X-men: Prelude to the Massacre Omnibus | Collecting X-men in Omnibus format | Mapping of Omnibus

[@PeterMarinari]

As always, it was a privilege and a joy to join Omar to talk X-Men and omnibus mapping with you all! I know the timing of the Prelude to Mutant Massacre omnibus announcement was frustrating to a lot of folks, but thinking about it for a few days helped me find a silver lining to it. I hope some of you are seeing that now, too. (Plus, always so much fun to hang out with all the Minties in the chat! Shhh, don't tell Omar about how much fun we're having without him in the chat.)

[@brent11381]

Thanks for the graphics that helped me compare the books and understand the argument.

[@the_marvel_omnivore]

Excellent graphics, Peter! You're the man!

[@NearMintCondition]

Thanks for joining me.

[@williamlee2182]

I love that you came prepared with slides. You are the best!

[@nathanhorsfall7635]

Your diagram was sooo helpful!! Thank you for the visual of the content!!

[@ryanlambe5505]

Omar you're a treasure to this community, we respect you and love you for all the hard work you put in for us.

[@NearMintCondition]

Thank you so much for your kind words.

[@Krypton_Ken]

As frustrating as the Mutant Massacre Prelude announcement was i just want to say how grateful i am to Omar for creating such a positive online environment for collectors and for being our voice with companies such as Marvel. It is GREATLY appreciated. Also, Peter, i absolutely love those graphics, thank you.

[@elvaquerovaquero5243]

Thank you all for taking the time to explain the different options. I'm glad they announced this before X-factor volume 1 came out.

[@arthurwoo6082]

Condolences on your loss Omar and thank you for everything that you do. We know its not you as you are just the messenger, but your role is so critical and important. Thanks to you and the gang for diving deeper on this.

[@projektvyking7521]

Thank you for putting this live stream together to provide perspective on Omni collecting and mapping.

[@Simtown]

The prelude announcement was confusing because I couldn’t tell what I needed for my collection. I really appreciate Peter’s chart laying out each book so I can instantly see the overlaps and which books I want.

[@OMACexperiment]

OMAR should be an official Employee for MARVEL because he's probably their best PR consultant!

[@djsuth7727]

No probably about it !

[@jsb8261]

This has got to be the most informative channel about comic books on KZbin.

[@uxm4life94]

Sorry to hear about your loss Omar. Best channel on KZbin and the positive united fandom you have brought back to comics is greatly appreciated by everyone.

[@allnovieveryday]

25:21 very helpful. Thanks so much Omar! The quiet majority who understand the situation are not weighing in and making silly comments, we appreciate all you are doing to help and no reasonable person is frustrated with you. You aren't a publisher and not responsible for any error, those people need to be ignored. You saved me from buying a copy of uxm5 since I already have the xmen event omnis. Thanks again!

[@kidicarus2215]

I lucked out. I heard the announcement right before I put UXM vol.5 in the checkout cart. I'm definitely getting prelude when it comes out. I still think this was a bad move for Marvel. They've undermined some of the trust that people had in their releases.

[@Indycowboy2]

We love you Omar. Thank you for all you do

[@ryanp8021]

Thanks Omar, and thank you Krisis for your graphics. They were incredibly helpful. I will donate or sell Vol 5 and purchase the Prelude. I get the extra material, and as a bonus, my out of place Vol 5 spine is replaced with something that aligns nicely.

[@deuce.1987]

Great video Omar and Peter. Krisis just Krushing it with the diagrams!! It took me 3 months to process all of this but I finally made a decision. I was a little upset at first but I am keeping my UXM vol5. I love the Magneto cover on the dust jacket better than any of the Mutant Massacre Prelude covers. Also, I was already planning to buy the X-Factor omnibus; I do not buy all x titles. I am not interested in new mutants or excalibur, but I am excited about X-Factor because it has the original team and the origin of Apocalypse. Having UXM vol5 and X-factor, I do not need that MM Prelude omnibus. Thank you Omar and Peter!

[@elliottplowman6336]

Thanks to you both! Now I'm curious how they are going to map the Messiah era.

[@NMan40]

There was already a Map My X episode that covered the Messiah Era.

[@elliottplowman6336]

​@@NMan40 Yeah, I watched it, but my point is are they are going to include X-Force in the Messiah omnibuses? That was a big friction point in Map My X and seeing how this turned out they may.

[@NMan40]

@@elliottplowman6336Oh. I feel like we a long way away from any of that material coming in omnibus format. It seems to be a popular era, but I wonder why Marvel has avoided it in omnibus format? Maybe it really isn’t as popular as we think? I’m not too sure. Hopefully we will get something over the next few years!

[@elliottplowman6336]

@@NMan40 100%. I have a custom bound copy of the X-Force run, but want to know if it's going to included in those event omnis when they do come out. Would prefer they did it like the WOK omnis.

[@djsuth7727]

@@NMan40 We have the book ends, so to speak ... so hopefully not that far into the future before Messiah is released.

[@_Sgt_Savage]

I’m just looking at it as, Marvel is listing to what we all want and providing us with both options. I bought Uncanny 5, but will be replacing (why lie, double dipping) with the Prelude to the Massacre book. Thanks for all the info as always Omar and providing a microphone for the collectors. Good to see you Peter!

[@mjcook3922]

I'm good. I bought the X-Factor Epic collection volume 1 so I'm satisfied with most of the content covered in my UXM Vol 5

[@chrisc6415]

Thank you both! Krisis’ graphs were so helpful. Keep up the good work

[@balkthor]

A couple thoughts. 1) Marvel certainly has the right to print whatever/however they want. But, if they want to keep the goodwill of the community - and I maintain that this is a big part of their success, NMC's existence proves it - they would be wise to make it clear to consumers the disparity between Event and Line books somehow. This could easily be done in solicits. 2) Given that UCX volumes 1-4 have the old spine and UCX 5+ all have the new spine design, this makes it much easier for me to just go with the Event books for this era of X-Men. I'm guessing presales for UCX 6+ will be terrible. 3) I would LOVE to get Peter's slides sent out. Could this be a Patreon thing?

[@Strat-o-caster]

6+ will be bad until they get to stuff they havent omnified yet

[@g-roy23]

@@Strat-o-casterWhich by then given they’ve now released a ‘Mutant Massacre prelude’ they should’ve at least announced stuff like post inferno, x-tinction agenda and post Jim Lee in their own omnis, otherwise we’ll more or less be in the same scenario with brand new collectors being prioritised over ones which have encouraged and supported them to be in the position to make these decisions.

[@g-roy23]

They really should’ve just left the current line of x-omnis as they were and just (continue to) follow the trail of thought we’ve all had for ages. Uncanny 1-4, Massacre Prelude, Massacre, Fall of Mutants, Inferno Prologue, Inferno, Inferno Aftermath, Jim Lee 1, X-Tinction Agenda with Days of Future Present, Jim Lee 2 etc… Drop the “events” talk, that reeks of a revisionist take, it all fits like a glove and doesn’t need playing with.

[@balkthor]

@@g-roy23 Precisely. And as I HATE the new spines, I’m happy to donate my copy of UCX5 to my kid’s school and just pick up the Prelude. I already have the Massacre omni anyway, and X-Factor for that matter.

[@bungleist1]

@@g-roy23 Not quite like a glove even for X-Men-only collectors, because X-Men Annual #12 comes between UXM #234 and 235 but is missing from Inferno Prologue. For New Mutants collectors, not like a glove in the slightest. There's double dipping on about 20% of the pages in NM vol. 2 (New Mutants (1983) #46, Special Edition (1985) #1, Annual (1984) #2; X-Men Annual (1970) #9-10), and going purely by currently released/announced omnis on around 50% of the pages in NM vol. 3 (New Mutants (1983) #55-73; Power Pack (1984) #40; Uncanny X-Men (1981) #231; X-Terminators #1-4). I assume you're proposing that Inferno Aftermath only collect New Mutants and X-Factor material, plus perhaps X-Men Annual #12? That's going to double dip on Claremont & Lee vol. 1 otherwise. If so, that book including all issues + specials from both series between Inferno and X-Tinction Agenda seems realistic (New Mutants (1983) #74-94, Annual #5, Summer Special #1; X-Factor (1986) #41-59, material from Annual #4; X-Men Annual (1970) #12). This would at least solve the problem with NM vol. 3 as well as with future XF omnis. To me, it seems nice that we'll eventually have the option to collect the same X-Men, New Mutants, and X-Factor material contained in your list of books in something like Uncanny 1-8, X-Factor: OXM 1-2, and New Mutants 2-3 (Uncanny 6 being the X-Men material in FotM to Inferno, Uncanny 7 being Claremont & Lee 1 + DoFP and Uncanny 8 being Claremont & Lee 2 + X-Tinction Agenda but probably minus C&L 2's X-Factor issues), and also fitting in (almost) seamlessly with New Mutants 1 and X-Factor by Peter David 1. New Mutants 4 seems likely to collect DoFP and X-Tinction Agenda in their entirety (since there are only 15 issues + 2 annuals between the contents of NM 3 and the end of the series), but double dipping there can be avoided by sticking with the Claremont & Lee books instead of Uncanny 7-8. X-Factor 2 has 43 issues and 4 annuals just of XF to collect, so hopefully we won't see too much double dipping there - though of course Marvel may end up splitting this into two books so that DoFP and X-Tinction Agenda can be printed in their entirety there, too. Collecting the three series' omnis instead of the event omnis will most likely also eliminate most of the non-mutant fluff that a lot of people don't want, especially when it comes to Inferno :)

[@miguellupi8709]

Omar your explanation is appreciated and I would never blame the messenger. But if Marvel wasn't greedy in the planning, they are still greedy now. With this they have a lot of unhappy costumers stuck with a book they did not know they did not want. This would be easily compensated by them publishing an OHC of the X-factor issues for those that bought Uncanny 5 and do not want to double dip with X-factor 1 or this prelude. Obviously they aren't doing that. And about the other books I will have the same problem with the Roger Stern one but in this case I choose to buy it anyway in the same I always refused to buy the Vs Venom book. My informed choice, not the case here.

[@richardjohnston99]

Thanks for explaining both of you, it makes more sense now. Marvel's business practices have nothing to do with you Omar, you're an absolute superstar and your videos are always a highlight of the day :)

[@maul_360]

As someone who just started collecting X-Men. I am very happy marvel is releasing this. I only have volumes 1 3 and 4 so it works perfectly for me with them releasing 2 next year

[@astrostar49]

Thanks for doing this video. I was really in the dark as to why so many folks were freaking out. The chart Peter put together was really helpful. I'm excited for the X-Men Mutant Massacre Prelude omnibus, and luckily didn't get X-Men volume 5 omnibus. I can understand the frustration from fans though, and I'd probably be screaming too the rooftops if I was in their position.

[@NMan40]

Another scenario worth noting…it could have been possible that after releasing UXM vol 4 and with all of the events upcoming, that UXM 4 would be the end of the numbered vols and the way to collect UXM moving forward would be in the event Omnis. That had been my thinking since UXM 4 was announced. Yes, I had seen some people mention that they didn’t care about New Mutants/X-Factor, etc, and they didn’t want that stuff in UXM numbered Omnis, but ultimately, it would be unavoidable with all of the events.

[@g-roy23]

It’s all been there mapped out for a while now, reprinting and even rebranding them all recently only reinforced that. Now they’re “events” .🤥

[@NMan40]

I’m not sure what you mean. Sorry. What I was saying is that before UXM vol 4 had been announced, we had: X-Men Silver Age Omnis 1 and 2, UXM vol 1-3, Mutant Massacre omnibus, Fall Of The Mutants OHC, Inferno Prologue OHC, Inferno OHC and Crossovers OHC(I think Inferno omnibus was announced soon after UXM vol 4), along with some later OHCs that are farther down the line. I know I was wondering, along with others, when would a follow up to UXM omnibus vol 3 be announced? It was pretty long in between vol 3 and 4. Also, we wondered if it would even be called vol 4. Well, when we found out about vol 4, the majority of people I interacted with, automatically thought that the next vol after UXM 4 would be the Road To Mutant Massacre or some similar name. We thought since a large portion of the run had been released already, there would be no need to remap. There were hopes, even back in 2018, that some of the old books would be reprinted for people who never bought them or passed on them back in the day.

[@g-roy23]

@@NMan40 That’s what I’m saying, everything was laid out perfectly for them, all they’d need to do is rebrand/combine things into omnis which they had been doing along with reprinting. Now they’re “event books” & aren’t the main line.

[@NMan40]

@@g-roy23Ok! I understand now! Yes, people definitely thought that this Mutant Massacre Prelude should have been the book to be released to bridge the gap to Mutant Massacre once UXM 4 was announced. The announcement of that vol 5 was a game changer for sure. I do find it odd that it seemed like there were more people who wanted the big prelude book than there were people who wanted the UXM line to continue numbered without the inclusion of New Mutants/X-Factor, etc, and yet the vol 5 was released instead. To me, it seemed like people collecting X-Men already had Mutant Massacre omnibus, Fall Of The Mutants OHC, etc. It wasn’t until the UXM vol 5 announcement I started to see some more people mentioning they didn’t care if the X-Factor material was included and that they only cared for the UXM issues. In the end, it just seems like an odd situation, to me. Hopefully, something like this won’t happen again.

[@paulmcgrew2932]

Here is some good news: X-Men fans have sooo many options for collecting various stories in various formats. If you are a Spider-Man fan wanting ONE format collecting complete DeMatteis Spec. Spider-Man? No such luck. With all that said, I am very grateful that I can be a part of these debates and not wonder how I am going to eat tomorrow.🙏

[@plym06]

so many options?? most of us have already chosen the option before we knew there was other options!!! we completely wasted our money on an inferior product that is now obselete

[@MattBloggs]

Dont know if youre reading comments Omar, but a thought to pass along to Marvel. This should be numbered on the back like they do with epics and Brubaker Cap. Label it X-Events 1. Then they can review all the other x omnis. Any that are events should be numbered (with gap fillers planned out) and then numbered on any reprints. If you then announce that planned numbering and what existing books are included it would cause less confusion for people in future

[@tylerscott6640]

Man, the drama! IMO double dipping isn't that big of a deal. Double and triple dip the shit out of events, just don't leave those issues out of the main line books. Like X-Tinction Agenda issues being left out of Claremont and Lee omni, and Hox/Pox and X of Swords left out of the Hickman omni. That's the stuff that drives me crazy.

[@oxmeatpete]

Wait you’re burying the lead here. The real questions are if Peter is reading to his daughter Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity before bedtime, does he do different voices for the characters? And if so can we hear his Thanos next livestream?

[@NMan40]

I’m still trying to figure out why there was criticism over the paper quality of UXM omnibus vol 5. I do understand there were some QC issues in regards to ink spots, pages sticking together, ripped pages, creased pages, and ripped/creased dust jackets. However, in terms of paper quality, I find that it is similar to the first printing of UXM omnibus vol 3(both vol 3 and 5 have almost the same page count). At a quick glance, the two books look like they are the same size. After months of close inspection, vol 3 is slightly thicker(not by much), but it is not that noticeable, to me. There are a large number of Marvel Omnis(as well as other books) from years ago that had paper that I thought was questionable, but I really never saw any complaints, back before 2016. Even looking back on some old forums, the paper quality of some books I thought were questionable, no one mentioned that. They seemed more concerned with the gutter loss or gutter roll and glued binding and the eye of the book. It wasn’t until around late 2020/early 2021 when the paper police came out in full force. Honestly, I think the majority of the people who have complained since then are newer collectors who never experienced some books from the past that also had questionable paper. There were some DC tpbs years ago that had paper that was one step away from tissue quality! The people nowadays would have gone crazy over that!

[@djsuth7727]

You're probably right - more collectors means more criticism. And for the record, I didn't find the paper quality in UXM vol 5 to be too bad either. I can think of several others in recent memory that were far worse eg. Aaron's Thor vol 1.

[@Katsudon305]

Thank you all. Hope everyone used this video to cathart from the discussion. I wasn't too upset about the announcement. Just made me decide I wanted the event book rather than X-Factor omnibus. Not the first time this happened to me, as a situation like this happened with War of Kings event and I own DnA GotG book. But... I liked having the full DnA GotG, if I want to do a straight re-read of Guardian. Man Omar, if there is a DnA Nova Omnibus, my dumbass would buy that. After reading World War Hulk omnibus, the only thing I would have preferred modified was that the hulk issue was integrated with the event. That would be it. All other tie ins should be after as I felt they really didn't add on that much. Thanks for the show.

[@sazmurph540]

For me, I'm good. I was always going to get X-Men v5 and X-Factor v1. I can pass on the MM Prelude but would be tempted to double dip if they put the books in release order in the omni. For example, X-Men 210 followed by X-Factor 9, etc.

[@ryanp8021]

It’s crazy to me that they don’t put them in order

[@MagicJulienBertone]

As an Epic Collections reader (I have been reading the main X-Men line), I would prefer the events to be collected in one place (preferrably the main lines) and I would LOVE if you could maintain, expand and update thes graphs for the Epic Collections and other titles!!

[@jsb8261]

I have that Infinity by Starlin and Hickman Omnibus still. It has absolutely become redundant at this point but I don't regret buying it.

[@ReneIsSpawn]

Marvel & Omar! Just save the headache and gave us The Nam’nibus

[@ReaperXC]

Once the messiah trilogy is collected, we probably will get carey and kyle/Yost omnibus that triple dip togethe4. And illbuy them all.

[@Stephen_D421]

😂😢

[@xposhboyx]

Okay, I guess this answers the question. No one at Marvel was scheming and plotting to take extra money from people. That's nice to know.

[@EarthsGeomancer]

If you take it a face value... They are a huge corporation. Read between the lines.

[@xposhboyx]

@@EarthsGeomancer I mean okay there's still the possibility that Omar has gotten up here to spread a bald-faced lie and that the entire thing was a secret plot to take an extra 50 bucks off of a few hundred people.

[@mattthompson3371]

@@xposhboyx LOL or perhaps they are all part of the illuminati.

[@thakatspajamaz]

@@EarthsGeomancer this. People are incredibly naive in here.

[@kman1084]

It is ironically hilarious that this whole debacle is due to how forgiving the X-office was about these first crossovers; you could stick to just one book and be just fine, not needing to read all of the books to get the story. After the success of MM, FotM, and Inferno, X-Tinction Agenda introduced the Part 1, Part 2, etc. of events as we’re used to them.

[@vincentimbesi3947]

Omar you do an amazing job and I really hope no one is blaming you for this situation. You do a great job! 👍🏼 Does anyone know if the Massacre Prelude Omnibus won’t include the letter pages? 🤔

[@DoctorPoo]

1496 pages is a lot. I’ll be fine with UXM 5 and the softcover XF epic. My personal preference would have been 2 smaller (700-800 pages) omnis that mapped like prelude. Dunno where I would have split it though. I just like sub-1000 page omnis. I still wish I’d gotten inferno when it was a split book.

[@bungleist1]

Perhaps the contents of UXM 5 minus the annuals and NM special in one book, and those plus the X-Factor material in the other?

[@gaebril131]

X-Factor, Longshot, and Nightcrawler makes one 700 page book, and you can happily call that one a prelude omnibus. No need to split off the New Mutants special IMO since that connects to the trial of Magneto.

[@theartistknownaszack9234]

I'm looking forward to the X-Men Mutant massacre companion book thingy

[@joshuahelmeke]

90K subs is a BIG DEAL! ❤🎉

[@bradmoleski6323]

Getting all the facts here about the original plans not including UXM5 this year is very interesting. I wonder, if marvel had said to the community in the spring of 2023 "Okay you have two options, you can have a UXM 5 NOW w/o the X-Factor issues, or you can wait another 18 months and get one WITH the X-Factor issues", would I actually have resigned to waiting that long, or would i have ultimately wanted all the UXM issues sooner than later...

[@mattthompson3371]

There is no way us X-heads would wait 18 months for another book. We NEED these now.

[@djsuth7727]

I would have waited for the more complete mapping.

[@miguellupi8709]

I bought Uncanny 5 and X-factor Epic 1 but knowing that in advance , i would have waited. I have read this material long ago and have lots to read besides X-Men.

[@BiggestDawgEver]

When you think about it, this was inevitable. The Omnibus line was always mildly infuriating with its focus on events and/or runs by specific creative teams. This always had the downside of creating gaps and orphaned issues and forced collectors to buy other lines if they wanted to plug the gaps and read everything. Personally, I prefer omnis that do series runs as complete as possible, with extraneous tie-ins. I get why people are mad, and yes, Marvel should have either included the X-Factor content or advised that this Massacre Prelude was forthcoming. Chalk it up to a mistake or corporate greed. At least they are telling you you can skip X-FACTOR vol. 1, if that is how you collect. I prefer having an Uncanny vol. 5 and X-FACTOR vol. 1, but from my perspective, I just wasted money buying Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants when now I know that I could have waited for Uncanny vol. 6 and 7.

[@williamlee2182]

I might be in the minority but I am okay with Uncanny 5. I would be more pissed if this Prelude gets a classic spine lol

[@danfrasco9564]

Same, I could care less about the X-Factor issues.

[@nathanhorsfall7635]

Omar you didn’t have to explain anything! But this was a well put together video! Love you and all your work.. my wallet hates you but thank you for all the Omni’s

[@GuramR1]

Am I angry with this announcement by Marvel? Heck yeah. But I already have the X-Factor Epic, so I have no reason to get MMP Omni. What I will be mad at is if MMP paper quality will be vastly better than the UXM5 Omni. Then I'll have no choice but to get it, because UXM5 print quality isn't the best.

[@mnm25chango2]

Omar, so grateful for all you do and I hope the negativity doesn’t get to you. I’m more annoyed/frustrated by cancellations and abandoning certain runs/stories than this. Going to be tough for me to figure out what to do about ultimate spider-man though lol On another note, do you think we’ll see age of apocalypse reprint anytime soon? I got my friend to read some x-books and he LOVES AoA, but some of the prices are crazy for that book.

[@MagicJulienBertone]

For the X-Men Epics, I wish Marvel would give the Mutant Events the Maximum Carnage treatment and print them in EVERY line!!!

[@Paddistic]

If I knew it was going to be this complicated I’d never had started… LOL

[@georgefeliu2383]

My reaction was I'll probably skip the Prelude although I would have preferred the Prelude. It just looks like bad PR for marvel. This comes out five or ten years down the road and the ran probably would have reacted "Finally! and double dipped." Now it looks like a money grab.

[@mattthompson3371]

There is no way us X-heads would have waited that long to put those stories on the shelf.

[@georgefeliu2383]

@@mattthompson3371 You misunderstand me. We would have bought both looking at the Prelude as an upgrade. Oh, and we will wait because we have no choice.

[@stephentheshywarrior2759]

It wouldn't surprise me that Ultimate Spider-Man 5 has Miles Morales Ultimate Spider-Man 1-5 and Ultimate 200 and then Ultimate End. As they do contain Peter and would be there for people that don't want to pick up the Miles omnis. What do.u think Omar?

[@josearrocha3377]

So I can skip prelude and just cop X-Factor. Thank you guys for clearing this up because I was all lost in the sauce.

[@NMan40]

Omar, I was going to ask you this tomorrow(Sat Nov 11)but I know you are going to be away. So, I’m going to ask now. Sorry if it is a bother. The question is, or perhaps comment…Bishop’s Crossing was the final X-Men OHC whale I wanted. For some reason, I could have bought it for a nice price in 2018 and passed. Then, it skyrocketed in price. I’ve been keeping an eye out for years. Then, all of a sudden, around Wed or Thurs, I noticed a bunch of reasonably priced copies on eBay and some even better priced ones on Amazon US. I jumped on that! So, what is the deal with that? The copy I bought a few minutes ago on Amazon was from a place that I have bought a ton of books from and it seems they have a bunch of them for sale at a nice price. Did they just find a stack of them laying around in their warehouse or is there something more to this? Again, sorry to bother you but I thought this was an interesting situation. Thanks!

[@warrenweaver6664]

I love how Omar explains not everybody buys X-men some people only buy Excalibur or X-Factor and I feel im the only one raising my hand ✋ for that like in a classroom lol 😂

[@hamzadawud]

I feel bad that you felt like you had to give an explanation at the beginning. Omar, I know this wasn't directed at me, but I never blamed you or cursed out Marvel for this decision. I'm just not sure which course of action I'll take now, since I already have UXM 5.

[@doublez_]

I think it would’ve been best for the community to break the news on Vol. 5 and MM prelude at the same time. Yes, it’d go against Marvel sales but still, there’s still so many options. They don’t have to reprint or print new X Omni’s in timeline order. It just felt so “last resort” after Vol. 5 was “broken”. Both books would be purchased and 1 would have better sales but come on. More than likely they would both be OOP easily. I see the two kind of similar to King in Black/Venom by Donny Cates.

[@animeshadow2]

Very nice .

[@sarahbembry7512]

Omar this isn’t your fault you’re just the messenger I’m just upset that this is the Omni everyone asked for in the beginning not thinking we would ever get this instead marvel shoves the beginning of how they want to do the x-men Omni’s for now on and wait later to release this. I felt like I was cheated out of my money and now I have to fork out more for a more expensive book when this should of came first. The fact is I do not like double dipping and I’m sorry marvel is doing that a lot lately and it’s not financially. Marvel needs to get their priorities straight down there and stop with this double dipping crap.

[@NearMintCondition]

I wish this was the omnibus I had gotten to announce the first time. It was one of my most wanted books we had mapped out.

[@xXCigarXx]

Mike Carey X-men era needs omnis for sure.

[@OMACexperiment]

Off topic, but if we were to get all the Krakoa era collected in order and fast, I am completely down for Krakoa era compendiums if it means we get it faster. I'll probably be in my 60's at this rate by the time we get all of that stuff properly collected in omnibus format!

[@bungleist1]

The Krakoa era TPB compendiums came out months after that material had already been released in TPBs of their respective series. If they do omni compendiums for the era, I suspect it will be the same.

[@xposhboyx]

Even though you guys are projecting the various volumes that might come in the future (Road to Onslaught, Onslaught Aftermath and all that) overall it seems like things are moving really slowly and there's so much to catch up with and more being created all the time. At the rate things are going, it could be 20 more years before we're anywhere near having all of the original UXM issues (through # 544) in Omnibus, let alone everything else that ran alongside, and what about everything from after that? Going to be a looooooong slow ride.

[@PeterMarinari]

While it seems like it could be 20 years or more, I think things are going to accelerate rapidly once the X-Men hit the MCU. What are we waiting for to complete an omnibus collection of original UXM on our bookshelves? Road to Onslaught. Post-Onslaught. Kelly/Seagle. Magneto War. X-Corp. Austen. New Age by Claremont. Brubaker. Fraction (2 volumes?). Gillen. (Those last four could be broken up different ways or be more event-oriented, but those are the broad swaths). That's 10-11 books, and Marvel isn't shy about releasing multiple X-Men books a year. I think the thing that's making it feel slower than normal is that X-Men releases in the past 2-3yrs have been about getting a lot of the Claremont-era omnis back into print.

[@AdamC2013]

Do we know that the mainline xfactor will continue? Because if not we will need to jump to event Omnibus regardless. Do we know how the mainline books will handle crossovers where each part is in a different title and the story would not make sense if you don't read all issues (modern day example is second coming).

[@jcaceres516]

Dont they always put a page detailing what happened in the other books?

[@AdamC2013]

@@jcaceres516 I'm probably too new to the hobby to answer :(

[@xposhboyx]

41:47 "Inferno Aftermath" would that even sell? It wouldn't have any Uncanny issues, right? I would love that book but imho it will not happen.

[@g-roy23]

Doesn’t need to, as long as it bridges a gap to the Jim Lee omnis it’s all good.

[@germaholic]

Honestly, I see why people are so angry about this, but I'm fine with it and probably won't buy the Mutant Massacre Prelude. If I want to read the first few X-Factor issues and see how Jean Grey comes back from the dead then I can always buy the first X-Factor epic collection whenever Marvel decides to reprint it. I'm happy with Uncanny X-Men volume 5, I like having the letters pages; the only thing I don't like about it is the spine. I'm pretty much set on X-Men, at least in the 80s, so yeah, probably woudln't buy volume 6, 7, etc. either even if that would've been my preferred format for that content, because I already bought the event omnibuses, what's done is done, and yeah, this hobby does get too expensive after a while and I'd rather spend the money on something else.

[@failure5864]

Personally, I find the early issues of X-Factor, and most the New Mutants to be boring and a tough read. I don't want any of those issues clogging up my X-men reading. I'm happy with UXM Vol 5. Yes, I would have rather purchased the prelude, but I see the value of keeping X-Men separated when it isn't a necessity.

[@JohnDeFoor]

I just don’t understand the idea of an Ultimate Spider-Man Omni Vol 5, considering the existence of Death of Spider-Man Omni. I would take Team-Up, Ultimate Galactic Trilogy, Ultimate Power, Ultimate Doomsday, and similar event titles and put them in their own line. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@g-roy23]

Marvel: Death of Spider-Man is an event *snort*🥸🤥

[@koonfasa]

I just can't figure out how I want this. What are you guys most double dipped comics? I think mine is probably Longshot and BWS Wolverine and I don't even have Uncanny 5! I mean they are my favourite stories, but really I think I have them each like 3 times already...

[@OrangeGeemer]

ahh the hell with it, I´ll keep my vol 5 and look at the positives: thinner omni and letter pages (and not having to read X-Factor 1-8 lol) Do epics get reprints?? can´t find that vol 1 on CGN, OPB or IST???

[@OrangeGeemer]

There will be TWO! new expanded omnis: The new Jim Lee Claremont Vol 1 will include X-tinction agenda The new Jim Lee Claremont Vol 2 will include Days of Future Present :)

[@PeterMarinari]

Other way around! 😉

[@djsuth7727]

Oh boy lol ! Don't give them ideas.

[@g-roy23]

Then after release they will announce a new addition to the line they retroactively rebranded as the “event line” called X-tinction Agenda Omnibus.🤥

[@PeterMarinari]

@@djsuth7727 Whether we like it or not, this is going to become reality in the future because it's almost certainly how the MMWs will be mapped once they get that far. That's exactly what Omar and I mean about the Claremont/Lee omnis eventually being superseded by the MMW line.

[@djsuth7727]

@@PeterMarinari I don't disagree with you, Peter. But it's all educated guesses at the moment. We think we see patterns in what Marvel is doing but they keep throwing curveballs that disadvantage the customer. Some official communication from them regards their future plans ( without getting into specifics ) would go a long way to maintaining customer trust. For me personally, I have almost all the X-men material I want ... I don't care for the franchise beyond AoA. I already own the relevant OOP OHCs, with the exception of Phalanx Covenant, so what Marvel does from this point forward doesn't really affect me, but I despair for newer collectors and the minefield they are now faced with navigating. My trust in Marvel has been eroded - in response to their antics with Prelude to MM I have cancelled a number of pre-orders I was "on the fence about" but willing to extend my support. My attitude has changed - it's up to Marvel to repair that relationship.

[@comicsdude1986]

do you think the whole mephisto vs mini could be in here? how else would that be in an omni?

[@rudirestless744]

I also thought about how i would have mapped IT and i come Back to the 2 omni solution. In the past both would have included issues of UXM and XF. Now that we have UXM 5 as the UXM part i would make a prelude companion. For me massacre never was an UXM or XF Story, IT Always was a Morlocks Story.. so this companion would include all the morlocks issues before massacre starting with issue 169 of uncanny and also include Marvel Team Up 135 and Others. In Addition IT would have the beginning of XF.. this would double Dip with UXM 3-5 with a few issues each and with XF 1 with the beginning of XF. IT also wouldnt be this behemoth of an Omnibus.. a Lot of the now presented prelude omni doesnt have to do anything with massacre, contrary to my mapping

[@ianmelton3688]

Hmmm… maybe the last Gambit mini by Claremont, then Days of Future Present, then X-Tinction Agenda as an Omni. Not sure for a title but almost all of it is Claremont.

[@JohnDeFoor]

Ultimate Invasion Gallery Edition could be extended to have Ultimate Universe 1 😇

[@peskyspider5103]

Honestly, I would have been okay to keep Uncanny 5 because I have the X Factor Epic collection anyway. However, they gave Uncanny 5 that awful new spine design with the tiny font. All my other Uncanny volumes have the old spine design so volume 5 sticks out and honestly ruins the entire shelf for my detail obsessed mind haha. So there is a decent chance I'll buy this prelude omnibus not for the extra content but simply for the better spine design lmao.

[@Krysten_now]

So only thing exclusive to X-Factor if getting the others are 2.5 issues??? Mephisto, Secret Wars and Marvel Fanfare?

[@OMACexperiment]

Ultimate 5 supposed to print the Hickman stuff?

[@NearMintCondition]

No that's the final issues leading into Miles.

[@rudirestless744]

So Here is my comment: Regardless of any explanation the facts still stand. UXM 5 IS still completely included in prelude. Marvel probably did prelude to give an extra solution, but its Not good for those, who already preordered and bought UXM 5. So people preordering are the losing Side. I know at least 5 better solutions. But with this Marvel lost me. I wont buy UXM 6 and forward and i wont buy prelude and i also wont buy XF 1 to 3. Thats Just my Personal conclusion and i will follow through with this. Anybody Else can come to a different conclusion, but i Just feel disrespected as a longtime buyer of Marvel. The best solutions now would have been a different Content for prelude or even Splitting Up prelude. And there we're definitely better solutions in the past, but this cant be Changed now. Sorry, but that IS how i See it.

[@inustaY]

Agreed!

[@HoodRich2324]

I follow the pokemon catchphrase gotta collect and read them all

[@MattBloggs]

Marvel should have waited 5 years and then put this book out. People would have been a lot less annoyed. There are so many books they could use that printer time for that arent currently collected. ASM6 or Xmen stuff after Inferno

[@trigganosis81]

Why were the Marvel Comics Presents issues containing X-characters orphaned???

[@ebilliot510]

Really don’t understand why anyone would be upset about the book. If you don’t like it then don’t buy it. It’s that simple.

[@EffigeeWhiz]

Because it’s a book that completely replaces a book that they only released 4 months ago and didn’t bother to let us know before they released it that they would be doing this. This is what people were asking Marvel to do for years and for them to do it after everyone bought volume 5 4 months ago was really scummy. If they had told us before it released, then it would have been fine and we could have waited if we chose to.

[@xposhboyx]

Yeah I think the issue is that there are a lot of people who would rather have held onto their money and buy the Prelude book. But instead they feel like they were tricked into buying "Volume 5."

[@EarthsGeomancer]

You don't understand the issue people are upset about.

[@xposhboyx]

@@EarthsGeomancer are you talking to me bro? I think I understand what most people are upset about, but whatever bug is up your ass, that might be specific to you.

[@g-roy23]

….they won’t. They do however have a right to voice that and discuss it. It’s that simple.

[@warrenweaver6664]

Original X-Factor was meh doesn’t get good till PD does his run which was phenomenal but early X-Factor was just like ew not good

[@joelgreenlee9421]

Is there any chance that they'll make a Matt Fraction/Ed Brubaker X-Men omni? Would it be good? Please stop talking mess about Epic collections. They are an amazing format

[@deadmousyplutaprestige8771]

I'm glad everyone calmed down. It made me sad to see so much anger wasted and especially with an election coming up. Save that hate Marvelites for others that need it more.

[@EarthsGeomancer]

I honestly think Omar is a bit too soft on Marvel.

[@NearMintCondition]

I’m not sure how hard you want me to go. What exactly did you want? I laid out exactly how things happened. Much like the changing of the spines there was no secret meeting taking place on how to piss people off.

[@solrac4733]

​@@NearMintCondition emotions are running high right now in the community. I think we all appreciate the bridge you build between Marvel and the community, but it's a bit sad that the company does not show face with this and offers either a public corporate apology or an explanation. We know that Marvel has the right to print what they want and how they want, yet they have lost a lot of credibility with the community with this cash-grabber action. It's not your fault because you are just the messenger and not a decision-maker at Marvel, but I find laughable the huge contradiction in Marvel's explanation "we have a long term view planning Vols 6, 7 and so on" and this "unexpected" Prelude to the Massacre release. Marvel should have been the ones doing this video.

[@NearMintCondition]

Thank you for explaining and I understand the frustration for sure. I just didn’t know how exactly the commenter wanted me to hit harder.

[@guillermojacum7014]

I think it was the worst timing for this release. It was not the release itself, it was the timing which was really frustrating. Had it been next year or so... Btw, seeing Peter Krisis teaming up with Omar is always lovely. One of my favorites team-ups ever 😂😊