WSOP 24' WRAP-UP, Solver Spectacle, POY/Fantasy - DAT Poker Pod Ep

[@SpookyK7697]

Daniel, you have inspired me beyond anything i can convey, Being a 45 yr old female, I entered my first tournament in Tulsa, OK last month. I was able to overcome a fear of the unknown because you effortlessly demystified entering a tournament. As a diagnosed adhd autistic my current hyper focus on studying and learning the game has brought with it a welcomed reason to live. I actually have a fire within me I haven't felt in over 15 years. Now, on topic. If I wanted to play against AI. I would. I don't want to play poker with AI. I desire to play poker with human beings being present in this moment... Again, thank you... thank you for sharing yourself with the World. You really are doing great things beyond poker... 🎉🎉🎉

[@TheAloha29]

Jonathan Tafraudo

[@jtruslow28]

I second this! I love what Daniel is doing for poker, but more importantly I love how he's able to relate and humanize all of it. I've loved poker for many years recreationally, and now I'm really considering giving it a serious run. My girlfriend, who was never much of a games person, is hooked on poker thanks mostly to Daniel.

[@katiemarshall7531]

42f, AuDHD as well. Picked the game up 10 years ago with a $25 home game league, have cashed for 50k this year so far. You'll be an AMAZING tournament player if you stick with it. Glgl!

[@markk9794]

The game of poker broke out when every amateur saw an amateur -- Moneymaker -- win the main event. It was like watching some weekend golfer win the Masters. The final, heads-up play this year was the exact opposite -- it showed the amateurs that they shouldn't show up because they'll get gang raped by the degen regs working as a pack in a one-hand, one player game, in their lust for a win.

[@Joseph55220]

It doesn't help their case when the commentators on the official WSOP broadcast are referencing the blended metrics from their sponsored solver to describe the player's accumulation strategies over the simulated par-performance. When they are bringing on guest-commentators to do segments explaining to that Griff is under-popping mid-range hands when he's out of position and left of an action-driver stack - I think most people that got sucked-in by the Moneymaker boom are getting turned-off by the idea that you need a codebook and a $5,000 computer with the most advanced AI simulator to have any idea what the commentators are saying. And when the commercials the WSOP are interrupting the broadcast with are selling people the product that they are saying is cheating to use - it creates a lot of confusion with the first-time viewer.

[@AuburnBlue]

Happy Birthday Daniel! Thank you for all you give back to your fans! Here's to another 50 years! 🍺

[@bigbadbruins1]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MY FRIEND. 50 YEARS YOUNG.

[@sfowned]

Totally agree with the conversation about the need for improvement in the wsop's primetime coverage. I could listen to Schulman all day. FWIW, I'm pretty sure Dnegs meant Johnny Miller when was talking about a golf broadcaster that didn't pull punches on anyone (including Tiger in his prime).

[@virgilhuston8328]

I just do not understand how many people want to cut Tomayo slack. This is a tarnished win, it is simple. Rec here. As an aside, my least favorite player in the final couple of tables was Tomayo and that was way before I saw laptops on the rail. No personality at all. Sorry. And no one seems to want to criticize WSOP for not doing anything about it during play and after. I am for no devices on the table,, it is an easy rule to implement. Put them in a bag like at shows.

[@mrhumble2937]

Well Daniel works with them a lot he won't rip them but a lot are.

[@FkF444]

Love wat daniel negreanu does. Wsop is a plus with him always

[@RyanDepauloDegenerateGambler]

Good for Daniel saying the quiet part out loud that Lon and norm suck. We all agree. They great recorded AWFUL live

[@CynicalCracker1]

shouldnt you be studying or grinding 5/10 or something to get that make up paid Depunto? 🤔

[@dunglifemovement]

Joey the mush once said, you gotta win your all-ins

[@CynicalCracker1]

@@dunglifemovement Hi Tim!! 🙋‍♂

[@dunglifemovement]

@@CynicalCracker1 whats good fam

[@jtruslow28]

I'm not gonna go as far as saying Norm and Lon suck. I give them some credit for getting me really interested in poker 21 years ago when Moneymaker took down the main event. I do agree that they don't provide any real insight into what's a good play versus a bad play. Sometimes their completely oblivious takes are comical though 😂

[@trey703]

Happy Birthday Daniel! One of my favorite Poker Players. About to grind out some tourneys and cash games and listen to this!

[@HCN528]

Finally a new layout! Looks great

[@frankieb_nyc]

HBD Daniel I can’t wait for wsop Paradise vlogs Enjoy

[@KowalNY-BK]

Happy Birthday DNegs!

[@johngodbout7341]

In tennis you can't even talk to your coach during the match. The rules say no solvers, so if you use a solver you CAN be disqualified? It should say, you WILL be disqualified.

[@ВладимирПоботин-в5с]

You can talk.

[@morrist8727]

yeah, like when it was ridiculous when people could call a lifeline on that old show who wants to be a millionaire

[@Joseph55220]

The lines get super blurry. Everybody (pros and amateurs) are using solvers on their breaks to analyze their play and the play of their opponents. And, unless you are using RTA, you can't memorize anywhere near enough to give you a significant advantage hand to hand, even if you're running back and forth between the table and the rail in between every street. You can just look at general range-ideas pretty much. Actually GTO strats are dependent on every tiny little detail. The precise bet sizing and hand-decision from every player and it's completely contingent on table-seat, hand-position, and the relative stack-sizes of the different players. If the HJ has a 124% the stack of the CO the GTO play might be 180-degrees opposed to if those stacks were flipped. Even if you're using a solver in real-time, you still aren't going to win unless you also catch the cards you need in the spots you need them. Everybody that wins these tournaments, no matter how much assistance they got, still needed to hit that flush in the shove vs So-and-so and dodge the straight against Billy-whoever on Day 1 to get to the final table. You run the sims on how things would have played out if one hand rivered differently and the butterfly-effect kicks in. Suddenly, it's not just the guy that didn't win the hand in your new sim that doesn't make the final-8... it's an entirely new group of 8 players at the end - because that one change to that one hand has an exponentially promulgating effect on the stack-sizes and subsequent strategies of everyone in the entire tournament. The point is: even using the computer doesn't mean you make the right play. Calling is never the right play if you are going to get out-drawn. Obviously, you don't know that, but the solvers prove that having good luck is much more important than having optimal strategy. So, it becomes a question of: do the organizers really want to fund a whole team of people to scan people for devices when they come into the venue and completely crack-down on the use of electronics all together? Can you even allow people to know who is going to be at their table before the round? Do you have to re-draw seating every 12 hands? I don't think Poker can survive as the industry it has become if all of a sudden the only way to fairly enforce anti-solver rules is to completely prohibit electronic devices by anyone anywhere on the floor. Even then, does it become like chess has been for the last 20 years - where they have to put proctors in the bathrooms to watch the players pee to make sure nobody is cheating at the urinal under the guise of a nature-call?

[@Joseph55220]

It's interesting because the luck of catching-cards isn't even as important as the luck of catching good tables and good seating position. You play enough hands over the course of the tournament that the luck-of-the-draw tends to balance out a little (it's still incredibly important to catch the cards you need in the big pots, obviously)... but everyone has always understood that winning tournaments is contingent on winning the hands that get dealt. What we have only recently developed a real appreciation for is the idea that: some players have huge advantages over others in the field just based on which tables they get landed at and what their seat-position at those tables is. And it isn't even about the skill of those players necessarily, more often, it's about the stack-sizes of those players at the time you are getting dealt certain cards - because that dramatically changes whether you can convert luck into chips

[@Joseph55220]

Final results is modelled best by something like: 15% luck of the cards, 25% luck of the timing of your big hands, 20% luck of your table draws, 25% luck of your seating-positions, and 15% strategy.

[@johnhammersmith8487]

Maria Ho had great insightful commentary for the Main Event. I miss Antonio Esfandiari's commentary ... one of the best. Happy Birthday Daniel and thanks for taking us on your WSOP Journey thru your daily vlogs!

[@pokermonfacegaming]

Daniel is right, the commentary was pretty bad during very important hands. Like he said, they talked about all kinds of random stuff.

[@jaddgreen3444]

Eating breakfast ready for the grind Happy Birthday Dnegs Coming live from Miami 🎉🎉

[@aikon7651]

Happy birthday young man, all good wishes are sent from Norway 🥳

[@707ridah]

Happy birthday 🎂 Brotha, wish Amanda, Apollo, Ricky and yourself the best in life

[@benitodee3274]

Happy birthday Mr. Negreanu. I have a copy of your Xbox video game Stacked. Do you have a PO box I can send that to and have you autograph it for me please?

[@MarlinPoker]

Damn, Adam is rocking the Morris Blackman specs, lol. Keep up the great work Y’all

[@seanm1462]

Lon and Norm are legends. They belong in the HOF

[@Marcus-yg2ws]

True and I come from that era, but we want poker analysts now and no more jokes..

[@kimeriksson7445]

​@@Marcus-yg2ws Ali Nejad is the greatest - so it's not about jokes per say

[@brianinAZ]

Happy Birthday old friend. Miss the old days grinding it out with you and others everyday in the poker rooms

[@mfich]

Happy Birthday, DNegs ! 🇨🇦

[@scotlee1019]

Happy birthday Daniel!!🎉 I'll be joining the BIG 50 club in 3 years ✌️

[@helenrachel1520]

Happy Birthday Daniel ty for all your poker vlogs

[@ScotReeder]

Happy Birthday Daniel. Same day as my youngest son.

[@hjburke]

I agree more bleznick. Hes brutally honest and so engaged in the play.

[@FractionalMateo]

YO YO YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TEAM D NEGS! BEFORE you watch this - try to keep in perspective that Daniel's yearly wrapup from December had him DOWN 2.X million. In that video he talked about making findamental mindset changes that were needed. This year's WSOP we saw DRAMATICALLY POSITIVE shifts in both strategic and tactical thinking. 50 years old means Daniel can be TRUE to himself, honor his proven past, while being self reflective and pushing through evolutionary changes. Nothing in this Universe is perfect. Nothing and nobody stays the same. Change is good.

[@jett0237]

I really love your new attitude Dneg

[@tommyfu9271]

they cheated on the biggest stage possible. all 3 should be permanently banned from WSOP. Imagine how much they're cheating online.

[@tylerminear7949]

Happy birthday senior poker!

[@kimeriksson7445]

I think Terrence is dead wrong implying people aren't as interested in comedy and stuff unrelated to poker theory. Ali Nejad is carrying so much of the coverage by himself

[@kimeriksson7445]

I do agree Norm isn't good for this commentary...

[@FloydGreen-sy2jr]

That’s crazy been no smoking in pubs, clubs casinos, public buildings for over 15 years in Australia

[@David-vb6tu]

Happy birthday Daniel!

[@evahughes5391]

The problem starts in all the poker rooms. No electronics rule is not enforced anywhere. It’s rampant and seemingly unstoppable. If poker is considered a sport, stricter and enforc able rules should be adhered to.

[@Kelgee3]

at the very least, at the final table of the main event lol.

[@joshuapatrick682]

They waited til Astedt and his crew left then the laptop hit the rail.. just sayin…

[@SpookyK7697]

Snap 🎉 you are absolutely correct in this observation...

[@jtruslow28]

Yeah I noticed that too

[@jacobywood]

Lon and Norm are very entertaining and great when they are talking over the excitement of the event. But they are not the play by play type of broadcasters. That is why in football you have play by play and color commentator. play by play has the knowledge of the players, the game the moves etc... and the color has to have great stories for the people that dont want it to be technical it needs to be a mix of both depending if live or overlay commentator. different types of shows. It is like Tony Romo he understands the game, the plays, the players, and can also add stories has the ability to do both. Love your guys takes on it. BTW happy birthday DNegs.

[@cameron11888]

Which tournament did Bleznik commentate please?

[@Wukles]

The 50k Daniel won.

[@W84IT]

The "EXPENSIVE" resort is advertising hugely discounted poker packages for the tournament schedule. $1500 - $2500 is a great price.

[@nikto1851]

С днем рождения Даниель, ты лучший!!!

[@dharryg]

Kristen Foxen? I too was cheering for her. She was mentally and physically exhausted. She pushed without thinking. No other excuses.

[@lonibeck2293]

Perfectly stated about Kristen not sure I could last that long in my 6o s she was tired

[@thesorrow88]

That's the only explanation. It was a move so bad it could only come from an amateur or bad reg like Negreanu

[@michaeltruitt7660]

Johnny Miller was the golfer.

[@hylen26]

Lon and Norm forever!! Love them. 💖💖

[@jenniferpetrauskas7648]

Happy Birthday Daniel. No coaching, solvers or computers in the tournament area. You play and win your own merit skill.

[@henriksenlaw]

The Asian guy is on the wrong side of the tech assistance-coaching during the play of the tourney is wrong. Maybe Magnus can just go between moves and consult his team and computer for some strategy.

[@Qi_Shova]

Do the winners tip the dealers in the main event?

[@bmo14lax]

Stapleton and Hartigan are the 2 best for me, wish they did the WSOP. Good for Tamayo skating the flimsy rule book and rail policy. Fantastic win for him. And he's going to get poker rules rewritten, That's the kind of win that actually matters lol.

[@robertw8897]

With regard to the final table solver deal. Create a barrier between the rail and the players. Players should not be able to run over and get coaching, look at solvers, hold hands or whatever while they are playing at a final table. They need to step away from the table (meaning that they are dealt out of a hand or hands), or wait until break time. Do what you want on breaks (away from the table).

[@robert2375]

why would any coaching be allowed at the final table... just cuz it happened in the past, doesn't mean it should happen in the future.... One player per hand... no coaching allowed IMO.

[@robert2375]

take the situation of online... if a player is playing while a coach is helping/coaching them (in real time or between hands), this isn't acceptable behaviour... it should not be allowed in live poker either.

[@chrisg2214]

Happy birthday!

[@frederickdaroza4963]

Terrance is right. Griff was 3 betting a huge amount of hands. He even bluffed with Q 4 off without any draws. Suggesting Astedt's last hand was a punt is a bit Monday morning quarterbacking considering Griff played extremely aggressive. Daniel was in the similar position against Smiljkovic facing a big bet with A K against what he acknowledged was a set or a draw with potentially 15 outs and he went all in. The only difference is Daniel hit the inside straight.

[@lonibeck2293]

Agree lon and norm are comedy acts nick and ali great commentary with some humor after hand

[@Psideways02]

Happy born day!

[@robin2thek]

Can you guys start to send this to Daniels editor he uses during his wsop blog. So we can se the graphics of hands you guys are talking about. Thanks.

[@frankieb_nyc]

Good stuff guys

[@tylivingthedream]

They need to bring the night shift to prime time, the other crew were not even excited about the action or paying attention to hands

[@tonyflow6244]

Very slight misread by Adam, Lena was super happy calling off Kim, got a courtesy count then snapped.

[@evahughes5391]

La múlti ani, Dániel!

[@phtizen4]

WSOP great brand, lot of effort into the Vegas and the Bahamas stop. I wish they were push more the European one too. How many players know there will be in Rozvadov soon? Maybe Kings is not the right place to have a more prestigious WSOP in Europe. All he other tours in Europe are booming, I hope that will the case for WSOPE in the future.

[@ericstanley5512]

I think it’s a contradiction if you say it’s cheating and give Jack a break. No Daniel it wasn’t just a phone it was a laptop. Someone should have caught that.

[@robmacqueen8588]

Did you guys see the clip with them getting rid of his ear piece. Really looks like they knew they were doing something wrong.

[@kworld429]

How about this? NO cell phones, earbuds, wires, ipods, pagers, iPads, NO PHONES NO PHONES, not even in your pockets. NOTHING. Just play poker. If you don't like it, don't play.

[@thesorrow88]

Daniel, you have inspired me for years. To watch a losing poker player / professional grifter beguile his folllwers for years has shown me that I too can become famous despite not having any notable skill. Have just watched High Stakes Poker season 2. To realise that you were a losing player at that table of idiots is a great reminder that you have never been a good player.

[@300baud]

I love Lon McEachern and Norman Chad. Sure, throw in a pro for expert analysis, but hearing Norm talk about his ex-wives or players getting bamboozled is great!

[@DatAceTho]

1:30:00 wow I love this idea

[@kfeldinAZ]

I think they need to make hard rules around it in writing, and then deal with enforcement as you move forward. If there are at least rules in writing that are made available to the participants, then when someone is caught, you can enforce the rule.

[@tommyfu9271]

wsop needs clearer rules but what they did was clearly cheating and and also broke Nevada gaming law.

[@warpeace8891]

Minimal edge or big edge is not relevant. Little bit of cheating v big bit of cheating is the same result. +4 million to the cheater. Same in any sport....Ball was a little bit over the line v big bit over the line is still over the line. The margin is irrelevant. Poker MUST have clear definition of rules to allow a fair playing field. Having grey ares or "possibility" is worse than not having a rule at all. This main event result MUST not be allowed to stand. It is against the law.

[@brianinAZ]

Many casinos in Arizona have banned smoking and they have outdoor patio areas to smoke. Hasn't slowed their business at all. Vegas can do the same thing and it won't effect anything. They are all just waiting for the verdict of that Atlantic City lawsuit that's getting sued by a former employee who got lung cancer and has never smoked in his life. Worked there for 35 years. The courts have agreed to hear the case. If the casino loses you will see every casino ban it the next day. Just a matter of time

[@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr]

A lot of people who never smoked get lung cancer, it's not an uncommon thing.

[@brianinAZ]

According to the suit they are the 5th or 6th non smoker that worked there that got lung cancer in the last 10 years​@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr

[@fkscopes]

​​@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkErof course but thats not the point, if they lose a big lawsuit and bunch of money now they will care because their money is at risk

[@tylivingthedream]

The Kristen Foxen spot was not close at all for second pair

[@easy.peasey]

HBD!!

[@888visuals]

I came up with a new title for the event. The WSSOP "The World Solver Series of Poker" Main Event. And if I ever seen Tomayo in person...I'd shout out...OH! There's that SOLVER GUY! And my take. Use solvers to increase your knowledge. Knowledge is power...and SKILL. Don't bring computers to the game. Otherwise...go play online where nobody can see you with your charts. Keep the human element in the game.

[@henriksenlaw]

“Take the shine off Jonathan”…what shine, that he is maybe a top 500 NLHE tourney player whose variance ran better than others over 10 days.

[@squatchthumper7537]

Y'all left out the video showing McKeenan taking a small electronic device off of the winner when he hugged him at the rails

[@vincentsperrazza5926]

How is Nevada Gaming Commission not at every final table in the first place? Baffles me.

[@dharryg]

I am one of those cynics who pokes fun at those tiny, tiny field, celebrity Tinkerbelle tournaments that get so much media exposure, but the PPC is the one and only exception. Mastering nine games with such long levels raises this tournament to the pinnacle of the poker world. That bracelet alone proves Daniel’s worth…although he might have that straight flush Jack of diamonds tattooed on the end of his nose.

[@dharryg]

If that Jack of diamonds had not popped-up DN was out. No bracelet.

[@andrewhart6200]

I'm a smoker only since I turned 26 and I quit 2x in that time period - people in general can't get out of their own way to even vote the way that benefits themselves the most much less figure out what that is....people are stupid and their intentions are even more selfishly predisposed on top!

[@samuelmehzenta390]

Golf legend was Johnny Miller

[@hardwayjoe8208]

I like the old espn style.

[@marsrecordings]

Yall crazy. I love Lon and Norm.

[@DatAceTho]

15:00 I think Terrance is spot-on here. If poker is on national TV, Norm and Lon are GREAT. If it's on PokerGo, they're terrible for that audience.

[@jenniferpetrauskas7648]

While playing NO PHONES or COMPUTERS while playing. You must get up from the table and leave the room to use your contraption.

[@1983mikechan]

I only tuned in for the night shift. Lon, Norm and Jessie were terrible.

[@lonibeck2293]

In my 60s never played but was going to start some 1000 and lower now this solver stuff huge turnoff when management has no real clue it seems

[@marysismour8791]

My birthday ALSO..Yippee

[@thunderstick73]

jakked effel is on TRT ..but also wit that, lotsa work to get into his shape

[@ogcryptodaniel]

damn Daniel. maybe it's time to move out of the hot AF desert to the Asian Casino scene where the weather is alot nicer...umm specifically Macau.

[@pedrobastos8617]

Happy bday old kidpoker 😂😂😂

[@Scott-wq5lk]

Crossroads! Delicious fully vegan restaurant

[@solanomj1]

Daniel, I like you, but just cause you disagree w Norm & Chad, it doesn’t mean they’ve terrible. They’re great & funny commentators.

[@guerro327]

Get rid of these huge rails, make the players sit at the table when the round is going, no electronics at the table, no solvers, one player per hand. This isn't rocket science.

[@monkeymagic4555]

How did we get onto doggy's doing there business in the house.....Dnegs telling you I was right it's defo early stage Parkinsons rapidly heading towards mid stage :/

[@RonnieStevens420]

😂😂😂

[@DatAceTho]

9:30 Dnegs busting out the subjective theory of value!

[@bmo14lax]

Livestreams have stunted poker for me cant sit there for 12 hours a day to the most boringggggg commentators. The way PokerStars breaks it down into TV segments really makes their events great to watch and easy to follow. If you want more info you can always go online to twitch or something like that.

[@james.3352]

Loved it happy birthday dnegs hi to Mrs Negs alsi shes 100% a cool wifey

[@hjburke]

No running to rail whatsoever until breaks

[@dfwvtxman]

Ban laptops period. Stop allowing players to play online at the same time they are playing in a live game. It's already slowwwwwwwwwwwwwww enough.

[@DatAceTho]

25:00 I hate smoking, but the government shouldn't ban it. My GF and I stayed only at non-smoking hotels. If fellow smoke haters did the same, there would be more non-smoking hotel-casinos.

[@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr]

On the Foxen hand, IMO she totally donked her stack off, her opponent was UTG which means his range is pretty capped (especially given the ICM implications from it being down to 13 players in the Main Event). Also Griffin lost the ME because of the hands they played not because Tomayo got game changing solver assistance.

[@Kelgee3]

Doesn't matter he still cheated. And how do u know? was he told to raise pre-flop with 8-3? Doesn't matter.... cheating is cheating

[@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr]

@@Kelgee3 It definitely isn't cheating at all, cheating would be information that changes the outcome of the hand ;but that isn't happening. Griffin misplayed hands and lost because of his own actions. It was never going to be a fair fight between Tomayp and Griffin, Tomayo has nearly 2 decades under his belt playing WSOP poker tournies plus 63 WSOP cashes, 2 million in live earning before winning the ME and 4 Rings. Griffin never stood a chance.

[@fkscopes]

​@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkErgriffin lost a coin flip to win the main event which makes that comment ludicrous

[@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr]

@@fkscopes Griffin misplayed quite a few hands once they got heads up, also bluffed too much. He was no match for Tomayo.

[@fkscopes]

@@RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr you said griffin never stood a chance which is ridiculous. Maybe he wouldn't stand a chance if it was the best of 500 hu sngs. Anybody stands a chance in Hu tourney not particularly deep the best in the world isn't going to beat even someone like me more than 55% of the time

[@veekay3158]

So coaching from the rail has always been allowed? That was a mistake. Fix it ASAP. No interaction with the rail at all and no communications devices. Poker has always been an individual game not a team game.

[@MR-4200]

Given what was stated about Nevada Gaming Commission law, do you think Jordan Griff should sue Ceasars and the WSOP for willful neglect enforcing the laws of the commision that grants their gaming license? Should he similarly sue Tamayo for cheating him, and press charges.