Wuthering Waves Might be the Best Thing for Genshin Yet

[@whisper3856]

maybe the real genshin killer was the friends we made along the way!

[@firby7341]

OMG TRUE

[@kizuki2650]

Nah its paimon

[@kirkalmeida]

Finally a good take, competition breeds excellence. The funniest thing of to come out of all this is the Genshin and Wuwa community each claiming the other is more toxic when in reality it's the same fucking community that just split itself in half. I'm sure if you ran an average the amount of stupidity on each side it would be pretty much equal.

[@ChristianKessler4185]

only if the side that needs to improve, actually acknowledges first, that theres now some dangerous competion on the market, which really forces them to make positive changes players want, in order to not lose them and their loyality to the new competition. But if MHY s Genshin dev team just keeps on acting further this arrogantly, like they did in the last 4 years, while staying also that extreme greedy n stingy, like the last 4 years, as if the company is like 100% out of touch with their whole player community - then I dont see that WuWa will make any big "impact" on genshin xD - pun intended First Genshin needs definetely to realize, how dire their situation has become, now that WuWa is there, with a developer, which unlike genshins dev team - absolutely CARES ABOUT what their players say and want and which actually really seems to have a way better understanding about, what real compensation and real rewards MEANS to players, unlike Genshin, which treats its playerbase since day 1 like trash, despite knowing very well, that WE are the reason, for why MHY became even this successful... Sure, we can all wish for and hope, that WuW becomes so successful, that MHY simply can't ignore it, it has to become that successful simply, because if not, then MHY will just continue to stay the way, how they are. For change to happen in Genshin, kuro simply can't afford it to make any halfhearted things. They have to push out now from begin on everythign they can and be somewhat more generous, somewhat more player friendly ect. pp yadda yadda yadda, you know what I mean - because if they don't, the game will just most likely flow and become just the next Tower of Garbage 2.0, that absolutely nobody is ever speaking about again already. But that alone is not enough..the next months will become very important and crucial, when Genshin is about to release Natlan Content, what Kuro will counter on that, how theey will keep on improving the gam,e now within the next say 2-3 patches.... Because then have players a much better and stronger comparable understanding about, how Kuro game is operating their game, compared to how genshin did it within the very first 3 Patches, what Genshin did and added/changed in that time span, compared to Kuro Games... And when then more n more people realize, that Kuro Games very likely will be still by then the developer, which does everything compared to Genshin felt 10x better, is at the same time still felt like 10x generous and plays at the same time still felt 10x less grindy and with felt 10x more player comfort ect - then is the point reached where MHY should seriously feel the massive pressure coming from Kuro Games, that they actively try to take over Genshins Playerbase, if they continue over time to make simply everything better all the time in meaningful and substantial ways, that players requested them to take a look on and improve/fix found issues with the game, where compared to that genshin acted all those years, just a fucking blind, deaf n stubborn developer that simply didnt care 1 bit about, what the international playerbase says or wanted, because they focused themself on working only on their own interngal schedules and agendas, while always completely ignoring everything else, like being in their own isolated bubble of pure ignorance. Time will tell short said, how the existance of WuW will truly influence now genshins course for the future positively, and if it does it, if it will be that kidn of drasctic adaptions we are hoping for, or of MHY continues with what seems to be now reaction with a kind of "Salami Tactics" of making slowly only very minimalistic improvements now, giving players now just extremely slowly thigns they want and becoem also only very slowly bit by bit more generous, because in all honesty, i dont believe in it that genshin becomes now drastically more generous suddenly, just because WuWa is there now ... this will be if at all again just a snailspeed process with Genshin, if at all. I guess Genshin will try first to test out the waters with Kuro Games, and see, how "aggressively" they try to attack Genshin by how long they keep up their generosity, and by watchign very very closely now, what kind of things they do and improve, to make accordingly reactions just first soon enough, when seriously neccessary.

[@ProfessorDefault]

@@ChristianKessler4185 I agree really do hope Wuwa somehow gets the Genshin dev team to get up off their asses and reconsiders the gameplay side. I really like Genshin, the stories and characters make me stay, but I find gameplay a little lacking and what we yield from the game to be disrescptful compared HSR. The problem Kuro faces is that not only will Kuro has Natlan on the horizon, but also a three way attack, with Genshin and HSR releasing banners and reruns on very popular characters, but also ZZZ releasing in the same month as Wuwa's 1.1 patch. They have to find away to stay with the competition during these next months because they're gonna get slaughtered. I'm not gonna theorise on why Genshin is the way it is nor will I try to understand they have their because I'm no dev, but it doesn't take a dev to know they really need to step up their act in gameplay. So I want to see Wuwa thrive and push Genshin. But if we want to be really realistic, we probably won't see anything drastic from genshin in this year, production is a lenghty process and changing that schedule so significantly can disrupt the work cycle they have currently, delaying things, making it the last thing any games company wants. Considering Wuwa sizes it maybe only tadpole to the leviathan that is Genshin as when Genshin was on one of their weaker banners, they still manager to claim 2nd, only losing it to their sister game, so it be way slow to see changes if anything at all cause I don't think Genshin really considers them a threat as of now. Kuro has so many factors going againist it so they release banger after banger to atleast survive, but all of this is wishful thinking, though a little hope and support maybe keep them for being ToF 2.

[@leadformeandmyself]

and then, there's us pgr player silently watching the chaos

[@ruy7164]

As someone who prefers genshin playstyle (I like reactions and teambuilding more in genshin) and will continue playing genshin, the genshin side is stupider.

[@radikat.]

Yeah the WuWa community pulled an American Revolution and split from Genshin.

[@raderelcaroman1403]

It's a strange world where, many genshin players want wuthering to do well so genshin gets an incentive to improve

[@nihilus9000]

Welp many peeps are saying thanks wuwa whenever genshin gots a good update

[@Nickulator]

That's not unique to Genshin fans, it's common sense to want competition in the market as it will almost always be beneficial to the consumer. No competition breeds stagnation and less of a need and desire to improve or innovate the product.

[@matrixfull]

I am 100% sure it's thanks to Wuthering Waves that Genshin will finally ( after 4 years mind you!!! ) get enough resin storage so that you won't have to login twice a day to not get capped. We are getting 200 resin cap soon. We really need good competiton really bad.

[@makotonaegi4419]

Even if it does well doesn't give genshin an incentive to improve lol they're too bigm

[@Ama-hd8he]

@@nihilus9000those peeps are delulu😊

[@cocopan4848]

I got so sick of “Genshin killer” videos from other CCs when I really just wanted to hear genuine opinion so this is a breath of fresh air.

[@zipzzo]

I've literally never seen a video where someone said WuWa was going to kill Genshin, and if you say Tectone I'm going to laugh at you.

[@cocopan4848]

@@zipzzo I don’t watch Tectone lol and there’s quite a few actually if you search around. Mostly smaller creators trying to hit numbers.

[@Truck-kun11]

I don't have problems with the game, just with the community that overhyped it too much and spent more time talking about how "it's going to kill Genshin" than the game itself.

[@D.U.D.E-]

Yeah until you realize that the 'community' that hyped it was genshin players lol

[@Truck-kun11]

@@D.U.D.E- Both sides are to blame, I saw a lot of Kuro fanboys and PGR players who were overhyping the game, which is ironic when apparently PGR had the same problems like bugs and rushed launch

[@plvto1]

thank you. both communities were and still are unbearable to be in because they act like children when it comes to this stuff. just play the game please?

[@gumidachi]

omg me too 😔😔😔😔

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

@@D.U.D.E- dissatisfied and disappointed Genshin players are the right terms for them LMFAO

[@gianlucagiusti6174]

I envision Kuro and Hoyo's CEos having a friendly coffee together in this exact moment laughing at how people are tearing apart between them like animals

[@boringfactor8792]

Never planning on playing it but i do hope it does well

[@AngryLad_80]

why not? just curious

[@boringfactor8792]

@Mad_Lad_11 I have a one gacha game rule and I'm heavily invested in genshin's story and characters. The combat alone isn't enough to make me wanna move over.

[@Twocat5side]

​@@boringfactor8792 So you're pretty much trapped in the sunk cost fallacy, gacha games are kinda like that. (I personally played genshin for 1 year straight, 100% everything all map, quests, 1000 achievements but at a certain point the dailies became a chore to me. And whenever a game becomes a chore, you should leave it immediately)

[@yeetuspatronus1050]

​@@Twocat5sidebruhhh it's simply dedication

[@ocpd33frea]

@@Twocat5side I tried both but music is lacking in this game but im looking forward for future updates.

[@henryswims]

The wuwa map just needs a big contrast boost.. looking at that minimap.. i can never figure out where i am

[@toub.]

So true

[@Spookie24]

I think the overall colour grading needs a bit more contrast. But thats personal preference i guess. The characters use a lot of black white and grey tones so they get easily washed out.

[@fly2724]

Totally agree. Water should be blue lol

[@bailibutongji1888]

Nothing can kill genshin better than genshin itself

[@demonking-zm3rs]

Gonna be honest im just waiting for the Genshin Competitor Nonsense to die Its like saying Palworld is a Pokemon Competitor But if you look at how Genshin Advertises its game you dont see a lot of focus put on Combat(like look up any random ads) Wuwa is exclusively banking on it combat Its a lazy comparison and has honestly done more harm to Wuwa then any Bs Genshin Killer Nonsense Any HI3 fans would know this same shit happened with PGR Vs HI3 amd guess what they just existed in there own space not challenging anything

[@lucklei4665]

WuWa fans are delusional thinking Hoyo gave a single shit about Kuro

[@raizn]

There's nothing in Genshin combat to advertise about, go take some chemistry class instead

[@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028]

>exclusively on combat Clearly you haven't played PGR. Also, you seem to ignore the fact Wuwa respects your time and wallet.

[@dauntlessguts12_20]

​@@raizn Lmao true

[@toub.]

These games literally exist in the same niche tho. Single player open world gacha anime RPG. It's just like Apex and Valorant are in the same niche. Just through that they are automatically competing for pretty much the same players' attention, even if they want to or not. So I wouldn't say it's nonsense to talk about, but I agree that I don't really think Hoyo gives a thing about any competitors, they're just too dominant in their niche

[@tiredcloud3741]

i dont get the grinding issue, people say genshin is grindy and its a bad thing and now people are saying its not too grindy enough and that its a bad thing as well like ????? obviously opinions differ for each player but i remember specifically one time everyone was complaining about how grinding oriented genshin is

[@XenoWars]

Peopke are saying Genshin isnt grindy enough? That sounds like such a hot take. Its very grindy and theres no argument it isnt. It takes upwards of months to get a single artifact set for a character. HSR has the same issue, but its at least easier there. WuWa, people have already gotten full sets for multiple characters cause of how easy it is to get them

[@asafesseidonsapphire]

​@@XenoWars I think it's because these people each have a different definition of what a grindy game is, like there's the MMO type grind where it's an big session doing the same thing like levelling in pokemon, and there's doing the same domain each day to just get 1 piece.

[@manunova5929]

I think it's a matter of perspective. Genshin and HSR require loads of grinding to make big jumps in power, but players are only allowed to grind as much as their energy system allows them to (HSR's energy overflow is a godsend). Wuthering Waves' method for grinding made getting the desired pieces of equipment easier with the technical main downside being that players can burn out from grinding for so long (but that is the players' fault) and the materials for levelling equipment being gated by content and energy (which is still better since Genshin and HSR need you to sacrifice gear to enhance gear).

[@XenoWars]

@@manunova5929 Well HSR has the exp items too. Genshin is the only obe that doesnt, technically. they exist but you can only get them from shop or teapot. They need to make it so we get them from artifact domains too

[@HonestToCritic]

I don't mind them copying Genshin's UI/setup. But it looks aesthetically identical, I'm gonna shrug a little. Doesn't mean I won't play it, but it will have to make up for it in other areas. I felt the same way about Genshin, until it diversified itself from BOTW. Sadly it's not available on consoles, so i'll have to wait to find out... 🤷

[@FinnManusia]

PS4/PS5 is not a console I see.

[@FinnManusia]

XBox has TOF tho.

[@dominicjannazo7144]

as I see it brought up so many times, I want to die on my stupid little hill here: Genshin's daily commissions system is really good actually. Genshin has a lot of things that require you to go to specific locations and talk to specific NPCs that other games, both before and after it, have streamlined into menus. This is a clear design decision on MiHoYo's part to force you to interact with Genshin's world. There is a large amount of effort that went into the open world, and the small little inconveniences of actually having to physically do things is clear design intent to reinforce the world. Not every game should just copy this, and there are aspects of Genshin that could be improved, but daily commissions have a clear purpose to make you engage with the gameplay on a daily basis, compared to alt-tabbing to something elsewhile doing auto-battle that is the starrail experience. Genshin made the open world part of the key experience of the game, while many people may just see "open world" as something you can use in marketing. No, the marketing for genshin, that worked from the specific circumstances Genshin was released in, was Open World with Gacha, not Gacha with Open World. By putting the Game first, Genshin expanded beyond its initial market.

[@claidheamhsoluis3044]

Careful bro, you'll be called a hOyOvErSe WhItEkNiGhT sLaSh MeAtRiDeR sLaSh MiNtPiCkEr

[@f4llenleaves]

It's so ironic that Genshin focuses so clearly on the open world aspect yet players voluntarily play just to hate said aspect. It's literally the first thing showcased on the app/play store. The places are clear-cut, are culturally-rich, and have breathtaking music to accompany them. While the depth of Genshin's combat mechanics have the potential to be used for other endgame options, I always thought of Genshin as a relaxing game that incentivizes slowing down and looking around

[@JoeEver123]

WOW I thought I was alone thinking this. The fact that you can do anything in genshin and it will complete the dailies is why I never feel tired. The freedom of completing dailies in the game is beyond any other games, even HSR

[@lefetellc6247]

I agree with the part about interacting with the world 🙇‍♂️ I’d just like to add how Wuwa improved upon the concept Genshin has the core mechanics; walking, running, climbing Meanwhile Wuwa was able to add mechanics to compliment it (grapple, double jump, wall running, endless sprint) that make the open world a fun experience ******** I would say that Wuwa does “open-world” better because you can do more in the open world compared to Genshin. Meanwhile, Genshin excels storywise because it implements lore into its various commissions, companion quests, world quests, and side quests scattered across their vast map (because they’ve been out for 3 years now to have the time to do this) and because Wuwa has only just begun its storyline

[@ProfessorDefault]

@@lefetellc6247 Yeah I found traveling is a more fun in Wuwa, they have things that makes want to travel unlike certain region ill name later, a core element of being open world is movement. For example in the spider man ps4 game (While not playing it myself) has people love swinging around the city, making it more fun to do these one off side quests because how fun it is to move around, same for Botw, having different ways of getting around (Glitch or not) makes it fun. For Genshin half of it is not as fun to explore as you;'re limited to movement you named and gliding, this being appparent for Liyue, Mondstadt The Chasm and Enkanomiya. However for the other half I find them fun to travel Fontaine, Sumeru, Chenyu Vale and Seas of Bygone Eras have their own mechanic's that make it fun to look in every nook and cranny. With Natlan's saurian mechanic I can tell they're improving in using that open world but it doesn't hide the fact that older regions have that issue.

[@b4u4ever26]

people hate genshin so much that they someday will want aliens to kill genshin

[@Crystal_npc.exe.]

With all this community drama it would be hillarious if they collab together

[@Bullminator]

Imagane colab with xenoblade characters. They would totaly fit.

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

Devs from Kuro are playing Genshin, While Hoyo devs are also playing Wuwa, most likely as a sign of future cooperation and collaboration between two games

[@devilkazumi578]

Nobody wants to collab with genshin.....on reddit whenever someone mentioned a genshin collab the entire community says "no get that toxic ass community away from here" it's a entire meme in the gacha community at how unhinged the genshin playerbase is and no one wants to deal with that....

[@AngryLad_80]

they won't. Never. For a fact. I can bet my left nut 💀. Tencent (backing Kuro) is not on good terms with Hoyo

[@Crystal_npc.exe.]

@@devilkazumi578 It's that bad?

[@jxliiiy5508]

The event you described as similar to Simulated Universe is actually just a copy of the Elysian Realm from HI3.

[@Tamytaummta]

I kinda hate WuWa community when they call me mint picker when I’m just giving a constructive criticism/feedback to the game without shitting on them 😫

[@Yewrenegade]

4:26 Im sorry that was an elevator? jesus I just used the most convoluded method, throwing the cube on the roof hahaha

[@damii_11]

We all did 😂

[@Happ1ness]

Idk if I should feel dumb or smart because I also just threw it onto the the roof. Probably neither, because it's not surprising that puzzles can be solved differently :P

[@Yewrenegade]

@@Happ1ness ah same method I use eh, been there my dude :3

[@Silver-Arrow]

I dont blame the connections to HSR or GI, but kuro also made PGR which already had systems like battlepass 50+ and daily activity points (also in pgr's case it is so much easier)

[@Apt23-v8u]

Is very similar to honkai impact, i think kuro has the strange mission to make like hoyoverse but better

[@Silver-Arrow]

@@Apt23-v8u thats partly because they used to be mihoyo employees so afaik the potential is definitely there

[@AaAaAccslytrflp]

I feel like the issue this game has is that they were focusing on making a better Genshin Impact rather than making their own game. They will always be depending on the Genshin playerbase and they're not gonna kill off Genshin

[@tiredcloud3741]

exactly, whatever complaint people had on genshin they pretty much implemented it which is a good thing because it kinda shows they listen but they really dont have any identity other than genshin's supposed killer

[@ErinBorg-fd1mu]

@@tiredcloud3741 Doesnt show anything but rushing poor "improvements" and releasing a game that barely runs. the wall running is clumsy and often annoying.

[@pepita2437]

Yeah, since a lots of the Genshin players play Genshin for the story/lore. And WuWa can't compete in that area for now. But Wuwa has a more engaging combat. I really hope this game does good, Genshin needs it's competiton. XD

[@AaAaAccslytrflp]

@@pepita2437 Honestly, Genshin's storyline & lore is probably the only thing that's keeping me from quitting the game lol. And yeah, it's safe to say that Genshin Impact's story has absolutely no competition

[@devilkazumi578]

​@@ErinBorg-fd1muit's clunky and barely runs because you don't have the right specs for the game

[@tinkily23]

As decent as the game currently seems, personal opinion, my enjoyment is murdered by performance on a high end pc tanking massively, the voice acting of the playable characters is atrocious (looking at you Yangyang) while the NPCs sound great (blaming voice directors for that, a lot), and the story feels very mid. It feels like it should have stayed in closed beta a little longer.

[@lefetellc6247]

Only a few months ago when the game was in their beta test that Wuwa had to revise 60 or 90% of their storyline because of player unsatisfaction A huge contributor to Wuwa's current state is because of that massive change, which forced developers to possibly crunch and the va's to reshoot so many of their lines With the release date coming up for them, I think things were rushed so they could meet that deadline I 100% agree with Wuwa staying in beta longer, because it would allow the devs and Va's to finalize things and prevent these issues which happened. Hopefully Kuro is able to relax and not crunch, because so many of the bugs are being addressed that it makes me worry if Wuwa employers are getting the rest they need

[@ixirion]

I agree the story is mid bit as Genshin player it is just story and talking. even the great Fontaine quest was in fact go there talk, go there talk, listen, listen... for around 6 hours... then a 3 min cutscene. also ppl fail to realize that in Genshin actually we have one and the same story that repeats every time. a tragic past, dead friend or something, vilan that turns out to be good secretly and a lots of stalling while someone explains a lore. However the storytelling is so good + VA that many ppl just shrugs it off. again the great prophecy of fontaine was in fact nothing. we didnt see anything change in the world, 5 min before the quest and 5 min after everything looks the same cos its just talk in contrast last Wuwa MSQ felt like you are party on inflitration mission with supports, a new map opened the terrain changed completly, we could see and actual battle of npc etc.

[@jeanyeap4229]

@@ixirionlocal commenter discovers tropes

[@Kronman590]

This title hits hard bc playing Wuthering Waves makes me miss playing Genshin

[@devilkazumi578]

Then go play genshin?

[@AngryLad_80]

​@devilkazumi578 ikr 🤦🏻

[@waifuno.1611]

@@devilkazumi578 why are you mad?

[@devilkazumi578]

@waifuno.1611 not mad just wondering why he hasn't gone back to genshin if he misses it haha

[@Kronman590]

@@devilkazumi578 dont worry i did 👍

[@pato_el_pato5540]

i will not playing Wuthering Waves for two reasons 1. i dont want to be in another gacha maximum i will play zzz but other that naaah this probably main reason but 2. i hate that moderns games(more especifically the fans) are putting down other games like palworld with pokemon or wathever was the lego fortnite thing with minecraft, etc like i remember when genshin was realesed i dont remember people saying that it was a better botw but that if you like botw that you should try genshin because it was similar but unique but this rise of toxicity make me to not be interested with newer games

[@shonenhikada9254]

Can already tell your account is fake and you work for Hoyo.

[@bruhmemes3668]

Okay bro 👍

[@dZ0dUd3R]

The Depth of illusive realm might look like Simulated Universe, but it's actually taken inspiration more from Elysian Realm in Honkai Impact.

[@AzureAetherXx]

I don't really think that WuWa is going to kill Genshin. I think that was always a naïve outlook on the game but especially post launch where WuWa sort of feels like an open beta rather than a full release, I think its pretty safe to say that the "Genshin killer" title is even less likely to be a thing. I hope WuWa gets better because right now its not quite up to par I feel. I have had a lot of audio and visual bugs in my time playing it. I have also yet to have a real "wow" moment like I did with early Genshin.

[@christophermauro-barias7451]

yup Kuro games leaking your email and basically saying to talk to your bank about refunds and that they will put your account into negative and wont refund for the x2 top up first time. Best thing for genshin indeed.

[@Bullminator]

We havent seen any good evidence for this yet. Like a recorded phone call. Only random posts. There is also a chance that there is a scam in progress by 3rd party pretending they are kuro.

[@christophermauro-barias7451]

@@Bullminator lol i talked to someone on reddit that got the same email as the one from JP in english. the proof is there but if you wanna be oblivious and blind thats okay.

[@Bullminator]

@@christophermauro-barias7451 .....reddit......lies....a lot..... I seen so much missinformation from there, that i dont consider it a trusted source. (same for twitter)

[@Antithesis_72]

@@christophermauro-barias7451 no it does not fit the narrative the WuWa glazing CCs have set out

[@christophermauro-barias7451]

@@Antithesis_72 ya its perfect

[@qpht7409]

I don't play Wuthering Wave, but from what I see the "end game" here 7:45, isn't that like Elysium Realm in Honkai Impact 3rd? even changing how the character play, or choosing random buffs after completing a room

[@WardLett]

Well rogue-lite/rogue-like genre exist.. if you want example, try "Hades"... pretty much same as Elysian Realm.

[@qpht7409]

@@WardLett Yeah I know that Been playing that game for a while

[@qpht7409]

@@WardLett Elysian Realm doesn't reset the run when you lose so I'm hesitate to call it roguelike/lite

[@WardLett]

@@qpht7409 between Roguelite/Like, one of them has the "reset run/permadeath" your thinking. But some of those actually got Meta progression. like upgrades to make subsequent run more easier. both of those genre are confusing. But both of them will have the following: *random generated level *random enemies *random upgrades within runs The only thing that makes Elysian Realm different from any roguelite/like is---- A surpingsingly good story.

[@qpht7409]

@@WardLett Yeah that's another thing. The enemies layout in ER is the exact same within a cycle. the only thing that's roguelike/lite is the random buff rewards

[@oyshikaadi9631]

Now, if Kuro could at least stop shooting themselves in their foot...

[@TheGwilwileth]

I’m a Genshin player, over 3 years. A happy Genshin player…. I also play WuWa, and it’s a fun game. Though I am done with the story so far. Will see if I am still playing WuWa in 6 months. The combat is not that difficult in WuWa either…

[@Bullminator]

Personaly i wana trash genshin (and only finish its story) as soon as AP comes out. WW is more or a sideproject.

[@negspirito]

@@Bullminator god, please stay away from AP

[@izzahzemino9436]

@@negspiritowhat is AP

[@eureka137]

touch hologram content boss until difficult 4 bro and say it again the combat in wuwa not that difficult💀

[@negspirito]

@@izzahzemino9436 Azur Promilia. Think Palworld crossed with Genshin, but no husbandos

[@earthbit.]

Here’s my hot take: I don’t like the wall running in this game. Or even the lip vaulting thing you can do. What’s the point of having cliffs and mountains if you’re not going to let them be an obstacle? I almost think the climbing in Genshin is too fast. I prefer Zelda’s approach, except for the rain making climbing impossible. Mountains should shape your gameplay experience and invite creative solutions to navigating them, or failing that, there should at least be a few pathways up/through them that people clearly use. If you allow effortless scaling of cliff faces, hell, just get rid of them since you obviously don’t have any interest in making them more, well, interesting.

[@not0mrh]

I like it better this way. Why remove terrains, when its purpose is to add verticality to a game?

[@TheGwilwileth]

Very true. In Gen the environment that we need to traverse through is part of the story, part of our journey. Each region tells a story. I’m a Gen player over 3 years now, and I am playing WuWa. It’s fun so far but a side game for me. Running up mts is fun for now, and funny lol… but how integral to the journey is the landscape?

[@zendao7967]

This game has great potential. But not enough for me to make a switch from Genshin for 3 reasons: 1. The story: way too confusing, has way too many unnecessary expositions, boring cliche chap 1 ending. 2. The environment design: Sevicable. Not anywhere near as wow-inducing as Genshin however. 3. Character design: The current cast's design is not very enticing at the moment. Not to mention the Bugs and performance issues. I'd hold off for now and see how things develop.

[@OsaZen992]

I haven't gotten very far into WuWa, so I havent done the late game modes, but so far the game really feels like it should have been delayed a few months. The world feels really empty to me, the area around where you start has a lot to do and then the areas surrounding the paths you will go if you follow the story has stuff to do, but if you stray from the path of the story you find an empty field with 3 enemies that die in 2 hits. The movement feels stiff, and the only part of it I really enjoy is that you can run on walls. I really don't understand the choice to have a mid-air dash that goes up and forwards and a grappling hook that takes you up and forward. Why give us two dashes that go the same direction, why not have a mid-air jump instead of the dash? They are just the same ability twice, but one can be used one time per jump, while the other has a cooldown. The story has not been good. I think I have finished Chapter 1 Act 4, and so far only one part of the story was the slightest bit interesting, but that was told in such a boring way that it ruined any interest I had in that part of the story. Do these problems I have with the game mean it's not worth playing? No. If you have any interest in the game I suggest you try it. I didn't love my experience with the game so far, but I absolutely wouldn't call it bad, so I'm going to keep playing until I get bored or find some other game I would rather spend my time playing.

[@lefetellc6247]

The mobs dying in two hits might just be a world level thing; when you advance to sol-3 , give or take it, it requires a couple more hits before the mob finally dies (Not to mention that bosses aren't just sponges like Genshin, but have a lot of mechanics which are upgraded as your progress) Hopefully you can ascend more and get a better experience of Wuwa! Happy gaming! :D

[@poklours4257]

Quite frankly, the one good point in Wuwa is the combat, and it takes a lot to understand it, so I think the game won't be great at drawing in and keeping new players.

[@columbinadamselettefan]

2:04 cant really say that 2 games made by the same company copied eachother

[@jordanazerad123]

Would love to see more wuthering waves videos on this channel. Your genshin videos still the best on the platform and would love to see those analysis put onto another game

[@CosmicGabe]

Man I love your videos, you're genuinely one of the more chill unbiased content creators out there and I find myself agreeing with you alot. Please keep it up and never hold back!

[@cjwat1118]

One thing that doesn’t detract from Wuwa’s amazing combat is that it doesn’t have as passionate and creative a voice cast for English dub. Not a bad thing, just I’m more biased towards Genshin and StarRail VAs who do among us, gacha pulls, etc.

[@GrowingLamby]

Give it some time. The game just launched afterall. Thou it also might be a different situation since the EN studio is British

[@cjwat1118]

@@GrowingLamby Well, the EN dub for Wuwa is never going to be doing Among Us, Mario Kart/Party, or gacha pull streams together. So they'll just never have the same passion and creative energy.

[@NiramBG]

I will say, one thing I was genuinely surprised by - is how much I like the character designs in Wuwa! I was expecting not to like them as much because the world is supposed to be more muted, but they've done a great job at designing them visually. Personality wise they could stand to improve quite a bit, but if HSR has proved me anything visually appealing characters with good gameplay is enough for most people, so I think the game really has staying power.

[@thatalbeeguy]

star rail characters have at least some resemblance of personality and are not just walking pieces of beautiful cardboard

[@God_Bones]

It took 4 days for me to uninstall Wuwa. I wasn't interested in it at all but I still wanted to try it out to see if I would like it. Spoilers: I did not like it. What draws me into hsr and genshin is mainly the story and world building, and the severe lack of an actual good story in wuwa really dampened my playing experience. I dont care if it gets better in the final act or whatever; it has to be good from the start to keep people interested. The only reason i even continued with act 1 is because of Scar. He was the only interesting and cool character out of all the ones we met thus far. I think the combat is fine, i didnt have many issues. I just find it funny that you can defeat a lvl 120 enemy with lvl 40 characters. The echoes system is also something that has its pros and cons. I like that it forces you to explore and whatnot but it can feel very overwhelming once you realize how much there is. I didnt want to force myself to play the game because its the new hype. I did initially want to play to pull for Yinlin but the grind was dreadful and i was so exhausted just thinking about playing this game that lags and on the 4th day i just defeated the aforementioned lvl 120 enemy and logged off. And on said 4th day I realized I did not enjoy my time playing so I uninstalled.

[@Maloooon]

Sadly the story doesn't get better. So while the combat is pretty fun I decided to just skip the game as well. I can't get the motivation to log in every day and farming gear if I don't feel for the story and world.

[@paulportillo5128]

What do you mean the story does not get good?

[@ibrahim5463]

Genshin story was and i mean it, really bad, mondstadt and liyu had a great end but a terrible early to mid story The real reason you left wuwu is because of it charechter desing, compared to genshin(hsr too) charechters visualy are way more appealing, i did not need to know venti diluc or jean lore i just need to take one look at their gacha art and desing to understand them, Wuwu is kinda mid, wich is understandable, to put it in another term nasu(creator of fate) did an interview with some member of Hsr team and he said that when looking at hoyo early work and charechter he felt that these charechter represent what members on the team think is cool and not what anyone else think is If you went back in time and made hoyo create and open world gacha they will create something more in line with WuWu than genshin, i mean they kinda did with honkai impac a post apocolyptic game(wow would you look at that wuwu and tower of fantasy are both post apocolyps), even mondstadt green field, inazuma islands and liyu mounten are more memroable than any zone in wuwu, and do not get me started on soundtrack or music Tldr genshin succses is in philosophy that is diffrent than almost all other gacha(wich is the more reason to be sad that it gotten stagnate over the years) Funny thing i tried both genshin and honkai3rd, i left both after like 3 days of playing but i returned to genshin and stuck with it

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

TBF 60% of players came for the gameplay and freebies not for the story, I mean not everyone enjoys stories in games.

[@God_Bones]

@@ibrahim5463 I'm going to be blunt, I have no idea what youre saying and why youre bringing all that up. And nah bruh, I left wuwa because its boring, and not because of whatever you were saying about character design. I have no idea where you got that assumption from

[@dragon3dnet]

Thank you for pointing out how much the interface looks like Hoyoverse games. I am very much enjoying WuWa but the copying of the UI systems, shop and energy currencies, and monetization packs really surprised me. If it didn't say "Kuro" on the start screen I could have sworn it was just another entry in the Hoyoverse line of games.

[@VeraExora]

No one mentions Tacet Fields, which is the way to farm 1 and 3 cost Echoes in bulk. They are, for the most part, just like Artifact domains

[@nobody-xh6ii]

Except it's not worth it when you already have to: deal with boss farming for 60 resin per run [no excuse on why the fk it costs so much] 40 for resonator/weapon exp. Weapon and skill mats. So on top of all of this the echo farming is a real pain in the ass thanks to the rng for its buffs, not being able to convert echos into exp items to level up echos, and the "gaurintee" for the echos being a specific type not actually a gaurintee in the one you want specifically because now you gotta use 40 resin in hopes of getting an electro buff instead of the glacier one for example... The resin system costing so damn much across the board being the most frustrating part..

[@aliffirdaus6986]

Funny thing is if not look as Genshin copy this is more DMC, Zelda and Nier gameplay fuse and put Genshin and HSR aspect in it.

[@Zharque]

Kuro just leaked the email addresses of like a hundred whales in Japan so look out for more compensation lol.

[@echo3568]

What

[@Ekamin1]

You say echos are good but how do you level them up or tune them? You need to farm those material with stamina. Now on top of farming echos you need to farm another 2 things.

[@Eula-Simp898]

I like the game i decide to uninstall it because in cutscene was disappointed because there's no music while i turn on the music and the voice acting was decent but Japanese was more better but im okay with it since I like the game but i prefer playing genshin impact because it's just i just like earning primogems for any character i want in genshin impact and i feel that Wuthering Waves will be the same endgame as genshin soon

[@nexcorvus7854]

When I heard that you can farm Echo's on the field....My Diablo 4 PTSD is coming back

[@torroche2195]

Ive had to unistall, I unfortunately was one of though effected by the stuttering and fame drops etc. bare in mind I play all my games on a gaming laptop less two years old and have my internet run directly into the laptop through a wire. The whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth, then the story (the reason I play most games) had nothing that hooked me in, and the moment we started to play general with literally no memory brought back bad memories of Wheel of Time. Im glad people are enjoying but my enjoyment has been runied and I'm not sure they could bring me back. Best of luck though to everyone playing 🙂

[@blanc2181]

You'll be glad to know that in less than a week since launched, performance has almost doubled for most folk! Definitely think the performance will be up to par with most games by 1.1! Sorry to hear the story hasnt worked for you though :(

[@shinju.elysia]

@@blanc2181 really? i feel like everyone's lag stopped after updates and im the only one with lag left. i hope what u said is true and theyll continue to optimize stuff and fix the lag i hope its not just me

[@blanc2181]

@@shinju.elysia well it also depends on type of lag. Stuttering and freezing and crashing are the main ones that were causing problems beforehand that most people have reported to be fixed. The game is more difficult to run than Genshin is in general, so lots of people have fps lag that's constant, and that's gonna be hard to fix. I do think they will try to make it easier to run regardless

[@kylegreen6711]

@@shinju.elysiaNah, I’m still crashing literally every 3-5 minutes in WuWa whereas Genshin and Star Rail run smooth.

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

@@blanc2181 One thing I hate about Wuwa is that it has no grass density settings, it's the only thing that makes my game literally unplayable due to severe FPS drop

[@shinigamiryan5837]

I haven't touched Genshin in over 2 years (around 2.2-2.3) and gave WuWa a try to see if it could do more for me: it did not. The whole time I feel like I'm playing a less polished Genshin and asking myself why I don't just go back to Genshin. Sure, the combat is fun, but the use of colors on different attack types, the lack of audio cues, server pinging plaguing me, and much more made me just find myself not enjoying the experience. I beat the story and did all the side stories up to Union level 34 and I could not remember much, if at all. The story was horrible (personally neither act 3 or 5-6 didn't move anything) and no character left a single positive impression. By the time I'm at the end boss, the audio bug had made me miss many of the osts and the last boss fight made me swear there were cut lines of dialogue that weren't playing. Upon research, I was just missing the ost, which was all right. While Genshin had a fine starting story, I at least can still name the cast, remember the plot, and find some enjoyment. Here? I wish I could name more than maybe 3-5 characters if I'm being generous. While I do think Genshin does deserve competition, this feels a lot like Tower of Fantasy all over again. Buggy launch, people labeling it a Genshin Killer, and so on. Yet having played it and trying to get a vibe: I'm not sure it can offer Genshin much in the way of feedback. It's too much Genshin and more endgame doesn't really do much when Hoyoverse has admitted that less than 10% of their audience even engages in it. Let alone this game also seems to lack what makes a lot of their characters popular. I geniunely mean this, but without proper exploration and relating to characters in a story: these characters are nothing more than the new toy that will be power crept. Jiyan's story quest did have a lot of positives, but it also still falls apart when remembering that he has a track record of abandoning his troops that some people joke Yapyap took his place in the final act, so he doesn't just abandon them again. Let alone half the cast show up once and are never seen again or tiger boy's whole side story is a mini-event, two hours of chit-chat and little to no combat. And while the traversing mechanics are great, the world it exists in also feels very shallow with nothing to really sink into you. After doing all the side quests, the world becomes even more samey and due to how landmarks blend in: the map almost becomes needed to even remember where anything is for myself. Genshin I didn't really have this issue as it did have two locations at launch and far more defined features that stuck out. And what cool stuff does exist, is of little consequence. Though character designs are a whole bag of problems for me. generally, I'm pretty positive on character designs across an array of gachas (Arknights, Reverse 1999, FGO, Blue Archive, Hoyo games, etc), yet these ones are probably the most plain ones around. Like nothing about them convey what they're suppose to do or who they are. Jiyan is a handsome guy, but beyond his spear: if I hadn't played the game: I couldn't tell you he's a General. Calcharo isn't even in the story, so I wouldn't know he's a mercenary if he didn't stop mentioning it. And so on. So, I'd like designs to incorporate what they're trying to convey more as right now: they aren't really strong beyond being pretty. I myself probably won't return, but I do wish Kuro the best of luck (especially stopping with making new ways to make your consumer base question your management) and to do better. There's potential, but as it stands: either you like it or you don't. I'm in the latter. I could probably go on, but for msyelf I have found my time in WuWa to be very much just that: an experience. it certainly is a game, but much like ToF: it will probably fall to the way side if the fixes don't come with more overall changes to get it out of the shadow of Genshin.

[@devilkazumi578]

I'm loving ww tbh it made me play genshin less

[@ITZBROKENhotDOG12]

Most bootlicker comment I ever read.

[@lefetellc6247]

I’d like to ask: are you okay? I know people have gotten far into the game, but being union level 34 is no joke - i think you might be a little sleep deprived and should get some rest, please Secondly, i’d like to shoot down a few points you made; in hopes that you’ll view Wuwa in a better light 1/ The bugs currently are no joke, but Genshin as well as many other games experienced hard issues that made the playerbase at times think about wether they wanted to stay or drop the game. One example for Genshin was Sumeru's Kaveh incident, and the 1.0 Artifact system where they dropped on the gound (leading players to use a venti and shoot it all away) Eventually, these issues are gonna be smoothened out and polished with time, it's only been about a week and a couple days since the game's dropped. The release week of a game is crucial to fix the problems, and so far Kuro has done an excellent job with this. Not every issue has been fixed, but that's because it's fixing every issue at once, on top of the optimization and JP problems I'm a big enthusiast on Wuwa's character designs because it's actually a lot more deep than meets the eye; 2/ ** Sanhua has this sheer glare after every atk she makes. Aalto's cape enunciates his figure and makes it more broad/open , adding to his extroverted personality. Mortefi is literally a scientist and spends his time indoors with the rest of the researchers (hence his obvious labcoat) Scar's many belts constricting his body is reminiscent of a straight jacket (go figure) Lingyang's pants are ruffle just like a liondancer's. There's a lot of design choices in Wuwa that people just don't get, because they're more focused on the colors instead of the clothing itself. From a designer perspective, things make a lot more sense. (I'm not saying I am one, I just was able to look beyond color schemes) Of course, I do argue that Toaqi looks nothing like she is supposed to be. Feels strange to know what her actual occupation is compared to her clothes. 3/ The fact you can't remember character's name might have a little to do with how each character is predominantly foreign (as in Chinese names). Or, it could also do with the fact that the game hasn't been given 3 years to develop + a few more years to have its beta like Genshin. That you'd be able to experience more events, storylines, companion quests, ect. I'm not sure, it could be either one. I'm leaning into the time bit though I don't want to continue because this is becoming way too long and I feel like some sort of keyboard warrior, but hopefully you get what I mean! Wuwa is still trying to fix its issues as I said, and it just needs more time to figure out all the quirks and bugs happening

[@shinigamiryan5837]

@@lefetellc6247 I'm very fine and getting to union level 34 wasn't that hard. I slept my usual schedule and worked my part-time job, so it wasn't like I had any health issues. As for your response, I'm more than happy to reply one by one: 1.) The Kaveh incident I'm aware of as it's often missing the context that it wasn't a bug, that was directly a result of hackers. While Hoyo has had numerous bugs and localization errors (2FA not be enabling for awhile, Raiden's C6 not being translated properly, and so on): WuWa's cases are much more blatant and far more in the face of the player to the point that they affect the experience. Audio being one of the biggest paired with poor localization and especially in English, a very bad voice direction. I will applaud them for hotfixing the game and working at it, this also makes me very concerned as this is far more crunch for putting out this many for AA game (the closet comparison would be Helldivers II in the space that usually spaces them by a week, so daily hot fixes are not stellar for the health of devs). 2.) I think you're missing why I mentioned character designs not working for me. In particular, while they're fine in a bubble, they do not mesh well from interaction with the environment. Sanhau is one who bugs me not due to her eyes, but with how modern her attire is. It feels awkward as npcs are often split between a feudal attire and modern attire that doesn't look right in what is clearly a post-apocalypse world that's been existing for some time. Aalto's cape is fine, but he dresses and has white: it's so much white that his smoke is not really bringing much to the table or doing much more than presenting just 'white'. I can go on, but the issue isn't these characters in a bubble. It's that they don't fit the world they're in. This is in particular when character arcs are trying to convey something, but half the time I'm trying to even make heads or tail of what they're role is. Mortefi is a scientist, but his draconic aspects and use of flames are played down when he's only really interacting early or in side points that can be ignored. But at the same time, Scar's design with the belts and such don't do much as it also bleeds over into 'joker' territory. Neat, but the story doesn't really lend to it when every character gives the PC the benefit of the doubt and more, so he's all edge no substance and not to short after, bind making the belts a bit of moot point. So, while they're cool anime designs: they don't at all work when the npcs are split so down the line, next to ruins of a dead world that is based on our modern world, mixed with cyberpunk, and fantasy in one. It's too much and leads into me also finding four colors use way more aggressively: black, white, red, and if we're feeling cute, pink. 3.) Foreigns names aren't an issue when Japanese, Portuguese, Spanish, German, and so on are names I'm often exposed to via where I live, media I consume, and so on. No, I don't remember names because most characters do not give me much of a reason to. Scar, Encore, and Jiyan are 3 I remember as there really the only exceptions I find from the story giving me something to work with. Aalto I mainly remember as a himbo, since that's how they sell him as his name isn't too relevant. But on the other hand: I can remember many names of Genshin with ease from Venti, Hu Tao, Furina, Alhaitam, and so on. Different regions, but even when not playing: the names and characters leave a stronger impression. I could do some examples from other media franchises, but WuWa is in particular one I find not hooking me with any of their names nor use of music terms (despite the fact that Soul Eater that I love basically does the same thing). I do wish Kuro the best, but I also just have no hook. For all it offers, it doesn't have much substance for me and that's perfectly fine. Though i'd rather be clear on that. It has potential, but the fixing the bugs alone aren't going to be a solution to the bigger problems.

[@lefetellc6247]

@@shinigamiryan5837 ty super much for replying (My reply might sound kinda choppy tho so bear with me) I think Aalto’s design choice (having white all over) id there to enunciate his extroverted figure(hence cape) but the black shirt underneath may be there to symbolize how he might be hiding a darker past underneath his white, innocent facade (hence white all over) this is all speculate there tho so dont take that too uh idk For the character designs, I thpught they fit quite well with the world. Jinzhou itself is city where people live to hide away from the sufferings outside. The wall which rpotects them (the big defenses of the midnight rangers as well) helps the people live modern, normal lives without worry (hence the modern designs) I assume the cyberpunk theme especially comes from their technology advancing with the help of their sentinels guiding them (as in letting them prosper, live longer, giving them advice in advancement) They might clash, but i don’t think it’s out of place(?) where it’s like a bog red thumb I’d say that most of the themes are good because you can give an explanation/reason for them Also! I reaaaaly wanted to show u so,ething I’ve found out by playing wuwa. Notice, a lot of character have little squiggles pr writings on their clothes? It’s a big jinzhou motif. Also, pretty much all playable characters in Wuwa have this small, flower like motif as a pin or decoration on their clothes (you can see what I mean by looking at the Liondance stage) Mortefi’s dragon side is kinda emphasized a lot more in his atk rather than the story so this might come across as irrelevant xd But if I were a dragon demihuman, I don’t think i’d want to shove it into people’s faces like hey! I have scales! I have fire! 🔥 Mortefi is typically very prim and proffessional, fitting into his role of being a researcher/ scientist. Mortefi is also a 4*/ side character, so ig it makes sense that he doesn’t appear much in the story (Characters like chongyun, green fox shy girl, blond short boy who’s from mondstat(?), faruzan, are just a few of the side characters from Genshin who didn’t have important roles in their main story. They’re mostly there just to help progress side quests, or for events like the poetry event w/ chongyun, noelle, and blond mondstat boy not too long ago) This makes me have hopes Mortefi will show more of his dragon-like side or simply just a[pear more importantly/oftenly in future events/stories Also also! I chose thpse characters, specifically chpngyun, because it’s not immediate who they are unless you look at their idles, atk, ect Mika (i jn figured out his name) is excusable since his entire outfit is adventurer-like Btw i’m looking specifically at their in-game models since in Mortefi’s splash art shows his fire-likeness. And i’m pretty sure you were refering to ingame models anyway I’m not reslly sure what you’re trying to say about Scar’s design being np substance - it might just me being confused by wordplay idk I’ll look at it later For the world part- i’d say there’s a good cut between characters who show the savageness of the ruins and character who live in the residentual-part of Jinzhou The Exiles are a great example of the ruins that are the world - they have gas masks and rough colors/ clothing that makes them seem more primal Characters in Jinzhou, like construction workers, fit well into their environment. They have muscles because they’re working out all day moving and lifting, not to mention the npcs in the shops and pharmacies around Jinzhou who have special designs to make them fit in while also standing out from the regular citizens To cut it short: a lot of the designs in Wuwa do make sense, the construction workers, midnight rangers, npcs, those all fit together in their environment For the playable character, they too, resemble where they came from. There’s even a detail sbout their terminals: Encore and Aalto both have the New Federation Terminal (a white gourd) while Jinzhou characters bear a black and gold gourd with a symbol of sentinel Jué on them (Super sorry to bring up genshin again) but characters like Eula, Ganyu, and Nahida always strike me as off because ypu can’t tell me what they are (And npw that O think about it, yeah, characters don’t resemble their occupation in both games) Urghhh my head hurts and I don’t wanna continue, i might continue later but this is all I pieced together for now I’m still confused abt the scar part and the not working well part Oh and for aggressive colors! I’m pretty sure it’s because Wuwa has a set design: everything lacks color, so that the lighting can do its work and fix(?) things together themself It’s how in the Havoc Rover-part cutscene, the dark and dreary environment helped to put emphasis on the Fem Crownless who had a bright, bright shining eye/star(?) behind her. Wuwa utilizes lighting and brightness to put emphasis on important things. Character likley don’t have colors bc they’re meant to be shown in storyline/ visual effects (sword slashes, fire effects like mortefi, baizhi’s glowing hand when attacking, ect.)

[@marcusaurelius4777]

Unfortunately Kurogames is flopping hard. Released sensitive data from customers...had the wrong TL for JP folks so they literally got scammed on a weapon, which wasn't intentional, but it's still a BIG nono and for JP that enjoys Gacha, that's...not great. It has a LOT of things borrowed from Genshin, which isn't bad, mind you, but as Genshin borrowed from other games, it was ITS OWN GAME with ITS OWN VISION (no pun intended). HYV was confident in THEIR product...Kuro is just chasing trends with this and seeing if it works out. That's the problem. They literally rewrote the story based on feedback with NO TIME to polish it. HYV seems like it "doesn't listen" but they do...they are just confident in what they interate and put their own spin on things versus listening verbatim to what gamers are saying. People THINK they know what they want, but they really don't most of the time. They have a vague idea. This is killing Kuro right now that's just reacting, not being proactive. They could have legit just left things alone, but there are so many bugs now because they are rushing everything because they listened too much.

[@nobody-xh6ii]

There's also the issue that jiyan's weapon is still suffering issues. In EN it says 2 stacks. Overseas it says 3. This is a big issue because now you don't know what's the actual advertisement or not. Meaning if it is 3 stacks it needs to state that. But if it's saying 3 and it's only giving 2 that means it's another scam on top of that due to false advertisement of what the dmg output should be.

[@theglobalwarming6081]

Well, with this flop of a product in the beginning, it can only go up xD

[@yeetuspatronus1050]

Oohhhh yesss my favourite genre of game development story. Suffering PR, programmers, artist and designer crunching hard until the last minutes before launch because the higher up said so. Why? Because they listened to players TOO MUCH

[@sanjeethmahendrakar]

I fail to see how WuWa and Genshin are competing with each other when the core player base for each game is wildly different. Genshin is for Casuals and WuWa is for the Hardcores. WuWa is more difficult, more grind heavy and more time intensive. I think most players who already hated how simple genshin was have most probably stopped playing long ago. And I don't see what WuWa has done to entice genshin's casual playerbase to come over to them. My prediction for WuWa is that they'll be a bit more popular/successful than other Kuro games but I don't think they're gonna make much of a dent in the overall gacha game scene. Hell last i checked they were right along the level of the Solo leveling gacha game.

[@AXL.]

They're the same fvcking game 😂 just pick your poison, and move on

[@NiramBG]

nah, wuwa is not hardcore, at least not at the start, I'm a decent ways in and all I've done is unga bunga everything with one character and when they get too low I heal them with a healer. As for the endgame we're still not there yet, so who knows, it might end up like genshin where our gear is so good that you just stomp on everything.

[@TheGwilwileth]

@@NiramBG Exacty, agree completely…

[@sanjeethmahendrakar]

@@NiramBG kinda disagree because of one reason: the hologram fights. These bosses demand that you be good at the game mechanics such as dodging and parrying otherwise you'd get one shot. And I don't think the gear is gonna help in preventing that. That type of fights only occur in genshin whenever there's a temporary boss event like the one that is going on right now. So it's definitely a more hardcore game.

[@asdfasdf11835]

Difficult my ass, i never game over in wuwa while early genshin 3 abyss mage or 2 ruin hunter can destory your team easily.

[@actnow5927]

Really hope the figure out the controller support for mobile and make a platform port really soon. Playing on my laptop is a nightmare.

[@5daydreams]

I hope WuWa doesn't kill Genshin. So long as there is NO MONOPOLY, the players win. The moment there is a single titan, we are all fucked, and no company has any reason to try harder, lol

[@stayysilver]

You do not have to use a support to complete your dailies in HSR. Spending your resin and dispatching an assignment is enough.

[@whisper3856]

IMO Depths of Illusive Realm is much more akin to Elysian Realm than Simulated Universe.

[@Apt23-v8u]

Exactly

[@thatalbeeguy]

basically genshin with better combat but more grind (echoes are a cool system but farming them is just not worth the time man, dailies are awful), worse story and non-existent music direction. This game ost is so fucking lame thats insane. Even the hyped final boss theme is just straight up mid (literally arknights SSS bgm lmao). I mean... This game is not bad per say, it's just that it was released so rushly, and now after whatever is happening in jp with the mistranslation (apparently instead of refunding the thing they refund the currency you used so you go into negative if you dont have enough, which is absolutely idiotic), Kuro have lost every bit of faith from me. PGR may be a stellar game gameplay-wise, but the actual quality of the product after multiple years of profits says a lot about their priorities... They do only the bare minimum to keep the thing afloat (and yes all the rewards we got was literally the bare minimum since the launch was so rushed and horrific. generous companies do not create gacha games to begin with, quit the fantasies).

[@AngryLad_80]

don't know anything about PGR. the music is okay, needs a lot of work. Not as memorable yet. Story will get infinitely better, I can assure you. But I don't get what you mean by Echoes aren't worth getting?? Can you elaborate on that one?

[@thatalbeeguy]

@@AngryLad_80 In my eyes, any grind is basically you trading your irl time for something ingame in return. Echoes take too much work to get (3 cost and 1 cost ones). I hate the idea of having to literally go mintpick. I wish they added some sort of a domain so that I could get them with way less hassle, even if at a lower rate. Echo's UI is very clamped and just daunting to look at. In a single small image there is: who equipped, what element, what rarity, what set, what monster, what level and all clamped into a small image that you see a lot of. Echoes are a cool concept but are very poorly implemented as of now. I might come back and play after they release the game out of public beta, but as of now this game is just not worth my time. The game is severely undercooked and after what they've done with jp, all faith in kuro is lost for me. They do bare minimum just like any other company, but for that, I have hoyo. I don't need another one

[@newfacepaula]

and then a few months later it will ended being like another what is it? Tower of Fantasy or something? like come on... let folks play whatever hell they want... it's like saying World of Warcraft is dead because of Final Fantasy 14... when WoW is pretty much alive with Classic and the current one.

[@Silent_Depths]

@Ratheil Pins (saved locations of the level map system) are an additional burden to your player file, which is essentially your save game, and in actuality a lot more than that when networking and multiplayer are involved. Limiting such things means your game loads faster upon connecting to the server, lessens the frequency of crashes, prevents overflow issues etc. Server storage for player files may also be limited due to a high number of player accounts or specific limits can be design decisions to direct player interaction with the game world in certain way.

[@maingrader4434]

Maybe wuthering wasn't meant for me shit doesn't run smoothly for the life of me, whats the point of rewards when I cant play the game

[@atomotron]

I'd play both, but the issue is the dash/dodge mechanic. In Genshin, your character will dash forward, while in WW she will go backwards. This throws me off every time: like, why would I want to go back when the enemy I want to hit is already backing away from me? Fortunately, you CAN play GI battles the same way you play WW. You can't do the opposite though. So for me, genshin wins simply because it allows more distinct types of combat.

[@kulonstep69]

nah bro. you just not get used to it.

[@atomotron]

@@kulonstep69 but I can't get used to it, because of all the issues WW have with autotargeting, camera management and lack of game options. When I decide what game to spend my free time on, the only redeeming feature of WW is unknown world I want to explore. I don't look forward to combat in this game, like, at all. This should have been the main selling point, and yet...

[@kulonstep69]

@@atomotron its oke. so its not your cup of tea. since your opinion is subjective, for me I'm dont have a problem to get used to Wuwa mechanic. about auto targeting n such is just ok coz its only matter when battling mobs, I love challenging bosses more than mobs. I've experienced more worst mechanic in other game so this just tiny problem.

[@sarojandongol1482]

It just runs absolute dogshiet on my system. Wanted to give to it a try but took me a good hour to update and verify the launcher. Then almost a couple hours to verify files in the game again. And when game finally finished loading I was greeted with horrible performance on the lowest settings. UI elements like the interact button took like 3-5 seconds to appear on everything like flowers and characters. Ig that'd fix itself if I moved wuwa to my ssd but the sad performance doesn't justify doing that for me. Kinda a shame coz from what little I did play I did find the character switching combat kinda interesting and the echoes system cool. Next day gave it another try and there was a small patch so I had to go through the hellish verification phase again. 🗿 My system does run Genshin on max settings and most ue4 games on medium settings. Heck even palworld as horrible running as it was was at launch was more playable than wuwa is rn for me. So idk what to put of it.

[@nobody-xh6ii]

Did you turn everything off such as motion blur and anti-alias and the like? That's what helpped me

[@negspirito]

Have you tried running Genshin in the background? Apparently that can help improve WuWa's performance

[@rabbits2345]

I like the game after a week of playing, my biggest dislike is how blatantly they ripped off Genshin. Every single system, mechanic, whatever is identical with a new name. Yes, they added some spin to the combat and artifact farming, but it doesn't feel substantial enough to justify how much they directly ripped off. Genshin solidly disproved it was just anime botw, I don't see that happening for wuwa since it copied so many core mechanics.

[@Quantumsaber]

The combat is actually just honkai impact combat lmao

[@bencegergohocz5988]

They never wanted to not be a shameless genshin ripoff. That's their main source of marketing.

[@yourlocalyanfei]

Well, the reason they use a lot of the same stuff is because that stuff works really well. Also, they’re in the same genre so of course a lot of system stuff is gonna be the same or at least very similar

[@HonestToCritic]

​@@yourlocalyanfeiThat excuse the UI also looking aesthetically identical... 🤷

[@yourlocalyanfei]

@@HonestToCritic idk what would you want the icons to look like? They’re not exactly the same, there is some detail differences. I think that those kinds of icons are really good at communicating what is what. I don’t think it’s copying, I think it’s just the best and most efficient option. Besides, Genshin and wuwa are far from the only ones to have this kind of UI. There are other gacha games like this, they just aren’t as big as these two

[@plvto1]

honestly i just want a console release. I'd love to get immersed in ww on my big screen. but honestly I'm a bit disappointed at just how much they copied genshin. i WANT to distinguish it from genshin but it's like the game itself doesn't want you to. from the ui design to some of the gameplay/mechanics. me and my friends joked that ww is just "genshin dark mode".

[@TheGwilwileth]

“Genshin dark mode” hilarious…. and kinda true.

[@turothescrub6830]

The gameplay is completely different idk if we played the same game dawg

[@plvto1]

​@@turothescrub6830 that's why i said some.. please reread my comment

[@kingalex105x7]

I can barely open and play the game so for me it still has alot of issues like lag but it seems to slowly get better

[@stipzgaming]

@3:05 Daily Quest in WuWa is waaaays better than doing dailies in Genshin, because you could just play the game and clear the dailies as you go, exception to the crafting as a daily quest because no one really crafts weapons daily. In Genshin you have to be at a specific place to do a specific thing and there is no nation that doesn't have annoying dailies (Flora's Dragonspine errands in Mondstadt, Sun Yu's headache medicine in Liyue, Shouta's useless prayers in Inazuma, Sareh's Cat hunting in Sumeru, and Depierris' never ending painting woes in Fontaine) and not to mention having to go back and talk to Katheryne to claim the rewards. Calling it worse and comparing it to HSR is just... wrong because HSR isn't an open world for dailies to become a problem. Most of WuWa is enjoyable, but again unlike Hoyoverse which doesn't really listen well to player feedback a lot are being address. looking forward to WuWa's growth.

[@Aegisu]

Already uninstalled WW. The best thing that WW did was the memes it produced, which far more enjoyable than the game itself. Plus all the "oopsies" they keep doing on a daily basis. Hopefully Kurogames will be able to fix, fast, all its main issues, because ZZZ and more importatly AP are coming out.

[@devilkazumi578]

Have fun in ZZZ (:

[@xMACSI02x]

WuWa looks cool but I already have enough with Genshin and I'm also waiting for ZZZ. I don't think I can balance 3 gacha/live service games and enjoy them properly on top of all the other crap I'm also playing lol I do hope it does well tho (and not just because it might press Hoyo/Genshin to be better and a bit more generous)

[@demonlordcodm8980]

I just hope that they have more endgame modes like hsr

[@Hussinali121]

wuthering waves might not be as good as i expected it to be, and surely it wont kill genshin but the fact that genshin will improve just because of wuthering waves' existence is a good reason for me to respect wuthering waves

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

The only thing that can kill Genshin is the incompetent mindset of the higher ups and the devs and toxic minority of the community

[@novyknec1113]

The echo system wont age well, its even more grindy and annoying than genshin and tof.

[@Bullminator]

Not rly. Endgame players will just use the daily currency on leylines that drop specific echos. Only ones that are kinda limited are crane echoes for fire element.

[@calebstephan2083]

Dumbest take ever

[@the8flo1]

Like Rathell said, some people enjoy the grind.

[@nobody-xh6ii]

I'm not enjoying the grind honestly. Bosses for mats already cost 60. Materials for leveling are 40. Everything nearly costs 40 resin to do. The resin is 240 yet the AMOUNT you can do with it is pathetic.. tack on the multi wave nonsense with echos to try to get that 1 type of drop you need AND you can't use echos to level other echos? They need to fix the resin cost and allow us to use echos for exp..

[@novyknec1113]

Those who enjoy that piece of sht grind are mfs with no life, jobless and they want to cope with a MMO system in a game that doesn't have what makes it a MMO. For a gacha game is horrendous and how much of your time wastes

[@bighat8794]

Great take, great video

[@kuvrut7747]

Bro flat atk ande def is trash. It's good in early game, later on it's coping hard. Substat pool is far larger. I already dread farming and levelling echoes.

[@bencegergohocz5988]

Stuttering Scams is one of the most shameless ripoffs i have ever seen. All it did was giving me some newfound apreciation for Tower of Fantasy since they at least made their own UI and did mmorpg stuff instead of just straith up genshin at home. The fact that Kuros entier catalouge consists of 3 hoyo ripoff games doesn't help either. (Not to mention the fact that they were cought straith up control c control v-ing the hoyolab EULA). I don't care if some of you hate genshin. Go play games with at least a bit of creative integrity. Kuro is a 1.9 Billion dollar company partially owned ba Tencent. They are nit some cute indi fighting the evil megacorp.

[@Cajun_Seasoning]

Lmao tof comes no where close in quality on anything. For all that UI ingenuity it was awful to navigate on PlayStation and their menus are cluttered to shyt.

[@columbinadamselettefan]

okok atleast it was better than tower of flop🥲

[@handsomejack2201]

We leaked your emails. Swipe again or go, we are not holding you - KURO games, circ(a)us, 2024.

[@MuhaamadAreeb]

One thing I will say. Atleast for me If genshin had a skip button, it would be a nice qol feature But wuthering waves having a skip button. Is a necessary feature

[@theglobalwarming6081]

I remember how buggy HSR felt like in the beginning but they very quickly fixed that. Now its a very polished game.

[@1Henrink]

I really don't get the pin system problem. To storage that information you would only need an X and Y coordinate and something to tell whish pin it is (it could be just a index number). That is SO LITTLE SPACE. There needs to be something else causing this problem.

[@TheAudioInjection]

I'm glad to see you're very positive about this game! I used to follow you for Genshin Impact content but I stopped playing Genshin when Star Rail came out and subsequently stopped watching Genshin content. I hope you post more stuff about Wuthering Waves because I used to enjoy your videos!

[@reezwave]

Playing wuwa made me realize I'm just tired of open world games. I still want to play wuwa because so many things I wanted in genshin but never got ARE there in wuwa, like the combat and parkour for example. But I'm just tired if I play a game just for fomo, so now I'm holding it back. In the end, I just stick to HSR for my gacha game at the moment, cus it truly is my comfort game. The "turn based with semi open world persona type" game.

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

Same bro same, as a busy person working for 6 days a week, playing open world games is not really working for me, good thing HSR and other AFK type of games are around

[@XenoWars]

Apparently Illusive Realm is staying into 1.1, according to the recent discussion regarding all the issues. So that'll be pretty nice

[@negspirito]

90s in and he's just repeating the same apologetics as every WuWa glazer 4 minutes in and its 'good' to see his shit takes on dailies haven't changed Ig his take on Echoes is consistent coming from the guy that advocates for elite farming in Genshin Oh, I guess that rogue-like mode really is a rip off of Elysian Realm after all .... yeah, I think it's time to unsub

[@MuhaamadAreeb]

Love the game just a bit of info cuz idk why Even if you have the best device on the planet. The SEA server is kinda shaky. It goes on +150 whatever your ping is and stays there for sometimes hours and there's nothing you can do about it I have cross checked it with my EU account and it was stable at 180 ping, so not a me issue I'm sure they'll get round to it and despite the shaky server, I've been able to enjoy the game ( except when a do hard bosses on high ping, then I wanna Minecraft myself)

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

6:51 you can farm in dungeons as well in WuWa if you don't like to roam the open world. They just give us options for both casual 10 min login the out and for those who want to farm echoes. But yeah, I'm having a blast. I prefer it more than Genshin on so many aspects. The traversal and movement is great. The environmental design is impeccable. The world feels alive with NPCs fighting each other, couriers running for deliveries, soldiers patrolling, factions of humans fighting each other and more. Which is funny since it's a post-apocalyptic setting. The dynamic environment is insanely astonishing especially with their skybox. The story, albeit meandering and slow at start and in micro sense is actually good. The world wuests involves dynamic environments. That Mourning Aix quest is absolutely beautiful and well-written. This is great for the gacha industry. Moreso when Mugen, Endfield, and Promelia are released.

[@1Henrink]

I wanted to keep playing both, but since I can't actually skip all dialogue and curscenes in Wuwa, I don't have enough time for it too :/

[@K1LLW1N]

Even Fortnite, being the top of its game, takes ideas from other games. Genshin can only get better with Wuwa out. I can see a parkour quest coming to Genshin at some point xD

[@yanuwwuu]

What Genshin 1.0 lacked in QoL, 120 resin lmao, dispatch makes ur characters locked, pretty meh story, etc. they more so made up with the great character design, literally one of the best OSTs in gaming history, breathtaking scenery, and good voice acting. Wuthering Waves on the other hand, lacks these traits. The character designs are good on their own, but when you put them side by side it’s obvious they just made whatever was cool to the dev team and that resulted in everything having the same black and white color scheme with revealing clothes for the women. Verina and Lingyang are really the only interesting character designs to me ‘cuz they actually look different from the rest of the cast. WuWa OST is so lame and uninspired I get offended just thinking about it so I’m gonna move on. Scenery is pretty nice in WuWa, it’s definitely not breathtaking, but it’s still acceptable, unlike the music….. Voice Acting (English) is the same as the music but worse, always blame the director for this tho, I’m sure the VAs are great.

[@TrisTami17]

Dalily you no need stamina, just do challenge and not use stamina

[@GhostEmblem]

I wonder how many people actually use pins it seems like something that only hardcore players would use.

[@anotherrandomperson9174]

WTH this is the first time I’ve seen WuWa gameplay and yea WuWa really is a Genshin clone DAMN

[@Onion-Khun]

Illusive realm literally is The Elysian realm From Honkai Impact 3Rd and I love it

[@Aleezaa]

I wish you would give WuWa another review especially with the recent updates

[@victorplaton2698]

(not related to the topic) Omg, at 4:20 thank you dude, finally I know how to get that chest

[@nobrainnogame4320]

"A little rough around the edge" ? "might be some performance issues"? Seriously? Come on, this Wuwa glazing is unsufferable... The game is way beyond just having some lack of polish around the corner. The game is literally unplayable due to memory leaks, bugs, lack of optimization and garbage localization.

[@saltykitty9215]

PC skill issue

[@nobrainnogame4320]

@@saltykitty9215 Talking about computer skill issue to a computer engineer and former software developer? 🙄

[@columbinadamselettefan]

@@saltykitty9215 “skill issue just buy a better pc and starve a little☝️🤓”

[@ridho2d]

You Potato Device 🫵 I dont have such problem 🗿👌

[@thomaskennedy5728]

My PC can run AAA games on high settings but wuwa started lagging after 1 hour play on high settings. AAA games has way more requirment and my PC is fulfilling it yet wuwa is not satisfied.

[@BastionGT]

It doesn’t have to be the Genshin killer. They can co-exist and be great games in there own right.

[@Quantumsaber]

I like the gameplay but the plagiarism is hilarious. They literally named rhe mc a synonym for traveler 💀 and verinas animations are just 1 for 1 rips of nahida including the finger frame thing

[@blanc2181]

Almost every single gacha mc is named a synonym for traveller or captain. That is nowhere near plagiarism hahaha Verina is also not plagiarising anything from Nahida, she was not the originator of small plant lady, Nahida is almost not plantlike at all, where Verina is exclusively vines and flowers. I just think WuWa takes very literal inspiration from Genshin, and hope they do more unique concepts going forward. Plagiarism is a bit of a strong word

[@sleet9289]

I do really like the echo system, it's a nice spin on artifacts and really makes it feel unique, the combat also feels pretty good, and yeah, the rogue-like mode is really cool, i appreciate how the character specific buffs actually change things. otherwise, it's similar enough to Genshin that i'm not sure if i'll play it long term since i'm a bit burnt out of Genshin from playing it for 3 years, so we'll see.

[@jellyfishing]

The JP players that got doxxed by Kuro:

[@scarletHerbst]

The main problem with Genshin is the players get ignored and that scam of a weapon banner needs a fix

[@01Kiyoshi]

Ahh yes, who is back after yinlin banner sales on this video

[@indogindiandegenerates]

bro i love you take, this just shuts down crybabies.. enjoying a game for what is is the best

[@sitaratruemusic]

baffles me how the community can't just be happy that they have two games...