► WTF Is... - Game Dev Tycoon ?

[@C0okieman2009]

Thats gonna be a new meme Man: Hey Bill how's the weather today Bill: I DON'T KNOW THE GAME DOSEN'T TELL YOU

[@ace_quicksilver3198]

you can generate a game report and it tells you what is important and what isnt

[@secretcctvcameraOG]

I got this on Steam for £3.50 on a daily deal, already played three and a half hours, and it's worth the money currently.

[@penazmisa]

THIS VIDEO IS OUT DATED. They put a ton of new features to the steam version. You can put reckoning behind everything now :D. Also you can generate REPORTS that tell you where you made mistakes.

[@Stipopedia]

"Being forever alone is a pretty cheap hobby", Totalbiscuit is allways the best.

[@theretron1]

Wow, I remember playing this game in this stage of development. They have added a lot more since this video.

[@theretron1]

Well, it tells you a lot more in what you are doing. I mean, t gives you more information when you are doing something wrong. Also, there's a new hint system in when you make more game in a certain category you can do a report on what worked and what didn't. That kind of goes along with it telling you more. Another thing added is mod support. This is a big addition as there are dozens of mods for this game that add so much more. People have added more topics, systems, researches, achievements, and even a cheat system. Another guy is even adding multiplayers support. Some minor things added are longer title names and multi-platform support. So, there's about everything that has been added.

[@MinecraftLineLiar]

Everybody consider the fact that this game has REALLY changed since this WTF is... it has loads of updates, a lot of new content and much more. They tell you better about the faults you made while in development, longer game names, multi-platform and a lot more! This review isn't really 'good' anymore at this time, it's basically outdated.

[@LastAmerican6]

I reinstalled it today after reading your comment, and I didn't get very far for lack of patience, but it didn't seem very much different at all. I noticed the new game reports that gave you a more comprehensive idea of what you could do better and the little +'s and -'s below some of the categories to indicate importance. Unfortunately, a great many of these were followed by a '?' which made it even more of a gamble to adjust the indicated field and was often entirely wrong. I do suppose playing farther would increase the reliability of the indicators, but the garage stage seems too luck-based to encourage play passed that point. Unless they keep adding more detailed information for early on, the changes won't count for much.

[@MinecraftLineLiar]

LastAmerican6 I didn't mean a lot of changed on the 'know what you're doing'-part. A lot of things have changed there, added and removed. The things where I was talking about were things like multi-platform and other things. Go to this link and see what all has changed (look at 1.4.0, that's where I was talking about mostly, others are more changes then added): www.greenheartgames.com/game-dev-tycoon-changelog/ You can also try using some mods to enhance your experience. You can just go to www.forum.greenheartgames.com and find mods in the 'Official Mod List'. Of course Mod Supports also wasn't there yet in TB's review.

[@juniknytt2848]

"Trial and error is bad game design" then why did the binding of Issac become such a success and the whole mechanic was trial, error, and randomization. Oh the irony.

[@fedas15]

This game is pretty trash for a single reason: It bases how good a game is on how good your last one was. So if you want to make a *really* good game because you just made a ton of cash, you're actually chopping off your own hands. You won't have enough money afterwards to outdo that game and therefore lose. The game mechanics are terrible.

[@CheesyChaplin]

In one of the recent updates (1.4 I think) they actually tell you which parts of the development stages are useful or not, e.g engine, game play etc. In fact, I'll be honest, most of the things you said in this video have been changed to what you said it should be.

[@FulofFailGaming]

That means they are smart right?

[@elnikothegreek]

General Von Gelre devs seriously need to hire TB and Zero Punctuation to advise their gaming decisions. lol.

[@Mr_Wallace97]

dankfrog His name's Yahtzee, his video series is Zero Punctuation.

[@elnikothegreek]

i know his name is Yahtzee. But i just said Zero Punctuation just so that people might know who i was talking about. And it doesn't say Yahtzee's Zero Punctuation, its just called Zero Punctuation and its on The Escapists channel. So its all a bunch of confusion shrouded in mystery as to who's who.

[@elnikothegreek]

thats the problem with the internet isn't it? or text based conversation rather. Sarcasm is hard to convey sometimes. I didn't know his name was Yahtzee til i took the initiative to look it up. I assume most people haven't done that so i'm so sorry for calling Yahtzee, Zero Punctuation. My original point still stands those. Game developers, get TB and Yahtzee to tell you how to make your game good.

[@alexandramasson8505]

For the other viewers, they've added a good response system to help you out as well as in game memory for it so you don't have to remember it yourself. Its a lot better now.

[@shocknawe]

Good night, sweet prince. Still missing you.

[@SnoozeTheRecluse]

You are reviewing a *game* about making *games* and saying the people in the *game* that are reviewing the *game* are bad because they don't give enough detail of what you did wrong in the *game*.O_o That's too many *games* for me. All snap, a made another!

[@Nihilianth]

haha, 28 minutes in, he was briefly thinking of what to calla pirate adventure game. I said SeaBiscuit, a split second before he started typing it. LOL.

[@Crowbar]

hey TotalBiscuit. I think they updated the game. I just bought it and there are new features. Now you can make "Game Reports" which tell you why a game was good or bad. Those unlock hints which are always displayed when you develop a new game so you know what you made bad last time. Also you can go to the "Help" menu, where they explain to you what exactly "World Design" and stuff means. So both problems for you are actually gone now more or less. Maybe give it another try!

[@Submitr]

A lot of people are commenting about the 'generate game report' in the new patch. Even that isn't totally useful, it tells you extremely generic stuff. The game revolves around using common sense for the sliders and the reviews are based on those sliders. Also at later stages you don't want to put a design dev in something technical and vice versa. The reviews definitely have a somewhat random element to them but there kinda based on the sliders too. You can't make 10/10 games all the time but generally if you have common sense with the sliders you'll be successful.

[@martijndevis]

actualy you can make 10-10games every singel time.

[@martijndevis]

wel it takes some practice and not right from the start but i have played it enough to get alot of 10-10-10-10 games in a row. all you have to do is make your game beter then the one befor. so more T&D points. now it is stupid to say it like that i know... but if you dont use it already u shoud try the game dev wiki gamedevtycoon.wikia dot com

[@Javiscx]

martijndevis I've practiced a lot too and I get over 9-10-9-10 games...

[@martijndevis]

The Discriminator you need to speccializ atleast 2 of your staff befor you can make nonstop perfect games.

[@Javiscx]

martijndevis I have 5,biatch.

[@ACRaptor17]

use the freaking game reports to learn about what's wrong with your game !!!! don't blame game dev !

[@ShutUpKetchup]

I have to say TB you are very good at what you do but if you follow their hints that pop up. it tells you that you can see why a game does good or bad and I realize that you probably won't see this but if you do congrats you are very good at what you do in every way.

[@lunavixen015]

One thing to do is ALWAYS generate a game report after the reviews come in, the slight bit of lost time will help in the long run.

[@gazpatcho22]

i love this channel because of how he makes you think deeper and see things that you otherwise wouldn't have ever even thought about

[@katarinalove8649]

That's why we miss him in 2023

[@RokuroCarisu]

Inazuma Eleven could qualify as a sports RPG.

[@xba222]

Agreed :D

[@Marzo546]

in the new update for steam u can generate game reports

[@Rodhizzzle]

I really like this game. At 30 billion now :D.

[@JezzmanGAMES]

They added "Game reports" now which explains what was good/bad about your released games. This game's still growing.

[@MrFlarespeed]

Hard tack is the dried biscuit (American version of biscuit) that was a common food out at sea before refrigeration was discovered.

[@namegamereviews]

Actually if you right click after releasing your game and while it's still on the market you can generate post-production game reports with more detailed feedbacks and the learned ones stay in description for the rest of the game. Or is this a mod?

[@Floconbob]

that was patched. And i'm glad it was lol

[@LemurLegiCZ]

That was added in the steam version, this vid predates the steam version.

[@Floconbob]

yeah, the steam version has it as well

[@ajc46074]

I think he decided to scrap the review then go make a LP

[@gh0stmc]

sound design is the most worthless attribute

[@jful]

Just came back to this recently. Seems like they've tried to address some of TB's concerns about the lack of feedback. You can now generate a 'game report' after you release a game which gives insights into what things are important for a genre. That info is then displayed on the UI every time you make a game, telling you which factors are important. You can also import the knowledge when you start a new game, it seems pretty good so far.

[@Elidan1012]

While I agree with TB, that it's not clear enough what the sliders effect, the tutorial does mention, that you can find a description of them in the help menu. It's not highlighted enough in the game, but it's there.

[@kinagrill]

Luckily an update made it so you could review what a game had right and what was wrong, etc.

[@ellamayfield5126]

With all due respect, they fixed this by adding the "Generate Game Report" Function that allows you to make an employee generate a game report to tell you what you did wrong and it'll generate some research points. So that helps to fix a major flaw of the game.

[@tomtinakiyama9949]

I can't believe he gone. :(

[@omegapng]

I have played this game SO much that I have unlocked the info for every game genre and what goes with it (by doing a little research yourself on that certain game you made)

[@bluegeico33]

Since you published this already you probably already know this, but with this game if your hit "Esc" and following by clicking "Help" this allows you to look at all of the stages during the development of a game and what each of these mean followed by many other tips.

[@perrinwa]

fast forward to now when the game has the option to generate a game report

[@pinkiepie6443]

This game, seems like a time sink more than anything.

[@333teapot]

you use steering wheels in RPG's to steer your horse!

[@ZanathKariashi]

They're making it a lot better in more recent updates. ONe idea that's being worked on is being able to hire test audiences to get more detailed info on areas the game is lacking BEFORE release, and giving you the opportunity to retune things, for a fee, depending on how many stages you wanted to redo and the accuracy of the audience based on the size of the audience you hired. Also tweaking how some calculations and system affinities are handled.

[@adamgrogory]

I think "World Design" refers to how intriguing and or developed the world is and "Sound" is where the music tracks are.

[@Gsxsmeneer]

god i miss your voice :'(

[@KIDCON26]

Does he know that you can research old games that have been made? ( I know this video is old)

[@theoldfinalchapters8319]

That feature wasn't available back when this video was made.

[@LiamNosliw]

This review is outdated. TotalBiscuit do a modern day review of this game!

[@TheKastberg1]

hes dead tho

[@VenTaraki]

2018 UPDATE - Game Dev Tycoon - $8.40 USD - MANY changes since this video.

[@xenxander]

No because you earned the information to 'play well'. Knowing all the recipes in SotS: The Pit doesn't take any of the challenge away. You just smile and are happy you have them figured out, to make future playthroughs easier. Also as I mentioned, they are stored for you to look up. Sure there is always 'meta game' information, but gimping yourself because you want to 'role play' doesn't always make sense. If it's my 10th time playing through the game, I want to do well from the start.

[@dylanpaxton8174]

I saw Alchestbreach play this game, the game is ay better now.

[@kaxgaming8421]

RIP John Bain

[@robertschnobert9090]

RIP in Peace indeed

[@ChimneyCheems]

Game #5 - Great game, dispite the name.

[@Zinex001]

I am not a developer but I imagine that it may not so much hard but it takes a ton of effort to script, create art style that suits the game, test it, fix bugs (most likely a rinse and repeat) then you gotta adjust the art style as it may change during the gameplay, add finishing touches, test it and see if there are any bugs left.

[@vincentdragonball]

Nice score but if you want to know what being in charge of a game dev company is really like, try the GameBiz series. It has stocks, Rival Companies, Publishing Deals with your Console, and there is even consumer demand where you have to time the release of your game just right or it'll lose to other competitors's games.

[@GnanaPrakash86AP]

The first true KZbin gaming critic for me. Sad that he had to leave before he had the time to grow truly influential.

[@MrZawxse]

fun game

[@GumpyyyBrin]

Not when u have made a game that made u 1000000000000000000 dollars. basically unlimited money without cheating.

[@GumpyyyBrin]

Just make and MMO, market the shit out of it then make only expansions for it with once a year do that for 60ish ingame years there u go.

[@GumpyyyBrin]

I did not say it was a cheat.

[@Javiscx]

GumpyyyBrin Yep.You're right.On my first MMO one expansion pack on the first sale brought me one thousand Million and a half...

[@patsessions]

Replayablility: -10

[@turtlepirate69]

There is a new feature on this game that lets you research why your games did or did not do well and that information is easily visible when making new games. Id think that fixed a lot of the feedback problem.

[@Nobody1707]

This is especially good because the game remembers which sliders are important and puts an icon next to it telling you how important it is.

[@Bryan11210]

I actually got really good without the wiki help. Lol he hates it bc he's bad.

[@Aldowyn]

They've added a post-release analysis feature that'll sometimes tell you how important each area is for a certain type of game and over time you'll actually have quite a bit of information

[@matthewbrown169]

Definitely reminds me of Game Dev Story from 1997, ported to smartphones in 2010. Congrats on the Greenlight, I'll be waiting for my key.

[@MrWhitewax]

Actually, it does allow you to research. And it tells you if the combo was good, and if the genre is fit for the console.

[@SecretLevelAftermath]

at 00:44 he said theres a heavily more complex one, which one is it? i cant find it =( I dont even quite understand how its supposed to be called >_>

[@daeyan380]

This has happened to me a few times too. But there is an opportunity right before the game release to change it so they DO give you a chance to pick up on it before you 'submit' it.

[@armaniac661]

it looks funny because of the things you can do and the randomness at some points :D Crendor played it in a fun way and so did you, so I'm actually willing to give it a try!

[@lauraleew00]

It does tell you what the world design and such is for LATER in the game once you've designed your own engine, can make medium games, and have a lot of different researched things.

[@mebsplays]

Obviously Greenheart Games listened to the fans. The Steam release of Game Dev Tycoon gives you a choice to generate game reports after release, which give you more feedback on what worked and what didn't, which will give you more advice on development in the future. They also increased the number of characters available for naming your games, although it's still not ENOUGH characters :p

[@xenxander]

The best way to deal with that is NOT to listen to the tutorial that says "don't try to fill up spaces right away". move into the office when you have about 4+million from your garage. Also don't move out until you've finished your first real game engine (say an engine with an update to graphics and sound). Then hire everyone right away (minimal amount to scout, IE 20K, find average peeps) Then use your engine right away to make a high budget game. If you're lucky (or wiki it) you'll be fine

[@ceigey-au]

Having played Game Dev Tycoon or whatever Kairosoft's game is (which I believe is based off an older game?), it looks pretty samey, just with a snazzier UI. It would have been nice to see a bigger mix up. Even the bits that are significantly different from what I can see, seem to have the same problems (as in, lack of feedback from reviewers and the amount of effort you put into different stages of development). That said, even if it were a blatant copy it'd be still enjoyable.

[@DBZHGWgamer]

You know, this isn't a simulation, its a tycoon. It says it in the title. Also, when you move to the second place you are able to make game reports that give you some info on what you want to put in the game.

[@Angryconsumernerd]

For those thinking of trying it ..some important tips ..Always go for new combo , great combo on the topic ...and always strive to get " new record " for tech and game design ...or at least one of them ...if you don't get a new record your game will almost 100% of the time get an average review ..also notice if you get new records + level up in several categories such as game design or graphics you will almost always have a hit game ...

[@shazbovalen7026]

Size doesn't change what you can fit into the sliders. When it comes to adding features to your game, there's no way to take your time and implement them if you have the funds to do it. So you want to have 3d V5 and Surround Sound with Orchestral Music? Well you can't do that without it seriously harming the quality of your release. And MMO's in this game don't get subscriptions to cover maintenance as far as I can tell. I had a top seller MMO W/ Top expansions, didn't see those results at all.

[@ryokuhasu9699]

As an indie developer I under stand why the game chooses not to give good feed back in the reviews, they are more meant for you to predict your sales ahead of time and plan ahead. You are supposed to generate the reports for your games after each one to get the slightly more detailed information. Failing to do so looses you out on basic understanding of whats good and not, and some easy research points for better engines later. If you understand the Industry terms a bit than it really is common sense for the player. You can easily make a 20 Mil game right off the bat on the 1st time playing if you just know the vocab and know what part of game development that really means. The game follows perfect logic if you are looking at it as a developer, not if you are looking at it like a reviewer just grinding a game.

[@darkkrauserr]

Yes, they affect in the most part, but later in the game you get Target Audience and if its wrong for the console, it lowers sales just a bit:)

[@anthonyberkeley3502]

Also On a Newer version, you can do game reports that tell you what the sliders should be

[@KBMadhouse]

Saying it isn't theft is saying it's something else but still doesn't make it right or lawful. And never did I myself say it wasn't theft because plagiarism is another matter, so that second paragraph didn't do anything to prove that it's justification, it's people assuming it's something else but saying it still doesn't make it right. I'd call piracy a method of obstructing traditional trade and authorization, therefore theft so I agree, but not on the justification point.

[@themikerophone1]

Now there is this thing in the game where it tells you what you can do better for your games and which combos are good.

[@inferno3031]

Playing this game with wiki assures the win so its not entirely "you don't know" thing. You just have to play it long enough to know it strait through. For instance contracts at the beginning are total bs cause of randomness BUT later on you can estimate them with very good completion ratio.

[@WillPennerson]

Like a lot of people have mentioned, the game is somewhat better now. About a month or two ago, I watched TheMysteriousMrEnter do a playthrough of it, and the developers did iron out some of the issues (though some things are still random).

[@mattardis]

if you go into the game history section, you can create reports on your past games that tell you how to make them better or what made them so good.

[@AGENTX506]

You seem to have overlooked the fact that the 'help' menu actually tells you what each of the sliders does, for example, world design is backstory, etc., whereas level design envelops things such as the layout of the tracks in a racing game for example. I can't say most of this criticism is fair. As you said yourself, this is the first game made by two people. And at the end of the day, a good game is one that keeps you playing, and it certainly seems to have kept you enthralled.

[@CobrakingTV]

The company who made this game released a 'pirated' game (which is the version you're talking about) to statistically find out just how many people would pirate it. It turned out 94% of people who got the game, tried the pirated version. But there are pirated versions of this game existing that does not have the extra feature.

[@TheAzertjuh]

The game actually does tell you a lot what things like 'level design' and 'world design' mean when you look in the Help menu...

[@WillowMelody]

TB: What is the most logical way to make this game? Crendor/Jesse: WHAT IS THE CRAZIEST AND MOST AWESOME WAY TO DO THIS?! Me: Well, I mean... I like those kinds of games, so I'll make those the way I think they should be made.

[@TheNighthawk77]

"Spiritual squeal to the Custard Creaming" is perhaps the most horrific thing I've ever heard. Well done TB that was beautiful

[@Francidk13]

escape button gives you a list of options in full game. it's found under settings.

[@TheAdmiester]

You can see that it's a command-line on the screen, not off but dark.

[@hopscotchinjury]

TB I was cracking up at every single one of your game titles

[@lauraleew00]

I like the way sips plays because he takes the positive out of the bad of games and makes everything funny.

[@Killer-hy2st]

The second company he was playing as was mostly Capcom and I can just imagine Angry-Joe yelling YOU DUN FUCKED IT UP CYNICAL BRIT YOU DUN FUCKED IT UP. XD

[@Zalman1337]

Action is one of the toughest genres to balance perfectly and sequels are hard to manage unless you can consistently improve graphics with each new sequel because you get a penalty if you don't.

[@64bitrobot]

One of the most arcane things about this game is that different genres need different balances between Design and Technology. You will get penalized in almost every genre by having a design score equal to the tech score. Action needs 1.8 tech points for each design points.

[@AlBQuirky]

I have to agree, TB. Great review. I find myself playing this determined to win. I find the lack of feedback troublesome, too.

[@aquamarine0899]

The reviews are based on genre-topic combos, the balance in development, and your previously released games(if there are any yet) factor in as well. So yeah be sensible, be relaxed and try to pull your company off the ground to enjoy the gameplay.

[@maximo1495]

Just graduated from a gaming degree at university, I dont think you understand how much work goes into making games, for example call of duty gets released each year with thousands of people making the one game of which they just use the same engine which means half of their work is done for them! They have to have two development studios of hundreds of people to be able to do this!

[@DormantJester]

There was pretty much zero marketing before the release of the game on torrent or for purchase. The release of the game on torrent sites was marketing and so was the outcome but i was referring to pre-release marketing. The person i was replying to was also referring to zero pre-release marketing as a reason for why people went on pirate sites to find out.

[@TrueChaoSclx]

I wanted that too... heh... You CAN make expansion for MMOs you make down the line, though (it's required, or the maintenance costs rise above the earnings)

[@SgtDoomsday88]

'World design' is backstory and lore to the world. The game tells you this in the help section of the menu.

[@Chibi1986]

Actually, no. There was a PC version of GDS made 16 years ago that had more formulas and customization than the iOS/Android version, which is 3 years old. And there's a PC version of GDS2, but only in Japanese. Inspiration goes to a point before it becomes ripping off, and the way GDT unfolds and works would hint that line was crossed.

[@satyanjoy]

totally agree with you. Lot of room for improvement. I really want a full blown tycoon game on game development

[@Ashforanswers]

Once you figure out the wiki has cracked the system to making every type of games re: sliders. i.e. you generally have to max 2/3 per section. Then there's no challenge left to this game.

[@Kaizu823]

It's weird. You'd think world design and level design would be the same thing, they even sound the same, but in this game (according to the help section), world design leans more on the story-side, specifically the back-story or the "lore", whereas level design is related to object placements and how the place looks.

[@vorpalneko]

It's a shame Past Games doesn't record the game's Design / Tech scores, because the that's actually critical information as to how well your next games are going to do. The idea that they're indirectly compared to past top performer(s) is sensible enough (though the algorithm itself is a bit more wonky, that's the basic gameplay mechanic). Such basic info would greatly improve the player's planning ability without spoiling anything.