Toxic Mage KILLS Healer Over Loot Drama (in Hardcore WoW)

[@Blacklabel]

The fact he was charging for int buffs... and they let him stay in the group is a big red flag.

[@gl0Ppy]

to be fair, the man should be permabanned, but anyone staying in that group is insane lol

[@froggin-zp4nr]

Imagine how much he charged for the water. Mage is unhinged I'm surprised he isn't aoe farming

[@tc7584]

I really don't see how blizz could ban him though. I mean it's their mechanics. It's f'd up but that's what hardcore is a crazy world.

[@vibesmagma8451]

@@tc7584 because you signed the tos

[@peterbach1126]

@@tc7584 lmao how stupid can u be?

[@Trees36547]

This should be a perma ban from the hardcore realm

[@Odyssey636]

Nope bnet

[@olddutchy4889]

100%

[@KohtehYT]

for the healer 100% greedy sob stealing someone elses drop

[@Zaiqahal]

Eh, that seems a bit ridiculous. Just be glad he was banned at all.

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

@@KohtehYT we found the mage's YT acc 🤣

[@lol0999]

That's not a grief, that's a bloody assassination.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Wasn't this exact comment on guzus vid of this? Lol

[@jacobanderson2285]

can you explain it too me ? I don't understand how a guy in the group killed another guy in his own group I guess im just a noob.

[@lol0999]

@@jacobanderson2285 The boss will mind control someone, when mind controlled they attack other party members and can be attacked. What you need to do is damage the party member to low-medium health and wait a few seconds. They did this but the mage went all in and finished them before the mind control expired.

[@Kanoog]

It's a grief.

[@colaphoenix6849]

@@jacobanderson2285 ye thet boss is a wraith like in warcraft 3 and posses one of the party members if that helps. i just got possesed today on a normal server and almos tkilled our hunter while i was possesed

[@redolinu7497]

9 minutes in the video and I am surprised they don't counter argue his "You can't control crits" with "You see that the Priest is at 53% hp and it needs to be below 50%. How on earth can you ever justify Frostbolt -> Fireblast -> Cone of Cold to deal 4% damage???" But yeah regardless it was already 100% clear it's a grief

[@andreihlen7597]

Why keep yapping when everyone knows it anyways

[@divictus4835]

@@andreihlen7597 Yup, better to report the trash and move on

[@okamiseven]

we need 60 priests so bad, he didnt just screw over the individual priest, he screwed over the whole 60 scene

[@willowthorns]

The priest shouldn't have been a loot whore. Don't be loot whores, don't get face smashed in Strat UD. Pretty simple.

[@Zestymf-g7x]

he killed future dungeon runs for entire generations lol

[@camilocastillo5377]

ive played priest my whole life.. the only reason im needing on that is if im gonna learn it on the spot... thinking your gonna sell that stupid recipe to piss off someone who could really use it is just dumb... its hardcore always be aware of the consequences

[@coryp6868]

​@camilocastillo5377 player vengeance isn't a "consequence to be aware of" in a game where it's bannable. If there is a white dice on the loot, you have an equal right ✅️

[@trentongardner2106]

Got him. Maybe next time the priest will understand he's a healer and beneath all other players. It's on him for not outplaying the mechanic.

[@KW-ps6hk]

"You can't ban someone for a mechanic". No offense to whomever said that, but man thats not a smart take. EVERYTHING in the game is a "mechanic". The literal definition of the word griefing is to abuse in-game mechanics to get a negative emotional reaction from someone... in-game.

[@SlayNorway]

getting banned for something that is intended in a game is ridiclous. doesnt matter if its intentional or not. if its so bad maybe change the mechanic?

[@apierson244]

Cringe take, L ​@@SlayNorway

[@deezus24]

Well you can't prove intent. It's literally impossible. Unless the person outright says why they did it in which this case he did. Dude could be giga stoned and saw a red enemy and attacked. In what world can you prove it's a grief? If he didn't outright say that's for rolling on the flask then you couldn't prove greifing.

[@mokymode1206]

it is indeed a dumb take, although for this specific case i think it's blizzards fault, this shouldn't even be possible in HC although im sure people would cry if even the slightest change was made to the game, so maybe there's no winning for blizz

[@raizan1526]

​@SlayNorway brother, the idea of punishment is to discourage certain behaviour. This behaviour is toxic and ruins the game's environment. By that logic, killing someone with a knife shouldnt be punishable, because knives are meant to cut through things, its literally a mechanic of the universe breh. punishment isnt over what a mechanic is supposed to allow for, but over the intention and the harm caused for another player, in a non consensual context (that is, not makgora, or pvp). Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's ok to do it.

[@JAY-lz6os]

Also people saying 7 day ban, his stream showed he got a 28 day ban...

[@energyoneeighty2887]

but he was back on a couple days later from what I heard.

[@Odyssey636]

He deserved perma from battlenet so he loses d4 cod and retail too

[@STNJ_YT]

​@@energyoneeighty2887this happened less than 48 hours ago. There hasn't even been a couple days ago

[@JAY-lz6os]

@@energyoneeighty2887 He made a new account with a new character

[@shleyLX]

Good, play loser games win loser prizes.

[@0ffd]

That kitchen pc setup is high level IQ status lmao

[@michaelscharf_official]

just changed mine a few weeks ago, never want to have it in any other ways tbh.. no forgotten pizzas, coffee and fridge not to far :D its insanely good!

[@paro2210]

My apartment is small enough that I cant have it any other way. Its great!

[@TheUnone]

my aunts' home is like this, her IQ is rly low tho. This is how it looks like. in her apartment. (Bruh, it looks like a gun) Wtf, it took 11min ;D But, satisfying. ____________________⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀______________________________________________ |⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀|________________________| Toilet⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀|Bathroom⠀⠀⠀ | Bedroom⠀⠀ ⠀⠀| |PC/TV room⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀||||||||||||||||||Kitchen|||||||||||||________===_|___===________|______________ ⠀ |⠀⠀⠀ |_______===___________⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀_________________________________________________________| |⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀|⠀| entrance| |⠀⠀⠀kids room⠀⠀⠀|⠀|⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀| |___________________|⠀|__===____|

[@TheUnone]

It could be rng, that's what I mean. Just the way apartment is built, he could've gotten it coz the cost etc. Honestly, to me, a hot ass kitchen air/flying oil/etc food stuff is making it more of a bad thing, idm dashing to kitchen 7sec or walking from it balancing a soup on the edge ofca bowl like Jackie Chan in Drunken Master, all the way, rly glad it's distanced.

[@Kanoog]

My new apartment, I set up my computer in the living room that is right next to the kitchen. I could literally roll to get food or a drink if I wanted.

[@NyreWarbringer]

09:00 perfect thing that gm's should do lmao ''pick your poison'' treatment. you grief, you get griefed, then MUST restart.

[@AliziaKaline]

From someone playing since Vanilla, it's shocking to see so much people in chat saying it's normal to all need on BOE... This was rare and very frowned upon at the time. WoW changed so much, and not for good...

[@gerardodiaz6260]

the generation of kids playing our game today are mostly trash human beings and you can clearly see it

[@nickandreyev766]

Idk, people have been needing boes for ages now. If you have not agreed upon boe rules at the start of the run, everyone can roll need, because they actually need the gold, since its value is really high at this point.

[@Peter_Griffaaa]

it makes sense tho, you can claim you need it it for a your prot spec as a fury warrior, you'd just have to trust someone to not sell it on AH, which sucks ... it probably only happens with epic boe's, and when it happened in classic 2019 I always talked about it with group before rolling

[@adjustingmythreshold233]

I always discuss with the group before dungs that we need on boes UNLESS someone is there specifically for that boe. I always tank so it’s not hard for me to convince people that’s what we’re doing.

[@silvioantonio6952]

i can see what you are talking about, but this is not the point, the mage 100% griefed the priest, and there is no excuse for what he did.

[@benjaminhartman4488]

Honestly when dealing with general pop everyone should need, but if this is a guild run you better expect homies to pass on that if your class needs it.

[@Purriah]

@@benjaminhartman4488 no, f that too.

[@archologyzero]

​@@Purriaheveryone in your guild hates you

[@azaldie]

Bro, that "Mage logs back in, GM mind control and another GM does to him exactly what he did to the priest" would be the most savage and appropriate retribution imaginable. People who intentionally kill others in HC like this is the shit-stain underneath the people at the bottom of the barrel of Multiplayer gamers.

[@trentongardner2106]

I got killed by a player when hardcore first came out. Since then I've killed as many players as I could of. Now it's my favorite thing in the world. Nothing feels better than taking other people's time.

[@ankoo439]

The dude should be banned one full day for every hour on the character he killed. 200 hours in? 200 days ban. Or just perma him. Seriously this kinda childish toxic behaviour will not benefit anyone. Just get rid of him.

[@Odyssey636]

Perma from bnet id what he deserved. That way he loses retail accounts, d4, and cod

[@kel1770]

U guys are american for sure. Someone does something u dont like and u go nuclear on punishment. Ban seems about right, but u guys seem to have some weird retribution fetish.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

​@@Odyssey636glad everyone seems to be in agreement.

[@dangerousfelon]

Bans are permanent. Suspensions aren't. Get a clue

[@e.p.s.9037]

​@@dangerousfelonLet me guess, you're on the griefer's side but you can only split hairs

[@Zleec]

The "if you pass youre very nice" was not the standard 20 years ago. Back then it was expected.

[@joeblowe3180]

I think that's a bit "rose colored glasses". I feel like it was more similar than you're remembering

[@wiwog525]

20 years ago boe was fair game for anyone if pugs were involved

[@der_husdo4610]

He’s a Gigachad if his toilet is also in his kitchen

[@zottirgen]

I bet he figured out some sort of a diaper rotation system

[@Jagar_Tharn]

He is sitting on it, and the shelf is where the keyboard rests.

[@slamminsammy941]

The gigachad is the priest not the warrior ur talking about . Completely wrong person but continue your convo about the warrior in the kitchen .

[@TimJBucci]

A bucket-seat is 10 days deep.

[@rrreadynowww]

Cook rp

[@Everdred]

The whole need thing is super annoying because if you are in a group with someone the groups focus should be keeping each other alive and strengthening the group which means within this dungeon letting people roll on the things they actually will use it's not exactly fair to say something will sell well so it's better than giving it to the person you're literally grouping with

[@KW-ps6hk]

I will almost always pass on a BOE if I know there's someone that can use it especially the Tank or the Healer, but as you say, I have no expectation that anyone else will do so and I don't believe there any unwritten rule or bro-code that demands BOE items go to the person that can use them.

[@JoeDirtyist]

Yeah, well, when an item is worth 1000g on the AH I think it's safe to say we all need that. Obviously, bind-on-pickup items are a different story.

[@Purriah]

@@KW-ps6hk I hope you’re going to wait for the other people who don’t need it to pass, otherwise enjoy passing on gut ripper for the rogue while the hunter, warlock, and druid all roll need anyway

[@Funnnyminnie]

Wild how there's literally a GREED button, meant for, ya know.. selling the item. 30 and 40 year old geeks fighting over loot in this 20 yr old game still baffles me.

[@JoeDirtyist]

@@Funnnyminnie who hurt you?

[@Purriah]

@@Funnnyminnie you’re the one who is upset lol

[@Foretelling]

Thank god Xar included that in the title, almost thought I was about to witness a murder

[@JoeDirtyist]

I'm like Papa John over here, "I've had over 40 dungeons in the last 30 days" and in 95% of them everyone rolls need on BoE. The 5% exception was for cheap items and/or a SF player needed. Nobody is passing on something worth even just 50g+, let alone 800g (the recipe in question) Some of the comments here are a reminder of why a HC player dies every 10 seconds.

[@RaimaNd]

I wonder how many people say "all need" to a boe drop. For me it is without any doubt that a person who actually needs it and starts wearing it should get it. That beeing said if someone claims to wear it but doesn't do it and just says "haha rickrolled" that should be punishable the same as griefing. If someone needs a BOE I will pass and I wish and hope that everyone would do the same for me.

[@Matt-bv3rp]

Youre in the minority. You always NEED BOE items with value.

[@Fraustyy]

they won't, they'll "need" on it and sell it for $$$$

[@tasmali5669]

@@Matt-bv3rp you´re american, EU has ethics

[@Purriah]

there would be no point in BoEs then. I'm not going to lose 10 BoE rolls then pass on the 11th for someone who can use it. People also die in HC, I need the gold more than they need an item to die using.

[@eptic-c]

Bro, the game states that if i want the loot i can have it, so if it drops and i want it, you have the same luck as me to get it, if you don't, get mad on the blizzard's roll generator not the other guy who uses the system as it was intended. This game is a GAME, it's not a society with rules you must adhere to, it's just a god damn game.

[@hsreG12]

2:22 My experience with WOW is that everyone are greedy loot goblins and probably one of the most toxic groups of people if your with randoms. The most sad part are they are mostly 30+.

[@sinki19841984]

It used to be pass if someone wants to equip it. If you needed and did not equip you'd be kicked and you could forget about doing anything serious on your realm for a really long time. You'd might even get a gkick as we'd be on the realm forums reporting the ninja behaviour. 'If you pass you're a really nice guy' No you're someone with a moral compass and 99% of your group would act the same. These days everyone is just a greedy asshole. 'You can't expect everyone to pass' Indeed you can't anymore, and that's normalised by the selfish fucks that only care about themselves.

[@Onimarr]

OG vanilla players were cool for the most part because group finder didn't exist so your characters reputation actually had impact and mattered. Once dungeon finder came out... it was GG

[@justseven3487]

Nah man that's Dota/League. I can honestly count on my fingers how many times I've seen toxic people in WOW. Albeit I don't have experience with Raids/High lvl PVP.

[@Onimarr]

@ Nah im talking about actual Vanilla WoW 20 years ago. It was as i just explained it. Ive seen PLENTY of toxic people in WoW thats too hard to count. Dungeon finder popularized ninja looting which no one can refute. Seen loads of people get salty in raids because they didnt win a piece of loot they wanted and either just straight up left the raid after crying about it or tried to wipe the raid afterwards.

[@BlastHeart96]

I love the GM coming in and killing him idea. That’s some Jagex level of petty.

[@austinpalmer898]

3 month ban seems appropriate

[@Odyssey636]

Nope perma from d4 retail classic and cod seems appropriate

[@69nites]

There should be no griefing bans at all. Anything not cheating in an MMO should entirely be socially enforced.

[@raizan1526]

​​​@@69niteshow are you going to socially enforce anything in wow lmao. You think "you're a bad person!" is going to stop people from griefing? From the delicious taste of robbing hundreds of hours from a person? Also why not? Why is banning griefing a bad thing?

[@TheUnone]

What if a wrong decision, they happen all the time. Sitting 3 whole months, coz ppl just smashed 45% HP with smaller spells and AAs 0.2s before your Bolt? ;D 95% of these players/gm won't even check jack, they'd just use your bolt visual on the vid + the note that he died from you, ;D

[@Nick_ETH]

Yep so many redditor momma boy crybabies here ​@@69nites

[@1337iBaw1z]

That kitchen setup reminds me of when I played through cata and mop in a truck bed camper with a mini fridge, mini stove, bed, and a booth table that I had my PC set up on.

[@thizlam4810]

Mage: waits until priest is 50% HP then does nova, frostbolt, fire blast, COC. Also mage: “I can’t control my spells and crits”

[@TaeSikCha]

Yeah, no shot it was an accident I don't understand how anyone sees that as a "mechanic" homie got the wombo-combo lol

[@trizzlehizzle9068]

whats the point of making a comment thats the exact word for word quote of what the commentary in the video says?

[@squishtophers]

If a BoE drops that I literally have 0 use for on the character I am currently using, I'll greed/pass it to the guy who can actually use it. I think if you don't do this you're just being kinda greedy, unless it's agreed everyone else is needing... Especially if it's hardcore WoW and you're likely to die before you even make use of the gold you may get from auctioning the item. I just thought this was normal behavior? Evidently people be greedy.

[@dirtcache6128]

It only takes a few drops where someone needs and steals it from 4 people to change this mentality. Guessing you haven’t been playing long or have not seen many BoE drops in dungeons

[@squishtophers]

@ Nope, ive played since TBC. I guess I have a very different mentality than you, because if someone does something shitty it’s not going to change how I behave in a group. But eh, you do you man.

[@salemsmith2878]

Clearly we need a GM for reviewing deaths and once in a while making players whole.

[@Gemna157]

Hardcore is hardcore

[@Abololo33]

My first run on Stitches, strat, skullflame shield dropped, my entire party passed it for me. I was so surprised as a pala tank 😢❤ Loving alliance community.

[@connman8d617]

Sorry, but no. Need before greed means that if somebody can both equip/use AND benefit from an item then they roll need and get prio and if your intention is to profit from winning an item then you roll greed. That's literally the definition of the need before greed system.

[@라마현명한]

And yet thats not how BoE drops have ever been handled. If everyone was truely honest about their intention to equip it, most people wouldn't mind having someone take it to equip, but we all know this is not the case, so all need became the meta due to the few that messed it up for everybody else.

[@aeonstar293]

Yea you literally defined it grats. It hasn't worked that way in the community in 15 years though.

[@riordanbrown9557]

thats how WoW players do it with everything besides BoEs. the reason they all roll need on BoEs is because you can sell those items on the auction house, which allows professions/consumables/buying cheaper BoE gear. need a lot of gold at max level, its as important as gear. finally, even if you disagree with the above, you're simply going to be behind because no one in the playerbase will agree with you and theyll roll need

[@TsvetanDimitrov1976]

@@riordanbrown9557 same with BoP - you can vendor it and get gold

[@stoneseeker69]

Greedy wow community disregards loot system, but if you disregard boss mechanics it’s time to turn on the tears. 😢

[@boz123lol]

after pika killed his tank and healer yesterday it's pretty rich for him to throw shade

[@myster_ink8115]

Perma ban is the appropriate punishment 100% @9:00 that idea is perfect love it XD!!!

[@Peter_Griffaaa]

hahah no it could get 5% better, have the GM's use the weak S BS excuses that pathetic loser used, on him

[@ZugzugZugzugson]

ngl, stratholme is thee scariest dungeon in the entire game on hardcore. i went there once on my enhancement shaman (thatrs right, i was playing hardcore-hardcore) and we did finish it because my group was made up of tried and tested steel will gamers. we had 2 warriors, myself (shammy), a mage and a priest healer. no drama, just laser focus. and even then, we were all very nervous because stratholme has a way of screwing up your plans even under the best of conditions. the banshee boss was our biggest concern, because if the group is not careful, they can easily kill the target who gets possessed by her. luckily this did not happen, because we planned ahead and said "chip damage only" before engaging it. i said i would even drop windfury for that fight because a single WF proc could have been enough to kill someone (when i say "drop" i mean 'not use it' btw) and put on rockbiter instead. we did come out unscathed, but everyone had a huge sigh of relief when it was over. in my honest opinion, no dungeon in the game even comes close to rivaling Strath for spookiest dungeon on hardcore. you think diremaul is bad because the ogres hit hard? try getting chain silenced for upwards of 20-30 seconds straight and then have a shade spawn in out of nowhere while a spider has you netted, while a bunch of necromancers are spamming shadowbolts at you. stratholme has a lot of "if the stars align in the wrong way, you are just dead" scenarios that WILL happen, no matter how prepared you think you are, so only the best of the best will be able to regularly do it. it takes a lot of on-the-spot adaptation and clever plays to overcome some of the sheer bs this dungeon constantly throws at you. also, make sure you got a shaman, paladin or a priest with you. never go to strath without one if you hope to see it through to the other side. ideally you got a mage or druid with you too. you NEED to cleanse the diseases and curses, or you will simply get rekt.

[@Werkzeug-100]

He should be perma from hardcore and be forced to retail

[@ankoo439]

Just perma his whole account, we dont want him on retail with this shit attitude.

[@Odyssey636]

Nope permad on bnet. So he loses all wow accounts d4 and cod

[@Einarr_Norge]

would be a win to play the better version

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

IP banned for being toxic sore loser would be appropriate.

[@alexinivai08]

​@@Einarr_Norge*casual version

[@TheRealSykx]

so many hardcore players don't know to turn and jump so you get hit in the face instead of hit in the back and dazed

[@jtzreal5944]

I used to press pass BoE’s for people that need it, while watching all the others need roll. Now I just need roll after watching the rolls. That mage should be permanent banned from any HC server. 7 days isn’t enough. He needs to be purged from existence in that game mode .

[@tek512]

Should be permanently banned from WoW in general.

[@benjaminghazi787]

I need roll and give it to the person who actually needs it. I do the same thing in retail in pug raids too. Just type /loot and look at the people who rolled and give it to the highest person who actually needed it

[@mackdaddy0629]

Terrible take. Don't run strath with sketchy people. They knew the mechanic was present. It's their own fault.

[@Name-nq7tj]

why even have the greed and need system then? They should just have one button at that point.

[@jtzreal5944]

@@Name-nq7tj just now a plate str, stam, and defense leg dropped in ZF. The tank was the only plate wearer in the group. We actually had a good group that passed on the BoE for the warrior. (Who typed “I equip”), because they knew everyone rolls need on BoEs. If I saw another need role, I would have done the same, then probably gave it to the warrior if I won, and it was an upgrade for them. Most WoW groups are not like that. They’re random people that treat other people like they are NPCs. The WoW community in general is extremely toxic, selfish, and greedy. It’s only a good game, if you play with good people. Not good players. Good people. BoEs (bind on equip) become southbound items when you equip them. They can be sold on the auction house, as opposed to bind on pick-up, or BoPs. Most people don’t “need” on BoPs unless they actually need them. There are a few that will (put those on ignore)(unless they’re brand new)

[@Sombrero_707]

20:22 that running with the mobs behind with Die by The Sword XD

[@Phatsamurai]

There's a button to use if you're gonna sell the item. It's called teh greed button.

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

True, but you can't trust ANYONE on Bliz servers anymore. I guarantee just as many greedy scammers hit need as legitimate level 300 alchemists. To keep it fair, and eliminate any chance of ninja action, everyone needs.

[@Cheesenipz97]

​@@davidjones-wr3pg​ i see alot of comments saying opposite but as a gm with over 900 players in my guild, i 100% agree with you. Unless its close friends. When its just me and my officers i leave it free roll and we just greed but in a full on raid with people we play with once a week all need lol

[@jaymzOG]

Everybody presses Need to prevent ninja looting.

[@pyrosupreme4473]

Such a bad idea to greed on BoEs, you tell everyone to need on expensive BoEs so no one gets scammed and the last guy needs when everyone else greeded

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

@@pyrosupreme4473 I play on a private server. The population has grown, but not to a point where reputation doesn't matter at all. Usually don't have any problems with this.

[@beatsbybrazy]

7 day ? How long did it take for the priest to get to 60 ? Was toon restored?

[@chc2650]

One thing I noticed is that when a server is fresh people lose their minds over BoE loot. Guys, not even Krol Blade is that big of a deal.

[@sola7112]

Man, we have jobs though. I bet it’s pretty important to people with nothing else happening in their lives 😅

[@pyrosupreme4473]

If it's not a big deal then it can be turned into gold on the AH for the ipgrade you want then right?

[@aaronschamel7200]

Legend has it he's still waiting on a warstomp.

[@dylan-z8w4t]

a lot of people saying shit like "you cant ban for a mechanic" are exposing just how little real world experience you have lmao. You've agreed to their unilateral unconditional terms on their end. they can and will do as they see fit btw if you want to see how easily it is to automate mass reporting for a ban check his shit in a day.

[@thekyleprojekt7996]

L take my man. I'll leave this L for you to hold

[@TheInfectous]

Or they just disagree with you? Having the devs stay out of player interaction creates an entirely different culture within the game. Communities form outside of just guilds, guilds as a whole develop reputations, friendslists and player interaction become very important. just speaking from my experience with other hardcore mmorpgs

[@g3n0sc1d3]

little world experience... irony.... considering this is a videogame. also if its such a deal remove mindcontrol from the game if it wasnt meant to be a mechanic. secondly yes its summy. but it is what it is. real world experiece is knowing theres summy people who will take advantage of scenarios like this.

[@IcedLance]

The first case seems straightforward, I'm more interested in what happened with Rivornith. I see a similarity here with PirateSoftware's case, except instead of not helping, a mage actively (accidentally?) sabotaged it, but there was no loud rogue to hype this one up.

[@gregsmw]

pass to who needs if you roll need to sell it your a ninja the idea of "everyone need" is exclusivly a US server thing

[@mistakai4226]

Everyone rolling need is the logical approach even if you want the item to go to the player that can use it. If a good actor wins, the deserving player can be traded the item.

[@bryanbryan6108]

If you don’t have blink yet and you are running away from mobs you can mana shield as long as the mana lost does not remove your ability to use frost nova which is highest prio escape keybind pre-blink

[@bryanbryan6108]

With this logic it is also ok to mana shield as long as it doesn’t oom you for the last blink you need to escape

[@hohojoe23]

If not perm ban then mage literally getting away with murder. IMO his character should be unalived on the backend.

[@hohojoe23]

@@sixtyninelol nicee

[@The4HorsePeaples]

@@sixtyninelol Which is why he said a punishment for the guys character? Maybe before telling people to relax you should idk learn how to read. Also let me take your project car after you finish putting a new rear end on it and crush the back end. But dont worry Ill pay for it youll just be out all the time and effort it took to find it, order it, fit it, and install it and will have to do it all over again. That priest spent real life hours leveling and gearing that character.

[@Odyssey636]

​@@sixtyninelolbro cant read😂

[@shleyLX]

​@sixtyninelol ahh the exact mentality the mage probably has. Just an internet person, they aren't real people. Bunch of less thans am I right?

[@Nick_ETH]

​@@The4HorsePeaplesno he said prevent the human from playing the game permanently as his first desire. Reading comprehension lmao

[@L2.Lagrange]

I agree with the idea that everybody generally needs epic BOE's and valuable drops about the same amount. A mage needs a krol blade just as much as a rogue or warrior. At that point, the cost of gold is more valuable to most people than the actual item itself. The only exception I could see is if the player who needs it is solo self found, or if the group has a defined loot system prior to the drop.

[@Tony-dh2bh]

Blizzard needs to have GM Law Enforcement. They respond to calls of murder and other grievances. Arresting ppl like the mage in-game and banishing them to a perma ban “prison” where the culprits can still log in but are in prison.

[@Tobeh]

I played a game that did that. If you broke the rules and a ”ranger” saw you do it or some one had hard evidence to show a ranger they could teleport you to a spell/item locked jail and every time you logged in you would appear there until your sentence had been completed. Other players could come see you in jail too. The rangers were players who applied and were picked by the devs/voted on by players. It was extremely effective.

[@nikolaikalashnikov4253]

23:20 I wish their Raid Frames were colorized because I curious what their class makeup is ?

[@lewisnorden3744]

Perma ban is the only acceptable punishment for this clear grief

[@Sasquach-h7p]

I've never experienced so many crazy people as on Doomhowl.

[@lovroxyz3119]

the mage should be banned untill the priest recovers everything he had xD

[@kevinmiller5051]

When I lived in a studio apartment in downtown Chicago this is exactly how my setup was. Down to the stove right next to me

[@Hark659]

I remember somebody got some betrayal debuff for 7 days online. that mage should get that or delete his toon.

[@kalamoudi]

For playing the game how it was intended? That's ridiculous.

[@nadger1337]

Ive never went into a dungeon without it being explicit how the loot drops work when you get to end game. This is a product of content creation.

[@lotyogipityu7992]

sell is greed

[@shleyLX]

Not a ms os raid so unless stipulated prior to run that's just wrong.

[@Purriah]

@@lotyogipityu7992 cool, enjoy rolling greed while the other 4 roll need.

[@pyrosupreme4473]

greed is no chance at the valuable item while randoms roll need and sell it on the AH, this isn't hard guys, don't expect four strangers to have your same loot code

[@andersalkjaer4745]

The MC death was so important to WoW HC since now we all know you can get away with griefing and it was either going to be that or you could perma ban all new players who accidentally kill the MC And don't even think blizzard GM's should review tickets and videos every time someone dies to this boss. They decided it was a game mechanic and the risk is you being at the mercy of your party. So group up with people you trust and leave people you don't. Your "life" is on the line

[@mattpedia1933]

that PC in the kitchen takes me back to my 20s when I had my shitty apartment with my computer set up on the kitchen table right by the fridge and stove lol

[@monsoon1234567890]

Possible unpopular take - The entire party was at fault for not protecting themselves from an unstable group member by either kicking him or leaving group. You have an obligation to protect yourself from others in HC.

[@martinpedersen2650]

that was beyond fucking stupid, he was already toxic. Just kick and find a dps. Its not hard.

[@em2johns]

If someone is a little sus, you kick them from the group or find another. Yes Xaryu... 100% agree

[@GhostNarwhal1]

Should 100% be a perma ban. It is clearly griefing. I can understand accidents but dude didn't even start casting ice bolt till priest was already half health.... No way it was "accidental" crits...

[@Travieso8]

8:29 the appropriate punishment is a ban of any length but REINSTATE the lost character, so that the offenders mission is complete.

[@ToxicNubs]

gonna have to agree to disagree. If an item is an upgrade for someone, and they can equip it immediately, it follows standard rolling. You dont just need things because you can sell it. Following this logic, you can vendor anything, so why even have a need or greed selection. This is why your krol blade example is trash. rolling need on things that are upgrades for people in group gets you insta kicked and ignored in my group of friends.

[@Purriah]

@@ToxicNubs almost every single person agrees that boe’s are something everyone rolls need on. Nothing is stopping someone from rolling need when 3 others pass/greed it for one member. It just makes no practical sense to not roll need especially since 99% of people already do and it’s established as the norm

[@ToxicNubs]

@@Purriah It was never "established as the norm" until GDKP's became the norm. Its a relatively new thing. Ive been playing since day 1 vanilla. People like this get kicked from our groups and ignored. as they do in almost every group that isnt full pug. Or at the ery least its discussed before the roll. and you can throw out all the fake statistics you want, it doesnt validate your argument, and the lack of logic since everything has value in game is glarring.

[@Purriah]

@@ToxicNubs ok this whole topic is about hc servers where it is the norm, period.

[@someguy9970]

@@Purriah This is not remotely true. I've played for over a decade and BoEs are almost always greeded on unless someone can actually use it as an upgrade. Just because you're a roach who wants gold doesn't mean the rest of us are.

[@Purriah]

@@someguy9970 hc hasn’t been out for a decade. It has nothing to do with me personally. Every boe other than dungeon set items, it’s all need and always has been, and I even make sure I never jump the gun and need first, 95% of the time someone says “all need” and I just follow suit. Idk why you’re butthurt. That’s just how it is done on hc

[@Griimory]

Seeing this was always in the back of my mind. I was tanking ST and the troll trash, in the Jammal'an and Ogom hallway, dropped edgemaster's. The mage was the first the in the group to roll need. As a warrior, I obviously rolled need as well. The rogue in the group decided to roll as well to give to me. The rogue won them but I was stressed the rogue would get MC'd and the mage would go all in.

[@hazardpay8560]

Perma Easy

[@StephanusII]

Xar, i want to give you a compliment. you are basicly the nicest a guy can be before i get sus. Hope you, the kid, the wife, the wow, the stream... and so on are doing great!

[@Lurchstavo]

If it’s an upgrade to you you’re allowed to need it. If you can’t or not using it, don’t need it.

[@dg5059]

No guarantee the person who wins the need roll will even use it. Some items are worth so much, the gold is worth more than the item. Yeah a krol blade isn't going to get used by a warlock, but if the hundreds of gold could be spent to improve multiple slots of gear or get them their mount how are you going to say they don't "need" multiple upgrades. The gold is worth more than the item. Everyone should have a shot at it and if you want to equip it then good for you, that's the same as paying for it.

[@Lurchstavo]

@ if it’s a set item that makes you a huge asshole if you intend to sell it. There’s diff ways to make gold. Dungeons are good for gear. You do dungeons for some gear Back in the day we wouldn’t do this

[@pyrosupreme4473]

A expensive BoE is an upgrade for everybody though, because they can just AH it and get an equivalent item on the AH

[@Lurchstavo]

@ yeah just need roll everything bro that’s what assholes do

[@pyrosupreme4473]

@@Lurchstavo Yet you can't explain why, seems like the greedier position that only a person who can equip it can benefit from it when it's literally an expensive BoE item, not a BoP. You can turn a BoE item into any other BoE item on the AH, you are greedy

[@jaradftwc]

Oh god I love it, this is the content I have been waiting for. Just hoping for some Baron bombs or Naxx 40 man team wipes :D

[@matzelp1821]

The priest Had IT coming

[@DeminBoy0]

L take

[@pyrosupreme4473]

Can you explain why?

[@matzelp1821]

@pyrosupreme4473 i dont know all the context but. From my understanding is that the only Person who could use it was the mage since he has alchemi. This is Like someone who isnt mage would rool need on the tbc item that allowed mages to learn the highest spell to produce Manga reg Drinks.

[@davidm5846]

“I can’t control my crits” you just had to fucking sheep him 😂

[@kalamoudi]

Mage didn't do anything wrong tbh, it was fair play. Don't bring someone you don't trust into a situation where you could die.

[@seanfeit975]

Wrong

[@gl0Ppy]

you talking as if the people in your group during a dungeon are your enemies one way of looking at life i guess

[@kalamoudi]

@@gl0Ppy Hardcore is a live or die game mode, you need to be very careful who you choose to bring with you. Now considering what happened with the loot, it was very obvious the mage was not in his right state of mind; he was upset and unpredictable. He showed many signs that it wasn't smart for the whole group to continue the dungeon with him, yet they chose to ignore it and move on. To dispute your comment, no I did not say the people in my group are my enemies, nor did I imply it. I have no idea how you came with with that conclusion. Although, there is recorded evidence that many people join groups just to grief other people, so it is wise for you to be cautious when inviting people.

[@kalamoudi]

@@seanfeit975 Boomshakalaka

[@gl0Ppy]

@@kalamoudi I completely agree with your first section. Solid take, nothing wrong with it. Your initial comment, however, was that the -mage did nothing wrong-, and thus has nothing to do with what you just wrote.

[@RainingArtillery]

Mana shield is pretty good when you're first learning how to AoE grind or going into a new AoE grinding place. You'd use it same as ice barrier, put it on before pulling. Additionally it's useful when wanting to reset a pull to avoid being dazed. That being said once you have ice barrier, you probably shouldn't touch it ever again. The rule you mentioned now that I think about it makes a lot of sense as a general rule of thumb. It's just very rare for mages to have a lot more mana than health ever.

[@LunaticThinker]

Alternatively, as a disenchanter, should I need on everything for exp?

[@JoeDirtyist]

If you have to ask that I'm sorry to say that you're probably gonna have a tough life. It's not rocket science, my dude. Find Jesus.

[@LunaticThinker]

@@JoeDirtyist If you can need on something you don't need because you just want to sell then I'll disenchant your BIS lol. If you have no argument against it then I'm doing it.

[@JoeDirtyist]

@@LunaticThinker name checks out

[@LunaticThinker]

@@JoeDirtyist Thank you for contributing to the discourse

[@pyrosupreme4473]

If it's an expensive BoE absolutely roll need and disenchant it if that's what you wanna do with it, obviously better to sell it on the AH and get whatever you want, but you do you

[@GengarWoW]

Got my 2024 recap, @Xaryu, you were my top creator and @pikabooirl was my number 4. Thank you for your videos, and your dedication! Hope you have a great 2025 year!

[@808Toxic]

The game has become a serious issue for that mage obviously. Ban for at least 90 days, for mental concerns.

[@fuzzwobble]

You should always roll need, but agree beforehand that if you win you'll give it to X aloud, because it prevents griefing and you put your ticket in the pot for the person who needs the item. It also doesn't force people to pass who don't want to, but gives them a little nudge.

[@TouchthisiProduction]

there are 2 ways to deal with respawns. you go back to the boss and hearth or you push forward, by walking into 1 of the places where spawns are and fight only there. make sure to stun/slow when they are low. Never run, cause Lib is Filled with mobs in the last tunnel.

[@Theak47forall]

Thanks for the videos Xhar, on a long business tripa and my time is more fun with the content. Keep it up my man, much love to you and your family.

[@knurttt8377]

17:31 all the f's in chat and that one dude "ding lol" 😂

[@clee3352]

Is that Pinkward at the end?

[@jacobgreen9212]

The ban time should be how many days the priest put into there character and double it.

[@marusero25]

2:22 > I dont get whats so complicated? Is it an upgrade? Need. Ill take it if no one needs it for gold? Greed. Like, if a mage needs on a 2H purple Axe, that mage is an S tier asshole, I dont care if you have alts. I also have alts, but if you want that 2H axe on an alt, log in on your alt and run the dungeon with it. Because when that purple robe/wand drops, you wont like it if people roll need on it as well. Just be respectful of everyone else and dont do to others what you wouldnt like them do to you. Alts are not in the dungeon, so alts did nothing to deserve that drop.

[@DarkenedAuras]

I think that whole 1st part with the recipe could've been completely deviated if Blizzard only allowed you to NEED if you could use it (Like if there mage was an alchemist and no one else was then they could need on it, if 3 of the 5 were alchemists then 3 could need) Could've still worked the same if priest would've been an alchemist too but I think what really pissed the mage off was the fact they *REALLY* needed it (and not just to sell~) On the other hand I don't think it was right to kill the priest at the next opportunity...it still doesn't give you the recipe and now it's as if the whole thing dropping was 100% pointless~

[@apoorhorseabusedbycenk]

Blizzard rule of not res ing players is dumb. The priest should be brought back. I'm thinking of just playing badly and causing whole groups to wipe just to prove a point. It's not hard to do at all and near impossible to detect. Of course I'll play a rogue to escape majority of the time.

[@DeLong1]

dope videos brotha! hope you have a great week!

[@imacarrot6570]

He wont be able to control his breathing either once the connection to his brain shuts off.

[@phillipjackson1517]

Priest: "You can't control crits" Everyone Else "Duh, but you can control whether or not to attack your teammate" 🤣

[@Tristanator0503]

The mage was streaming in strath too. You can find their pov online. cold blooded murder

[@darrellrandall638]

If you going to punish someone with a ban, i dont think they should then kill your character after you do the time on the ban. If they planned on making you restart they should state that in the original ban email.

[@allentheaverageoldjoe]

That guy took the 1hr ban and said...worth it lol. 😂🤣😂🤣 I love Xar trying to come up with more severe punishments lol. In the end we are bleeding subs both from Hardcore and Retail I don't think they are shoving anyone out the door.🤷‍♂️

[@stephanlunden4318]

At 14:34 is a bar with scrolling cd's. is this a WA?

[@snerkules-um1dz]

i wanna know too

[@cloudycod4352]

I cried when Xar said "this is peak gaming"

[@fatalheart7382]

"For in the same way you judge, you will be judged and the measure you use will be measured unto you."

[@sebastianlhado7528]

There should be a greif debuff, like the mak-gora. but instead of 3 day game time its infinite on the character with 50% reduced stats etc

[@LJ-to8in]

Imagine how stupid I looked when I forced my group to all roll greed except for the guy who needed, then on the last roll, the hunter needed and left. Statistically if we had all needed there would have been a chance for it to go to a good actor who could trade it after. Always roll need on BOEs. This is what smart good people do, don't just blindly folow a principle that is easily abused by bad actors.

[@RicehXc]

I love Xar, "alright, let's play the game. let's play the game" lol

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

8:55 blizzard please listen and do this Lol

[@Xuxuabba]

Getting level 60 isn’t even mechanically hard. If you just play safe, don’t fight mobs higher level. You can hit 60 easy. It’s just a test of patience and discipline

[@OfficialFo]

that BWL wipe is insane, thats like YEARS of playtime just gone in an instant

[@Beholdstyle]

The system is literally labeled Need, Greed, and Pass. Any reasonable person understands that it implies a current need for a profession or class or specialization. Greed is implied for monetary or other reasons. And considering need will always beat a greed roll that suggests a priority that is stating needers have first rights. And since they probably didn't agree to some crazy loot arrangement before a random dungeon, in my estimation, they agreed to the standard loot rules. Which, in this case favor the Mage. Just because everyone else does it doesn't mean you can lower yourselves down to the level of trashbags who ninja valuable loot and free yourself from shame. As the commenter suggested. Youre not a nice guy to pass, your a scum bag when you dont. I rule in favor of the Mage and the justice served to the dirty scum priest thief was well served. Too bad our innocent mage got the shaft in the end.

[@hitokiriibattousaii]

the gnome cosplayer's death had me crying laughing at 3 am