Wrecking the leader with 7 laps to go, Was this Justified???

In car footage of Bradley Brown driving the #23 Hyper Chassis Wingless 600cc at Clyde Martin Memorial Speedway on 7/8/2023.

[@markmark2080]

This the first of your videos I've watched, thank you for your efforts to "bring us along", really enjoyed it...

[@reflexraceproductions7168]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@charliepowers5265]

Just don't forget what happened and how it happened. We were talking about the 5 car beating and banging earlier in the race.

[@countrygrandpa]

Glad the boys okay. Might want to put a GoPro in the car facing the rear. Looks like you guys have a fast combination. Great driving

[@imreh5588]

Your setup looked perfect that night rev limiter on the straightaway just be for lifting. Really hooked up to.

[@invaderdag711]

if you go for an overtake, in most racing, the passing car has to adapt to the lead car and follow his rhythm to find a place to overtake. If you got a good run out of the corner and came up fast on the car in front, it is up to the driver to adjust and not crash into the lead car. i've seen other racing events, like IMSA GT, Miata cup, and others where officals reviewed footage and decided that it would be either a stop and go penalty or just add 5 seconds to the time after race finish (eg. lap time of 1:40 becomes 1:45, come the checkered flag that could move you from 1st to 8th or lower depending on how close the cars are). it was fair to move the car at fault to the back of the pack, but the driver should be warned not to do it again. Suspension if it happens again, if that dont work he gets the boot from the league.

[@williamcampbell6589]

Seems like a a whole field of "daddy's money" racers and it's not just this series. Until tracks start parking these drivers and taking points, nothing is going to change.

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

Australian Sprintcar Fan here. Yeah, we have a whole cadre of young fellahs over here who're "Dad's money" driver's, and a number of them are second, third or even fourth generation "up-'n-commers", most of whom have all the best of equipment, but none of the talent of their Dad's and Granddads. But the style of racing you're talking about, with this "all or nothing" "they owe me because of my surname" kind of attitude, unfortunately starts to creep in, and these "racing incidents" begin to take place, where when the young blokes great equipment just COULDN'T make up for the lake of talent or opportunity, things like this started to happen in ever growing numbers. The "Slamming Sammy Swindell" mindset (who'd toured Australia on a number of occasions, going back to the very early 1980s) but didn't really indulge himself with it down under, not that I ever saw anyway, but yeah that kind of "it's mine, it's all mine, mine, mine" like it's a video game or something, and the consequences of making moves like this are just "a jumble of pretty pixels on a screen", and it's real live, living and breathing people and not just the loss of "someone else's equipment", just over indulged little sh'its really.

[@williamcampbell6589]

@@frenzalrhomb6919 it's the same here in the states. I was a 4rh generation racer, but I did it on my own with my own money. I had to learn how to be fast, consistent and win, all while taking care of my equipment. I could buy many parts, I had to make a lot of them. I set up my own car and fixed my own car. It will make you appreciate your equipment when your own labor is what keeps you on track. If I had to spend time fixing the car, I wasn't spending time making it faster.

[@DSmith1997]

Alot of Tracks in New England are doing this now. Although this one wouldnt of sent then to the hauler to the back was fair. By the sounds and looks of what was said in the end i think it was more a racing deal. Leader likely didnt know the run was coming and 2nd thought ehy were close enough to not have to back off. Obviously i know some tracks and series do differently. Up in New England we dont have much Dirt just Asphalt and they beat the living shit out of eachother sometimes. Most tracks have began enforcing strong rules with retaliation and stuff along the lines of Intentional. Obviously accidents happen but with the expenses of this sport in all diciplines its the right call to try and keep this sport we all love alive and well for the ones with less money as long as possible while we still try to recover from Covid Financially.

[@ShaunHensley]

Motorsports has ALWAYS had a lot of rich kids competing

[@chriscurtis8341]

parking them isn’t the answer. They’ll just go to the next track down the road that will let them race. The answer is for them to get touched by fists a few times so they actually think about consequences. EDIT: How the hell did the driver get concussed? If he gets concussed that easily, prob shouldn’t be racing.

[@David-uu1oj]

That sucks actually and it's not "just racing". These two racers were the stronger cars and out on the rest of the field. That was an opportunity to build a trust with another driver for at least five more laps but that's long gone now. There was a Good probability for another opportunity at a restart to take the lead.

[@phillippettes6321]

He just pulled a Earnhardt move. Seems like everyone is doing it now

[@neilallen2144]

So if P2 had such a great run on P1, which would have been a great opportunity to slide P1, or just drive by him. I just cannot understand doing a PIT maneuver on a fellow competitor..........especially a sprint car. Not cool. Incredible run up until then !!!!!!

[@normjohns7295]

What's missing from most short track racing is suspensions ! When I started racing we got sent home and suspended for the next week too for rough driving! If race officials want to be officials they need to be unbiased. "Oh, we're giving his spot back cause he spun to miss the yellow" WTF kinda BS is that. HE NOW IS PART OF THE YELLOW IDIOTS! Stop on the track go to the back ! There is no grey area there that's as black & white as it gets ! #5 sent to the back ? That #5 needed to be Black Flagged and sent home for 2 weeks ! I'm sick of favorable calls.

[@broughxtreme]

No. 5 to the infield, Brad back to 1st on the restart. Cars don't spin like that in the middle of a straight.

[@justasimplecadjockey687]

Unfortunately this is what racing has come to. Its the new normal. It used to be a little rubbing here and there, maybe throw a wicked slider at a driver if they are really being an ass, but turning a guy into the outside is just reckless no matter the situation. No patience, no courtesy, just checkers or wreckers these days. Whether its dirt, pavement, fenders, or none.

[@truegret7778]

Glad Bradley is ok. You really have to take concussions seriously. We'll have to take you word he was hit because it is tough to say that with certainty from this video (for me anyway), plus it seems like an odd direction for the rear to go if hit by another car with a good run off the last corner. Good hard racing though. I watched a similar class out here on the left coast last year at Kern County Raceway Park west of Bakersfield California - pretty exciting class.

[@fsckit]

That #5 did the #23 dirty.

[@Enigma-Sapiens]

"Wrecking the leader with 7 laps to go, Was this Justified?" No, it is cowardly and chickenshit IMO. You're out there to prove you are the better, faster driver. To win by wrecking the leader shows that you are not...

[@williambillwaynerobertson930]

Turning someone on the straightaway is just ridiculous and uncalled for especially carrying that much speed in to a turn you could barrel roll FOREVER, always need give and take.

[@JDR8]

knew it was going to be the 5, guy is a squirrel. Track is only a half hour away, have to get up there and watch sometime. Nice racing, enjoyable to ride along!

[@jeffomspaugh6691]

Intentionally dumping someone should be a black flag at minimum

[@jacobteeters7922]

Awesome to see Guhl on here

[@crippleguy415]

This shit looks like soooo much FUN 😃👍🏻💯❤

[@Dino-cj1ko]

This is the new style of driving led by nascar drivers.

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

Yep!

[@dfranklin3346]

If you look at an earlier segment in this video you will see the number 5 did elbows out driving earlier banking wheels to accomplish a pas. Guys got bad habits developing fast.

[@robertchilcote6383]

I have to say it sounded like your engine was red lining mid straight away and that last lap prior to spin it seem to lag just a bit. Perhaps just enough for contact from behind. Does truly suck though. You had her in the bag. Awesome line!

[@monkeywrenchization]

Hard to make a judgement on only seeing the gopro video. Be easier to judge from different angle. Must have hit right rear to turn somebody into outside fence.

[@abpob6052]

Winning is understanding you can't pass the car in front of you and settling for 2nd place as the best you had for that night. Doesn't matter who gets first place.

[@louismaine5712]

This dude was moving, straight ricky bobby style

[@billgriffiths1685]

WOW!! What a rush.

[@SkunkieDesignsElectronics]

At 2:14 you can see the #5 car drive into the side of the "car with the camera" after bumping him twice wasn't enough to shove them out of the way. He clearly did the same at the end of the race and caused a high speed crash into the wall. If he really did have a "great run off the corner", he could have dove inside for a pass, instead he took the chickenshit way out and crashed him. The fact he was sent to the back of the field shows the officials saw it the same way. This guy needs a stern talking to by race officials and if continues to drive like this, banned before he kills somebody.

[@danielneece6404]

Awesome. Vid tks guys I'm not weighing in on controversial element but oh what a ride.

[@dylancold23]

That same car ran over him on that restart and continued to stuff him in the wall. If you wanna race with men, you should be able to take a grown man ass whoopin.

[@FiveStringC]

No way the leaders got the right to the fastest line if you want to over take youve gotta do it off of the line just belting the guy from behind at that speed is a real shit bag move

[@jeffmill6683]

Someone like that, you take him out behind the trailer and show him how happy you are.

[@dave3823]

Could have been bad timing or just a racing deal. These cars do have a triangular bumper after all. BUT probably not after seeing how the 5 handled a previous restart.

[@lancelane217]

Such is the culture in racing today. If you can't beat the guy in front of you, wreck him. Karma will repay. :)

[@bluegrass2368]

Guys are saying this is the new normal, maby someone needs to take the coward out behind the hauler and give him a tune up. It worked years ago. I always promised to provide another tune up if he's a slow learner.

[@grumpyg9350]

I had two eggs and some sausages for breakfast today.

[@BartBullock-tf9hu]

Old school here, I raced mx,& dirt roundy round, It doesn't matter what you think.... If he bumped you from behind you We're not the fastest car on the track. Edit: It's obvious you are Riding the cushion, when your car is set up to run there, It's the quickest way around the track. The boy that bumped you from behind, It appears he was set up to run the cushion, And if this is the case, any attempt, To change lines, Would have slowed him down, If he attempted a pass, The mature, Professional, And the safeway to do this, Is to stay on your Bumper, And hope for a mistake by you, Otherwise,he should be penalized for getting into to you. Racing Is a psychological chess match, If you ever feel it's O k to take out your opponent, You are risking life and limb, And boys is just not worth it, Always try To live to race another day, It's very hard to improve, If you d n f, Are get black flagged.

[@joshkrug1461]

Officials saw it and sent the guy to the rear, which is good. NASCAR would have let him keep his spot lol. I hope the officials/promotor had words with him after the race also. Guys who just flat out wreck people are nothing new in racing. I think its best when the top people in charge handle the situation rather then drivers/pit crews.

[@user-sw7jc4go7w]

It seemed to me that brad’s car wasn’t really setup for the outside line.he had been peaking the last 20-30 foot entering..but the 5 had options and just missed judged.this car aren’t meant to bump and bang and sure the 5 wouldn’t try and wreck themselves..

[@lovetopew9054]

So, you missed the other parts of the race where the 5 was banging into this guy on a couple of other occasions?

[@mjriemen]

Thats very hard to pull of on purpose. He got sent to the back though, thats an appropriate punishment.

[@The-carpenter-420]

Its racing and there is no crying in racing. get the sucker next race or in the pits but dont cry. Sometimes respect is earned and sometimes it’s forcefully taken and crying don’t get you nowhere but laughed at so go take whats yours

[@huck5x]

There was at least a good six inches between you and the fence you could’ve gave him more room ya know ..

[@rogerwalker8021]

THATS RACING!! Probably need to have a “talk” with the other driver.

[@ShaunHensley]

Same driver who banged into you on the restart a few cautions back?

[@wafflesacker]

That 5 car took out a couple drivers not just him he should be band

[@jeffeckhardt2081]

Thats bullshit, i knew it was gonna be the 8 car just by how he was racing earlier in the video.

[@dhollongstreet4725]

There is a wreck every few laps in the race, Were they justified? Hard to make the point when it looks like half or more of the field wrecks in the race.

[@FawknHayn2986]

What motor is in this thing sounds insane

[@reflexraceproductions7168]

its a 600cc sport bike motor! most are Suzuki's & Kawasaki's

[@FawknHayn2986]

@@reflexraceproductions7168 thats why it sounds like its revving to the moon. Man i miss circle track here on oahu,hawaii they took our track away more than 20yrs ago now sucks. But aloha and mahalo for the vids brings back memories 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽

[@rumplestiltskin509]

Something makes me think Brad will seek retribution.

[@moonshinewarrior]

Did anybody giving him a beating?

[@jamespinckard4210]

Hooking on the right rear can cause some ugly things. That driver should have been parked for the rest of that race and for the upcoming 3 events. If some accountability isn't handed out drivers are going to be hurt.

[@davidvanbrunt4233]

You know how to race him next time.....boom !!!

[@RebeLeigh]

Ive never really seen that much wingless racing. Do they flip as easily as sprintcars do? I was a stock car driver for 11 years. I got offered a full ride and to go to australia in a sprint car. I appreciated the offer but im crazy,just not that crazy!

[@reflexraceproductions7168]

Yes, without the wing there is less downforce, therefore making the car slightly more susceptible to flipping.

[@RebeLeigh]

@@reflexraceproductions7168 sure fun to watch!

[@danielklopp7007]

@@reflexraceproductions7168 Actually, winged 600 micro-sprints (600cc micro-sprints are the type of cars racing in this video) are MORE likely to flip (since the speeds are higher, and when they get into the fence or another car's wheels, there is more momentum). BTW, years ago, I raced micro-sprints at this very track (while I was in college, earning a physics degree), so I speak with some knowledge and authority.

[@reflexraceproductions7168]

Thanks for the lesson!

[@A.K.A._____John__]

Kenseth wrecks Logano at Martinsville. It would be in my playbook.

[@Papi-yu9kl]

Poor dude was rippin then 2nd place dicked him hard

[@donniemorrell-lq4lu]

At my home track they would dq us for rough driving

[@bulgingbattery2050]

EXTREME MOTORSPORT

[@rodneyproductions5044]

He made it obvious enough

[@johnnycrash3270]

All's Fair in Love & Hand Grenade's

[@joshuamorrow3794]

Looks like #5 needs to learn how to race clean. I mean shit he ran him over earlier in the race. I thought he was gonna spin out or hit the wall then. Pay backs a bitc#. Definitely gonna have a few choice words when we get to the trailer.

[@user-ci6by1ky6e]

This dirty driving no acception to the rule, in our western New York if this would happen he would have been penalized 3 races and if it happens 2 more times he would be black balled by the other driver, s thanks for this video

[@rogerkummerer775]

I think the #5 car needs a "talking" to! Beat on you earlier in the race as well!

[@northstarracing18d-4d]

Yeah that was about as dirty and blatant as it gets. Personally think since it ended one cars might the no. 5 should’ve been parked

[@billlugaila]

There is no honor in racing anymore!

[@yes7905]

I’m not saying this was okay because it wasn’t. But there has never been “honor” in stock car or dirt racing. It all started from Bootleggers which was breaking the law. So it all started as Unhonorable technically

[@justsmitty1709]

Ya probably a dick move. Question though.... Why did the driver decide to go up top? Looked good on the bottom. Went to the top. longer way around and kept on getting on the rev limiter. Did the bottom go away?

[@reflexraceproductions7168]

My guess is that when the yellow came out while he was running the bottom, the 2nd place car showed him the front of his car. So he probably went to the top to try to defend the faster line?

[@augieschultz2530]

Sometimes you close on the guy in front of you so fast you tap them. Not intentional but you still hit the guy and nobody believes you when you say it wasn’t intentional.

[@robertaue9509]

Yup that was a Denny Hamlin chicken shit move!!! The driver with the video had it in the bag. Good driving smooth good handling car.

[@batobermudez4117]

It’s called motor sports, this is part of it

[@d.l.d.l.8140]

Did Bradley’s engine sputter while the guy was humping his bumper? Not that it’s an excuse. And I suppose you could fashion an argument against it, but when it’s the race leader you have to make a clean move. Of course he’ll retaliate, he has to.

[@terrygarvin1392]

There is undoubtedly some great talent out there,but calling that racing don't make it right boy.

[@mosquitofleetfishing6599]

This is a field of more money than talent. Shouldn’t still have to turn when coming out of the turn. Throttle should drive the car through the turn and come out square with the strait-away once the car is set into the turn.

[@erniecapell9917]

I ran go karts and that woyldhave been a black flag for the other driver

[@genreaper]

Yep that was pretty lame. Nice driving tho. Chin up and keep on driving.

[@jasonlamb6706]

Never heard the saying,rubbing is racing. Seems a spotter told you someones coming and you threw a block out by changing your run to match theres and he ran it better. Be happy it wasnt worse.

[@reflexraceproductions7168]

There is no spotters, no 2 way radios. It is just the drivers making their own decisions based off of what they think is happening.

[@thequaker1512]

do people not realize the car costs more than the winnings? why do they just wreck people shit or use other cars to turn to win. i would understand if this was a HUGE payday but i mean it was probably a small difference in pay to just finish 2nd here... i get pride of winning and thats the point of racing but lmao just because it has a bumper doesnt mean ya gotta use it

[@graemenugent8607]

Befor the end of the vid the no 5 stoodout as a bit of an arsole at the end he ran true to form! You know how to race next time

[@bradleyzoleske7556]

The spin wasn’t justified for the simple fact that he got directly behind you and pushed. That’s why you cut to the right and not the left. If he was trying to spin you he would’ve cut you to the left but because he cut you to the right he was trying to hurt you.

[@harleylif1929]

BS move. He should have been parked for the night. So if he gets dumped in the next race it is all even.

[@phillipsprague3275]

I know what I’d have done but I guess they frown on removing drivers teeth with your fist now a days!! If you intentionally wreck someone your night should be done!

[@deangelojeremitriusvickers6319]

Considering the guy has a concussion I’m not sure he needs to be throwing licks after the race but that’s just me🤷🏻‍♂️

[@phillipsprague3275]

@@deangelojeremitriusvickers6319 unless you’re unconscious the adrenaline kick keeps you fired up for an hour or so, plenty of time to beat someone’s ass!

[@deangelojeremitriusvickers6319]

@@phillipsprague3275 more like plenty of time to get more (or permanent) brain damage🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@phillipsprague3275]

@@deangelojeremitriusvickers6319 you’ve right all contact sports should be banned! 🙄 the amount of athletes that have played with partial or full concussions in the last 100 years or sports is incalculable!

[@deangelojeremitriusvickers6319]

@@phillipsprague3275 no it’s just not bright to be wanting to throw hands when you get a head injury, it’s not rocket science😂

[@landonmurray3814]

He couldve lifted, its a new era for midgets, sprints, and late models. Its just slider and close the door. If he makes a mistake he better teleport out of the way because i need to pass right now. Its a bunch of drivers learning to win before learning to drive with respect, and its on the non respect building parents putting their kids in cars that require immense trust with those around you

[@bigpigslapperoinktoo4953]

so,, second place has to lift andf GIVE the win away,, no wonder race'n has gone to the crapper,,,,

[@jasonsimmons6684]

I'd chalk it up as a race incident from what I can see. You started running high when you saw him so close at that caution. You were on the rev limiter for a 1/4 or more of the straight away. I understand blocking, but you also have to understand what happens when you block a faster car. So I'm 50/50 unless I see another angle. No doubt you were turned, but hard to say if it's purposeful or not.

[@thesausage351]

I was going to say it was going to be No5 because he served you up a few laps previously. There’s always a dick in every race. Totally his fault, dick move, and uncalled for. If he can pull that much on you, he can pass you cleanly. I’d say he’s pissed off at you for some reason because he was definitely aggressive toward you.

[@coco45106]

Theres racing and there’s dirty racing. This was dirty racing no doubt. Hes a good driver he knows how to make respectful passes and this was not it. He was being disrespectful the whole race but i guess thats what happens when you just get to jump in a car and race and don’t have to pay to replace it. Hopefully he learned his lesson.

[@Joeseppi636]

If you had the right gearing he may have not caught you.

[@jasonsims2407]

Never raced, never saw it from this perspective..it is alot different than I imagined..I understand the wrecks now..they are no doubt inevitable no matter who is driving or where the race is.

[@jasonscott5043]

Well, honestly, you didn’t come out of the corner well that time and then you backed out midway down the straight. I’m sure 2nd expected you to stay hooked up. Whether that synths car getting loose coming off the corner or driver error on your part who knows but you. It’s hard to navigate behind when that happens.

[@reflexraceproductions7168]

We weren't driving, we just had a camera on the car! There are better clips out there. We just posted what we had.

[@David-uu1oj]

Good points.

[@SGCgleaton]

Wrong

[@bigpigslapperoinktoo4953]

you're race'n,, things happen fast,, your driver ALSO needs to take head,, just because he is in the lead,, don't make it HIS track/race,,, there's other people out there and YOU KNOW how fast you can come up on someone,, that bein said,, the way you want tp call out the fella,, YOU KNOW your driver WILL do the same ot him,,, for no reason OTHER THAN pay back,, so,, you HAVE to deal with fatcs,,,, and f YOUR DRIVER bobbles and gets spun,, suck it upi and go on to the next race,, IT'S RACE'N,, don't you know this,,,, @@reflexraceproductions7168

[@stephenhammond1656]

If 1st, 2nd or 3rd get taken out with less than twenty laps left. Who caused it should be disqualified and the places before the incident should stand as the final results. If you run up the back of someone, it's your fault , I don't care how good of an exit you were having, itscalled car Control.

[@sneezinhatch]

This is very tough sport but rubbing is racing

[@user-xf4ke4jr5b]

The slowest car can rub his way to a win, that is not racing

[@sneezinhatch]

@@user-xf4ke4jr5b well if your in a race fastest or slowest it a race

[@David-uu1oj]

@@sneezinhatch It's a hard call especially on dirt where your constantly up on the wheel. The wall cost$ racers in a sport that gobbles up ones funds just to get there. When your being hit you often forget when you've delivered the hit. The other driver will find this out🤫

[@Corky3D]

@@sneezinhatch That's the problem with the world of racing now. Rubbing is not racing, if you have to be a coward to wreck someone to win, maybe you need to go test more and figure out how to actually out drive someone. Instead of just taking them out, because you wasn't better than them.

[@dantheman5907]

Post the whole thing not just one guys point of view

[@avfc594]

Shit happens it's called racing if you don't like and just want to win quit.

[@jessecons1050]

A concussion from what?! From spinning out? 🙄🌈

[@reflexraceproductions7168]

Hello Jesse, I know we don't show it, but that "spin" put the driver into the wall and junked the rear of the car. Also, we were sent a picture of the car after it was taken apart, and there was frame damage to the front and rear of the car.... Although the crash didn't look "terrible" it tore up a lot of things & definitely could of caused a minor concussion. Thanks !

[@alfonsagelwei5280]

You got dumped

[@ChrisMcIntosh-lj7rf]

No that was not justified

[@buyamerican3191]

It is quite obvious that anyone that gets behind the wheel of a car to go racing feels like they are Dale Earnhardt (not junior) the only real Earnhardt is #3. The rest of these "wannabees" should reevaluate their worth in life. Anyone that intentionally wrecks another driver should be banned from the sport!

[@mitchellcartee2853]

thats racing

[@doverpeck18]

Thats dirty driving

[@jeffguybersen]

Bullsht... thats never ok or justified

[@jayaudette2063]

Justified? No just totally out of control on a really wide track. Totally un-necessary. 5 car ran Brown over twice to get by, let him sit a week out.

[@malibubarbieracing172]

I think this is just PART OF RACING and get TF over yourselves

[@jefflynch9559]

The hit from behind should result in a black flag and out of race,

[@VeChainStacks]

Racing needs hockey rules. Do something dumb. Meet in the middle and take care of it.