SUSPENSION OR NO SUSPENSION EUCs?

[@MrMawashii]

I think it's important to learn on a non suspension EUC, you get into the habit of keeping the knees bent, using your legs as "suspension" (if that makes sense), and planning ahead for bumps on the road, also staying alert and keeping your eyes open.. You have to learn all this the hard way, I remember hitting potholes 3 years ago on my V10f at 35km/h, it really taught me a lesson. After that, suspension is the way 🥷🙏

[@laurv8370]

Fully agree. Some old toys like V8F or V10F are still the best wheels to learn.

[@dnthmn117]

This can help, but unfortunately it adds another financial barrier to an already hard-to-break-into hobby/sport if you don't know someone who already has one. It costs less to get the wheel you'll ultimately want, and stick with trying to learn it.

[@MrMawashii]

@@dnthmn117 I understand the argument, but a smaller wheel will always have a purpose later on, be it a V10f/V8f, KS16 or 14... Your money isn't exactly lost.. Also if I were to learn on a Lynx lets say, which is my wheel now, I would've been absolutely terrified three years ago, and it wouldn't have been a fun experience at all... Some will learn to ride motorcycles on a Hayabusa for example, but for most people this is a terrible idea.

[@BANGbucketHEAD]

16x and torn meniscus for me

[@Hexagonian]

@@MrMawashii Exactly. Having a heavy suspension wheel isn't ideal for short trips, or needing to toss it in a car. Also, if you get a flat and don't have time or parts to fix it, you ride your smaller wheel in the mean time. Having 4-5 wheels gets crazy but 2 wheels can be useful.

[@rcgldr]

Old guy here (72 years old now). Started with a V8F August 2021. Was considering Molicel S18, but some arrive needing work on suspension, and there is more maintenance, so I ended up getting an 18XLV2 (comes with spiked pedals and power pad protrusions on upper pads), in August 2024. I'm just a hobbyist, and only ride about 50 miles 80 km per month, paved bike paths or private streets (no potholes). I also ride my 2001 Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle once a week (I used it to commute to work before I retired). It can do 80 mph | 128 kph in 1st gear, so l have less desire for speed on an EUC, mostly riding at 15 to 19 mph (24 to 30 kph), since I'm riding on bike paths (pedestrians, kids, dogs, squirrels, lizards, ...).

[@brancofreitas13]

14D will make you learn more about riding, pay more attention on the road like bumps, sand, branches and other stuff. And of course, will teach about protection even in a small "slow" wheel, any fall on the street will hurt without protection. At the bare minimum gloves and knee protection.

[@nothoughtsheadempty6220]

I scraped my arm something nasty and bruised my nail pretty much at a standstill. Learning experience for sure

[@That1nutcase]

A big pothole at 25mph on a v11 does the same 😂 couldn't walk right for a week after that crash

[@floyder99]

Love my v10f for agile stuff, groceryshopping, visiting friends etc. For longer rides and when i want that torque i get the patton. Nice with a fat seat on it too. Conclusion, the optimal is to have 2 wheels or more.

[@LaggerSVK]

I have it for 4 years now and I havent found anything more practical for city driving. For sure, I want a suspension in next wheel but it needs to be V10 category wheel.

[@Bodoczky]

@@LaggerSVK yep, and I feel comfortable without motorcycle gear on my V10, I use it a lot for traveling and in the city.

[@ChrisH0Y]

I have 2 suspension EUCs (Master Pro V3, InMotion V11) and 3 Non-Suspension EUCs (InMotion V8s, InMotion V12, Gotway Nikola AR+) I love both versions. In my past and present world of bicycles/pedal unicycles, non-suspension was more standard. When encountering rough terrain, I got off my seat and stood on the pedals, knees bent to act as a natural spring, wore thick-soled shoes, and had just enough tire pressure to absorb the bumps, but not dent your rim/get a flat tire. Non-Suspension EUCs apply the same rules. Suspension EUCs, well, are like suspension bicycles. You get more of the cush, but you have a more complex and heavier ride (of course there are always exceptions). What I also love the Non-Suspension EUCs is their SIMPLICITY - they emphasize what an EUC is - simple design - all you have is a battery, motor, and brain - that's it. When it comes to inspection time, my Nikola is so easy to work on and maintain. Simple and clean.

[@TheDownloader86]

I love my V12HT. If you put on the jump pads and honeycomb pedals you are very well locked in and if yout hit something you just jump with the wheel and drop back on it. I really have no issue regarding this. The wheel is so smooth and so great compromise between power/weight/size/battery. I can ride it aroud the town or do a 80km ride no problem. The most I did was 185km during one weekend (I have 8A charger). I can easily put it in the car, upstairs, light offoad, fast road riding is also not an issue at all. After 7300 km the tire is in very good condition (can do 16 000 km easily). The lack of maintenance is also huge plus in my small apartment. Just Ideal small beast wheel for me. One small correction - tire change on the V14 is actually very easy :).

[@milordas]

does not seem v12 have good place for pads, maybe inmotion specific, wich i barely call "a pads"

[@anthonykyrkos]

Hey, do you mind if I ask for your settings on the v12 HT? I have grizzla flow style pads. Feels mostly okay but I’m getting a bit of wobble around 25-30km/h, and while braking. I’m using 56% pedal hardness, 2 degree forward tilt and pretty sure everything else is default settings. I’m about 2 months into riding, (street and trail) so it might be just under developed muscles.

[@yankochoynev652]

​@@milordasthe smaller version of grizzla flows fits perfectly

[@whatswheelygood]

I've ridden 3000 miles on my sus delete v13 in the last 6 months and I have honestly loved it for my daily commute. I am usually cruising at around 40 mph during my daily commute and anything smaller than a clenched fist barely matters as far as bumps go. This was much more of an issue on my v12 but tire size makes a big difference. I keep thinking about installing the sus lowering kit but I am so in love with the minimal work required with no suspension. I hate checking pressures and stuff like that. I am glad I ran into your video talking about how much nicer the v13 felt with no sus. It made the handling dynamics a lot nicer.

[@Nisse977]

I have not yet tried a suspension wheel, so I still like my 2nd hand Gotway/Begode Tesla V1 with 1020Wh battery and 1900W motor. It is fast (55km/h)and have decent range despite its age. 👍👍👍

[@kutvis]

Thank you for the video! Constant riding shermax & heavy backpack into deep winter (ice) potholes in high speed and high psi to protect rim to take the beating.. tendon out of the game for months and summer season ruined. I recommend suspension for anyone riding a lot.

[@bondo31]

I firmly believe Begode is on the right track with making non-suspension small wheels with plush tubeless tires. If kingsong would use that strategy to widen their 14D/16S line it would make them a lot more enjoyable to ride on less than ideal road conditions, and give a nicer neutral width stance- their current suspension wheels are way too wide and cumbersome -18XL is very comfortable, just a wider Tire accommodation and a kickstand would make it the perfect wheel for me.

[@CBRoadster]

The used market is crazy right now, I picked up a 600mi hollow motor S18 for $600usd!

[@jamesordwayultralightpilot]

That's about how much the S18 is worth. It had terrible range if it's the same one I'm thinking of

[@ipsilon00]

Well, I can tell that the S18 is still the lightest suspension EUC in the market, 100% reliable and also beautiful. Perfect ratio weight / power

[@0xsergy]

everyone around me wants brand new prices for their banged up eucs, lol. lucky area you live in bud. and i'm next to a giant city so you'd think it would be easy to find deals but not really, can't imagine what the used market is like in remote areas.

[@rubenayla]

​​@@ipsilon00Be careful with strong sudden accelerations since the battery is small. Also there are quite some people with motherboard or battery failures. Other than that it's quite good in terms of reliability

[@Arnelonfire]

Started with a v12 and now have a lynx. Did offroad on v12 no problem except when muddy. Its a pita to clean. Lynx is awesome for technical trails with lots of rocks and roots. ..sometimes too easy. I love the road feel of the v12 and i like the comfort of the lynx.

[@BigORider]

Same here. V12ht to Lynx. More trails than street. Had no issues with the v12 and it handled any trails I threw at it. Only concern was soft sandy areas which both require being aware of

[@Roskellan]

Suspension/ Non suspension - suspension of course, but always a price:- cost, weight, complexity, maintenance, range, high foot plates. So which? I have both 🙂 Non suspension - out of date perhaps, but my NineBot OneE+ is still going strong, and what is that 2014 and IP rated to boot. Up and down sides, the Ninebot is agile un intimidating, light, I don't put my Master in the car for example. The S18 for example would go in the car but the range is down to 26 miles (still a lot right), and is the only EUC I ride off road (well the master a bit perhaps but its too big and too heavy). Range well my 16X has range, will go in the car, and is fine on the road if you are paying attention, bags of torque for the hills as well.

[@necavenue]

I learned on a Segway/Ninebot One A1 IP54 rated, magnesium chassis, single modular battery user upgradeable to 2 to double range, Smart BMS, fully featured phone app, 23 lbs. I use it all the time because it's portable (small/light) could even fit in a backpack.

[@jamesbird9588]

I was able to learn backward riding thanks to the kingsong 14D. Great little wheel I currently ride a v1 Sherman, I shred the streets, I shred off road. I am the suspension

[@laurv8370]

I have few wheels, including a Master Pro and trust me that who was riding one will not want to ride other wheel, but I still love my RS and my V8F.

[@arevee9429]

The RS rules! I have fancier and newer wheels, but I still love the RS.

[@laurv8370]

@@arevee9429 True. I wish I could have the time to edit and post the mods I did for my RS (including smart active balancers).

[@nothoughtsheadempty6220]

I prefer more toy-grade (small) EUCs since they keep me grounded and aware of my mortality. I fear my confidence will be my undoing with a faster suspension wheel . Also, they’re less intimidating to the average person and a bit more discrete, and a someone who hates attention that is a blessing

[@milordas]

learning on heavy and tall euc is some kind of challenge, for learning there is smaller lighter wheels, for regular wheels suspension must have on bad pavements

[@brianmccann666]

I've only rode non suspension EUCs so far. Sherman Veteran. I loved it. Inmotion V12. I loved it. And a small beginner EUC. I didn't like it. But it was ok to learn balance on I guess. I hate doing maintenance on things. I want Range on any EV I use though. Because everything is spread out far in Florida. Seems I need 50+mile range at least. Or carry a Roger Charger for fast charging. Now I haven't bought myself an EUC yet ... Yet. I'm looking for a Long Range EUC of course. Road riding. I rather walk offroad nature trails than ride them. So I can walk/push a EUC if I need to to keep Rangers off my back. I do have a Long Range EbIke already. It gets up to 200+ miles. I love it. But I still want a EUC because they are smaller and easier to maneuver around stuff. I like tires to be firm, fully inflated. Kinda wish someone made solid rubber tires for EUCs like they do for escooters now... Again for less maintenance purposes.

[@semperfi4309]

Very informative video 🙏 Adam! As a beginner, 1 month now, I chose a V10F . I've a hard time with different surface of the road and curbs and potholes sometimes they send me to the moon and back on my ass 😂 hard landind!! ; lessons of humility and how to fall . Incidentally that could be a very useful video : how to keep physically in shape for the wheel, work on balance, the way to fall and how to avoid accidents (mirror, safety advices , équipements you already did). All the best ✌️

[@btblou]

I've been riding a KS 16s for 10 months, just over 800km. It's been great to learn on & perfect for use in a congested city where parking is impossible. I am looking to upgrade to suspension, due to all the pot holes and speed humps in my area. Due to the congested footpaths and roads, speed is not a big factor & I like a wheel that is easy to lift... so I am leaning towards KS S18 or Begode Falcon. Looking forward to your Falcon review :)

[@kolesnyk_euc]

I bet v14 tire change is easier, you can even take the tire off/on with bare hands because of a deep rim😊 360° learning is also easier on a small wheel🛞

[@mr_wrongway]

I’ll try and see how it goes! Usually those heavy shells and motors are a bit straining though

[@JoshuaMothis]

5000 miles in 5.5 months on my Nikola plus 1845wh. Lovin it and want to upgrade to something big soon. Used master pro is my goal, and keep my Nikola as the backup/grocery wheel.

[@vinnyqm]

Nikolas a hell of a grocery wheel 😅

[@JoshuaMothis]

@@vinnyqm haha maybe

[@segundacuenta726]

Mten4 for being able to fit in a backpack and short distances, city, etc. Suspension wheel for offroad and longer distances. V14 perhaps? I don't own any, but those 2 would be awesome to have.

[@lewinwild]

I got a non-suspension EUC second hand because it was the most reliable & versatile EUC I could afford: a 16x. I like that I can take it into stores & that the light weight easy to control. I don’t like what it does to my knees, and having to ride at full attention like O _ O

[@cash2.0]

V8S for lightweight portability and Lynx for aggressive riding. Those are my rides

[@electricguy109]

First, let's talk about the video format... I miss so much the intro (wrrrrooonnnggg way 🎶)... for the rest, a little bit too static (sorry). About the content : I learned a year ago riding an EUC on a 14D and it is still in my stallion BUT my newly acquired 16S is about to replace it. It is simply more powerful (800W VS 1200W), slightly bigger (16kg, ++ for the trolley) and more battery (420Wh VS 840Wh). It does help you to develop the competency of always looking the ground for cracks/holes/bumps/rocks. I mainly use this wheel for errands as it is more discreet and practical. I'm even looking to get an 18XL... My InMotion V11, although not the highest powerful and playful wheel, is like riding on a cloud. It's crazy how a suspension wheel absorbs ground imperfections. Long rides/commutes are so comfortable. But it has an impact... weight/footprint, price and complexity. I think having both (non-suspension and suspension wheels) is a must-have.

[@breezeman120]

"more comfortable than a scooter" Tell that to my knees after 2500 miles with no suspension.

[@jamesordwayultralightpilot]

Yeah I think I've got about 3000 or 3500 on my exn and I'm not sure if my knees were getting stronger or getting demolished everytime I rode. I don't ride much these days. LoL scared to start up again.

[@sazzowl_gaming8203]

Weight is a big factor imo. The falcon showed us that 25kg is the least weight you should expect what isn't that light tbh

[@saltlife316]

love the no suspension more when i do flat concrete rides around neiborhoods etc, and suspension for anything else

[@tbs000gaming4]

When's the v14 Review coming out? so badly want to buy one but need to see your review first!

[@kristianlangager996]

Funny thing is, yesterday I ordered a Kingsong S16 because I wanted to try out something new, compared to the Begode Nikola Plus I've been riding for the past 2½ years. Guess I'll be able to compare the two now. (Yes, I used your code, thank you.)

[@mr_wrongway]

Cheers! Congrats on your purchase and awesome that you used my code! Good luck on your suspension full journey!

[@JoshuaMothis]

I currently have a Nikola plus and am curious if your thoughts of the s16 when ya get it

[@kristianlangager996]

@@JoshuaMothis I'll try my best to remember. With any luck I'll have it in time for the weekend.

[@vinnyqm]

I'm surprised you didn't go with the falcon, being that it's also 100v so you can use the Nikolas charger with it too!

[@kristianlangager996]

@@vinnyqm Honestly, it was simply because they had the S16 in stock. Also, I am on the heavier side for riders, coming in at about 95 kgs, so the increased wattage of the battery seemed right for me. On top of that, I wanted to try a different manufacturer.

[@hbeatz]

I have both , s22 and v8f , I LOVE my v8f , anything I need to do in the neighbourhood ? v8f , trails , jump and fun s22

[@Cosasdepatinetes]

I had two small ones and I want to make the step up to a bigger one with suspension... I have my doubts, but the streets of my city... are dangerous, speed bumps, potholes, change of asphalt, cobblestones... I think so. I will be grateful although I will lose that light mobility...

[@mikko.g]

Suspension all day, the roads of my city are a shambles and I got a low speed cut out from overpowering a non-suspension wheel through a particularly deep pothole. Can barely feel the cracks and potholes with suspension.

[@gordmarshall5830]

Great comparison Adam. Thanks 6 pac Gord

[@kilobak2297]

Falcon and MTEN just got smart BMS or you've changed your mind? It's good to have you reviewing these small, cool, easy to learn and fun to ride EUCs for growing the community ✌.

[@alexandresauve-boisvert3798]

I start this year with a v12ht. 2000km later i switch to the master ❤

[@arevee9429]

You don't look like you today, Mr. Wrongway. I saw the thumbnail and thought "Who's that kid?". I like the weight savings of no suspension, but I'm not going on my trails or riding the pothole-laden roads at night without it.

[@Lowlandeuc]

Non suspension, RS for #eucpolo and COMMaster without suspension for high speed races ( on track without cracks )

[@monarch8188]

If it's your first EUC - only non-susp

[@jurijstorozuk6170]

1st, 2nd etc - only suspension. Unless you use it for a beer run 3km away from your house.

[@LogicalMayhem00]

Euc = autistic motability ❤️💛

[@Lucaslfm1]

Please I we need your review of the new Mten5. A nice refreshment for the small EUC department

[@mr_wrongway]

Will do

[@matrxreal]

I live on the 5th floor, no elevator. I have a V8S (17 kg), it is a very enjoyable and suitable wheel for city living. Just wondering if it is possible to pull up the havy suspention wheel up to my floor every day?

[@ryancummings4250]

I have a commander mini (88lbs or so). Nearly threw my back out taking it up stairs by the handles, but now I have a strap I can throw over my shoulder that makes it much easier. Still definitely a workout but I am much less worried about injuring myself. So I think it is doable. 70lbs or less would be much better.

[@daltonscott4837]

Is the v14 long-term review coming soon? I can't decide between the lynx or v14

[@mr_wrongway]

Sometime soon. I need to finish Lynx review first :)

[@NCW01]

I want an updated 14D with slightly bigger battery and a smart bms.

[@mr_wrongway]

Me too

[@JonahOnEUC]

Both the T4 and the Falcon is below 2000€ also... So you WILL find new suspension EUCs below 2000€. Oh, and V11.

[@mr_wrongway]

They're not on One rides site, I might have been a bit more precise with this statement. It's no secret though that suspension wheels are just more expensive

[@JonahOnEUC]

@@mr_wrongway well OneRide is very expensive. Even when using a code, their prices are higher than other places.

[@jurijstorozuk6170]

What happened to the sherman s after all the jumping? Did it survive/anything broke?

[@mr_wrongway]

I had a loaner Sherman S for jumping :) you can check my Sherman S history in the video I made on It :) last Sherman s video

[@mattchriss645]

I still haven't got my first EUC But i think i will go strait to a sus Wheel, why?..fast learner, (roller skater for years ).my excuse😊 It's a Wheel after all. 😅

[@mr_wrongway]

You can do it!

[@patrickmckowen2999]

Good comparison👍

[@mr_wrongway]

Thanks Patrick!

[@P1otrB]

Shameless clickbait with KingSong F22 :D

[@mr_wrongway]

I’m sorry 🙈

[@wreryn6625]

Been loving learning on the 16s, but after maybe 600kms, the knees are thinking real hard about suspension. Also, what helmet is that?!?

[@mr_wrongway]

Maybe it’s worth to transition! That’s a Bell Super DH!

[@arevee9429]

I road one off-road ride on my Sherman Max without suspension and my knees were sore for a week, but on suspended wheels, the knees are fine.

[@tadeuszzielinski8798]

PORQUE NO LOS DOS?

[@Berman163]

Porque el dinero mi buen amigo es limitado

[@tadeuszzielinski8798]

@@Berman163 laughs in 16x patton and no money for food xD

[@segundacuenta726]

@@Berman163 Some rich users out there with many wheels. Then lots of poor with no wheel at all. That's life

[@iqmark2761]

Hey! In the weird places video you mentioned Warsaw group rides, I'm currently visiting warshaw, Is there a telegram group where can i find more info about the ride? 😊

[@mr_wrongway]

Hey there! We have a group ride tomorrow at 19:00 under the Łazienkowski bridge. Hit us up there :)

[@iqmark2761]

@@mr_wrongway noones here 😓

[@ДмитрийШпаков-о3н]

Kingsong F22 on preview was a CLICKBAIT!!!

[@mr_wrongway]

YES!

[@SkylerLinux]

To suspend or not suspend your EUC heheheh

[@karapeters9433]

SUSPENSION IS LIFEEEE FOR ANYONE THAT SAYS OTHERWISE.... THEY'RE LYING❤🎉

[@karapeters9433]

Game changer that's for sure

[@misubisu]

I have the S16 Pro... bought it about 3 months ago as an upgrade for my V5F that I got to learn on. The S16 is way more comfortable to ride than the V5F and it feels a lot safer. The foot plates on the S16 aren't too grippy, so I modified them.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaCzoaSseNR3m8U

[@agustinustedjo4490]

Come On .... Suspension or no sespension...again?! How about EUC which can do vertical take off ? 🤣🤣 LOL just kidding....sorry

[@tadeuszzielinski8798]

Slowem sie nawet nie zajaknales o 16x. No przeciez udusze wlasnymi rekami...

[@mr_wrongway]

Miałem moment ale skasowałem 🙈 my mistake!

[@StarForgers]

Early gang come on out! First comment claimed!

[@mr_wrongway]

Yayyy let’s go!

[@griffin.greene]

Let's go 🗣️🔥🔥

[@berataltinbas9904]

Süspansiyon

[@Iliusblacck]

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