WoW Player's First Impressions of FFXIV Savage | Asmongold Reacts

Asmongold Reacts to an ex-WoW player trying FFXIV (Final Fantasy 14) for the first time, by Lucron. Specifically, Savage raids! This well-animated video tells an epic story of a former WoW nerd, their first impressions of Endwalker Savage raids, and it's perfectly paired with Zack's great insight on FF14.
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[@mjs3188]

I would say FF raids are more choreographed than formulaic. It's very much a dance that you need to learn the steps to while doing the other dance that is your rotation.

[@biggestboss]

That's why I like raiding in FF, it's like playing an 8 player version of rock band

[@Ziegeri]

It is a memory game, nothing else. You memorize what the boss does and where to be and you can do it blindfolded and all challenge is removed.

[@lmpoknya]

@@Ziegeri a reason why the prog is fun, but reclears tend to be quite boring

[@Ziegeri]

@@lmpoknya Exactly and also a reason why it is so much more fun to blind prog than read a guide and just walk over the content.

[@Boukensha123]

@@Ziegeri I feel like it's the same with every game. Dark souls and monster hunter games are supposed to be hard but once you learn the boss' tells you can instantly react to whatever he's gonna do. It doesn't mean that it's easy, it just means that you learned the fight.

[@Zanguza]

The party finder in FFXIV is also much more customizeable than in WoW. You can specify jobs in the search, whether or not the party has completed it before, what phase you're progressing in, etc. It's much more solo-player friendly, since you can look for exactly what kind of party you want to join.

[@alaineninmah7040]

I've cleared the lvl 90 savage tier.. and I had a blast... Asmon just keep doing what you doing with FFXIV the beauty of the game is that it allows you to play it how you want to play.

[@PalaZ000]

@@DrGashingtons 6.2 will introduce hard 4 man dungeons + new deep dungeons. :)

[@teeman7137]

@@PalaZ000 oh no pls no more deep dungeon☠️

[@Neffenare]

@@DrGashingtons same here man, exact same situation. it sucks.

[@vanyel_etc8695]

@@DrGashingtons try Palace of the dead - I only get a few hours a night to play and potd is absolutely perfect for it.

[@alaineninmah7040]

@@DrGashingtons Pending what time you get home take your time in going through the other savage raids. Going through PF will take you longer, but at the end you will still get it done. I've been doing that for the longest

[@Kuhazan]

Amongold is right on the loot thing. You do not need BIS to beat the boss and you just fight them for the fun of it.... doing so will get you the best in slot but in other games you would jump through hoops first to get the gear to do the fight.

[@SoSakashii]

Pretty much this unless you want to jump in ultimate in 6.1 right away, then u really need this bis, since the next bis for ultimate will be on 6.3 when the dungeon gear catch up with the ilvl of the 6.0 savage gear.

[@SPERanger]

I’ve played this game from 2.0, and this is the first time I’m actually attempting the current savage tier. Ironically I would clear old savage content unsync only for glamour, but honestly not a lot of the current savage gear is appealing to me. But then I realized I wasn’t doing current savage content for glamour, I was doing it because the challenge is turning out to be a lot of fun

[@ThatKirisame]

gear is never the goal... unless you're a glamourer.

[@brikaro1]

Doing savage week 1 with crafted gear is extremely fun. Getting loot shifts the experience from a clear mentality to an optimization mentality. I find both fun, but they're different experiences.

[@vanyel_etc8695]

@@brikaro1 the problem is that games like wow enforce you to do both simultaneously because you're gonna be carrying your dumbass raid team.

[@HoodeloodumGAME]

It's crazy how much Asmon is willing to speak of endgame content and systems he cannot be further away from having experienced.

[@filtermin5308]

The way he talked about dps being “boring” too coz he can’t track his damage (not true), and that the numbers appearing on screen bother him (you can remove them), I think he just doesn’t wanna learn a more complex rotation compared to tanks, which is also fine! It’s just like you said he speaks a lot when he doesn’t know much 😂

[@Ren99510]

@@filtermin5308 I've seen it from a lot of WoW converts to FFXIV that one main criticism is the UI (including numbers on screen) and it baffles me that nobody tells them that, unlike WoW where you need an addon to do it for you, in XIV you can customize your UI to your heart's content, literally every piece of it.

[@filtermin5308]

@@Ren99510 exactly! It’s so flexible and customizable, even for someone who plays on playstation

[@Longlius]

Loot can absolutely make a massive difference in FFXIV. It's not quite the curve-shattering difference it makes in WoW, but if you do endgame content from old xpacs, there's a very noticeable jump in lethality between alliance raid 1 and alliance raid 3. That's because if you buy the end-of-xpac tomestone gear you're usually around 100 ilvls above what the 1st alliance raid is tuned for but only about 20 ilvls above what the 3rd alliance raid is tuned for. Also makes a big difference in open-world content like hunts or when you go back to solo/undersize old bosses.

[@SwordmasterChannel]

it can make a difference but its completely possible at or near the min ilvl.

[@Longlius]

@@SwordmasterChannel Yeah, but what Asmon is saying is that people farm gear in WoW to go do other content with stronger gear. I'm pointing out that's why people farm gear in FF as well.

[@mactassio21]

Expert dungeons as well. My geared black mage melts those expert dungeons

[@Airlinecuisine]

@@ich3730 you dont even need crafted gear thats for world first raiders or people who struggle with dps. you can literally use the normal raid shit for the first wing of savage and your last tier raid gear. is it the most optimal gear? no can you clear shit with it yes.

[@cainstuart2681]

At highest end the difference from min Ilvl to Boss at 99% is roughly 15%. This is enough to have gearing help to mitigate out a dmg down often and allow some raiders to manage without as much overall strictness (i.e. wk1 your shield healer in the 3/4 fights needs to shield and a reprisal is used to survive, but with gear that shield or mit isn't required letting it have more leeway for less skilled players while letting more skills groups be rewarded with healer dmg)

[@MacilentoTheSteinerGuy]

i would say that as DPS in this game playing your class optimally while doing all the mechanics right is the biggest challenge of all. I didn't try all the jobs but i did Extreme trials and Savage on release playing Ninja and i the game forces you to do a lot of multitasking if you wanna do things right. In a good way i mean, it makes you wanna try harder and be better at your class, as like the video mentions here, unlike WoW, dps has way more responsibility and even if 1 DPS is struggling you'll feel it. and that's why i feel like even without DPS meters the average raiding FF player is pretty good at the game and knows what he is doing, because he needs to if he wanna clear anything.

[@estebanmn6620]

I Agree, i main DPS and my head was spinning after 2 hours trying to clear EX Trial 1 when it came out, once defeated i fealt tired but really satisfied. Later on did it as a tank and it was chill xd

[@Kore_Cir]

In general that's true, but it also depends on the dps job you play. Some are a lot more busy than others.

[@ohnoitsthenoooo]

“He”? Lmao buddy there are like almost no men who play this game

[@skeletonwar4445]

@@ohnoitsthenoooo ???

[@scrotumscratcher2474]

@@ohnoitsthenoooo 4 months later and this is still the dumbest thing I’ve seen on videos comments. Keep coping

[@ZoraKurosagi]

Never expected to have the same pov with Asmon when it comes to mmo raids. I just want to beat the boss so I can finally say “I beat Alexander Ultimate”

[@one909]

Being called Mr. Heavensward sound so cool tbh.

[@mary-anneclow5336]

Actually you can always queue into the raids so long as you're a full premade even if you're under the minilvl.

[@geekwars3998]

9:30 Outside of hard heal checks, each savage encounter can be cleared without casting a single GCD heal while the boss is targetable. Saying that the game is making you choose between healing and DPS-ing is not quite right. It's just punishing your group for not healing/mitigating/performing mechanics properly. If you find yourself forced to GCD heal instead of hitting your DPS button, then either: 1. You're not using your OGCD toolkit properly (most likely reason). 2. You're over-healing, which generally happens during early prog when you don't know the fight (you don't need to waste a GCD heal to top everyone off when no one's gonna be taking damage between now and your next available healing OGCD). 3. You're not properly coordinating with your co-healer (leading to wasted resources - e.g. no point in using your Pneuma when the AST is about to Microcosmos). 4. Your group is struggling and are either taking avoidable damage or not helping with mitigations properly. 5. Rarely, and mostly near the end of floor 3 and 4 of a tier, you might encounter massive heal checks that require GCD heals on top of OGCD healing and proper mitigation - this is the only case where the game is "forcing" you to choose healing over DPS, so to speak. But it's worth noting that this happens only early on in the tier. With enough gear, those heal checks usually become skippable.

[@markman11111]

6. you're playing WHM

[@titusfortunus2916]

@@markman11111 I mean.... assize, asylum, wings, divine benison for tanks, tetragrammaton, aqua veil... and a cohealer and tanks (and even magic dps addle) to suppress aoe damage.

[@livgaines6441]

@@markman11111 i play WHM and i haven't had to touch my GCD heals much this raid tier. all your OGCD stuff is up often enough that you shouldn't need them.

[@TheVlav]

I disagree during week 1 you will be gcding regardless but yes you do try to do as much as what you have said. Once weeks past everyone is either half bis or full bis you can actually heal conpletly with ogcds with maybe a couple of gcds in 3 and 4

[@ShadowHunter31]

@@markman11111 No healer class requires you to use GCD heals. I've cleared the current Savage tier without casting any shields on SGE. The only GCD I've used is Pneuma, mostly because paired with Zoe, it is a 900 potency heal every 4 minutes.

[@zeng58]

As a heroic raider who did barely mythic I had a blast nearly killed p1s doing it next week again. The content is really fun no system grinding loved it dear to my heart and it was the fourth try

[@fionamb83]

Glad you're enjoying. Good look with the clear!

[@zarakitube]

As an ex wow player too i managed to clear all raid savage tier with only crafted gear (not penramelded though). Best raid experience i had in years

[@AcSlaytah56]

Yeah, not having to farm hours upon hours for rng drops and upgrades to do the content is great.

[@diego_chang9580]

FFXIV: Do you have the min ilvl and the skill? Player: Yes. FFXIV: Nice, have a good clear! Current WoW: Do you have a good ilvl, meta legendary, meta covenant at max lvl, meta talents, meta conduits AND the skills? Player after farming all that: *Deep breath* Yes. Current WoW: Nice, ty for your game time, have a good clear! Don't forget to farm your daillies and the coming tier sets too! Lost Ark: Have you paid enough-

[@nhagan001]

@imaforceanature. Want to assume sarcasm, but are you saying he should turn Lost Ark from an MMO into… a job? Like the mythic raiders in WOW that farm over a dozen rotations of a current raid to get ready for World First?

[@diego_chang9580]

@@imaforceanature7297 LMAO holy shit that's gold

[@reycole8837]

ImaForceANature oh man, a huge surprise is gonna wait for you once you reach at least 1370. Seems like many people don’t realize yet, that joining t3 content is just the very beginning of their endless ftp grind.

[@shakeweller]

There is a reason to get loot in FFXIV: Gear is dyeable. For fashion andies like me that's a big deal.

[@mariannerichard1321]

One interesting DPS to do is summoner, you'll have job quest with Y'shtola's sister and you'll get the scholar healer leveling up alongside without having to actually leveling it.

[@ThirtyfourEC]

I like how no one mentioned PLD when Asmon started talking about being a oamni tank player.

[@xehant7319]

@Trash Person and WAR a healer

[@vudangtung5638]

@@xehant7319 healer? Tank? Dps? U mean all 3 right

[@unixtreme]

I like how he's never going to get to max level and he keeps making his own dreams about being an omnitank.

[@ATigerShark]

Sometimes the trash mobs in the raids act as a dps check. If you can kill Foust in time, then you have the DPS to beat the Manipulator.

[@that1JorgeguyxD]

The goal in getting BiS in ff14 from all the raid loot is to meet the requirement ilvl to enter the upcoming Ultimate raid.

[@KusuriyaV]

Can't wait to see Asmon come back and attempt more of the Extreme fights and Savage Raids. StB's extremes are just amazing.

[@Princessk8]

Technically for many people completing savage and obtaining BiS is also about preparing for the next ultimate. At least this tier and next tier ultimately that is what BiS comes down to.

[@Pick3WinningTicket]

Bingo…My static is chasing BiS because we want to prog ultimate.

[@conniescurse7325]

As someone who usually has the tier on farm pretty quickly, asmon is 100% right about the game not being about loot. BIS doesn't really mean much like it can in other games, because it doesn't let you trivialise other content like it does in most other MMOs. BIS is just like a fun badge you get to wear for killing all the bosses, but the gear *itself* isn't the reward, it doesn't really do any special for you, besides show other people how much of a cool kid you are. Which is certainly good enough, I love getting my raid weapon as much as anyone, but it's ultimately clearing the boss that is the highlight, not the gear.

[@anthony26812]

you need bis to do ultimate

[@conniescurse7325]

@@anthony26812 if you're doing an utltimate on release it's pretty much a foregone conclusion you finished the raid tier anyways. For older ultimates it's usually not even the current BIS that is BIS for those fights, I remember having to farm specific dungeon gear to have BIS for UWU last expac.

[@godsendmusic5911]

You’ve never even done savage calm down

[@conniescurse7325]

@@godsendmusic5911 here's my character ID for fflogs /character/id/12962689

[@anacreon212]

honestly the only endgame content that expects you to have bis are the ultimates. SInce those are designed with everyone having bis in mind.

[@Idividezero]

What Asmon doesn't know is that the savage gear is dye-able, and has a bit more effects.

[@Kuroganemk2]

I did all three in pf before switching to a static in p3s... p3s in pf was just pain.

[@GheistXin]

No idea if Asmon is ever gonna read this, but I honestly want to recommend him to give Samurai a shot. It's one of the classes where you actually get to 'feel' your damage output. You just know that once you got your 3 Sens and unleash that Midare, it's gonna be big.

[@ioverslept.]

Reaper...? Theres more high burst classes u know

[@Wholesome_Fries]

Dancer? Theres more high burst classes u know

[@GheistXin]

​@@Wholesome_Fries Yeah totally, Asmon would definitely play a Dancer, it absoltuely fulfills all his class fantasies. /s On Reaper I agree though, but I feel Samurai definitely has more of that "high burst in a single attack" feeling with the frequency of its Midares. You could argue that Reaper has the same with Communio, but that's at Level 90.

[@george_denbrough]

Finally giving Lucron some love. Love that dude's vids

[@MasterAlucardGV]

I think asmon watching lucron first video months ago is what started the whole wave

[@andreiamendes5449]

I've cleared the first circle with pretty much minimum level, I've since improved some parts of my gear, i know I'm doing a bit more dmg, but in terms of survivability it's about the same. I did notice groups with higher gs finish fights faster, so it's not like it's useless, but you definitely can't just overgear and brain ded click bosses untill they die, and i really like that. Was a lot of fun teaching dps from other games used to just tanking stuff on the face and waiting for heals how BAD it is to get hit and get the vulnerability stacks, and the 25-50% dps debuff if they die, which is why we couldn't clear certain bosses. Was a bit of a brainfart for them, but they eventually got it ^~^

[@bigquazz3955]

You don't "need" the loot for the initial clears, but for most endgame raiders there is an extra level of fun in reclearing the fights with BiS gear. People competing for damage logs with their roles or even speed kills. This is done through third party tools though. That being said, you really don't have valid experience in clearing fights at min ilvl if all you've done is sync overleveled jobs and gear down for older content. The balance patches released throughout each expansion have a tendency to creep the power scale upwards. And current expansions do so without any regard to how it might end up overtuning job performance for previous expansions. Additionally, gear that's above item level for a fight and synced down is still going to be better than anything else that was available when the fight was new. While you don't get any free passes on executing mechanics, what you did in Alexander would be the equivalent of starting fresh on a current tier when you're already better than best in slot and using jobs that are stronger than the fight was balanced around.

[@godsendmusic5911]

Are you an idiot 😂

[@jaeusa160]

@7:20 Reminds me that my GM got mad at me on a fight when my Aff Warlock stood in everything that wouldn't one-shot me, but it was on farm, and I just wanted to pad my HPS. And it worked! Top parsing Warlock in the world... for healing... among Warlocks.

[@213fenix]

From what ive seen the gear DOES make a difference only if youre at the current tier of end game. Definitely helps but also isnt mandatory to beat either. Nor do you need to grind mega hard, weekly caps makes it so you can get a little better each week but dont need to super stress it since isnt any daily upkeeping to it

[@yfir1463]

Stormblood and onwards has Alliance Raids that are more like Raids in WoW and has really incredible visuals.

[@WLS_Churchill]

"Stormblood and onwards"... Crystal Tower ? Shadow of Mhach ?

[@diego_chang9580]

Don't forget that if things go as well as last expansion and they decide to keep doing them, the next catch up zone will have 3 WoW like 40-man raids too! : P

[@cat55198]

@@WLS_Churchill crystal tower in it's current state is a joke, it's super easy, shadow is harder, but only 2nd at some points and 3rd raid(diabolos 2 still hits like a damn truck even in full ilvl gear)

[@MegaAndyGG]

True, but Stormblood dungeons are also superb!

[@WLS_Churchill]

@@cat55198 They are still alliance raids, please show me the part where i talked about difficulty.

[@bruhh0713]

I lost it when chat called asmon mr heavensward lmao

[@narius_jaden215]

I have to say, after raiding in FFXIV, it just feels better. WoW raids are often chaotic. They are still memory games, don't get me wrong, but they are all over the place, and they don't feel good to get down.

[@masterzblaze4951]

personally I find all raids and trials on savage level easy until the beginning shadowbringers then you really feel a difference in difficulty. What struck me is that mechanics come at you much faster

[@Staineless84]

Lmao at 7:10 This is what we used to do too. Last expansion we would ignore any mechanics that wouldn't kill us if they affected our damage negatively to resolve, it all came to a boiling point when everybody would stack on an explosion in E6S and take a vulnerability just to avoid moving away and get max uptime. From the next tier and this one, all mechanics give you damage down if you don't resolve them correctly and now we get pissed if somebody tries to cheese one.

[@royox]

The best thing about FF raiding is knowing that even if you are unlucky with the loot, in 4 weeks you will be able to use the raid currency to get THAT piece of gear you wanted. This and also the no Addons policy. Here you have to learn the fight and use your knowledge.

[@warweeny5127]

when are the other expansions going to be uploaded? it is completely silent after heavensward ;A;

[@roddygonzalez2017]

Super nice that this Lucron guy uses Castlevania: COD music

[@highbrowstonebender7063]

Remember when you watched "15 year WoW player's first impressions of FFXIV"? by the same guy who made this video? I want to see you react to a supercut of all the times you trash talked FFXIV before actually trying it. No malice or anything, it's just been fun watching your journey in this game and I would love to see you respond to your own "this is a goofy ass game only weebs play!" opinions from a less enlightened age. Seriously, Asmongold pre Blizz scandal is a different person.

[@neckbeardo1233]

didn't ask + don't care + weeb game + ERP andy + ratio + L + u fell off + ur white

[@sorakh4119]

@@neckbeardo1233 ...Wat

[@gigascalie5557]

@@neckbeardo1233 based

[@ralphbeez1411]

4:00 I agree with Asmon here, having a little bit of trash mobs and going to the boss for ambiance in Normal mode really gives the Bahamut & Alexander raids a lot of flavor that makes them more fun to go through and remember. The later raids dropped this, which was a bit sad. In Alexander the trash didn't exist for Savage mode, so they really were just a fun dressing to make the "story" difficulty better and I wish they'd bring them back.

[@Boyzby]

And they actually did it with Omega too with the story quests. That's how you got to the platform where all the stuff was set-up. I personally love the trash mobs because it makes it into an area and not just a fighting arena.

[@jaeusa160]

I do miss some of the little bit of ambient trash in Alex, not so much Coil.

[@philawbrey3913]

Gonna be honest, I do savage to get the dyable version of the raid gear while hanging with friends.

[@YateriaKurosawa]

not gonna lie, ive done P1S in Party Finder and having to do P2S in there aswell since my FC Static isnt ever going to get to clear P1S with how they are going and i cant find any other statics that fit my times

[@MegaAndyGG]

Dude, time to go back to FFXIV! We are waiting! 😎😇🖤🙌

[@roxiane]

I love this game but I don’t think I can ever see myself doing savage content.

[@Redemptionn310]

The current tier is the first time I decided to give it a shot. One of the best decisions I've made it many years. Once of the best gaming experiences I've had. It can be daunting, and sometimes you'll get that one person that tilts and goes off, but overall it's great. At least give it a shot.

[@neckbeardo1233]

Yeah just stick to ERP, noob.

[@MegaAndyGG]

Same 😅 I love FFXIV, but i am not savage, ultimate guy. I don’t have a patience 😊☺

[@EmetSelch.]

@@scotaloo77g73 LOL The skill required is cleary not the same...Extreme trials are cat's piss. Some can end up being totally blind or first time. Never happened to Sadistic content...

[@lethaltoconcrete2194]

@@EmetSelch. Yeah, that's not true. The first two Savage fights of a tier are basically Extremes in difficulty. The third and especially the fourth fight are where the difficulty really ramps up.

[@Pikachu-qr4yb]

Uh, you can turn the numbers popping up on the screen off in the settings you know..

[@xM4XT0Nx]

really high quality video, really like that little guy.

[@TyX25]

Switching jobs may help from time to time. Starting P1S as a monk but I couldn't hit the boss as often as I like so I switched to MAC a never looked back

[@anthony26812]

P1S is a full melee uptime fight, but uptime is easier as a physical ranged so I guess

[@ChaoticCreed]

Loot doesn’t make a difference in ffxiv compared to WoW but funneling the dps their gear before week 4 of a raid tier is a godsend for those dps checks. Especially p4s p1

[@linkshellvendor]

My FC tried Savage for the first time 2 weeks ago. We wiped on the first boss and havent been able to try again. Some members have been missing since. There are people who just cant addapt or learn the fights which is really dissapointing.

[@error-4518]

We got to p3s 1% enrage and then people started to give up xD

[@LashNSmash]

As long as you meet the minimum required for stats, gear does not matter if you play well. it HELPS, but isn't necessary

[@DeletedSanityCPG]

From a party finder stand point, having more options for strategies leaves more headaches, believe me @_@. There are actually several ways to resolve the mechanics in P3S and P4S which can lead to some challenging (read as hair pulling) situations in party finder. So, to a degree, the specific scripting of fight mechanics helps keep that to a more manageable level.

[@setsuya5785]

Sad that he didnt talk about the limit cut phase

[@Ceronia]

"I will beat all ultimate raid in ff14" - Mr. Heavensward

[@KaiserGamesGamersRiseUp]

"In 3 years" - Mr. Heavensward

[@jamespullin6500]

I know this is an older video I haven't seen this one but I've watched almost all of your other ones but you do care about the gear it doesn't matter because even when you get to end game or whether you want to do it now you could desynthesize for items that you could use for your crafting or even a sell or anything. Or even to trade for white scripts

[@Kore_Cir]

You cannot buy the weapon from the fourth fight with books from the first. That'd be absurd.

[@danpascooch]

Small correction for the video: The 2nd death debuff actually lasts 100 seconds, not 60. It's just that the game displays any debuff time between 60-119 seconds as "1m"

[@enyaliosares4301]

The guy puts his own correction in the very video captain particular

[@fennyfenris]

Damn his chat can be a cesspit at times.

[@diggles28]

Did he mention all the tanks except the only one that actually matters?

[@Duskinator]

Getting that gear feels so good though...and also can really take the edge off some of the bastard mechanics and heal checks XD

[@Ndoelicious]

"okay mister Heavensward" lmfaoo that got me

[@morganwebb5244]

Healing Endwalker extremes on white mage is all the blood lily I dont think ive used a single cure 3 in hyd ex

[@graybust8556]

Another thing about the stages for p3(s) is that it suppose to be a disadvantage for you to fight there, for whoever reads the story for it. Been a lot of complaints about it being difficult to see orange AoE's on orange stage but that is literally the point\disadvantage. I do understand it can probably be terrible for someone who is colorblind though

[@thefbat5847]

Clearing p3s as colourblind was pain

[@ArchieGamez]

The arena is orange but my DPS is not :(

[@luxadia7310]

P3S being lore accurate doesn't change the fact that the stage is a pain for colorblind people or people with worse visual accuracy, this kind of arena is a problem and that's why we complain about it, square enix should have it in mind that some people will get penalized when making those kind of arena

[@no-trick-pony]

Literally everyone is using ACT as damage meter for savage. And yes, you can queue into Savage with whatever ilvl, since PF and premades are full groups and the DF ilvl check only applies to non-full party

[@xujenvoxith360]

Glamour is end game. Therefore gear matters.

[@apharys8921]

Having done Pandaemonium Savage solely through party finder the first two were quite enjoyable and still are to farm. Painless to get in and a fun experience overall. P3S is a nightmare for PF, I'm still trying to get through it but I've recently reached the last big difficult mechanic, hoping to clear before everyone leaves to play other games lol. So many assignments, so many different ways to do things with every group being a little different, so easy to wipe, *so much orange*. P4S I've heard isn't quite as bad an experience in PF but no cake walk for sure, doubt I'll get to clear that one.

[@enyaliosares4301]

P1+2S are more akin to extreme level difficulty and designed to be thus. P3S is where savage begins and it’s where those who can clear, clear and those who can’t, carry on playing at extreme level.

[@Airlinecuisine]

I have always pugged raids til this tier. i finally said fuck it and joined a static and it makes it way easier to have that consistency for every pull and we only raid 3 times a week in 2 hour intervals it's life friendly and progress friendly. i do not think i could at this point go back to pugging the raids because of how bad i remember it being xD

[@rubykid15]

Pugging raids in PF is tough but it can be very fast compared to a static IF you do it correctly and are quick to pick up mechanics. You HAVE to skip ahead and essentially "trap" higher to get more higher quality players. If you are a solid player that can grasp mechanics quickly via watching a video or somones base explanation then you can elevate quickly through PF and get away from the trash players. It also helps if you are in the earlier waves of players when the content drops. After about 3 weeks, the PF pool of players who have not cleared are seriously lacking to outwrite abyssmal. Usually the more "non-serious" raiders are in this bunch and they have usually bad DPS and worse raid awareness.

[@Airlinecuisine]

@@rubykid15 100% true if you dont clear the first 3 raids in the first 1-2 weeks your pretty fucked in pf best you can maybe hope for is a c41 party and take the L on chests for that week. and yeah dps normally isnt the problem in the later weeks as people should be more geared to help compensate for their lack of job knowledge it's that they are mechanically weak its some of the issue we have in my static is half of us have done savage before half of us havent so some are mechnically weaker even tho they have great dps.

[@ThePyrusKnight]

FF Brave Exvius music? Lucron's got good taste in music

[@absi1074]

8:00 when you accidentally fall off thrall and jaina shitty broken bridges in sylvanas

[@SuikodenGR]

Lucron is just an amazing content creator 😁 Super chill guy

[@TheTurribleDonPatron]

The loot will only ever be important for Ultimate fights, otherwise it's cosmetics baybeeeee

[@Onjiii]

Let's be clear tho, a healer that doesn't dps in ff is outright inting the group. The dps check in Savage is designed around everyone contributing. Ofc within reason of keeping everyone alive

[@KayMacheen]

This tier's BiS is probably gonna be what is the requirement for 6.1 Ultimate.

[@shakeweller]

Only if you wanna do it right away. Most people just wait for the end of the expansion then do it. Ultimates are solely cosmetic so rushing them is pointless.

[@herny45]

@@shakeweller It isn't. The flex is enough reason for ppl to chase it on at current patch.

[@AoyagiMei]

@@shakeweller No other content to do when ultimate releases in 6.11 so raiders who are still subbed will do it anyways.

[@shakeweller]

@@herny45 The "flex" in FFXIV. Nice joke. You can stand in Limsa with Lone Hero, a TEA weapon, a bunch of rare glams and no one cares.

[@herny45]

@@shakeweller Good thing raiders aren't bothered by filthy casuals

[@marcman94]

Glad seeing him enjoy different games! Sure am looking forward to him continuing msq and getting to join in on the current up to date experience though!

[@24hr-Gaming]

So the content is designed to be clearable with min ilevel, but it's clearable in terms of everyone has to be on their game. For example min ilevel P4S, I heard about people wiping to enrage even with 0 deaths. But after you get gear even 2ish deaths you can still clear assuming people aren't sniffing glue. The other part gear makes a big difference is in p3s. PF got mostly hard walled by the adds phase there, but once enough time had passed for people to get a tome weapon, the clear rate of adds phase generally went up.

[@LagunaLeonhart]

13:10 FFBE!!!

[@patrickoverstreet2372]

Yeah, loot is important for more dmg and thats about it, the reward is beating the boss not the gear hands down

[@someweeb4110]

12:46 lol

[@PowDJoke]

"alright Mr Heavensward" hahahaha that was perfect

[@juicytin14]

Asmon is totally right about not really caring about gear. It's just a by-product of doing the Savage fights, which I do purely for fun. The higher gear really is just to make future reclears more comfy, and there's no point in being BiS for anything outside of parsing or doing the Ultimate fights. All the normal content is easy enough to clear with basically any gear you get from doing literally anything in the game. Square should design raids to give people vulnerability AND damage down stacks for messing up mechanics. The thing is I feel like the damage checks are lenient enough (unless you're doing week 1 or something) that damage downs don't even matter most of the time.

[@anthony26812]

Idk people keep saying gear doesn't matter but if you're in a pug group having gear makes clearing the fights easier, a full pug group with crafted gear will struggle a lot more on later floors compared to a group with mixed tome/savage/crafted gear

[@happyhealsgaming7614]

Better to say in FFXIV, is that you don't have to care about gear as much as other games. Yes gear becomes "important" in certain situations (Like meeting DPS checks, tank/heal more effciently and such) BUT, we have people called "World First Clearer" who can literally clear a new tier of Savage on Day 1. Aka, simply having Fully Penta-melded crafted gear, one Tomestone gear and maybe 1 raid gear they get per floor, by simply having extensive knowledge, quickly adjusting and mastering your own job and raid utility you can BEAT the tier. Getting gear in FFXIV isn' t a goal at all. It's something that HELPS with the initial goal, beating the current end-game. Infact look at Ultimate content. Those are MUCH more difficult than savage, but guess what mate there's not such thing as "End-game gearing" when the fight forces your ilvl and level to a very specific amount that getting "End-game gear" doesn't change that.

[@SoulWhiteAngel]

Omg sunlust is actually in my fc XD

[@fluffyfang4213]

Once you memorize an encounter, it only gets repetitive from there. An unfortunate consequence of non-human opponents that no video game can escape. That's why I play a healer (and sometimes RDM). I interact with the encounter in all the usual ways, but I also get to interact with people messing up and the only time that's predictable is when no one makes any mistakes.

[@FuuuckOffff]

That's why things like affixes and a degree of RNG are interesting. You need some unpredictability in terms of events. What makes FF raids more accessible ironically also reduces their replayability.

[@ZexX0505]

@@FuuuckOffff i don't know, i play the same fights as a different job and everything is new again, the added layer of job rotation is what keeps it new to me

[@MrJesuisOMG]

@@ZexX0505 But that's not the design of the fight, that's class design that creates the loop. You just want to see how you can do the same steps but with a different class rotation. You're not going into it for the fight itself.

[@fluffyfang4213]

There are actually several fights with randomness faked by the boss doing one rotation or the other (Shiva, E2S, etc). There are also a few where an ability does something or the exact opposite something based on visual cues or buffs. But because this isn't a roguelike, FFXIV just makes sure you have time to react/respond to the randomness. A boss using skills in a completely unpredictable order would probably play out like Exdeath (normal) or Rathalos where you only react to one mechanic at a time.

[@lethaltoconcrete2194]

@@MrJesuisOMG Not necessarily. Bosses with more downtime are optimized around in different ways by different jobs. You're not always just doing the standard rotation, or if you are, it's not necessarily optimal unless it's a full uptime fight.

[@Loispealz34]

There are only 4 fights per tier. Which means more resources can be allocated to make each of them Absolute bangers. Only 8 people. Which means organizing a static is relatively easy compared to the absolute chaos of WOW raids (which can be seen as a negative, those raids are cool precisely because there's an army of players fighting together), and LFG is also easier. You have complete control over the party finder. Avoiding repeated roles is a simple as toggling one option.

[@sera_venus]

16:35 is paladin good on any fight?

[@Delmania01]

All tanks can clear all fights.

[@sera_venus]

@@Delmania01 thanks!

[@ninponighthawk]

Paladin is AMAZING in savage. with their ability to outright soak up a tank buster for the main tank meaning no moving and worrying about tank isolation and their party mitigation with their wings and solid damage, HUGE heals under Requiscat (though a dps loss, you can very easily full heal from near death by yourself), and probably the second best, arguably the best, invuln in the game with Hallowed Ground. With their recent buffs they also have great damage in comparison to the other tanks.

[@EB-mu9ex]

Still some DPS checks in savage. If you got crap gear and not on top of your rotation unless someone is compensating for your lack of damage you gonna fail.

[@paulboston5211]

You're selling me on FFXIV.... I did used to play WoW and FFXI for 10+ years.

[@ninponighthawk]

free trial just restarted this week so give it a try. worst thing is that you dont like it and only wasted a few hours of your day.

[@MasterAlucardGV]

Try it, as everyone says....its free up to lvl 60

[@niamoon4748]

Loot becomes important towards end game (for various reasons) bc it's the only way you'll really be able to get the high stat gear. I just collect the books/items to get it from the vendor tho lmao It gets wild :) I really look forward to seeing when you pick it back up and continue on. Edit for clarification

[@SenaMeushi]

Loot is entirely irrelevant in XIV. You don't need any of it to clear content outside of Ultimates (which are few and far between and even then, the BiS for Ultimates usually changes not too long after it comes out to dungeon gear), because the content is designed to be cleared with people in full crafted sets. On top of that gear and substats in XIV are exceedingly boring, with no set bonuses or anything that noticeably impacts the gameplay experience other then getting back to a comfy SkS/SpS value. Literally the only reason anyone in XIV cares about loot is because they want to stroke off to their FFLogs page, despite no one else caring.

[@smoltoaster]

@@SenaMeushi I personally just enjoy being bis. Its just nice to log on and know my character is at its peak capability. That obv doesnt make it more interesting or anything but I still really like getting gear and look forward to it every week. I think gear is fine the way it is honestly though, I'd rather care more about becoming more skilled and clearing the fight, than just doing it for a drop. Maybe they could experiment with each class (other than PLD) actually having an off hand item that does somthing interesting, and having different ones with certain effects drop from each boss. Or maybe set bonuses, so for some classes, the full raid set would be better than mix and matching tome and raid gear. It would add some variance to the gameplay so every class isn't the same for every player, but I kinda also like being on an even playing field with everyone else. I think its fine how it is rn and I wouldnt mind if they experimented with werid loot ideas, but Im totally fine if it just stays the same

[@landrybt]

@@SenaMeushi I care about my gear because it’s visual progression of my character, not to stroke off to my FFLogs. Not to mention it contributes to my performance. People do like parsing and there are people who actually like seeing their character get stronger, and gear does do this regardless of how boring the gear itself can be. Yeah the gear is kinda boring but we’ve seen how horribly unbalanced other games like WoW have been forever with gearing that isn’t nearly as streamlined. Good trade off. To say gear is irrelevant is dishonest, however. It’s not really the focus but it’s certainly not irrelevant. Gearing mid tier does influence more clears. That alone contradicts what you said. Just say it’s not as impactful instead of outright saying it’s irrelevant. Have you even stepped foot into a PF savage at the start of a tier then at the end? Doesn’t matter how stupid the group is, it’s easier than it was before. Wonder why. Oh, oh, I know. Gear.

[@user-un2yf7bw2n]

@@SenaMeushi getting to skip second pinax do be a bless

[@MastatmastaT]

I've been so unlucky in my PUG loot rolls. Only one piece of gear won in 6 weeks of clears for p1 and p2 ;-;

[@ember-evergarden]

the only gear that matters in xiv is Ultimate BiS

[@markup6394]

Technically you can keep dps'ing in the Bozja-raids: you dont get Vulnerability, instead you get a "Twice before ruin"-debuff when you get hit by avoidable mechanics. Meaning, if you get hit a second time, while the "Twice..."-debuff is still active, you get the "Doom"-debuff that instand kills you. Its actually a fun concept since you can weasel your way through without dmg-down. If you time the moments that you get hit intelligently over the course of the fights (which take several minutes), you can get hit and survive without any downside. But, yeah, best not getting hit at all ^^°

[@anthony26812]

twice come ruin in delibrum actually does give you a damage down as well, along with the doom if you get hit again

[@markup6394]

@@anthony26812 Its been a while since I was there ^^°

[@cimbomogi]

I wish there would be a way to just remove twitch chat from asmons youtube videos. I am getting migraine from reading the dumb comments.

[@muffetmissulena6540]

I just grab a piece of paper or a t-shirt and cover the chat myself.

[@joshuadillon7134]

While I appreciate your stance to maximize the tanking efficiency, I definitely recommend trying the other roles as well. Oddly enough, in the little bit of Savage / EX fights I did in ShB, the dps role was the one that had the most mechanics to mess around with and the joy comes from finding the five ish extra GCDs you can move in with your mobility skills as well as your utility like Feint / Arm's Length for knockback immunities. It feels extremely rewarding not only to be successful at it but also to solve that puzzle as you learn the encounters.

[@diegomo1413]

I didn’t care about pentamelding before jumping into savage so I made a killing selling materia to people sweatier then me 🤑

[@TheBenolan]

This is not a dig at Asmon, but there is no way he goes back to final fantasy. I feel like that window closed. There will always be a Lost Ark or Elden Ring coming out that will be the hot new thing that he will pay attention to as a smart streamer and business man.

[@nutterbipple]

He never really fully connected with FFXIV. In retrospect, Asmongold started with WoW and he'll probably end with WoW. He plays other games to cater his audience, but he never did stop playing shadowlands, despite it being a shitstorm. You can see it on his face, that's someone who truly loves world of warcraft, through highs and lows ever since the beginning.

[@negeo1234]

Wow this comment about beating every ultimate did not age well.

[@adriannebee2056]

If all you care about is clearing, gear doesn't matter. Week 1 people clear on crafted gear. But if you care about glamour or your numbers on fflogs, are a completionist, want that leeway for mistakes or just like how easier it makes certain checks, or are going for speed clears, then you want to be bis. It all depends on what is important to you. I personally like big numbers, want leeway in case, and am a completionist. But that is what is important to me.

[@Wolfwood2057]

Maybe he just hasn't posted the video, but hasn't he only beaten up to pepsiman so far? Pepsiman is a great acomplishment, but I wouldn't consider Alexander almost done until he's downed Justice and experienced his first complex mechanic in Judgement.

[@markdavenportjr5129]

Dude there are crazy names out there in the game lmao. :)

[@KioriBug]

as a fellow famfrit player...of course that name is on famfrit

[@DrGandW]

Ok kinda starting to feel chat looking down on him for not having beaten everything

[@Vexelpops1]

14:30 sometimes chat is so desperate to own asmongold that they kappa him even when he is saying something negative about himself. 2 IQ chat

[@darius8652]

chat xeno dingdong emote.