WoW Classic vs WoW (2004)

[@MegaChickenfish]

Thrall: What's different this time? Jaina: *We are.*

[@futureking1138]

That's so fucking accurate it ain't even funny.

[@professoreggplant9985]

It's not that the game was ever hard, just that the hardcore raiders of classic were 2020 LFR garbage.

[@BlueShellshock]

I remember the old Druid pact: Druids didn't hurt other Druids. That's not something a reboot of a game can duplicate.

[@sapientisat9797]

@@BlueShellshock in fact, I am always happy to meet any dru till nowadays. Those who loves animals are mostly good people.

[@Wellshem]

@@sapientisat9797 lol druid today are mostly power farmer and entitled boomies

[@Marbo12f]

The best time in any mmo is when you know the least about. That's where the adventure lies.

[@nachgemacht_975]

Yeah its just bad that its easier with 5mil players to discover every inch of a world than it was back than with 11mil. Smells like bad gamedesign and "idc, just pay your monthly so i can have my 5. lambo" - leadership

[@henk5928]

That's exactly why I loved ff14 for a while. Everything was new and I felt like an exploring adventurer again. One of many. Up until I became 'the warrior of light'. I've never been a fan of being a god-slaying savior of the entire planet like we are now in retail wow.

[@billbill3915]

man, this is so true. The absolute wonder I had in my head when I first started playing wow. Every single thing I saw blew my mind.

[@Youwood667]

Elden Ring in a nutshell

[@valan2736]

@@henk5928 How are we the god-send savior in WoW? You literally do all the work and get NONE of the credit because all the cutscenes involve ONLY the big named leaders. I hate how the fucking players are treated in the story of the game.

[@thalveus1245]

"I wish there was a way to know you're in the good ol'days before you've actually left them." - Andrew Bernard

[@jakegolliher2891]

I wish somebody would have told me babe Some day, these will be the good old days

[@ashleyshay6386]

There is. Just be.

[@WayneIncBatman]

Good comment

[@HaleftHaut]

But theres a few times where you know. You cannot express it with words, but you know its happening. Like the first kiss to someone, or that first smell into your brand new car.

[@Haggan514]

Damn this hard

[@СергейКонтратьев-э7щ]

"We don't miss Vanilla, we miss childhood when we played Vanilla" (c) Arthur Schopenhauer.

[@gladanka4640]

hello arthurs thanks you for yours comments

[@ihateandreykrasnokutsky]

No, I hadn't played vanilla in childhood, but I love it now.

[@Roxar96]

That's false. Played vanilla with all my friends and we all say it is better. And we didn't play with 2020 mindset, nearly no one did on Kronos. Sad we lost 90% of our player for a bad "private" server that cost 13bucks a month '-'

[@xptlv]

Maybe for some, but for me personally - I enjoy this shit much more than Retail... The main reason I THINK, that retail is so hated, is because theres so much shit just FORCED upon you, you srsly cant NOT do it, if you wanna be successful in any normal shape or form.... Literally the only reason I like Classic so much, is bcuz there are 2 goals - money and gear.... and you do what you want to get those things... Unlike in retail, where youre forced to do boring repetative objectives, for some side boosts which are pretty much mandatory... sometimes the simple things are the best... OBVIOUSLY... there are things that Retail do better than classic, obviously... but the core of the game is fucked.... As many streamers and Current wow players have said - Make an alt, see how FUN it is :)

[@envyx3296]

Yea I couldn't say it better

[@RevoltingPeasant123]

The crushing realisation when everyone discovered they desired a game that hadn’t changed... but forgot they had.

[@patrickhayes3011]

Really, classic is not vanilla. It's just vanilla-like.

[@nyi6284]

That’s why changes were needed to make it more like in 2004.

[@sdewey4152]

Game is running on Aug-22-2006 build 1.12.0, priests, fury warriors and mages got buffed like mad most of vanilla and the game your playing just exaggerates their dominance, you're clearing MC and BWL with talent changes meant for AQ and Naxx.

[@toff4358]

If it weren't for Cross Realm BGs and AV 1.12 - Classic would have been great. Cross Realm BGs & AV 1.12 really killed Classic Wow.

[@M0n3ySt34L3rs]

@@toff4358 av 1.12 ruined pvp which ruined classic

[@MoronicMinds]

It honestly hurts

[@dozzer88]

Hey

[@lilromeo615videosowner5]

Hey, I really liked ur depth premieere, ill watch the other now!

[@Taliesin_]

"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of the game."

[@pudgeypigeon]

People called it man.

[@jesse9339]

@@Taliesin_ truth. people have always been complaining about blizzard since the game came out. classic is the best move theyve made in a decade.

[@kleptomcrunfast1373]

"Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."

[@yerroslawsum]

And only after being shown it in WoW Classic did people start getting on board with that idea. As a game designer, you'd think that you'd spend most of your time making the game. Not really - you spend it breaking it because that's what hardcore players do.

[@adamdobry5517]

gotta playerproof your game

[@zlyboby5317]

Wanted to write the same, I hate it so much... I was wondering if maybe RP servers are less like that but those have whole other set of issues

[@Wellshem]

@@zlyboby5317 RP server are often full of turbo nerd but of the good side, the community, lore, immersive type of nerd. The tradechat of RP servers, in both classic and retail, are very often people talking shit instead of spam boosting

[@South_Wall]

underrated

[@eternalnullity]

Barbossa: The world used to be a bigger place. Jack Sparrow: World's still the same. There's just less in it.

[@SEKSOWNY_MASAZYSTA]

U messed up this one

[@jdielaras]

Where THE FUCK, is the "captain"? Dafuq u mean Jack sparrow

[@Gomace]

2004: Play the game, stumble upon loot and treasures. 2020: Google loot and treasures, play the game.

[@RicoLen1]

Hey! Back then we had thottbot and vent! We knew what was going on!

[@F14thunderhawk]

@@RicoLen1 atlasloot was there in vanilla just like it is today

[@Seedr0]

I'VE GOT IT! It's called "CLASSIC Classic" and what we do is we invent a brain scrambler machine... right...

[@tacituskilgore2016]

I ain’t got time for that shit

[@Luptiq]

I remember the first time in 2004 (ish) when I saw a guy with a Thunderfury. That, my people, was whole's server attraction, people were just screenshotting him, inspecting, whispering, etc. He was like a freaking rockstar of WoW at that time. A true badass. Nowadays is just meh.

[@austinhensley6553]

idk i still get people walking up to me posing for pictures with my deathcharger

[@frudinator]

I once saw a female night elf druid with almost full set of t3. Most insane thing i’ve ever witness

[@Armyvet951]

Can't tell you how real this was with Treant's Bane back in the day as a Pally on a PVE server when nobody else had it.

[@Xylarxcode]

Once saw a paladin on a Black Scarab mount with the Scarab Lord title. I normally ignore things like this, but it was 2022 so this meant that guy had been playing that paladin since vanilla, so I couldn't help myself and talked to him. He told me about how he started back in 2005 and carried that one toon over to every expansion of the game until now and had just pre-ordered Dragonflight to go on to the next. Also showed me his Hand of A'dal title. Not many things impress me in WoW anymore, but that guy did. You don't meet many players with that level of dedication to the game.

[@MyViolador]

My Friends and I went and played with no guides when classic released in took us 4 months to reach 60 and we had a blast doing It. Screw mages

[@Ocyla]

I'm still not 60 but I did switch from a priest to a mage. It's just much, much easier to level

[@Nobody-vr5nl]

Day of release my coworkers and I got to 40 in 3 weeks. Back in the day it took wotlk to make me lvl to 40 because I was having too much fu. Doing everything else. If it wasnt for the lack of bgs I'd still be lvl 19/29

[@gscgold]

I didn't start playing until 2007..took me like 3 weeks to find a decent guild I really didn't want one at first I just wanted to explore the game. It took me at least two and a half months to get to level 60 because I came from RuneScape where everything was a grind so I would literally fish for half a day in WoW on the regular. Other days I would go to darkshire and kill wogens and skin all day long. I have no idea how long stv took but I did every quest I could find...good times.

[@catchinghackers1896]

WoW players: "Let's do Vanilla" *entire population masters classic* WoW players: "THIS ISN'T VANILLA"

[@MrDarudin]

@Butt Scratcher I believe most of the nostalgia for vanilla comes from the general feeling of the game having a necessity to communicate/learn new things.

[@MrDarudin]

@B Ball I think its also about the fact, that content presented a challenge at the time. There clearly is an appetite for challenging gameplay as can be seen from stuff like darksouls.

[@catchinghackers1896]

@Super6-4 You're gonna need to cite a source to whatever poorly phrased claim you're making. This channel, while having accidentally been logged into at the creation of the comment, takes pride in providing evidence to its claims. Please take a look at my exploit reports.

[@KackfeeLP]

After all those awesome boss mechanics vanilla feels like kindergarten lmao

[@MrDarudin]

@@KackfeeLP The difficulty of Vanilla was finding and organising 40 people. Same for TBC. Running a guild was effectively a part time job requiring planning, structure, micromanagement etc. Raiding guilds back in the day were effectively dedicated clubs. Organising 10 people is way less challenging. Plus with 4 difficulty settings there is kind of a spot for every gamer. Good luck making it into sunwell or naxx without at least 10 hours of gametime per week.

[@justdog5506]

It was so cool seeing rare and epic gear and weapons in 2004. Now everyone has one and seeing someone in full epics is not impressive

[@BelieveMontana]

ehhhh still impressive for me as non raider

[@Minimeister317]

Still impresses myself that I of date have 5 out of 8 pieces of T2

[@skolkor]

Seeing someone in full epic gear wasn't impressive by the time AQ was out. TF however was rare enough that you usually knew all the owners by name. They must have upped the drop on that thing.

[@wizardarchercrazy9632]

Yeah I remember starting WoW vanilla in mid 2005 and everybody was super l33t maxxed out. Classic has been out for like 7 months already.

[@Titi-pu2hl]

They're not rare anymore but I still think epics are really cool in classic. I still like looking at people gear and think they're amazing eve if i'm laos full epic my self just like my whole guild Epics just have so much uniqueness and coolness in vanilla. Much better than retail souless stat sticks. I know every item my character ever had on classic but can't remember a single item in retail except legendaries and a few trinkets

[@Alusan2401]

Gearing: No one is special when everyone is

[@kingjamesbibleforever]

@Othee Death hes saying that its too easy to get gear in vanilla all the raids have been nerfed and under tuned we are not playing the real game from 2004 blizzard has clearly fucked with shit to make it alot easier forget the patch is pre tbc i know for a fact blizz made this shit easy they made drops easy so that braindead fucks wouldnt complain

[@Corrupted]

@Othee Death ? Gearing isnt special when everyone gets it easily, look at current wow lol

[@a1rh3add]

@@kingjamesbibleforever yeah this is post nerf patch. I remember during vanilla it was the beginning of the downfall.

[@erinrinehart4017]

@@a1rh3add yeah, not thrilled they went with 1.12 for this reason. Was really hoping for 1.10 to be honest. :-/ Still, better for me any my schedule and playstyle than retail by 1000%.

[@a1rh3add]

@@erinrinehart4017 i dont play anymore. Its just too easy for it to be fun. I'm more into classic everquest on the project1999 server.

[@wasup1193]

2004: people played wow like an actual game 2020: people work the game like the meaning of their lives depended on whatever they could "achieve" in it

[@MALITH666]

Not really. Rather, back in 2004 we were dumb fucks who did not know how to play the game, and less addons. So basically leveling took months, and few people knew exactly how to get an item and they got it. Considering internet and PC's were potato as fuck raids and dungeons were a mess. Now there is a guide for everything and an addon to do anything. So everyone knows how to get sulferas, where to find this and that. Our PC's and Internet is waaay better. And classic raiding can be done eyes closed.

[@Bleilock1]

@@MALITH666 you are missing the point All that you have said just proves that people now play that game like their lives are depending on it and everyone is massive overarchiever, i blame achievement culture partially for that too

[@Smurfen249]

Malith Loki Melkor Raids can be done with eyes closed yes. But I think noone of you understand that every raid has been nerfed atleast 10times prior to 1.12 wich is the patch we have. Different talents with more dmg from when the raid was not a farming ground. If it was like it was back in the days when a raid tier was current and new people got one shot from a spell or adds because they did to much damage. Naxx is an good example on this subject. Bosses debuffs and damage had the exact same value in wotlk version in lvl 80 and tanks had around 20k health when it was current tier and 5-6k in lvl 60.. You had to actually stack stamina instead of resistnces on some fights on retail because you would get one shot without anything you could do about it. Today all this is fixed and nerfed for a reason

[@relystar1346]

facts wasup1193

[@relystar1346]

@@MALITH666 facts

[@bradfh85]

2004: group does full dungeon run 2020: does one boss for gear then leaves group

[@Alphascrub_77]

2004. Got my epic mount on my mage by farming SM for weeks. 2020. Got my epic mount on my mage from selling food/water in Ironforge after couple hours.

[@1un4cy]

spend 8 years forming a group in later months 1. someone has to go because it took so long, then everyone leaves 2. you wipe once then the hunter leaves

[@TonyNumber9]

We did 2 bosses and healer left out of nowhere, then tank rage quit cause he died and quit group, keep in mine we are in good ol Wailing Caverns, aka the maze dungeon

[@Makujah_]

Wtf, that never happened to me. Not then, not now.

[@kacperdz.3993]

That is bullshit really dont make classic So pure, some things never changed ppl were leaving back in 2004 like they are now the only differece is which makes it seem like it happends more often is there is Way more ppl playing it si its more likely its gonna happen to you

[@Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni]

Nothing makes Thunderfury more legendary than every single person having one.

[@MaSTARMedia]

Im fucking dead this is too accurate

[@greek2701]

mastar media Pog

[@iraf.official]

🤣🤣🤣🤣👌

[@powerflumi]

2004: People had fun 2020: "We found the most efficient way to have this concept that is generally considered fun - by simply not having it" Fun is the stonewall that stands between you and greatness

[@Shadowlyger]

What makes you think they're not having fun?

[@powerflumi]

@@Shadowlyger Not saying that some people arent having fun. Then again, there are also thousands of people out there who consider it "fun" to put a cactus up their poopshoot. So many have different concepts of fun.

[@deckerfranks7098]

I went on to classic wanting the nostalgia, but found a community worth playing with because we all enjoy the game as it is. Not how we remember it to be or how we want it to be. We enjoy classic as its own game.

[@IShallCallHimTaders]

idk what community you found, but its pretty toxic all over grobbulus.

[@kickthejamz]

The nostalgia cant be there because everyone's in a gogogo min/max mentality the games not truly fresh to everyone like it once was, the sense of being in a huge mysterious world is gone it can still be fun just not the same

[@100YardFumble]

STFU

[@Pahhu]

@@100YardFumble no u

[@Kemanh200]

Either people are mix/maxing like this is a mythic raid, or level 60's are mass farming lowbies. Most classes are ignored, dungeons are reduced to cleave groups, pvp is cancer purely meant to troll with no balance, and NICE fixes that would of made classes usable, like the increasing max debuff limit, were shot down by the same tryhards who are spamming mages and warriors. We had a chance to relive it, and we ruined it.

[@Kivrus]

Well glad I'm leveling in 2004-style, I'm only 55 atm lol ;)

[@polymorphism111]

Glad you're enjoying the game! All this min-maxing crap is ruining it.

[@stefanandersen7726]

@@polymorphism111 ye can u imagin people actually like the game so much they abuse it to the extreme, real people who really care and enjoy the game, hasnt even reached max level yet

[@polymorphism111]

@@stefanandersen7726I didn't mean that "every single person" who hasn't hit max level is not enjoying the game lol. It's just that min-maxers in general are very rude to those who aren't and to those who are new to the game.

[@SlayNorway]

@@polymorphism111 not exactly true now is it. sure some are toxic. but its only few. ive only played wow for 4 months and i have 'min maxing' mentality, not cuz i want to but becaue thats just how i am as a person. i enjoy the game just as much as anyone else who plays alot

[@stefanandersen7726]

@@SlayNorway u better pack ur shit away. Wow classic is only fun if u take it chill, oh and its supposed to be non competetive, its not a goal or race to kill the evil raidbosses causing havoc in azeroth, and yeh its not about learning ur class to the limit for optimizing ur time for the good of everyone.. Nah its stupid we should be slow and come unprepared for any raids.. If we even wanna do them its not about gear anyway

[@Misterbazzuka]

the trading part 😂

[@vinapocalypse]

I cackled a little lol

[@coldcrush5921]

so true lol. Im guilty of it I was cornering the light feather market.

[@shten22]

This is exactly why I quit, was some nice nostalgia leveling but in the end it's just not the same. I really do wish future mmos bring back more classic wowlike feel, just the fact that you actually have to communicate.. good times

[@Recraw7]

private servers

[@FreedomFighter08]

Competitive gaming has really hurt the classic experience

[@TheProkonover]

Competitive gaming hurts every game experience.

[@Cyphlix]

*sips water*

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@TheProkonover then why everyone loves it so much and why the only way for a game to be popular and active is being competitive?

[@seriousdraw]

Nobody learns.

[@ambroiserabier4294]

​@@TheProkonover I do not think you can generalize that. LoL or counter strike does well as competitive oriented game. LoL appeal to a wider range of players, some players could have benefited from a less competitive orientation, yes. In wow case, "optimization" did not only happen because of competition. "optimization" also happen in solo and coop games. "Achiever" and "Killer" type of players probably have a tendency to optimize. Optimizing, can be part of the "fun". Just to be clear, I also do not like how wow evolved.

[@KamiPain75]

This is something very common on a lot of games nowadays. People look for efficiency and faster ways to grind stuff. The old days are just that. Old days. They will never comeback.

[@midnightlilac4170]

I used to play trials that expired, and I would make it my goal to get the characters to lvl 20 before the trial ended. Usually they would reach level 20 on the last day of the trial, and it would be the best day ever lmao

[@tariens4841]

This is right, classic wow will never be what he was in 2004

[@Makaveli_93]

Everyone with half a brain knew this long before release. We saw it happen with OSRS in 2013.

[@wozzielfc401]

No most people actually thought they could relive how vanilla was . It can never be the same

[@khanman9146]

The past is the past

[@evilmex1962]

so? There will be something different and that:s alright

[@friendlyredneckneighbor4326]

Hmm strange… Because it’s exactly the same for me. 1. Play on a PVE server 2. Join or create a guild with like-minded individuals 3.DO NOT MIN/MAX 4. Try leveling up without Questie or googling the answer every five minutes This is one hell of a HUGE game even if you knew all there was to know back in 2004 I promise you you don’t remember everything. I can respect your opinion that you don’t like the experience… but for me it’s everything I could’ve ever wanted.

[@noaboa5670]

I wonder if there will ever be another time like 2004-2009 in gaming. That was the most magical time of my life and I’ve traveled most of the actual planet.

[@oswaldmensin5283]

there was wow wise on 1.12 private servers just prior to classic launch. We had a blast with world pvp and most things that were exactly like it was back in original vanilla. Classic on the other hand with AFK mage runs going un-nerfed and also the blizzard nerfed easier content, yeah its not even close.

[@phatoume227]

A good history lesson.

[@wowdriver1883]

I really, really need my friends of Vanilla time ... 😞

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

They all went onto bigger and better things in rl

[@Raoul9753]

2004: "Hey, this spell looks cool and does damage, I use it. Hey, a cave, maybe theres a chest… cool, this talent improves that cool looking spell..." 2020: "According to my theorycrafting the max ressource to DPS way to level this character in the best possible time involves this route, using that rotation, these talents…."

[@sijackex305]

Ppl were like that in 2004 also

[@Bisclas]

@@sijackex305 I was about to say that.

[@klevdud]

@@Bisclas but not everyone

[@sijackex305]

@Nicholas Millington I played in 2004 and people still tried to min or max. They just didn't know everything for sure... if your talking about the masses then yea most people did not know where to get the info.

[@brainzor777]

nobody forces you to search theorycrafting sites.

[@dannydanny4002]

Warlock is just a myth

[@Jokar93]

Danny Danny Warlocks are there to make the Thunderfury worth

[@malcolmf2935]

@@Jokar93 why is this? haha im playing warlock are u saying my class is weak?

[@mdhpclan]

Malcolm F no but there aren’t many of us. Tbh life as a warlock is great. Basically all guilds are looking for warlocks, every pug raid is constantly in need of locks and since there are not that many per raid we get our tier sets kinda easy. Warlock mc loot has become such a meme in my guild cause everything is getting dischanted.

[@malcolmf2935]

@@mdhpclan Yes bro that has been my experience too :) life as warlock is goood. My only problem is getting spanked by warriors in pvp. litterally cant do anything if my death coil is on CD. maybe I will start to use some grenades :)

[@Pesthuf]

"Let's make a class that needs to put like 6 debuffs on enemies to do damage in a game where a single mob can only have 16 debuffs total, shared among 40 players!" Sometimes I doubt they EVER properly tested the game.

[@aminemalek4213]

its really sad that now everything is about boostin,sellin and reserving gear. Once a guy was like "LFM ony, head, viskag, bags on res, T2 healm on bid" , i was like "are you fkin kiddin me brooo"

[@Tingel2711]

Must be alliance pug with open deathbringer

[@clurickert6124]

I constantly laughed at the people who’d reserve basically everything. They say it sometimes like it’d be a privilege to be in their party or some shit 😂. Bruh nah I’ll join a regular group

[@Ardious]

@@Tingel2711 Yup

[@Marqrk]

Join a decent guild and you won’t have to pug raids like a clown

[@FecalMatador]

TheBlockx2 just for the GM to funnel loot to his shit healer of a gf. True story

[@lakesheadtv7762]

damn those legendary weapons you see on every third character you pass by is so true

[@Bullhammer]

Change to a smaller server if that bothers you? The more people there are, the more legendaries as well

[@DresenDK]

the drop rate for legendarys was the same back then nothing changed the amount of ppl playing on each server did

[@doom8274]

@@DresenDK no what changed is people reliably clearing all raids in 3 hours every single week. back in the day you could and did fail raids, over and over, until the guild figured them out, and even then it wasn't very pretty most of the time. you had to choose which to run and what weeks you'd do them, because doing MC/Ony/BWL/ZG back to back would have taken people literally 12 hours to clear, when my guild clears all of them in a quarter of the time and gets them done in a single week, then does it again and again if you have alts at 60.

[@ArthurHill88]

@@doom8274 This is because players were inexperienced back then and there was not really a culture of hardcore competitive raiding with semi-professionalized guilds like there was from late TBC onward when the content was first released in 2004-2006. The simple reality is that by the standard of difficulty and player skill set post-Sunwell the raids in vanilla are just really easy. It really blows my mind that players who cleared stuff like heroic rag in firelands or heroic lich king pre-nerf thought they were going to return to classic wow and find any sort of real challenge.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

@@doom8274 so the way to stop this is lobotomize the players so they have no memory of the raid?

[@WaveofConfusion]

a year later and the hunter bot clip still gets me every time

[@MegaHelloKitty4]

"Meaningful journey through Azeroth, every LVL has his own story!!"- PILAV

[@blackblur]

Not Vanilla but in BC, I'll never forget a random community event I took part of. I was in the mid levels, probably 30 to 50 somewhere...when a guy in trade wanted to organize a firework show in Orgrimmar. So we bought a shit ton of fireworks and spread the word. We gathered a bunch of people in the gates of Orgrimmar and the guy wall jumped to the very top and set off fireworks as everyone watched and cheered for the random gathering of the community. I remember that even as I progressed to 70 and got into one of the top raiding guilds, I still kept the sparkler that guy gave me in the bank to remember that moment. In fact, if I were to turn my subscription back on I bet I'd still have that sparkler in my main's bank.

[@emils7054]

I use questie... But my little brother just started playing. And honestly he finds it just as magical as I did. He thinks a green item is amazing, he loves to find a secret spot, or equip things he thinks looks cool. He chooses his talent points and he does the "waste of time" things.

[@tarron3237]

Whenever I met new playes, I always endorsed that kind of approach. I helped them, but never made them do stuff. Those first impressions are so precious.

[@Weslicus]

Just found this in my KZbin recommendations and proceeded to watch ever video you had. Channel is a gold mine good stuff my dude

[@wythore]

"I hate this min/max meta that came from retail" - Dolores Abernathy, Season 1 Episode 3 of Westworld

[@utah123ify]

Lol, it's got nothing to do with retail. The reason why Classic wow is shit compared to Vanilla is because of the private server community. Do you honestly think retail players knew anything about vanilla, bis lists, world buffs etc.? Not really. Private server players created this meta and they're the reason why Classic sucks.

[@jeffreyishmael5687]

@@utah123ify You're in complete denial if you think people from retail wouldn't figure out how to min/max this even before the work done by private players. The top guilds of the world would've figured out all of the nuances in a month and everyone would copy them.

[@seanwilliams7655]

@@jeffreyishmael5687 he's not wrong though. What we have now mostly comes from private servers that have been playing and optimizing this game for a decade. There are quite a few people who have come back and didn't realize how much the meta had changed since 2006.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

min/max meta did not come from retail. Retail wow has nothing to do with this. it's just the 2020 average gamer mindset. Even if wow was canceled after wotlk and the rest of the expansions never ever existed, and we got classic same period of time like we did, things would've still been the same. Retail has nothing to do with it.

[@RaxoFilms]

Are you not aware of pservers? the global top guilds are infamous pservers players, idk why you blame retail really

[@commenthero9089]

Its just a mind set. You choose how you want to play

[@Kromwell_M]

Exactly

[@professoreggplant9985]

solo often with that mentality. In groups when you play optimized.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

so u never raided? cool.

[@hazardeur]

@@akhsdenlew1861 raids are toxic robot shit these days. glad i never did a single raid in my classic

[@juliagoetia]

@@akhsdenlew1861 Raiding is boring anyway. Filled with neurotic try hards and spazzes.

[@chomes8048]

The Arcanite Reaper. So glorious in my memory, so ridiculous in reality.

[@zuzanabouchnerova9784]

I love your videa so much, it brings me to the childhood. :))

[@nyi6284]

Wow that really nails how classic is and why I quit very fast.

[@1un4cy]

Can confirm every damn raid tank I see has thunderfury

[@bruciekibbutz4698]

Gearing part 100% accurate

[@xsteelfeverx8004]

The thunderfury one is hilarious. Except for the fact that our guild has been farming bindings for almost two years and never seen a second one drop. Yes. Two years of MC and not a single guildie has a TFury

[@Earthium]

I enjoyed the 1-60 experience just as I did the first time. Really enjoyed the professions, questing, AH. Everything falls apart at the high levels. As a rogue, you can't get a dungeon, people don't want to be fighting over the HoJ drop, so no BRD. People just get carried in ZG from 58+, so no strath or scholo, BRS, DM. You can get a group for raids no problem as a matter of fact a lot of people just lvl in ZG and get bis before lvl 60. I'm glad they brought it back just for the leveling experience. Can already run private server and a client on a single computer. Just waiting for a neural network to simulate the players for the true classic experience.

[@poulthomas469]

Same. I had never leveled a Rogue to max so thought i would in Classic. It was a blast. Very much the experience I remembered and cherished. Got to Max level and that is where my memories and reality diverged. I remember having a good time at end game but the reality of Classic was as you describe. I left after a few weeks. The leveling experience is worth it though. Totally agree.

[@Kyth1988]

2004 classic- i was there!

[@pointer0024]

Sad but true

[@wowdriver1883]

Search private servers.

[@worthas7196]

@@wowdriver1883 why private servers?

[@wowdriver1883]

@@worthas7196 , because private servers have original WoW classic (Vanilla) (without other expansion) ... ... some other servers have only TBC, or only WotLK. Interested is that servers can have some option of next expansion into old expansion : WoW classic with option for mount to 20th level; or TBC with high bags of WotLK; and more. There have really good private servers (90% of original expansion with 10% option of new expansion) . So, you can play original old expansion with little help of new expansion. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIeaq56hjL1phac

[@wowdriver1883]

@@Atsiluth , your choice, mate. 😏👍

[@p.maesthetics7154]

YOU KNOW ITS SAD BUT TRUEEE -james henfield

[@tsg4194]

You forgot people getting mad that you're parses aren't high and not clearing MC or BWL in 1hr

[@Josh-99]

Oof. That leveling bit certainly kicked me in the teeth. I've leveled all my alts from level 70-ish to 120 in about two months (that's 9 characters!). When I started playing in 2004 it took me FIVE MONTHS to get my first character to 60.

[@PhilosophicalZombieHunter]

That arcanite reaper in 2004 was hella exciting. I was working on getting it and then spinal reaper dropped from the end boss in MC. I was the happiest warrior on the server.

[@andreaghiretti8189]

First time in 8 years where the problem isn't Blizz but the players.

[@keinname5685]

Sorry man i think you Played on the wrong Server. On Venoxis i hadnt So much Problems How the People are explaining it down This videos

[@akhsdenlew1861]

yea becouse classic MECHANICALLY and technically is insanly close with vanila. Maybe not 100% but let's be realistic here... perfection doesn't exist anywhere. So yea.. it's actually 100% NOT blizzard's fault for any of these.

[@aw2229]

It's like going to Disneyland when you're young and then going again when you get older. Nothing much has changed but your perception and standards have so it's not the same experience

[@armincal9834]

Ye that's ahat i have been trying to tell people! Those who have been playing this game for years are just being nostalgic, they miss their friends and childhood, not the game itself, where are most new players prefer the new wow. Personally i did not enjoy wow burning crusade when i first joined the game, nor did i enjoy BFA when i decided to give it a little go. I dont like blizz's game design :))

[@F25Xanatos]

I'm stuck at 43 and have just lost the motivation to grind higher.

[@UWfalcin]

I stopped exactly there also. I thought of it as s challenge first but meh, grinding and spending 4-5 hours with an increasing time required to level just felt like it was stealing my time

[@beau9334]

40’s is the real shitter for content as there’s next to no quests. But if you start again try Feralas if horde or Hinterlands for ally or get like 2 people and go slam through Searing Gorge

[@Sarthetv]

The leveling part is the worst for me... I actually enjoy it and finding new places to quest when you run out, even if you know most of your questing path. But just sitting in a dungeon getting AoE leveled is literally sooo boring...rushing to get prebis in a day...now what? people complain about too little content when they CHOOSE not to enjoy everything that used to take forever lol. This video is spot on

[@nickroitman6743]

Well I think this happens to people who want to feel like they felt in 2004... I started playing this week with the launch of Classic TBC, refusing to use guides (but I admit I have an addon that shows the level of the zone in the world map because I was trully lost) and sincerilly, I've met a lot of people and made friends that are doing the same. The fact that you know what's the meta on the expansion makes you see it everywhere and you can recognize that, but for us who never played back then everything is new, every enemy, place, dungeon, class, weapon or NPC. I feel Classic is not a place for those who want to feel like they felt in 2004, it's for those who didn't had the chance to experience the true beginning for any reason.

[@kalebs.2409]

That's what Blizzard would like to believe. They really would love to freshen up their player base with some first timers.

[@Jager-yoo]

missing old days

[@murdady]

The prophecy has been fulfilled. “You think you do, but you don’t.”

[@tomebundalevski1872]

We all remember that... We all... dislike the guy and even hate him to an extent, whether he was concscious about this revelation, he said that and threw a bad example of why you don't (spam cities) want to do that... it was to let the past go and never see this again in 2020...

[@TheRobochicken5494]

what are you on about ? i fcking love the old classes. the class gameplay is 200 times more satisfying than retail.

[@petnaby]

I still enjoy classic - I knew full well what I was getting myself into. Can't wait until AQ40 and then TBC - don't care much for naxx but will still clear it

[@TheRobochicken5494]

@@petnaby yeah thats the spirit. its about whats still to come... classic was just the beginning. tbc and wrath is where its at

[@Zoozio]

@@TheRobochicken5494.... What.... Most talents are unplayable

[@standardcake18]

The game was fresh and new. And nobody knew what they were doing. 16 years later we’ve got everything down to a science we’ve been here that long.

[@america795]

This game was fun until Every1 started lookin for mages to do dungeon and did not care about other classes!.

[@Titi-pu2hl]

that never happened except in ZF and monastery. And you could still very easily find normal groups for those, I ran them multiple times with randoms during leveling What you call "everyone" is a few spaming LFG chat, majority was still playing normaly

[@WizoIstGott]

I actively encourage my groups to invite players with odd specs into dungeons, if someone chooses to play ret paly or boomkin in classic, that person has some sort of commitment to the spec.And usually those players know their class, making your dungeon runs way smoother.

[@ernec.5326]

The production is incredible. 10/10! Will watch again!

[@achicken4761]

I couldn't stop laughing and also crying because I miss the old Vanilla days :(

[@Khazz81]

Oh you mean missing the good old days, cause regret is more related to bad experiences

[@achicken4761]

@@Khazz81 Yes missing Vanilla ^^

[@marcomanburd9981]

dungeon 2004: Mobs! lets killem! Dungeon 2022: Walk exactly like this, jump here and if u trigger a mob ppl spam kekw

[@archiei40x]

2004: Many friends: Explore the world, quest together, die together because bad at game and laugh it off. Dungeons exploration and learning through deadly encounters. Guild: Teach you how to get attuned, where to go to get some gear and just bring yourself and 4-5hrs to the raid, expect to die while learning. 2020: Less friends: Preplanned Touring brochure for 1-60, time constricted, do or die. Don't sight see, less viewing, more killing. Guild: You must be attuned to join, you must have BIS ready before our raid group is ready. Bring yourself, 1hr and 100g worth of consumables in bag. Know what to do, if you die to mistakes you're replaced.

[@Nekr0n35]

That was the time for me back then, were I stopped playing raids. People didn't let you go in anymore without perfect Gear Score or set armor. Even if you did enough heal and dmg output, even won duells against others in the same raid to proof them. It did not matter, the trend was Gear Score addons...

[@ghostap2718]

man wtf this channel is perfection. EVERYTHING on point haha

[@Perditionist]

The Leveling in 2004 is a bit inaccurate. I distinctly remember having a ton more gankers around.

[@coldcrush5921]

lol yep I was surprised how much less world pvp there was, started in tbc though

[@Pairsath]

The Mage at the end got me xD....nice work!

[@MALITH666]

I suppose Alex was right when he said "you think you need it, but you dont". Heck I stopped classic playing now, because all I was doing was destroying the good memories I had.

[@csguy3223]

Malith Loki Melkor same. It just feels like a second job with the way people play.

[@DV-zv4ox]

I played until level 40 andstopped. Sadly, classic wow was my one last attempt at reigniting my love for the game.

[@Raptormeatx]

Same I burned myself out on private servers leveled 3 warriors to 60. I couldn’t do it a 4th

[@DV-zv4ox]

@Nicholas Millington It seems what we missed was the nostalgia, awe and wonder the world brought us when everything was new and unknown.

[@Killertomato84]

the best part about playing the first time through was making friends and figuring things out. Now it's all about rushing to the end with new people you barely know because none of your friends play anymore D:

[@CryOverdage]

Reddit: "My friend and i finally archieved what we couldnt in the past: Thunderfury and Rag hammer"

[@Blastros01]

Classic expectations vs reality. People thought Wow classic was harder but in reality video game culture has completely changed and now there's so much information everywhere. The strategies have been insanely optimized and now WoW classic is completely different from what it was in the past. Some things you truly only get to experience once.

[@Andromediens]

Level part is so true ahahahaa. I remember back in 2004 I needed like 3 months to level to 60, the leveling part was a real challenge, character was low hp and oom on each random mob. Now I yolo and aoe everywhere, 120 in 2 days.

[@ToxicPawsFamily]

It’s nostalgic just to read comments. Played wow until 80 Lv in top 20 Eu guild Eclipse. Paladin holy pve / holy+ retri pvp gladiator season 6 or 7 don’t remember know….

[@Hoshpakk]

"Times Change" and not to a good way Edit: with my "Times Change" i mean more the People (Player), no one play a Game like 15-20 Years ago, and this destroys many MMORPGs / Multiplayer Games. Most Player are selfish, min maxers, ninja looter and speedrunner, i can see it every Day in Retail and Classic WoW, and it kills the Game for me.

[@TheMidian46]

blizzard's fault

[@caloreen1992]

@@TheMidian46 How do you figure? It's actually what people wanted #nochanges

[@ashrasmun1]

@@caloreen1992 Exactly

[@TheMidian46]

it's not no changes lol, blizzard delivered piece of trash quality

[@caloreen1992]

@@TheMidian46 What did they do then that caused this?

[@Melchizedek19]

Man this is so true, i remember when i used to be hunter lvl 12 in durotar enjoying killing mobs and trying to discover the world, and when i met Thrall in Org, I felt i was special haha now its not the same vibe at all :(

[@agitimir1437]

Hahahaha the mage at the end starring at the warriors and shamans 😂

[@Arbutusunedo]

So true It hurts

[@chrisyu1021]

In 2004 not much bots and cheating people around and everyone was newbie to everything in wow

[@donaldtuck6391]

And it was fresh

[@TonyNumber9]

Game was new back then and internet isnt as advanced as it is now, as well as streamers ninja looting gear and banning people for "stream sniping"

[@bryanjess4552]

Tell that to the people that were constantly hacked by gold farmers lol

[@cricketfilms1879]

wow.. this was so true. I remember the first guy to get his legendary. IT was epic. Everyone was so shocked and happy for him i legit remember everyone in stormwind freaking out

[@wargul-mmo]

Ну так все и есть. Уже легендаркой мало кого удивить можно. Вот чего я еще не видел, это коня с барона.

[@MaxKuzyakin]

Конь с барона легко как-то получился, а вот "Невыпадимый" с лича так и не дался 🥺...

[@pavelksenofontov6865]

На змейталаке еще в октябре видел гнума и корову с конем

[@lklegion135]

С первого раза выпал ещё в 2014, а вот пепел алара и ворон 10 лет не падают

[@banshatv]

Nice touch on the enhance shaman with dm tribute axe. I giggled

[@sushionaram]

And then its legion and theres 450 paladins with ashbringers in one location

[@Roxar96]

THANKS.

[@avukovic84]

Still better than 450 people with thunderfury

[@Flarestar91]

Yea... Blizz is still obsessed with the idea of making the player a "General" or "Commander" or even a "God". No idea whats the point in this. But it breaks lore so heavy it's unbearable.

[@Gebirges]

@@Flarestar91 It doesn't break the lore lol - Blizz gives us a roll to fill unlike in previous expansion where we were just... there.

[@Corrupted]

@@Gebirges which was way better, fuck modern wow lol it's so easy to see all the manipulating systems behind the curtain

[@winterok2000]

Ur video is so minimalistic and fun. I've just looking something like this. Thanks

[@MrMonergo]

I'm having the more fun with classic than ive had since wrath/early cata. It's just a better game than retail.

[@erinrinehart4017]

For sure! Even with all the issues plaguing classic (bots on overdrive, min/maxers, information overload, analysis paralysis), it's still superior to retail for community and teamwork. Those are two primary reasons why I play games in the first place.

[@craneface8529]

Make more please, this was pure gold

[@Berkay-xl4hu]

I started playin in 2015 and this hurts...

[@hubertreisng7416]

You began in WOD? LULW

[@worthas7196]

@@hubertreisng7416 WOD was really bad, but it had a big hype.

[@tristanfaulkner6003]

I started in 2011, during Cataclysm, Rage of Firelands patch. Makes me sad cause years later I keep hearing that I came in just barely too late to enjoy Wow at it's height during wrath of the lich king, and Cataclysm was right when it started going downhill. Basically, despite having played wow for 9 years now and only having missed the first 6 and a half years of the game's existence, apparently those first 6 years were the only years it was good. I have played too long to fit in with all the new players, but I will never be considered a veteran. I have literally played the game the entire time it has been deteriorating in quality. My best memories are still only a shadow of what warcraft once was.

[@hubertreisng7416]

@@tristanfaulkner6003 If you started during Cata you can call yourself a Veteran these days. People forget that Cata was released 10 years ago...

[@caloreen1992]

@@hubertreisng7416 Hard disagree. You missed the golden ages of WoW, definitely not a veteran if you started in the days of EZ mode.

[@MrVictorLind]

Your videos are the best - So spot on!

[@darkchevalier]

As someone wrote the game didn't change, but people meantime did, or mostly the concept of playing a mmorpg. I remember also ff14 and having the same sensation, that is people skipping stories, quests, just click and go, kick and check others for lvl of items. Back in vanilla once I joined a dungeon, we wiped, but later we stayed HOURS fishing in the middle of nowhere and chatting till midnight. And it was a pug. Those were good times.

[@Reps1991]

Had that in vanilla and classic too. The difference was that in vanilla really most of the players where like this and now its just a part of them. The part that came back to the game like us to have this kind of communityinteraktion. I found my Classic Guild this way

[@eldarius237]

I could swear, none of this was a problem on pservers

[@Scionofgreyhaven]

2004: Good weapons were so hard to come by, One Tauren Warrior finally made Arcanite Reaper and he would destroy duels, PvP and DPS and eventually clear Molten Core and months later replace it with Spinal Reaper! 2020: "Arcanite Reaper is bad, just get Sulfuras or this specific combo of weapons and gear because the math adds up"

[@bankait_rex1860]

This freaking square boxes always hitting in the feels man, I remember when I started wow, as a tauren walking exploring and getting chase by those damn wolfs lol, everything was a big deal.

[@WoWFtw8]

if I could have a WoW with the combat pace and looks of retail, but the world and progression of classic. I would be a happy player.

[@Ese1Pac]

I remember in my old server there was a blood elf rogue that would stand in front of the org AH all day with both warglaives and the illidan mask. That shit was so cool to see but now I walk into org and there are like 6 warriors with both glaives riding the Amani war bear lined up in front of the AH and another 6 rogues chilling on top of the bank with both glaives too 😂

[@Blazingwheel]

Yup carries ruined getting normal dungeon runs at level 30 through to 50 because of SM and ZF. EVEN THOUGH there's enough people waiting outside those dungeons to do a normal run. They're just waiting to buy carries and won't group for a normal run, actually quite sad.

[@Nobody-vr5nl]

It's the same for sub 30s too.

[@WeldedHyena]

Yup completely killing the game

[@Blazingwheel]

@Adrian Wilson You're ruining the experience for others that want a normal run, in being that there's less people LFG for a normal run because everyone instead is LFG for carries, how do you not understand that?

[@Blazingwheel]

@Adrian Wilson "Well why don't the people that want normal runs get together?" As I explained several times, people that want a normal run can't do so because everyone that would be doing a run like normal is in carries because carries form much faster so it ends up that the carries are taking over the possibility to have normal runs. it's in human nature to gravitate towards whatever brings the faster result. "Lol You can't dictate how a game should be played." All I'm saying it's the WORLD of Warcraft not Endgame Warcraft. Half of the entire game is about the levelling process in Classic and forming friendships over the levelling, getting someone to play the game for you that you're paying for per month doesn't seem what any player should be doing in the game.

[@notta3d]

If I could give this more more than a single like I would. Nice job. The gear one made me laugh out loud.

[@ikkisakurai4731]

2004：精良！！yoooooooooo 2020：傳說武器啥時要出新的

[@OGshogun444]

It will never be the same when it was actually vanilla. Classic somewhat gives you the vibe, but it will NEVER feel like how it was.

[@ruskyhusky69]

Where are my people from Deviate Delight at?