Wynton Marsalis, Marcus Roberts and Stanley Crouch interview (1992)

Writer Stanley Crouch and musicians Wynton Marsalis and Marcus Roberts explain the complexity of jazz music and the reason why it's experiencing a resurgence in popularity among young musicians.
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[@benjaminholt6640]

"The reason jazz music is very sophisticated is because of a spiritual need expressed by the american people to generate an artform to give them aesthetic solutions to the gigantic problems that you have facing adulthood throughout your life."

[@blundgrenviolin]

We need Ellington, Beethoven, Monk, and Bach. Their music "is enduring (and) faces the natural gravitation to anarchy very well." Couldn't have said it better.

[@darylhiggs9100]

You dig?

[@benjaminholt6640]

@@darylhiggs9100 dig

[@00BChill]

This might be the greatest interview I have ever seen. I love the way Mr. Stanley Crouch describes jazz music.

[@bronxkies]

He said "I was 19 for about 8 years" LMBO classic Wynton. Love it! lol

[@kanikahlemon4449]

"My NOLA~HOMIE," WynTon!!!!

[@clemmycloo699]

This interview is one of the best human conversations to have taken place in this beautiful and still could be country

[@DennyGeorgeforChristMinistries]

hip hop is jazz in spirit, freedom to do whatever you want, but that can mean many things to different generations.

[@mabonman]

yes, every genre of every artistic medium has examples of both legitimacy as part of a cultural lineage and fakeness. creators know this, critics not so much it seems.

[@portinarih]

I think the natural evolution of jazz was hip hop, along with black electronic music and the desire to express yourself. No wonder the last album by miles davis is rap

[@absentmindstate]

🤝

[@jman1562001]

@@portinarih Miles never just conformed to the jazz standard which is why he caught so much flack from the purists SMH.

[@voriskinlaw9775]

Stanley Crouch..🙏P.R.I.H.P 🥁🗞️📝

[@voriskinlaw9775]

9:18:"Adults Don't Appeal To Children"...Wynton's Right!!

[@WellseeTheend]

Some try but the younger generation always will need the older.

[@3340steve]

The word JAZZ is a control device. Creative musicians don't need categories to define them. So great to hear people on mainstream media talk about Monk and Ellington. Much respect !

[@TheStigue]

Wynton Marsalis is my most favourite trumpet player of all time. Im a trumpet player from South Africa and it is my dream to meet Wynton Marsalis. I love how Wynton speaks about Jazz. Its almost romantic TO ME ;)

[@mickdevlin]

Stanley Crouch is one of the funniest men I've ever read. Read "Considering Genius" and you will be laughing your head off. Love the man.

[@jeffreyd700]

7:04 Aristocrats of achievement is excellent

[@bobblues1158]

I miss Stanley!!!

[@mr.dortsmusicclasschannel9278]

Wow, those last comments didn't age well. Rap is bigger and more encompassing than ever. Rap/Hip-Hop culture is probably the largest sub-culture out there with people following for the drama, as well as the study and progression of the art form. It has all but replaced Rock in Pop culture.

[@jeffreyd700]

Their comments are still relevant. Crouch is exactly right. No one is arguing about the popularity of rap. Of course it is going to be a popular art form because of the draw it has with the youth. Jazz, on the other hand, is always enduring because it speaks to the consciousness and civility of a mature, adult audience.

[@platogenova9573]

Progression of the art form? Regression I think.

[@jman1562001]

@@jeffreyd700 Rap isn't enduring. It has over 50+ years in its history and its not just one element. We respect the musicianship of jazz that's never going to be debated but let's not deny the enduring legacy of the hip-hop movement either. Their are greats in the artform that can rival jazz greats NOW. Look at Nas and he is the son of jazz guy. Or Rakim who was a sax player before becoming a great MC.

[@jeffreyd700]

@@jman1562001 hip hop and rap is a young man's game predicated on materialism and commercialism. Nas and Rakim were great in THEIR time. What is enduring about hip hop is that it moves with the latest trends and what's fashionable for the day. The greats of jazz can jump in and play with anybody anytime at any age, you can't say the same with hip hop greats because their hits are rhymes they wrote in their teens and twenties. They are not bringing the same energy or consciousness when they are in their forties and fiftiea because they matured.

[@AxmihaMeuSaco]

Interesting about Columbia being built on Bessie Smith's popularity, because she died so poor that Janis Joplin paid for her funeral - while Clive James (head of Columbia at the time, I think) sent 50 dollars. (See "Black Music / White Business" by Frank Kofsky) There's a LOT about jazz music that can't be openly discussed.

[@nastynate838]

1st comment ! excellent interview .

[@kellythompson3865]

A wise drummer friend, when i was learnin drums, told me to practice to Aretha, B.B., and all the King blues players. Wynton is correct, of course, it was more than rythm, it was heart spirit. When i worked with musicians that by-passed learnin the blues were generally stiff and souless.

[@skineyemin4276]

Stanley Crouch's ignorant and seemingly grouchy prediction falls a little flat when one considers the many post hip/hop and rap (at least since the Roots) generation of brilliant young jazz musicians that have evolved like Cory Henry and Robert Jasper, Jr. and the countless amazing jazz drummers heavily influenced by Questlove's and J Dilla's, hip-hop, funk style live Chris Dave. Stanley Crouch was a drummer a long time ago.

[@BirdBop]

Thing is, Stanley is a purist. I think jazz is about seeking the truth, no gimmicks. Being true to yourself and the music. I don't think any of the guys you mentioned come close to some of the greats but that's my opinion.

[@1artist1composer]

eh ya know he was kinda speaking figuratively there- he obviously knows its not a contest

[@myimorata7678]

@@BirdBop I agree with you.

[@statichousemusic9855]

Questlove is no Jazz drummer. Can he even play Bebop?

[@skineyemin4276]

@@statichousemusic9855 I don't think ever said he could play bebop. To be honest, not too many of today's drummers can play Bebop, really, and I know a lot of 70- 80 year old bebop players

[@1artist1composer]

The jazz artists became aristocrats because of their achievement- not because of their money, who they knew, or who their daddy was. This is in part why adults do not appeal to children for things, and what people should wake up to- the meaning and the value of the term egalitarian.

[@WellseeTheend]

Mr Rose got in trouble because his hose.

[@jman1562001]

Stanley is corny for taking pot shots at hip-hop. Just say you don't relate and keep it moving. You can enjoy and pontificate about jazz all day without coming for another artform SMH. I despise that pretentious attitude. And years later you see where hip-hop is at.

[@esseen100]

I felt like Charlie forgot Wynton's name. Secondly uninformed statements like the one Stanley made here are what caused the karma of him being decimated by people like Mtume and several other rappers he's been matched in conversations with.😄

[@TheToocold]

Jazz's biggest fans from the beginning were White. White musicians loved it and began playing also back in the day. This is American music born in this American soil. Jazz created a new ethnicity in this country.

[@_grahamjacobson]

Then perhaps you'd be intrigued by Mr. Crouch's use of the concept of 'miscegenation' in his books such as The Artificial White Man.

[@truthinbottle99]

Stanley Crotch, the only entity that talks more than Win-a-ton Marsbruno.....

[@skineyemin4276]

Stanley Crouch's condescending rap reference has not aged very well. Old fuddy-duddy predictions should always be avoided by close minded, musically untalented people.

[@mele9131]

Charlie Rose creepy asf

[@billmcginley]

Charlie was out of his depth during this interview.

[@skineyemin4276]

"Why do Mexicans eat more tamales? Because, they invented it"? That may be true, but, what a silly ass and culture minimizing analogy.

[@paulrodberg]

listening to the interview i didn't perceive any condesending about food or people's potential.they are humanists interested in growth on all levels

[@benjaminholt6640]

in this analogy some of the greatest jazz intellects compare Jazz to Tamales. is that really so hurtful? Everyone likes Tamales. They know it. I know it. You know.