international and bigger cities.

[@sudirsankr3361]

Flying tomorrow Hyderabad -Delhi Air India A320Neo.

[@sidv4615]

what was the experience like?

[@sudirsankr3361]

@@sidv4615 A350-900 took off on time . Neat and modern Cabin . Dinner was served 40 minutes after departure and arrived 20 minutes early in Delhi. Lots of movies and screen time. Over all a pleasant experience. I was given to upgrade to business class and premium economy but didn’t opt for this 2 Hr flight. Flight landed in Delhi and we had to take the bus from remote stand .

[@michaelmoses8745]

A lot of airlines seem to be ordering airplanes in bulk these days.

[@arienoordzij3823]

If you have to wait 5-10 years before delivery, you have no other choice!

[@adisin2494]

In aviation management, we were taught that this is a routine cycle and also sets up for the next airline consolidation process as these commitments start showing up, demand (as a part of the cycle) always slips due to some or the other calamity (9/11, recession, covid)…. The overcapacity kills many airlines. Its business. The executives get their coin. The airlines survival is a second thought.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@adisin2494 exactly.PAN AM

[@andreaswinsnes6944]

Go India! Stay nonaligned :) :)

[@shashanktrivedi27]

It is not order but commitment of airbus to deliver aircraft on time. Supply chain issue and labour issue isn't going away. More the Boeing will sulk greater pressure will be on airbus since no other player is available in the world.

[@SurendranChandramohan-l7t]

I hope they do a similar exercise with the ground crew.... ! Squeaky new planes with a crazy staff isn't going to improve customer experience....

[@realzhella6817]

Air India is gonna ironically make Airbus go out of business....this is ridiculous

[@thabotshabalala7114]

Backing the winning team @AirIndia....

[@hchadha6563]

Air India will be the largest airline in the world after three years.

[@arienoordzij3823]

Keep on dreaming! They have to get rid of a lot of old junk!

[@infibeamX]

​@@arienoordzij3823you keep on damning ever good thing air India does.....cry baby crY

[@joeljustin]

@@arienoordzij3823 Exactly, the US carriers like Delta and United will continue to have the biggest fleet for some time in the future. Air India needs to retire their aging fleet first.

[@Trickyx786]

@@arienoordzij3823they are , they are currently retiring there 319 and older ceo jets replacing with new

[@nightz_9gamerz160]

@@joeljustin Ageing fleet ? especially " a lot " i don't think so because most of them are 10-15 a320 junk and some old 777-200er junk along with some 300er's as well , so total is just under a 100 guess they don't have a lot of junk and american has 5-6x more junk than AI so stop yapping first and listen to Indians who know their fleet

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

Air India is having a field day witb this one

[@the.mystictraveller]

Hope their service improves....

[@digantaghosh4960]

Any update for the delivery from Boeing

[@RamakrishnanSRM]

Deliveries of the Boeing planes with fasteners will begin on 2035 🤣🤣🤣

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@RamakrishnanSRM how do you know?

[@ringuanung1876]

Air India is great

[@DocPrakhar]

At this rate India should've developed their own plane, especially for narrow body where current orderbook for Indian carriers is 1000 planes.

[@theaeronauticalchannel446]

? Air India is an Airline, not a manufacturer. You can't make your own planes if you are an airline (unless you have a really good engineering department)

[@astleynoeldsouza7912]

​@@theaeronauticalchannel446bro has clearly mentioned India (as a country) he hasn't written air india anywhere so ?

[@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl]

It's already working on developing an RTA, developing and solidifying a full blown plane takes years. Even China has just now made their airbus/Boeing competitor. Airlines cannot wait for that much time.

[@DocPrakhar]

@@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl yes. But seeing the growing appetite of the Indian Aviation sector, the process must begin. Difficult tech like Engines can be Outsourced from GE (GE is also supplying engines for various Indian Fighter jets) or Rolls Royce. Avionics and The rest of Airframe can be Made in India itself.

[@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl]

@@DocPrakhar GE is unable to supply the fighter jet engine itself to India in time due to supply chain issues. The entire tejas mk1a jet fleet which was supposed to replace aging flying coffins mig 21s are in limbo because of it. I don't think it would be wise to wait and develop it's own solution now when the passenger demand is growing each year and more than a dozen big airports are under construction throughout the country, 2 of which are about to start operations next year. I think India has already started taking steps into getting the required R&D, the Tata-airbus manufacturing facility in India have started to manufacture c 295 military aircraft which is made with around 70% locally sourced parts, so yeah, steps are being taken into that direction. But there's just not enough time.

[@Fasih_Mosharraf]

This year alone Indian careers ordered 1400 combined jets🥳🥳

[@ramakotaiahk7075]

People in India consider this airline as their pride. Lot of emotions run around that and it's being TATA owned now there is going to lot of loyalty among many.

[@shankarpoti1985]

Despite a lot of negative press, we are very confident that Air India will scale great heights and soon become one of aviation world's best airline. As long as AI is in the Tata fold it will remain my preferred airline.

[@tigersharkzh]

Once you've pulled your head out of your ass that confidence will be destroyed by reality.

[@kamaljeetsingh1467]

India should ask Airbus to manufacture some of its parts in India and increase the production delays happening due to limited supply chain!! India can become a manufacturing partner and will reduce production cost for the Airbus it’s a win win situation for both as Indians will get skilled jobs and generate employment for thousands and Airbus can make better profits and reduce the burden of delays

[@Sam-d8o6q]

They probably want to offload a lot of the older fleet in the next 3-5 yrs

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

Air India should cancel all A320-200neo orders & retain it's order for 110 brand new A321-200neo narrow body jets . . .

[@chiad25]

With such a long lead time for deliveries I am sure they have options to swap back and fourth.

[@sohamjadhav1]

A320s are best fit for many routes, it's not like "let's purchase a 7 seater car as it is good to have extra. " Economics comes into play and matters hugely, specially in the 'Graveyard of Airlines.'

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

@sohamjadhav1 the A320-200 has always been a victim of under capacity . . . which is why AIRBUS introduced the new stretched A321-200 in 1989 . . . the A321-200 would seat 36 - 44 more paxs than the A320-200 . . .

[@sohamjadhav1]

@@chandrachurniyogi8394 read again what i wrote!

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@chandrachurniyogi8394 the a320ceo bet the 321ceo

[@KeithJones-mt6rb]

Airbus 🎉🎉🎉

[@lightningllama]

Do they have enough money or space for all these aircraft?

[@MrSchwabentier]

They’re owned by Tata, money isn’t an issue

[@asakurayoh3909]

When 10 new airports are build every couple of years then space is not the issue.

[@DEEPAK-JOC]

😂😂😂 I can see your pain

[@lightningllama]

@@DEEPAK-JOC I'm just genuinely curious 😂 Glad to see AI doing well cause I heard they went bankrupt a couple years ago

[@DEEPAK-JOC]

@@lightningllama that's why you need education so just start reading things. Because you are showing here very narrow minded knowledge of yours. Btw I'm not surprised by by intellect because your education system is not good enough to produce smart people rather than it is producing rats like you but still you can do better I hope 000.1. %

[@AayushmaanJaiswal-g4x]

With these much order from India Airbus should seriously think about setting up production line here dedicated for India🤣🤣

[@MotuSid]

How do such large orders help an airline exactly? Especially when the industry is suffering from a supply chain issue that's been compounding delays?

[@harshwardhangunthey8915]

Indigo and Air India immediately sell these aircraft to lessors and make free money, when they buy aircraft in bulk they get deep discounts from Airbus and suppliers and the sale to lessors happens on the market rate so they buy cheap planes sell them to lessors and lease these aircrafts back making money in the process. Also this allows them to have a young fleet and avoid refurbishing older aircraft by taking them offline, if aircraft remains under warranty any failed parts are replaced for free hence these this process saves maintenance cost too.

[@dodaz2049]

They will make them dirty in 2 weeks after delivery 😂

[@jet4926]

Hmmm, watch out for all that aircraft buying... 😮

[@sameeruddinmd6327]

Air India will receive all its planes in 10 years time. They will receive some planes each year which will keep them going

[@joel.j5637]

Natta - rajan Chandra- shae - keren

[@jk484]

Now will they stop blocking increased flight rights to the gulf? The ones who suffer are passengers

[@3mmdm32]

The need to replace the bed bug riddle aircraft they have now. Just my opinion.

[@vinytind]

India can become Fellow Dominant Force to Reckon with Globally, ONLY if India step up, completes necessary steps and certifies it's Indigenous 17 Seater NAL Saras Aircraft & later Scale up like China did with C909, C919 and now C929 ... Sadly Indian Carriers seem to not show interest in NAL Saras....... And Duopoly in 1.Larger Aviation (Airbus & Boeing) 2.Indian Context (Indigo & Air India), due to huge orders, ISN'T doing any Good AND Only Increasing Air Fares & is taking away Savings from Flyers.

[@crypton7572]

meanwhile indigo had announced they were looking to expand regionally with ordering 100 more atrs, but now it looks like theyre aimed at the a220 regardless air india will never beat indigo

[@philhowells7715]

There's no point in Air India having new planes, their customers will wreck them in no time.

[@Trickyx786]

Well that was under government ownership now Singapore airlines and tata owns them they will take care of it

[@harshwardhangunthey8915]

You do realise they are no longer a airline with public service mandate, so most of the lower class customers from sepecific geographies in India who would litter and vandalise the aircraft no longer fly with them, their tickets are significantly expensive when compared to Indigo and Spicejet and with Gofirst Bankruptcy one might pay INR 8k USD $100 one-way fare on Air India for a 2.5 hrs flight.

[@AdityaRamachandranx]

Yea, the same “customers” who constitute a significant chunk of emirates, Singapore and Qatar.

[@dthomas6037]

All this new aircraft will come to nothing if the service both inside the aircraft and outside is not good. And so far that is the case, unfortunately. As an American of Indian origin living in New York for the past 25 years and as someone who travels to India frequently I can say Air India is our last resort, only if we can't get tickets for a reasonable price on one of the middle east carriers like Emirates, Etihad or Qatar Airways.

[@Ex-AshMain]

@@dthomas6037 you said all of that but not mention once that the entire reason for Air India’s mismanagement was it being state owned? What is up with NRI’s not wanting to see anything from back home growing smh

[@AdityaRamachandranx]

⁠@@Ex-AshMainwell it’s his past experience, and it was terrible and that is something absolutely anyone can say, if you travel a lot. Domestic=indigo International=middle eastern That is how it was. A refresh that they are doing of its interiors and uniform will alone change it into a mediocre airline, such as the ones in Europe. It remains to be seen what can make it world class. But it has a long way to go but going in the right direction.

[@onlineuser3223]

Coconut crying😭😭

[@art_by_mau]

I believe it when I see it. Lol flew recently on Air India's 777 and their planes are still a joke.

[@vbpurang]

That is just a statement of how things stand as of now, and that is fair. But they can't really take their planes to the local Toyota dealership to fix them. They are in the queue to get things fixed with $400m set aside to fix these planes, a lot of the factory workers at companies Collins Aerospace and the ilk (that are supposed to refurbish these planes) just stopped working in the airlines industry so all their plans are delayed (the same is true for most airlines, but impacts them more due to the average age of the fleet). Not sure what else they can do, while we complain (as we should 🙂). I am just happy that they are out of the clutches of government's bureaucratic control that was rotting them. For me they make sense as they offer a difference of 6-7 hours each way (AFAIK, none of the Gulf, European, American carriers can fly over Russia, and Air India flies direct to US) - time that I can spend with family. Improvements will follow in due course.

[@AdityaRamachandranx]

Well the 777 are the pre takeover/refurbish models.

[@michaelcoupland6909]

I can almost guarantee not even half of these planes ever get delivered before they go broke.

[@itsmeroshanvk]

bruh air India is owned by the tata group...these are the smae ppl who inherited its billions of dollars of debt...and the profits even do in negatives are rising drastically

[@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl]

You have no clue how huge Tata group operating AI is. Just look them up.

[@michaelcoupland6909]

@@itsmeroshanvk just because they are a big company doesn’t make Air India profitable and it they do t get the return on investment you have to cut your losses at some point. They have a huge amount of competition as well.

[@crypton7572]

tata is a BIG company, their previously joint ventures like air asiia india and vistara were never really profitable (former almost went bankrupt in fact before being merged into aix), so iys basically deep pockets, they can withstand the losses in other words

[@AdityaRamachandranx]

@@michaelcoupland6909you seem to be severely underestimating the Indian market. It is the largest contiguous untapped market out there, on top of that it’s the fastest major growing both passenger and gdp wise. We are not talking about a country like Vietnam or Malaysia here.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

I have heard that there are people living there

[@kokofruitkokotree]

Average muslim hating on India.

[@Plab1402]

​@@kokofruitkokotree oh no trust me he is not the average Muslim

[@Oceansta]

Air India relaunch with a rebrand more than 3 years ago. Service is just as bad and no meaningful changes have been reported. Just a new logo and designer uniforms. The CEO announced a 400 million dollar cabin upgrade programme for the interim period - that's nowhere to be seen.

[@Trickyx786]

Well the narrowbodies are retrofitted 15 have been done so far , 787 will start next year April and 777 2026

[@Oceansta]

@Trickyx786 15 narrow bodies in 3 years is pathetic. Its not helping bolster your argument.

[@Trickyx786]

@ the narrowbodies retrofit started this year in September , it’s about the seats supply whenever they get they retrofit it

[@Trickyx786]

@@Oceansta 3 years they had to internally change many things combine staff from many airlines , merge airlines into two , they launched new look if you see the customer satisfaction level in the newer jets has been positive , the retrofit of narrowbodies will be finished next year , from next year April 787 will start retrofitting then 2026 777 until then new aircrafts will start arriving in , currently they are retiring there older CEOs and replacing with new neos , they recruited 6k plus new staff and replacing with the government staff with new , they have launched new routes , cuts have been made in terms of there financial situation they have stronger financial status now , and backed by Singapore airlines and tata

[@Trickyx786]

@@Oceansta 3 years ago , you clearly don’t know about the situation , the retrofit Programm started this year not 3 years ago

[@jarviscecil2638]

Still can't beat china though 😂😂

[@Trickyx786]

@@jarviscecil2638 why should we ? Both are different culture we aren’t competing with them

[@kokofruitkokotree]

What does China have anything to do with this?

[@Artivule]

Only a dumb would ask such utter less questions

[@mindguru22]

Even if India beat China how is it going to help you… dimwit. Both countries have existing as biggest in past and will be like that in future as well.

[@AdityaRamachandranx]

China runs, rent free in his head.

[@starcaptain8632]

Bousse to liki dow pln

[@JungleJetAviation06]

Okay it’s time to slow down…and Airbus now has the monopoly😂 and is India really THAT big in terms of population? Like jesus christ lmao.

[@asakurayoh3909]

Indias population size is double that of Europe combined!!

[@markcarter3552]

In 2024, the average salary in India is 32,000 INR (Indian Rupee) per month or 384,000 INR per annum. That is 382 USD per month, according to the exchange rates in July 2024. who can afford to travel

[@MrSchwabentier]

The upper ten percent. Which is still a population almost half the size of the United States.

[@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl]

You forgot to take PPP into account, the 382 dollars in US is not equal to 382 dollars in INR. You can buy much more with that money here.

[@james_prasanth_w]

What an idiotic statement?

[@vbpurang]

The upper echelons of the society (10 percent of the population which is about 150 million). This demand is still quite low though. As a barometer of success, US with 335 Million in population has about 5,882 commercial jets. India's population is 4.26X times that of US. So if they were earning the same, they would be flying about 25,090 planes. Assuming that only 10% of Indians can pay for air travel, 10% of that number is about 2500 planes. Currently they have 771, which means they are about 1700 planes short of what they can probably handle at the current rate. That is just about the size of these Air India and Indigo orders. I think they will be just fine, give or take a few.

[@AdityaRamachandranx]

And one of the fastest growing markets out there, gdp and passenger wise. The ignorance of the top commenter is baffling.

[@yoyoabhishek777]

And tatas cant pay tcs employees 😂

[@ramsg9988]

Not sure how the TATAs are dealing with the corrupt mentality of the staff of once public sector airliner. If their quality is improved AI would be a leading airliner in the world.