Ardoyne 2012 Documentary

[@DominicMagliocco]

I think there is a very simple question to be answered here. When the orange order returned to walk past Ardoyne no one except a token few Catholics were allowed onto the Crumlin Road to protest. When the GARC counter protest walked the Crumlin Road the Protestants were not prevented from going onto the Crumlin and allowed within yards of the Catholics and all the while the riot police faced the Ardoyne protesters.

[@glennmcmurray]

I remember playing football in the street with a few friends at just after 9am one morning when I was 12. It was on the Ardoyne Road, using the fences of both Wheatfield Primary School and Holy Cross Primary School as 'nets'. Once car came flying up, driven by a man with a woman in the front passenger seat and a young schoolgirl in the back. When he passed us he called us Orange bastards out the window. We got scared and decided to walk up the road to the playing fields to continue playing football. The car came back down and out of the Holy Cross gates but instead of turning back towards Ardoyne he turned towards us and flew up the road after us. He got out of the car and with me being the closest child to him it was me he punched - and I'm 44 now so probably won't be growing very much more yet I'm still nowhere near the size that man was (and I'm using the term 'man' very loosely as I can't see any real man who would willingly go out of their way to attack a bunch of kids) - and then he threatened my friends too. He then got back in the car, did a u-turn and drove off again. All in all the incident lasted a few minutes from when he first shouted at us out of the car to him hitting me and then driving off. When the police were called they realised who it was simply from the description us children were able to provide. The police advised my Mum not to press charges for our own safety... Now I haven't lived in Belfast for decades at this point. I would love it if there was no violence on either side. I would love it if the 30 foot barricade could be taken down without worry. But what I intensely dislike is 'journalism' like this which casts the blame solely onto one side. If you want to actually give a proper account then talk to people on both sides - if one group is intent on violence and hurting others whilst the other group is not then let then implicate themselves with their own words. In situations like this I can honestly see it from both viewpoints but I also have to admit that on both sides you'll sadly get those who are out to cause some degree of trouble. But if the man doing this wants to do a proper documentary then do it fairly and don't make it a propaganda piece for one side of the issue.

[@peacehope7365]

I think these people (both sides) would benefit from travel. They'd soon realise how much they have in common. Honestly people are just people. Nationality is a myth. Love and peace to all ✌️🕊️💕

[@ciarankelly7641]

Don't mind people having a march but Christ lads , do use have to do it for 4 months solid

[@dublinsfaircity]

@Pat McCaliskey It's silly carry on.

[@johnmccaughey2722]

Is that how long they march for? Sounds alot.

[@S__123]

This is an oddly one-sided report for someone attempting to be a journalist? Funnily enough this Irish fella can be seen shouting abuse at police in another video when they ask him to move out of the way for his safety.

[@glentoran4ever]

Hearing them talk about how these parades cause people to be arrested is hilarious. There's a solution. Protest peacefully. On the 12th July one side of the community walked through Ardoyne at 3.55 and then left, whilst one side of the community committed attempted murder. But let's not let the facts get in the way.

[@mufc99ok]

ok i dont agree with burning of orange halls and apologise for my bad language but why do bands have to march in areas where they know catholics are stirring things up and then claim its their culture

[@georgebrowne5935]

What a way to live?? Marching to get "One" over their neighbours, is more important than living in harmony and peace. Oh Dear, Oh Dear!

[@cdjme252]

03:07 - Again, if people have committed a crime, they should face the law of the land 03:14 - ONE band and ONE lodge? Hardly the invasion some try to make out 04:01 - Hemmed in? Sure not less than a minute ago the video was saying how quiet Ardoyne was 04:30 - Seems like a quiet, peaceful and respectful march to me 04:58 - and there we have it...the OO abide by the parades commission demands 06:30 - ...and there we go....the unprovoked violence starts! 06:40 - Disgraceful actions by thugs

[@alid7997]

Stark contrast in the behaviour of the OO and the ‘residents March’ here, OO dignified and disciplined, residents just a bunch of thugs.

[@ImagesByDavid]

Hi...up to 1.32 in how were those men mic'd up? Was that the cam mic picking them up? or you have a boom or wireless mic? The audio is perfect.

[@cdjme252]

00:20 - OO abide by Parades Commission decision. 00:58 - So OO have made concessions, and reduced the size of the march from "thousands" to less than 50 people 01:21 - How does he know that protestants don't use that road on the other 364 days of the year? 01:32 - Don't recall there ever being trouble for the outgoing parade in the morning, so why in the evening? These offended residents still in their bed? 01:39 - They don't march through Ardoyne...they march past a very small section of it.

[@tipp2gaza]

Agree with above ,in my mind a fair and balanced view that you would not hear on the so called mainstream media. Good Stuff

[@alexcone3338]

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[@LancerFFS]

i'll love my neighbour when they don't live in my house without permission.

[@TimoMomo]

😂😂

[@FreemenofAustralia]

Whats a Catholic Shop?

[@amysands8925]

At the end of the day land belongs to no one. When you die 6feet down is all you have.

[@allanf1988]

They didn’t walk “through” they walked passed ardoyne on a MAIN road. You’s have to come out from your homes and walk to the main road to get insulted, JOG ON

[@CrazyIrishDrunk1]

And btw, the hundreds of thoussands of Irish Nationalists will NEVER leave the 6 counties. We're here to stay. I just want you to know that.

[@fredflingstone9011]

Wow - that's a great reply. Your standard of education is staggering.

[@dreamteami.l5253]

That's crazy, are those residents closed into their area with no way out?

[@yvonnejohnston9429]

No they are not

[@fifthward1983]

thanks for making this video. i didnt really understand what was going on 100 percent, had somewhat of a idea. every now and then this stuff makes national news here in the states,but for the most part we dont know whats happening over there.

[@yvonnejohnston9429]

Do not believe all that you see, the orangemen are NOT marching THROUGH a Roman Catholic area

[@tomparker8394]

and wee sean was just out buying his wee granny a pint of milk

[@Alex-gn2rb]

Jesus must be so proud looking down.

[@dieg]

Is this still a thing in 2024?

[@nathananderson4251]

They no longer go past the ardoyne shops thankfully

[@gerryadams9868]

Ardoyne will always be a no go area for huns

[@caleb4790]

It was all ways a proudest net area

[@DuruttiVisca]

I am English it is well known that we were part of the allies that beat Germany in 1945 now I have a great idea lets allus English parade through berlin every year on ve day we could really rub there noses in it but thinking about it civilised people don t do that

[@caleb4790]

Ardoyn was always prodestent so they have every right to march there also it’s a British country so we can march if we want

[@LOGOS422]

@@caleb4790 A British colony in Ireland.

[@caleb4790]

Pat McCaliskey my apologies that must have been an error on my behalf

[@garydornan2681]

​@@caleb4790was always Protestant?😂 read up you

[@baplfc]

this parade does not go through ardoyne for a start. the ardoye residents are not to be seen the other 365 days a year.

[@ciaranbrown1983]

Why march there tho

[@glennmcmurray]

@@ciaranbrown1983 Because the main 12th July parade consists of bands from different parts of the city. The band is from further up the road than the shops at Ardoyne. They walk down to meet the main parade in the morning and in the evening the march back home, unfortunately they live up past this section.

[@gavin_1968]

So is that the infamous ardoyne shops I just watch a video of the and it looked theres less than 5 fucking shops and it looks like it would take less than 5 min to walk past now the fact that this video is 100% one sided so for some one like who like me has not got a clue about ardoyne if its pure catholic area or mixed so i think it would be better if there was a video shown from both sides that would be much better .

[@ThomasK2222]

Loved it when the man with the green shirt and black cap gets clunked around the head with a glass bottle at 9:57 too funny .😃👳

[@consean9938]

12.00 minutes, is that the ruc singing burn burn burn ... Yeow??

[@caoimhegilmartin8061]

Well done for showing the affects of the orange marches on the Ardoyne residents. (rarely seen)

[@yvonnejohnston9429]

Those orange marchers are also from ardoyne

[@capetown99]

Its spelt Republican, not republian. Since when do you see a Republican band, backed by the State, march through or even near a Unionist area? Where and when are thousands of Protestants hemmed in by thousands of Police in Belfast? If a Republican band played in front of a Protestant church, the nearest Nationalist area would be attacked en masse by the UDA, like the Short Strand was last year. Very few of whom have been areested since.

[@paulspydar]

my grandad was an Orangeman & i hope one day to take his sash into my care.. Chin up guys..

[@sudocreme5080]

Bigotry must run in the family

[@largejockwasaware5100]

Good on you bro... it’s good that our society is forever growing with good loyal Protestants ... unlike the Irish catholic priests forever sticking it up the boys dry ... die in your sleep you fenian bastarss

[@patrickhughes2863]

Large jock Was aware fuck the huns kah up the ra u 2nd class sitazin

[@Paul-vq8fk]

@@largejockwasaware5100 Scotland is Englands tampax lol.......IRA destroyed the brits. Beaten by a temporary army. the humiliation pmsl

[@paintedman1000]

its all to do with respecting each other, we are all to easily offended by each other, and people on both sides need to stop their triumphalism attitude

[@marz_mitzi]

im icelandic and i have no idea whats going and i got so many questions aaah

[@JT-xt8bh]

Dee loves an audience and a camera crew but he’s not so good on his own

[@gruntymchunchy1527]

The compromise is simple: Ban ALL parades/marches on both sides from residential areas, Marches and parades to happen only in town & city centres.

[@yvonnejohnston9429]

Ardoyne is a main arterial route into the city centre

[@conorgavin677]

how come the prods dont get pinned in where they live ? let to do what thet want ?

[@LancerFFS]

6 out of 9 counties of the province of Uladh are occupied by britain, lets not forget Dún Na Ngall, An Cabhán and Muineachán that are part of Eíre. Uladh is not British, Ulster is Irish, just like Mumha, Laighin and Connacht. Just like India and parts of Africa aren't British - just because your thieving forefathers came here and gave birth to you invaders doesn't make this country yours - the 4 provinces and the 32 counties have, and always will be Irish.

[@notmyrealname121]

gee. if only they could afford to go on holiday

[@33LB]

yea, but how many religious people actually follow their religious text?

[@paintedman1000]

look to be honest if everyone had your opinion, NI would be a better place, but u have to understand identity and culture is a big thing were we live, so it does need respected, then maybe on day a generation met all have your attitude

[@trickydicky5545]

Will the human rights observers be filming the stone throwers, petrol bombers and those encouraging them to do so

[@geniusgza7]

haha i like the part were he said "volatile situation"

[@Belfastmusicguy]

With the Irish government being the exception who in the last 5 to 10 years have began to accept the orange order with considerable funding for them and the parade in Donegal seems to go off as a good day out which im sure both communities would be attending.

[@RedHandLad]

Its just a group of shops , no one lives there , they go out of their way to be offended.

[@AllyCatmeow]

If it's just a group of shops why bother marching past it? They should just stop either side marching into each others communities. Or if the Loyalists really want to march into Irish areas then they should ban any loyalist from drinking alcohol. Most of the time the supporters look to be violent drunks. On the 12th of July and the week leading up to it all alcohol should be banned and anyone who tests positive or selling it should be place under house arrest for any other marches.

[@ciarancorrigan2308]

When u say no one lives there its still part of the community and many catholics suffered by the protosaints for many years and to have them walk in the community singing and chanting songs that offend us

[@cpparkinson5109]

​@@AllyCatmeow Well they aren't marching to the shops 😂, as you can see the crowd and the flags across from the shops are the opposite to the protesters. They march past an entrance to that area and continue on to a larger parade, twit. Oh fock off, are you going to ban the republican "protestors" who weren't about according to their own speaker for the morning parade, no, too lazy or busy scratching their arse in bed to be offended for that part of the day 7/8 am. So they wake up and then arrive down from their area to go to the main road in the afternoon all to be deliberately offended. Can't control their emotions you'll get arrested then....

[@DuruttiVisca]

loyalism does not make any sense to a logical human being it requires the suspension of logical thinking

[@borderlord7562]

union jacks only flown at sea,ulster is 9 counties,and please leave the rent on the kitchen table on the way home to scotland,you were planted here in the 18th century,go read a book

[@bigfred0997]

Still you all claim benefits from the British government along with all your IRA informers hahaha

[@udubidub]

the narrator not from Belfast.

[@Timo8.2.]

To an outside observer it seemed that the PSNI was very biased. The PSNI seemed to defending the Protestants even thou they were throwing bottles and rocks.

[@bigfred0997]

That's the slight of hand trick both sides play, when garc filmed this it was cut and edited by nationalists and shows the other side to be the worst but when the other side films they show the nationalists to be worse

[@Belfastmusicguy]

Look the peace is all brought about by people respecting each others culture. The Catholic people are welcome to come down and enjoy the festivities of the day just like Protestants at St Patricks day and alot of Catholics do. This year in particular we had a lot of people from the south who totally loved the day to get back to there hotel to witness this on the tv. These people arent representitive of the Catholic community time to start giving out stiffer penalties for rioters its 2012.

[@gremlinuk1968]

1.25 , 364 days,, / but it only 1 day ,! from 365 !! my family are both,, & all my family likes the 12th,!!!

[@jamrockergc]

well said, couldn;t agree more. looking forward to that video of poster boy Dee Fennel

[@RedHandLad]

I feel sorry for you with your seething hate , because that hate could hurt you long term , you should try to love your neighbour.

[@paintedman1000]

what did the OL do outside that church?

[@johnhouldingloyal]

Why are these film makers allowed to get away with these lies. That area is not a nationalist area it is the edge of a nationalist area where residence have to go out of their way to be insulted. Those shops are used by both catholics and protestants. The lodge and band that walk past are from Ardoyne a couple of yards up the road from the shops. Opposite the shops is a protestant area. One guy says the rioting last a few days, as if it is the fault of the orangemen, but the orangemen just walk past and then go home ALL the rioters are nationalists, mostly bussed is. The residents are not 'hemmed' in, as there are lots of ways out of that area.

[@sudocreme5080]

Some of what you say may be true, but the parade is at the edge of a Nationalist area which is provocative and aggravating considering there is alternate routes which aren't provocative. A republican parade wouldn't be allowed in side a 5 mile radius of a Protestant area, never mind go right past it or the fact this happens year after year.

[@Shaftsus]

lol that sign "End Hatred of Orange Culture" at around 9:25 really confused me because the phrase pretty much goes 2 ways...

[@mark-fz6mh]

we walk down that road every day, its a public highway there is more shops than houses and its our culture and history. grow up people

[@ThomasMullan-r5s]

Ban them from walking

[@ThomasMullan-r5s]

The majority now Chucky r law

[@burnleyfan11965]

Removed to where and when??.Not saying you lying but not heard of it before.If they went to Israel after 1947 id say they went willingly

[@capetown99]

Well said.

[@stephendoran2690]

Ah sure the prods will be out of ardoyne soon anyway

[@caleb4790]

All the republicans will be out of east Belfast soon

[@westhebrit6881]

Glad they got a wash.

[@LancerFFS]

Cheers comrade. I have a seething hate for loyalism, it's just plain wrong man.

[@kylewalsh08]

Proving your own ignorance while 6 counties of Ulster are technically in a UK jurisdiction Donegal,Cavan and Monaghan are in Ulster and very much a part of the Republic get your facts straight before you make more ridiculous comments.

[@zzsjbz]

Yep your right i know absolutely nothing about it at all. .why go a way you know is going to cause conflict?? but yes your bang on i know nothing about it.

[@nellamaharg]

All we are saying is give peace a chance

[@fiachra1992]

Ardoyne is in North Belfast, but I get what you mean!

[@udubidub]

resident not locked inn another vid shows a man walking past all the trouble with his shopping bag and no one bats an eyelid THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AT THAT TIME OF HIS LIFE.

[@ononewheellad]

The mainly Catholic shops area, so not residential. The protesters have to walk some distance from their homes to be able to be offended.

[@mouldyplums1]

It would appear that,in 2012,Republican/Nationalist violence pays dividends....It may be an avenue that the Loyalists may pursue in the future,and to honest,I can't blame them. These "interface issues" seem to be all about appeasing the Nationalist/Republican communities...

[@Malky555]

It's a shame a 5 min walk past an area not throught just passing as to end like this . I can't see how a march can be blamed by people wrecking there own area . The march it self was peacefulll it's the tag alongs that seem to cause the bother on both sides !

[@padraigodeorain9966]

And that's why you're a balloon

[@zzsjbz]

get a bus in ... ?? or a different route??

[@thedarkhugheshughes2640]

Fennell Lundy the big boys of ardoyne

[@barrycummins4276]

Keep it go lad NO SURRENDER

[@RedHandLad]

Why didn't their fellow middle class Irish men and women give them food , why their fellow middle class Irish men and women abandon them and let them starve ? Did the hole of Ireland starve at that time ....answer no . And why as that ...answer ...because the middle and upper class had money and food but did not help the starving.

[@dsd7004]

Old Post but weren't middle/ upper predominantly Protestant ' brits' ?

[@zzsjbz]

Don't know.. as i said i don't know a lot about it..but if it starts with the kids now and their left to get on and be friend's with who they like it might just be different in a few yrs time.

[@Emmet098]

yes you should

[@banjodeano2202]

so would the police be catholic or protestant or both, they have a thankless task..

[@caleb4790]

Police are over 2/3 prodestemt but remain neutral

[@banjodeano2202]

@@caleb4790 thanks Caleb

[@jordanscott1074]

they’re stopped from coming out, they bring themselves out to be offended😂

[@maureenstockman2612]

So true

[@TheTaigster]

volatile is his favourite word

[@mytime103]

its always done my head in has irland.How people born in irland can think they are british just blags my head

[@conorfields506]

The irish dont want provocative marches through their areas!

[@nikkiaiken]

Prostant also walk and shop there

[@conorfields506]

@@nikkiaiken yea catholics havent protested not attacked them for using THEIR shops... shows ya the difference between the 2

[@chill6510]

Just here for the comments lol

[@markcully8575]

Crumlin road isn't even ardoyne ffs !!!

[@jm9661]

So who lives from flax at to mountain view then , crumlin rd people or ardoyne people ? It's certainly not snouts anymore lol , "we are the people" lol eejits

[@udubidub]

no you want to kill but not be killed that why you choose to surrender.

[@burnleyfan11965]

because we are the ones being milked for billions and im one among many who are sick of the lot of them

[@quates890]

If you need the facts ask your community workers to ask for them as they have been recorded on cctv, perhaps us unionists should ask are mp,s to do some work for a change

[@hairlikespaghetti]

I do have a clue - I live in Glasgow and have to put up with the same inconvenience every year - if you want to carry on celebrating some battle that has fuck all to do with the 21st C and means nothing to 99.9% of the UK, then why not do it where it cannot cause offense? Try the countryside, theres plenty of empty fields you could walk around where nobody is inconvenienced! Either that, or catch up with all right-thinking folk and drop the nonsense once and for all, and this goes for everyone!

[@MrDavyup]

Good to see you out marching on the glorious 12th.

[@circlethecube6411]

Uppa RA

[@fionngearon4852]

Fuck you upa RA

[@cdjme252]

07:37 - No actual proof of this 07:46 - Again, no evidence of residents being 'attacked' by the PSNI...or perhaps this is because of the violence? 07:54 - So it's the polices fault for being there that the young people have responded? HAHA 07:58 - Good to hear 08:11 - Hahaha, the violence is all the OO fault? Such a statement! 08:17 - Is that blackmail towards the OO? Failure to control their own community more like 08:22 - So, you want the OO not to parade....so GARC can have theirs? Wow

[@Ulsterloyalist100]

Your fella at the start sounds like he is from Ardoyne ffs

[@DreamClean]

The police still faced towards the Catholics even though the other side were the ones throwing shit.

[@RedHandLad]

Ulster is our land ......you want a foreign tri colour , you don't like the Union Jack ........GO HOME ......bye bye .

[@auntpercybritpride5090]

yes it is. they dont show our ardoyne pride boys playin ther flutes , we all luv each oter. luv yu darlings.xxxxx no surrender to pope boys .we are the best guys . xxxx

[@DodgeCity111]

Don't take offence just piss off to Portrush for the 12th.

[@darnellbiggumsthe9th658]

or better yet they can fuck off to england and parade in london where they’ll be “welcomed”

[@pfhrmb]

guy takes bottle to the head like a champ at 10:00

[@nellamaharg]

Why dont you stop fighting and just get along?

[@johnmccaughey2722]

Dont think either side wants to back down over northern ireland being british or reunited with ireland. Imo thats what this mostly comes down to.

[@Belfastmusicguy]

i do take on board what your saying mind you. But honestly in 2012 and riots at the shops in whats a reasonably peaceful society today it makes the Ardoyne residents look like troublemakers raking up the past that is the way its coming across,

[@seanbhoy493]

except for the counties that are irish

[@cameronbrady248]

i republicans hold marches in there own areas and sometimes there even banned from marchen in there own areas and ownlay 30% of all marches in the north are republicans and 70% of all marches are loyalists and a lot of them marches go in catholic areas