Xaryu vs. Tyler1 - WoW or League: Which Is Harder?

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[@frosteazz731]

I never tought that my favourite part of this videos would be to listen to two dads talking about their kids. Love seeing dads so hyped about being dads

[@miroslavchudy5436]

Xaryu and Pika-League duo ranked. Just imagine. What a content!

[@marcusrevfalk5529]

Would be one of very few reasons for me to ever watch a league video ngl

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

I would pay to watch that

[@RAKCUO]

Pika leaving lane to roam at lvl 2 after xaryu dies

[@skoomas111]

Peak content

[@greenboysp]

Love how this conversation went to WoW vs LoL to very wholesome dad convos. Love it

[@nicolasquintal-adam1535]

The title should be "WoW, League or parenting: Which Is Harder?"

[@Stevekitty2369]

Parenting hands down

[@ChairmanMeow1]

Cool showing both web cams, mr. editor.

[@RageFireMaster]

Tyler talking about the buttons while hes unable to press any of his abilities is just golden :D

[@kingbirdIII]

It's pretty simple. In a vacuum, WOW is more complicated and harder. But League has way more competition and climbing to the top is harder

[@pittaaaabread]

I agree, another aspect of league is that there isn't muscle memory for the most part, every fight is different at least in terms of the very micro aspects. For example how good a players clicks are in a top lane match up drastically changes how a fight will go because of things like spacing. I actually think spacing is 1 of the things that would gate keep most wow players from hitting the upper echelons of league.

[@garagavia]

This is wrong, league is harder than wow, there is no vacum. It's more complex by far. The combat in league does not involve using as many abilities, but the game requires more skill to master overall. Wow is a hard game to master, but not as hard as league

[@kingbirdIII]

@garagavia see your wrong because it's pvp. The mastery is high because of the maturity amount of competition due to it's player count. I played League Season 1. The game evolved due to the number of players and competition. It was an easy game back then and it's fundamentally the same game today

[@ryanguardiano7830]

I agree with this best take I've read so far

[@stepjamm]

@@kingbirdIII you just described why league is the harder game - everyones win rate has always been around 50% therefore you lose half your games, if you wipe to half of your wow fights you're just bad. Any wow content can be beat with learning mechanics, but learning mechanics in league only gets you so far.

[@xaviergoulet-samoisette6023]

I think competing in the top, say, 5-10% of Wow arena players is actually more complex, harder to learn. For the most part, there are more things to optimize and execute perfectly in League though. More skill expression in total. Really, Tyler's just getting baited by how comparatively simplistic Classic is. Send him in the arena with Pika on retail, he'll learn and climb fast, but he'll also realize just how many factors there are to consider at all times.

[@atomicnectar]

i love how chill Xaryu is

[@cylordm6994]

League is more competitive, wow is harder. There is a huge difference.

[@stealthyturtles]

I want to see Tyler lead an Arathi Basin RBG at 2000+ rating

[@pokedadsam9041]

Yamato and t1 climb 2v2 arenas and pika/xaryu go to league duo ranked. Send it!

[@Pre1321]

Tyler really got cooked in two consecutive days by Pika then Xaryu lmao. Actually super fun conversations though and I have no reference for what game is actually harder at the top.

[@theo90907]

I think league is a tiny bit harder at the top, but his viewers seem to think league is wayyyyyy harder. Not true, plus it's just a completely different game.

[@QuentinHast77]

I've been a from the beginning type of player in both of these games, and I think new players can come into league and rank fairly high, as there's kind of an info cap ceiling with league in a rock paper scissors type of way. WoW however, there's too many mechanics, specialization and talent builds involved, along with a rotation that consists of more than 5 attacks. TLDR WoW at top tier PvP is harder.

[@beachrain8617]

@@QuentinHast77 With WoW PvP is you are so dependent on your teammates and then on top of that classes are always getting nerfed and buffed. It's not like you can just play one class every season and push rank 1. I know some rank 1 players and they have problems finding consistent teammates to push with. For a new player like Tyler he could probably play a DH and get a high rating getting coached and carried by better players. Then there is the Solo BG or Solo Arena, he could probably do okay in those. No way he pushes top rating as a range, healer or stealth class in 3s arena, not in a year or less.

[@USAnumberONE]

Tyler would make for a scary drug addict. The world is lucky he just plays games.

[@TheLiquidCastle]

also the 6 button comment isn't that far fetched, as it refers to combat-relevant-buttons only. wow also has another bunch of buttons for random shit, but that's not what is being talked about.

[@in2it85]

*League of Legends is A LOT more popular than WoW PvP.* *a VERY small portion of WoW actually do PvP compared to League's massive population.* *The learning curve AT THE BEGINNING to get better at WoW is harder than League for sure BUT,* *League is much harder at the top and because of the MASSIVE amount of competition compared to WoW.*

[@MilusWayne]

This needs to happen!

[@paulritchie9404]

Tbf what Tyler did in chess was actually amazing….. Like insane

[@Spectyrr]

I'd love to see how far tyler could get, he always gives it 110% and i think it'd be great to watch

[@leonardovasquez9011]

bro this was so wholesome, thank you so much

[@asdnkz]

41:00 "I got you" and he did get you what a homie

[@jwitt19]

Can we define "harder?" I feel like everyone has their own interpretation of it. Are we talking about getting to rank 1 in wow vs challenger in league?

[@MrAleB305]

Yes that's the comparison they keep making.

[@MrAleB305]

@ yeah I know that, the debate is whether its harder to get chall in LOL or R1 in Wow.

[@CaleShoemaker]

I think a huge difference between league and wow is league requires much more aiming and mouse accuracy while WoW requires more intense keybinds/button presses

[@joostleisder1956]

I think you're forgetting that you're at all times using the mouse for movement/camera management in WoW while using those keybinds/button presses.

[@CaleShoemaker]

@ you really don’t do too much with the mouse unless you’re trying to keep a cast in line of sight on someone running in circles around you. In league you’re panning the camera constantly

[@jymosin7]

Classic vs Retail is VASTLY different. T1 has no idea because he’s playing classic

[@TriggerJim88]

'Tyler you're doing great, man. Keep it up!' LMAO!

[@mykieww]

the father talk is so wholesome

[@etzu_gaming4779]

Classic WoW PvP vs Retail PvP is like playing Coop Game in League vs high Ranked League ---> Retail PvP is so much harder get into, not even close but playing at the peak top top R10 ladder games leauge might be harder, because it has the younger and better gamers. Also those two are very different games... WoW is like playing a Teamfight in League for 15 mins... not many ppl can comprehand that and stay focused enough to not make a mistake or take advantage of enemy mistakes... its just physicly so much harder than lol

[@illxander]

The only thing I would say Xar is underestimating is your teammates in a Moba. Especially that Moba.

[@illxander]

And that the wow "barrier" includes pve.

[@TamairaElise]

Tyler giddily exclaiming "Ahhh! I love babies! I could yap about babies all day." Is so sweet. It's really nice to hear two men express their joy in being fathers. I love getting to hear men be excited about the things their babies do and feeling comfortable to talk about how adorable and sweet they are. We have come such a long way from dad's being absentees or only disciplinarians. You two are going to raise wonderful, well rounded and emotionally intelligent kiddos by leading by example. Kudos!

[@Hydriann]

I'm sorry but as someone who has played both wow and league, league is way harder. The knowledge required for both is really really high but in league if any one of your teammates messes up, or learned something incorrectly your game will eventually become unwinnable and there are two extra people that have the opportunity to mess up in league.

[@Tee-ina-Skee-Mask]

not a fan of the T1 persona but Tyler, thats a dude i could have a beer with

[@gripped6184]

They sitting here arguing which game is better and all I can say is, LoL…WoW

[@xXClub10Xx]

Wazz himself hit GM in LoL and said it himself, League is way harder.

[@McBushington]

Biggest take away from this video... Baby sleeping in his own room 7-7 from 6 months old.... Xaryu is a lucky MFer. I am so jealous.... 3 kids and they were all horrible sleeper.

[@maxogge]

I think t1's guess of pika getting to diamond in one year is good. We saw grubby go hard in dota2 for a year, getting coaching and benefitting from wc3 and dota's similarities. Grubby got to low Immortal rank, which is the same as diamond in terms of percentile of ranked players.

[@Garian9]

Xario, love the bear poking.

[@calengatt5371]

Tyler is so right about league being harder I was 7 when I started playing wow, I was 2.4k rogue in cata and also played league since season 1, wow is so much easier

[@ethanbolger7769]

In here early! Xar your content got me into WOW Classic, keep up the good content man sending love!

[@TheLiquidCastle]

if u dont factor in PVP, league is easily harder. if u take PVP into consideration, both have their nuances, but league might be harder. then again, dota2 is also harder than league and less friendly for beginners, but still more fun, once u got into it. same as WoW PVP (in wotlk and cata terms at least) is more fun than either of the mobas imo. so league is not the hardest, yet the least fun, whether u're comparing within mobas or across genres xD looking back, i wish i didn't sink 5 years into that and knew to just go start learning dota. edit: oh and league, besides being the least fun of these games, is by far the worst from a visual point of view. clearly not just in terms of HD textures, etc. as older wow expansions dont keep up in that regard either, but they have their visual charm, unlike league which, no matter what patch, always looked off and goofy. xqc wasn't wrong when he said league "lacks soul" compared to dota.

[@johnwhick7419]

Didn’t Tyler just congrats Ludwig for hitting bronze in 3 months. And he’s saying a pro couldn’t plat in year. He’s nutz.

[@pokedadsam9041]

39:31 my kid was bad at crawling, his head was in the 99% percentile; he started running before he learned how to crawl properly.

[@arkalion05]

Anyone knows how he has Treat value on the left of the unit plates? Is this a Plater option or a plater mod or?

[@jcuttyfoe]

The difficulty of the game AND the odd community are BOTH what makes it hard to get into WoW. Both of you guys are correct

[@eljima6036]

grubby hit immortal in dota in ~ 1 year, league aint as hard as dota, so yeah, he definitely could. Granted, grubby did have camera movements and natural ability at the top-down style, but pika is a gamer.

[@TheLiquidCastle]

it also plays a huge role, whether they're being taught - not carried - but taught. if wow pvp is being explained to u, it's easier to get into than league, same as climbing in league is easier with a coach to understand gamestates and correct choices to be made. if you go into either blind and learn from just playing, league is probably easier to get started with, as u get absolutely farmed in wow pvp, but both are horrendous to learn and climb without any guidance/advice.

[@brandonmarcus4415]

RTS games like SC2 have really crazy mechanical barriers i feel accompanied by the strategy and timings probably the hardest type of game overall

[@QuentinHast77]

I've been a from the beginning type of player in both of these games, and I think new players can come into league and rank fairly high, as there's kind of an info cap ceiling with league in a rock paper scissors type of way. WoW however, there's too many mechanics, specialization and talent builds involved, along with a rotation that consists of more than 5 attacks. TLDR WoW at top tier PvP is harder

[@lasekmmmk7785]

T1 players retail arena. Xaryu does LoL. One month chall. Person highest wins. Set up an equivalency board. Like diamond in lol is equal to glad and break it down into ranks/mmr and see who wins

[@subtleknife1]

17:54 but Xar have you thought about WoW… in a sphere?? 🤔🤔🤔🔮

[@mazmundie]

the dad gamer chats are for real

Having played league since 09, and wow since 06...I can say for certain that league of legends is a harder game to gain rank on, than world of warcraft. A super casual player can easily grind to 1800-1900 in 2s with a friend, if they put in the time to grind. If those people were equally as good at league, and put in the SAME amount of time, they would not get anywhere near the ELO they would in WoW. If a player is good at wow, they might be good at other games. If a player is good at league, they will definitely be good at every single other game that exists.

[@STNJ_YT]

Geronimo is a wild name drop to try and prove a point lmao.

[@MM-ho7kb]

I played high rank arenas and high rank league. Arenas have way too much shit to focus on. If I am not having an extra brilliant day I know that I should not rank. League however is quite easy for most until high level team battles. And you can make those easy if you managed to crush your lane. Arena is just full focus mode continuously until one person fucks up

[@A38]

100%. Go figure that the game with orders of magnitudes more abilities to think about at any given moment and diminishing returns to keep track of is the harder of the two, lol. Arena is PROHIBITIVELY difficult, but League and other similar MOBAs are simple by design to keep some semblance of user-friendliness (as evidenced by its widespread popularity across multiple cultures.)

[@garagavia]

You are lying, very obvious bs.

[@MM-ho7kb]

@@garagavia which spells on each class will trigger diminishing returns ? Who has already used those spell in the enemy team? What’s the cd? How long until they can use them again? Which long, medium and short cds does their healer have to look for a window? How do this align with your and your team mates? Etc etc dtx

[@MM-ho7kb]

@@garagavia the answers to those questions take 1 second in league. They would blow your mind in wow retail

[@ziggs123]

100% arena 3s drains my brain power, longer sessions are actually exhausting af

[@Phymatic]

I would love for a high end PvPer do a VoD review of a 3v3 match with T1.

[@soulflame99]

imagine thinking reaching challenger and glad are anywhere close to equal. "Nah dude rank 1 is hard in WoW" By that logic try to get rank 1 in league.

[@nick1177]

rank 1 means something different in wow than actually being "rank 1"

[@nickagin8381]

Thought I was gonna watch a dungeon with loads of trash talking..which is good. Ended up being the most wholesome video ever!

[@benheggie]

I think it's pretty obvious that Wow requires more micro skill while League require more game knowledge / macro skill.

[@garagavia]

League requires more micro and macro skill, but wow has more abilities per character. Overall league is harder but wow is also quite hard

[@nyghtfal]

@@garagavia as someone who got glad in WoW and also diamond in early days of LoL s1,s2. I do understand both perspectives and difficulties to a degree. I think for a fresh person to the game for one year, it’s harder to climb in WoW arena compared to league. Obv each game has their intricacies but it’s physically harder to actually play the game (wow) compared to league. In league you can literally chain queue and find teammates automatically. In WoW, you have to engage with the god awful LFG system. Find 2 other people that have an idea of what to do, find the right class comp. Find reliable people to play with consistently. Theres so many fukin hoops to jump through for WoW arena compared

[@jessieansell6168]

WoW arena is a deeper/taller game, LoL is a wider game. Overall the total complexity of League and the variables that go into it make the game harder to learn, because you have to sort through more bull shit to find the missing pieces to level up your game. Not to mention the feedback isn't immediate like in WoW. You mess up in WoW arena, you will know immediately (or within the span of a cooldown timer). League, you can go 45+ minutes and not realize you backing instead of dragoning at minute 6 lost you the game.

[@Scionofgreyhaven]

I've always said WoW PvP is so unique and definitely harder to be at the very best than most other MMOs and competitive games, You just have to had played the game for awhile to understand why. That being said it's hard to compare different genres and skillsets, is it harder than the top LoL or something like SC2? Debatable but there are definitely more niche and complicated pvp games out there for sure so it's ok if one is less difficult/complex, The problem with WoW is that it's harder to watch and understand what's going on and that's why it's not as successful as an esport. PvE is also another conversation entirely

[@thomasoday7375]

"but i was 12" LMAOOOO

[@edgybravo4287]

Do it challenge him if you guys are so sure you're correct. Tyler does ranked wow pvp for a year and Xaryu does ranked solo q for a year let's see who is right it's easy to solve boys.

[@marvinasas2060]

That would actually be fun, but T1 is dogshit in league. I don't know how good xaryu is in wow internationally. But that experiment would be more interesting with someone like agurin playing wow

[@MrAleB305]

@@marvinasas2060 T1 is definitely not dog shit at league lol.

[@TheNiceCreamMan]

@@marvinasas2060 challenger is dogshit?

[@marvinasas2060]

@@MrAleB305 Dog Shit is too much, I agree.

[@marvinasas2060]

@@TheNiceCreamMan *NA challenger. On a proper server he's hardstuck master at best.

[@musicilike69]

Can't say as I have never played this game League of Legends probably because the title sounds like something a Disney studio would name.

[@Rosa_Neco]

also the cute baby talk at the end was so god dang cute!

[@TrentTube]

I've played both at a Gold rank level, tho, long ago. WOW is harder, by a lot.

[@joemay5]

I've literally never watched Tyler1 I only ever see him in other people's content.

[@atomicnectar]

i love the baby talks fr looking forward to that

[@DarkDiDi]

Honestly, it's hard to compare since the challenges in both games are different. If you put a LoL Challenger into WoW and then a WoW 3v3 Rank 1 into LoL, I can't predict which one would achieve the equivalent rank first. But based on my own experience, WoW feels more difficult.

[@dakotatucker4056]

Challenge T1 to get R1 in the new retail season

[@opinionshurt2905]

Let’s be real, WoW PVP is on another level. Here’s the one single reason why. LoL has a ban stage, WoW doesn’t. There you go. In WoW, you roll your comp and adapt. In LoL, the comps are curated thanks to the ban stage.

[@aKindred]

You literally made an argument against yourself, you can run the same ass composition over and over all the time, you don't have to adapt at all, only care about enemies League you have to actually learn everything about the game to climb, multiple champions/lanes/builds/matchups

[@opinionshurt2905]

@@aKindred Set lanes goes for my argument. Ban stage goes for my argument. There may be dozens and dozens of champions, but theyre all similar with a basic amount of abilities. Champions counter eachother by design. In WoW, there is no “counter” to anything. Well, except frost mage, they’re OP. But all other classes can be stomped by any other class if one player is even slightly better than the other, and you dont get the option of choosing not to play against frost mage in ban stage.

[@Kiwiasbrooo]

Imagine T1 and dendi getting into it hahahaha

[@brandonwalker4767]

Love to explain to tyler1 as someone whos played MOBA's and WoW both for 15 years at top 5% why leage is infinatly eaasier.

[@garagavia]

Lmao obvious bs

[@simaboather5360]

the only knowleadge you need for lol is gear composition and positioning. With the right gear comp you can kill 1 v 3 manny champions. At the higher lvl the problem is they wont fight a one v one if they are not ahead or untnumber you!

[@goodjob4449]

As someone who has been very highly ranked in wow, a moba (dota) and one or two other games, I can pretty confidently say the whole exercise of arguing "what is harder" is quite pointless. Regardless of the particulars of any game, if there is sufficient complexity to in practice offer an infinite skill ceiling (there always is; see go, chess, etc. "simple" games), any top tier performance is essentially almost equivalent given the population is sufficient to offer a decent competitive environment. Wow has(had) 100 buttons to press, league has 5 buttons and 200 heroes and both have the same core principle that you are vs people.

[@aKindred]

Even if something is simple it can be hard in high competitive enviroment, but this argument isn't about difficulty, it's about if a wow player could hit high levels in league or vice versa, league is much more competitive game, wow pvp has no players to compete and get better, that's it

[@goodjob4449]

@@aKindred Wow used to have people though. Regardless, skills acquired in almost any competitive environment are at least somewhat translatable, and we are almost talking about something like doing relay or hurdling vs sprint here in terms of translatable skills..

[@Az00069]

Wow definitely takes a higher reaction time when talking about high rated 3v3s. Of course there's more to it but that part is undebatable.

[@goodjob4449]

@@Az00069 Missing my point.. Also, assuming one reaches 0.1% in a high paced competitive game, they have the requisite reaction time for other games too. People seemingly paradoxically both overestimate and underestimate the requirements for high level competitive performance in games.

[@Az00069]

@@goodjob4449 No, I'm not missing your point. Yes, the top 0.1% of each game "probably" has the reaction time required to do well in both. But not definitely because there would be no way of knowing unless they actually did it. Their reaction time would not be exercised to the same extent if they just play LoL because WoW takes a higher amount of it to reach that 0.1%.

[@mcfarvo]

"It's 6 buttons"

[@jonathanarie2813]

I've played both casually. Played ranked league till season 6 I think and my highest achieved rank was platinum 1 at the end of season 5. Playing mostly Rengar and kha'zix jungle. I played a lot of Wotlk. A lot. My most played expansion and still playing mostly it. I liked rogue so i tried subtlety. Wasnt having the greatest of success so i tried mutilate rogue. As far as I was concerned I was doing great. Until i tried arena. Never achieved any meaningful rank to get any good pvp gear. While I do think league has a higher ceiling in the pro scene, as a casual player I must say it is a lot easier to achieve some mediocre rank than it is in wow.

[@80AM.]

Love the banter onlyfangz content keeps improving. I'm enjoying it thoroughly

[@jacobs.7205]

IDK but I can tell you which one is 1000% more likeable

[@WanderingNasi]

xario is vastly underestimating how hard it is to just right click well enough to play league at a high level. It makes sense that a wow player is only thinking number of buttons to press when they barely touch left and right click. In league you maybe only have 6 keybinds, but the APM much higher than he's expecting.

[@joostleisder1956]

The fact you think you barely right or left click in WoW just proves you've never done arena. I'm far more active with my mouse in WoW. LoL is just WC3 with only the hero, albeit slightly more complex abilities. Go micro 10 headhunters in WC3 (let alone a full ~60 supply army) and tell me again you need a lot of APM for LoL.

[@WanderingNasi]

@ coming from someone who has probably never played league or ever made it out of bronze

[@WanderingNasi]

@ try to attack move click while trying to cs, dodge/aim skillshots, and watch the map for ganks/rotations.

[@1ll1c1t_one]

LoL's main problem from a wow perspective is the movement.

[@rettbull9100]

Team was locked in on the MC boss.

[@Regnen1978]

Headline should be baby talk.

[@mand0776]

There may be only 39 specs total for WOW but also not everyone has the same talent builds. They could be similar though. If you are starting as an under geared noob then you will have issues there as well. The top rank Arena players have the best gear for PVP. So until Tyler1 can accrue enough currency to buy the best gear, he will also need to place in top rank to get that gear as well. It can be done but he will be at a disadvantage the whole time.

[@lilhurricanehowell8908]

I would say wow a lot harder

[@garagavia]

Then you would be wrong

[@lilhurricanehowell8908]

@ how what’s your highest cr in 2s 3s

[@lilhurricanehowell8908]

@ what’s your cr

[@lilhurricanehowell8908]

I can say this have been playing this for 20 years and I still can’t get glad on league im challenger and I also have friends who are diamond and multi rank 2 and hero of alliance and horde and they are top rank in league and cod

[@Mangrovius]

As someone who has played both games for well over 10 years, my lack of insane mechanics is much less punishing in WoW. I can play a Resto Druid at a very high level, but have not made it past Diamond 5 (back in the day) in League and probably won't hit Diamond if I tried now. So for people with experience in both games I'd say League is harder. BUT, WoW is simply an experience game. My knowledge of the class design in the game translates heavily to my ability to play and excel in WoW PvP. And getting a proper feel for how each class works (played em all at least a bit and fought em all 1000s of times) Takes forever. In League, this is not the case at all. Learning everything you need to excel in League is easier than it is learning all keybinds and abilities of every class and their uses, and it is not even remotely close. I'd say if you have no experience in either, that not only League is easier, but Retail WoW is simply a lost cause. I don't believe anyone who's never played the game now can reach the level of a WoW veteran even in a full year of playing. But I do believe an exceptionally talented player who never played League can get it done in 1 year. TL;DR: League is harder for players experienced in both, WoW is harder for people inexperienced in both.

[@A38]

Totally wrong, lol. Retail WoW arena is so much more prohibitively difficult than League it isn't even funny. Let the playership numbers speak for themselves, the average WoW player is turned off before achieving 1800 rating (which from an arena players' perspective is quite entry-level.) A one-trick pony could pick up League, play one character for MONTHS, and achieve platinum by only ever experiencing the game from one perspective. There is absolutely no chance a new player could pick up WoW and achieve 1900+ rating in just a few months, even as a one-trick pony. There is simply no chance.

[@1Grainer1]

as a dota player, so by definition by having 100 hours there i'm like in top 100 challangers but those games are so different and getting experience in one will give you easier time learning the other, learning basic human responses is already an advantage in pvp games, LoL will require way more planning and adapting to game state, as for WoW it requires way quicker assessment of danger, like "do you need to interupt it or leave keep interupt ready", in case of dota you need a lot of planning on the fly should you hit the camp, push lane, rat, play solo as distraction or with team, etc. this gameplay is way more dynamic in that sense as you need to keep in your head where enemies were, if they have TPs, buybacks, how long since they were last seen etc... this way you can swing even games where other team has 30-50k gold advantage... and if you look at lower mmr from top perspective (13k+), low mmr immortals (7-9k) aren't that much different from archons/gold(3k) gameplay skills are comparable, one just moves more efficient on the map and is better with building items, both are often quite blind when it comes to map awarness or predicting enemy movement but damn, i love that baiting and triggering they do, that's a good content instead of some dramas

[@garagavia]

@@A38 This is written by someone who has close to no idea about how difficult league is. Sure arena is very hard, but League is much harder. This is obvious to anyone who has played both games at a high level

[@joostleisder1956]

You say you play resto druid at a high level - what level exactly do you consider high? Please don't tell me 2400 when the R1 cutoff is at 3200. Because your take is literally the opposite of my experience. WoW requires the execution, LoL requires the knowledge.

[@Mangrovius]

​@@A38you respond to my message saying totally wrong, but clearly didn't read the message as we literally both claim that an inexperienced player has no shot at making it to the top in WoW, but could do great in League as a onetrick. Maybe read before starting an argument 😂

[@KJab21512]

"The Oxford Companion to Chess lists 1,327 named openings and variants" And thats just listed. Don't bring my homie chess into this. Y'all both lose. 😂 As much as I'd like to side with WoW. Y'all ever check out the playlist for league strats/gameplay guides? 🤯

[@nick1177]

it's worth noting Tyler hit 1900 in chess in a year. He's at least aware of the challenge

[@KJab21512]

@@nick1177 Yeahh, I made the comment midway through I admit. Didn't expect him to bring up watching tournament gameplay. He would know exactly what I was picturing. Boring as it kind of is to watch; some commentators go hard af showing all the combos in the moment. The knowledge and awareness goes crazy.

[@stevennashington1274]

Loved this

[@pizzathehutt6746]

Daddy stream time wholesome af.

[@r-e1862]

Leagues ladder is solo Q. Arena is 3v3. The biggest gate keeping aspect to arena isn’t even the game, it’s social networking to Q. League doesn’t have this problem

[@perlek5041]

Imagine having tonka carryin you in stratholme

[@Stevekitty2369]

I can do baby talk ALL DAY!!! I got 5 they drive me crazy but wouldn't change a thing. My boys are amazing all different but the same

[@perlek5041]

Mine sleeps from 9pm to 9am ish. Soon 5 years old an has been doing that for almost 4 years now. Was a pain the first year because it shared bed with us that time

[@pempers1885656]

...okay lets cut the bullshit. In wow YOU HAVE TO know all the classes abilities and counters and idea how to deal with them while keeping track of CDs DRs etc. In league yes you kinda gotta know the Champs as well but tracking the mini map and your max 15sec cds while usually having time to think a lot during combat is just way way differnt and easier than wow Arena

[@lockdomonx9329]

wow is literally harder because its so dead it takes 45 minutes to look for a team and they leave after 1 game. That isn't related to actual gaming at all thats called blizz devs are trash. If both games were equal queues, and equally easy to find a game league would be harder to hit challenger in. With more players in wow the learning curve wouldn't be so harsh and you could actually play the game. "Wow is hard because you literally can't play." - Pikaboo

[@garagavia]

Not really, in wow you have to know the meta specs that are played on the season and their key abilities, but you don't need to know every spec in the game, and you don't need to care about their items in general. There are more spells in a wow arena match than a league game, but the amount of knowledge in league is much higher, and also the amount of skill required to play well is much higher across many more dimensions.

[@Witelol]

if u think top challenger league players only "kinda know the champs as well" you are kinda delusional my dude

[@80AM.]

It's a silly argument. Both are difficult games.

[@pempers1885656]

@ no one denies that ? Tf

[@KassSaiyajin]

How many people are actually rank 1 exculding alts? Like Rank 1 is probably closer to top 100 challenger. Also a ton of the best league players dont play solo queue a ton so the actual top of the top in league isnt the same as top challengers.

[@garagavia]

no the best players in league do play soloqueue

[@KassSaiyajin]

​@@garagavia"don't play a ton" isn't the same as don't play at all. Obviously the top pros play some solo queue, but most of their time is spent in scrims/vod review/match prep and playing pro games most of the year. They don't have the same time as a multi challenger grinder or streamer for solo queue. The level in solo queue would be significantly higher if the best players played more.

[@1ll1c1t_one]

We need T1 Pika Xaryu 3's in retail

[@Crytler]

Omg I have actually hated Tyler since I saw him, but the way he is when he talks about his kid has actually made me like the guy

[@Goudafarmer]

Both games can be insanely hard or insanely easy at times.

[@xiway8858]

Played both pvp arena since TBC and League since season 1 with the same kind of fair amount of tryhard, for the same kind of results ~top 0.5%-1% (Glad peak in wow in s8 - D1 Peak in league in S4) They are fairly close in skill requirements

[@Constantinus_Apollyon]

12 yo having a MacBook Pro but not able to afford a mouse is CRAZYYYY MAD 😂😂😂

[@Zeblury]

you could easily add top mm+, pve is challenging as well

[@Flatcoatedretriever2]

If people really think that WoW Arena is anything close to high end LoL they are just full delulu.