Toxic Mage KILLS Healer Over Loot Drama (in Hardcore WoW)

[@Blacklabel]

The fact he was charging for int buffs... and they let him stay in the group is a big red flag.

[@gl0Ppy]

to be fair, the man should be permabanned, but anyone staying in that group is insane lol

[@froggin-zp4nr]

Imagine how much he charged for the water. Mage is unhinged I'm surprised he isn't aoe farming

[@tc7584]

I really don't see how blizz could ban him though. I mean it's their mechanics. It's f'd up but that's what hardcore is a crazy world.

[@vibesmagma8451]

@@tc7584 because you signed the tos

[@peterbach1126]

@@tc7584 lmao how stupid can u be?

[@lol0999]

That's not a grief, that's a bloody assassination.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

Wasn't this exact comment on guzus vid of this? Lol

[@jacobanderson2285]

can you explain it too me ? I don't understand how a guy in the group killed another guy in his own group I guess im just a noob.

[@lol0999]

@@jacobanderson2285 The boss will mind control someone, when mind controlled they attack other party members and can be attacked. What you need to do is damage the party member to low-medium health and wait a few seconds. They did this but the mage went all in and finished them before the mind control expired.

[@Kanoog]

It's a grief.

[@colaphoenix6849]

@@jacobanderson2285 ye thet boss is a wraith like in warcraft 3 and posses one of the party members if that helps. i just got possesed today on a normal server and almos tkilled our hunter while i was possesed

[@Trees36547]

This should be a perma ban from the hardcore realm

[@Odyssey636]

Nope bnet

[@olddutchy4889]

100%

[@KohtehYT]

for the healer 100% greedy sob stealing someone elses drop

[@Zaiqahal]

Eh, that seems a bit ridiculous. Just be glad he was banned at all.

[@kaicrodrigues2578]

@@KohtehYT we found the mage's YT acc 🤣

[@KW-ps6hk]

"You can't ban someone for a mechanic". No offense to whomever said that, but man thats not a smart take. EVERYTHING in the game is a "mechanic". The literal definition of the word griefing is to abuse in-game mechanics to get a negative emotional reaction from someone... in-game.

[@SlayNorway]

getting banned for something that is intended in a game is ridiclous. doesnt matter if its intentional or not. if its so bad maybe change the mechanic?

[@apierson244]

Cringe take, L ​@@SlayNorway

[@deezus24]

Well you can't prove intent. It's literally impossible. Unless the person outright says why they did it in which this case he did. Dude could be giga stoned and saw a red enemy and attacked. In what world can you prove it's a grief? If he didn't outright say that's for rolling on the flask then you couldn't prove greifing.

[@mokymode1206]

it is indeed a dumb take, although for this specific case i think it's blizzards fault, this shouldn't even be possible in HC although im sure people would cry if even the slightest change was made to the game, so maybe there's no winning for blizz

[@raizan1526]

​@SlayNorway brother, the idea of punishment is to discourage certain behaviour. This behaviour is toxic and ruins the game's environment. By that logic, killing someone with a knife shouldnt be punishable, because knives are meant to cut through things, its literally a mechanic of the universe breh. punishment isnt over what a mechanic is supposed to allow for, but over the intention and the harm caused for another player, in a non consensual context (that is, not makgora, or pvp). Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's ok to do it.

[@JAY-lz6os]

Also people saying 7 day ban, his stream showed he got a 28 day ban...

[@energyoneeighty2887]

but he was back on a couple days later from what I heard.

[@Odyssey636]

He deserved perma from battlenet so he loses d4 cod and retail too

[@STNJ_YT]

​@@energyoneeighty2887this happened less than 48 hours ago. There hasn't even been a couple days ago

[@JAY-lz6os]

@@energyoneeighty2887 He made a new account with a new character

[@Ashley-wi4ng]

Good, play loser games win loser prizes.

[@ankoo439]

The dude should be banned one full day for every hour on the character he killed. 200 hours in? 200 days ban. Or just perma him. Seriously this kinda childish toxic behaviour will not benefit anyone. Just get rid of him.

[@Odyssey636]

Perma from bnet id what he deserved. That way he loses retail accounts, d4, and cod

[@kel1770]

U guys are american for sure. Someone does something u dont like and u go nuclear on punishment. Ban seems about right, but u guys seem to have some weird retribution fetish.

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

​@@Odyssey636glad everyone seems to be in agreement.

[@dangerousfelon]

Bans are permanent. Suspensions aren't. Get a clue

[@e.p.s.9037]

​@@dangerousfelonLet me guess, you're on the griefer's side but you can only split hairs

[@0ffd]

That kitchen pc setup is high level IQ status lmao

[@michaelscharf_official]

just changed mine a few weeks ago, never want to have it in any other ways tbh.. no forgotten pizzas, coffee and fridge not to far :D its insanely good!

[@paro2210]

My apartment is small enough that I cant have it any other way. Its great!

[@TheUnone]

my aunts' home is like this, her IQ is rly low tho. This is how it looks like. in her apartment. (Bruh, it looks like a gun) Wtf, it took 11min ;D But, satisfying. ____________________⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀______________________________________________ |⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀|________________________| Toilet⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀|Bathroom⠀⠀⠀ | Bedroom⠀⠀ ⠀⠀| |PC/TV room⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀||||||||||||||||||Kitchen|||||||||||||________===_|___===________|______________ ⠀ |⠀⠀⠀ |_______===___________⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀_________________________________________________________| |⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀ ⠀⠀|⠀| entrance| |⠀⠀⠀kids room⠀⠀⠀|⠀|⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀| |___________________|⠀|__===____|

[@TheUnone]

It could be rng, that's what I mean. Just the way apartment is built, he could've gotten it coz the cost etc. Honestly, to me, a hot ass kitchen air/flying oil/etc food stuff is making it more of a bad thing, idm dashing to kitchen 7sec or walking from it balancing a soup on the edge ofca bowl like Jackie Chan in Drunken Master, all the way, rly glad it's distanced.

[@Kanoog]

My new apartment, I set up my computer in the living room that is right next to the kitchen. I could literally roll to get food or a drink if I wanted.

[@AliziaKaline]

From someone playing since Vanilla, it's shocking to see so much people in chat saying it's normal to all need on BOE... This was rare and very frowned upon at the time. WoW changed so much, and not for good...

[@gerardodiaz6260]

the generation of kids playing our game today are mostly trash human beings and you can clearly see it

[@nickandreyev766]

Idk, people have been needing boes for ages now. If you have not agreed upon boe rules at the start of the run, everyone can roll need, because they actually need the gold, since its value is really high at this point.

[@Peter_Griffaaa]

it makes sense tho, you can claim you need it it for a your prot spec as a fury warrior, you'd just have to trust someone to not sell it on AH, which sucks ... it probably only happens with epic boe's, and when it happened in classic 2019 I always talked about it with group before rolling

[@adjustingmythreshold233]

I always discuss with the group before dungs that we need on boes UNLESS someone is there specifically for that boe. I always tank so it’s not hard for me to convince people that’s what we’re doing.

[@silvioantonio6952]

i can see what you are talking about, but this is not the point, the mage 100% griefed the priest, and there is no excuse for what he did.

[@redolinu7497]

9 minutes in the video and I am surprised they don't counter argue his "You can't control crits" with "You see that the Priest is at 53% hp and it needs to be below 50%. How on earth can you ever justify Frostbolt -> Fireblast -> Cone of Cold to deal 4% damage???" But yeah regardless it was already 100% clear it's a grief

[@andreihlen7597]

Why keep yapping when everyone knows it anyways

[@divictus4835]

@@andreihlen7597 Yup, better to report the trash and move on

[@benjaminhartman4488]

Honestly when dealing with general pop everyone should need, but if this is a guild run you better expect homies to pass on that if your class needs it.

[@Purriah]

@@benjaminhartman4488 no, f that too.

[@KW-ps6hk]

I will almost always pass on a BOE if I know there's someone that can use it especially the Tank or the Healer, but as you say, I have no expectation that anyone else will do so and I don't believe there any unwritten rule or bro-code that demands BOE items go to the person that can use them.

[@JoeDirtyist]

Yeah, well, when an item is worth 1000g on the AH I think it's safe to say we all need that. Obviously, bind-on-pickup items are a different story.

[@Purriah]

@@KW-ps6hk I hope you’re going to wait for the other people who don’t need it to pass, otherwise enjoy passing on gut ripper for the rogue while the hunter, warlock, and druid all roll need anyway

[@Funnnyminnie]

Wild how there's literally a GREED button, meant for, ya know.. selling the item. 30 and 40 year old geeks fighting over loot in this 20 yr old game still baffles me.

[@JoeDirtyist]

@@Funnnyminnie who hurt you?

[@Purriah]

@@Funnnyminnie you’re the one who is upset lol

[@Werkzeug-100]

He should be perma from hardcore and be forced to retail

[@ankoo439]

Just perma his whole account, we dont want him on retail with this shit attitude.

[@Odyssey636]

Nope permad on bnet. So he loses all wow accounts d4 and cod

[@Einarr_Norge]

would be a win to play the better version

[@CatTroll21]

Or just stop acting like degenerated community and don't need on items you will place on AH. Stuff like this happens way less on p. servers. It is always the sweats on official. The mage did a good thing

[@user-fg3fv9hl3b]

IP banned for being toxic sore loser would be appropriate.

[@austinpalmer898]

3 month ban seems appropriate

[@Odyssey636]

Nope perma from d4 retail classic and cod seems appropriate

[@69nites]

There should be no griefing bans at all. Anything not cheating in an MMO should entirely be socially enforced.

[@raizan1526]

​​​@@69niteshow are you going to socially enforce anything in wow lmao. You think "you're a bad person!" is going to stop people from griefing? From the delicious taste of robbing hundreds of hours from a person? Also why not? Why is banning griefing a bad thing?

[@TheUnone]

What if a wrong decision, they happen all the time. Sitting 3 whole months, coz ppl just smashed 45% HP with smaller spells and AAs 0.2s before your Bolt? ;D 95% of these players/gm won't even check jack, they'd just use your bolt visual on the vid + the note that he died from you, ;D

[@Nick_ETH]

Yep so many redditor momma boy crybabies here ​@@69nites

[@myster_ink8115]

Perma ban is the appropriate punishment 100% @9:00 that idea is perfect love it XD!!!

[@Peter_Griffaaa]

hahah no it could get 5% better, have the GM's use the weak S BS excuses that pathetic loser used, on him

[@der_husdo4610]

He’s a Gigachad if his toilet is also in his kitchen

[@zottirgen]

I bet he figured out some sort of a diaper rotation system

[@Jagar_Tharn]

He is sitting on it, and the shelf is where the keyboard rests.

[@slamminsammy941]

The gigachad is the priest not the warrior ur talking about . Completely wrong person but continue your convo about the warrior in the kitchen .

[@TimJBucci]

A bucket-seat is 10 days deep.

[@rrreadynowww]

Cook rp

[@RaimaNd]

I wonder how many people say "all need" to a boe drop. For me it is without any doubt that a person who actually needs it and starts wearing it should get it. That beeing said if someone claims to wear it but doesn't do it and just says "haha rickrolled" that should be punishable the same as griefing. If someone needs a BOE I will pass and I wish and hope that everyone would do the same for me.

[@Matt-bv3rp]

Youre in the minority. You always NEED BOE items with value.

[@ascend111]

Human nature does not allow that

[@sixtyninelol]

Boomer logic

[@Fraustyy]

they won't, they'll "need" on it and sell it for $$$$

[@tasmali5669]

@@Matt-bv3rp you´re american, EU has ethics

[@hsreG12]

2:22 My experience with WOW is that everyone are greedy loot goblins and probably one of the most toxic groups of people if your with randoms. The most sad part are they are mostly 30+.

[@okamiseven]

we need 60 priests so bad, he didnt just screw over the individual priest, he screwed over the whole 60 scene

[@jtzreal5944]

I used to press pass BoE’s for people that need it, while watching all the others need roll. Now I just need roll after watching the rolls. That mage should be permanent banned from any HC server. 7 days isn’t enough. He needs to be purged from existence in that game mode .

[@tek512]

Should be permanently banned from WoW in general.

[@benjaminghazi787]

I need roll and give it to the person who actually needs it. I do the same thing in retail in pug raids too. Just type /loot and look at the people who rolled and give it to the highest person who actually needed it

[@connman8d617]

Sorry, but no. Need before greed means that if somebody can both equip/use AND benefit from an item then they roll need and get prio and if your intention is to profit from winning an item then you roll greed. That's literally the definition of the need before greed system.

[@라마현명한]

And yet thats not how BoE drops have ever been handled. If everyone was truely honest about their intention to equip it, most people wouldn't mind having someone take it to equip, but we all know this is not the case, so all need became the meta due to the few that messed it up for everybody else.

[@aeonstar293]

Yea you literally defined it grats. It hasn't worked that way in the community in 15 years though.

[@riordanbrown9557]

thats how WoW players do it with everything besides BoEs. the reason they all roll need on BoEs is because you can sell those items on the auction house, which allows professions/consumables/buying cheaper BoE gear. need a lot of gold at max level, its as important as gear. finally, even if you disagree with the above, you're simply going to be behind because no one in the playerbase will agree with you and theyll roll need

[@TsvetanDimitrov1976]

@@riordanbrown9557 same with BoP - you can vendor it and get gold

[@stoneseeker69]

Greedy wow community disregards loot system, but if you disregard boss mechanics it’s time to turn on the tears. 😢

[@em2johns]

If someone is a little sus, you kick them from the group or find another. Yes Xaryu... 100% agree

[@dylan-z8w4t]

a lot of people saying shit like "you cant ban for a mechanic" are exposing just how little real world experience you have lmao. You've agreed to their unilateral unconditional terms on their end. they can and will do as they see fit btw if you want to see how easily it is to automate mass reporting for a ban check his shit in a day.

[@thekyleprojekt7996]

L take my man. I'll leave this L for you to hold

[@JoeDirtyist]

I'm like Papa John over here, "I've had over 40 dungeons in the last 30 days" and in 95% of them everyone rolls need on BoE. The 5% exception was for cheap items and/or a SF player needed. Nobody is passing on something worth even just 50g+, let alone 800g (the recipe in question) Some of the comments here are a reminder of why a HC player dies every 10 seconds.

[@thizlam4810]

Mage: waits until priest is 50% HP then does nova, frostbolt, fire blast, COC. Also mage: “I can’t control my spells and crits”

[@TaeSikCha]

Yeah, no shot it was an accident I don't understand how anyone sees that as a "mechanic" homie got the wombo-combo lol

[@trizzlehizzle9068]

whats the point of making a comment thats the exact word for word quote of what the commentary in the video says?

[@Phatsamurai]

There's a button to use if you're gonna sell the item. It's called teh greed button.

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

True, but you can't trust ANYONE on Bliz servers anymore. I guarantee just as many greedy scammers hit need as legitimate level 300 alchemists. To keep it fair, and eliminate any chance of ninja action, everyone needs.

[@Cheesenipz97]

​@@davidjones-wr3pg​ i see alot of comments saying opposite but as a gm with over 900 players in my guild, i 100% agree with you. Unless its close friends. When its just me and my officers i leave it free roll and we just greed but in a full on raid with people we play with once a week all need lol

[@jaymzOG]

Everybody presses Need to prevent ninja looting.

[@pyrosupreme4473]

Such a bad idea to greed on BoEs, you tell everyone to need on expensive BoEs so no one gets scammed and the last guy needs when everyone else greeded

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

@@pyrosupreme4473 I play on a private server. The population has grown, but not to a point where reputation doesn't matter at all. Usually don't have any problems with this.

[@aevic373]

It does not matter at all of you ban him or not.. High level Players know about all the griefers and they will never get in a dungeon after he did that. Never get invited to a guild after things like that...

[@chc2650]

One thing I noticed is that when a server is fresh people lose their minds over BoE loot. Guys, not even Krol Blade is that big of a deal.

[@sola7112]

Man, we have jobs though. I bet it’s pretty important to people with nothing else happening in their lives 😅

[@pyrosupreme4473]

If it's not a big deal then it can be turned into gold on the AH for the ipgrade you want then right?

[@monsoon1234567890]

Possible unpopular take - The entire party was at fault for not protecting themselves from an unstable group member by either kicking him or leaving group. You have an obligation to protect yourself from others in HC.

[@martinpedersen2650]

that was beyond fucking stupid, he was already toxic. Just kick and find a dps. Its not hard.

[@bryanbryan6108]

If you don’t have blink yet and you are running away from mobs you can mana shield as long as the mana lost does not remove your ability to use frost nova which is highest prio escape keybind pre-blink

[@bryanbryan6108]

With this logic it is also ok to mana shield as long as it doesn’t oom you for the last blink you need to escape

[@GhostNarwhal1]

Should 100% be a perma ban. It is clearly griefing. I can understand accidents but dude didn't even start casting ice bolt till priest was already half health.... No way it was "accidental" crits...

[@LunaticThinker]

Alternatively, as a disenchanter, should I need on everything for exp?

[@JoeDirtyist]

If you have to ask that I'm sorry to say that you're probably gonna have a tough life. It's not rocket science, my dude. Find Jesus.

[@LunaticThinker]

@@JoeDirtyist If you can need on something you don't need because you just want to sell then I'll disenchant your BIS lol. If you have no argument against it then I'm doing it.

[@JoeDirtyist]

@@LunaticThinker name checks out

[@LunaticThinker]

@@JoeDirtyist Thank you for contributing to the discourse

[@pyrosupreme4473]

If it's an expensive BoE absolutely roll need and disenchant it if that's what you wanna do with it, obviously better to sell it on the AH and get whatever you want, but you do you

[@lovroxyz3119]

the mage should be banned untill the priest recovers everything he had xD

[@lewisnorden3744]

Perma ban is the only acceptable punishment for this clear grief

[@audioostrich]

Perma well deserved - remove them from every type of wow. They just robbed days from another human

[@arthurgrey8967]

Agree but its a tougher call for a game employee. If the guys defense is just that hes stupid and sucks at the game, tough to prove otherwise. Especially in the short amount of time they have allotted to judge.

[@DechCJC]

Nah just ban from hc, I think banning them from all versions is too far. Maybe Classic as a whole.

[@Odyssey636]

​@DechCJC not enough he needs banned from bnet all together. All versions of wow. D4 and cod.

[@hohojoe23]

If not perm ban then mage literally getting away with murder. IMO his character should be unalived on the backend.

[@sixtyninelol]

Its a video game bruh not real life relax

[@hohojoe23]

@@sixtyninelol nicee

[@The4HorsePeaples]

@@sixtyninelol Which is why he said a punishment for the guys character? Maybe before telling people to relax you should idk learn how to read. Also let me take your project car after you finish putting a new rear end on it and crush the back end. But dont worry Ill pay for it youll just be out all the time and effort it took to find it, order it, fit it, and install it and will have to do it all over again. That priest spent real life hours leveling and gearing that character.

[@Odyssey636]

​@@sixtyninelolbro cant read😂

[@sixtyninelol]

@@The4HorsePeaples lmao RELAX my boy

[@verihimthered2418]

20 years ago we would pass(greed) on boe but force the player to equip it.

[@verihimthered2418]

Grief in 2006=boe need roll to sell. Things have changed

[@JoeDirtyist]

@@verihimthered2418 Yeah, people used to really suck at the game. Many still do it seems.

[@Tony-dh2bh]

Blizzard needs to have GM Law Enforcement. They respond to calls of murder and other grievances. Arresting ppl like the mage in-game and banishing them to a perma ban “prison” where the culprits can still log in but are in prison.

[@dangerousfelon]

That mage is absolute scum BUT this is also why you shouldn't even be running dungeons with mechanics like this on hardcore.. especially not when you aren't close friends with everyone in the group. There's way too much griefing potential. Play safe.

[@JoeDirtyist]

100s of other groups run with no issue. 1 pos gets on youtube. "Nobody should even be in this dungeon"

[@davidrockefeller2007]

I’m a warrior and no way I’m tanking unless I know the healer is good and at 60 I probably won’t dungeon unless I’m sure the group is 100%

[@L2.Lagrange]

I agree with the idea that everybody generally needs epic BOE's and valuable drops about the same amount. A mage needs a krol blade just as much as a rogue or warrior. At that point, the cost of gold is more valuable to most people than the actual item itself. The only exception I could see is if the player who needs it is solo self found, or if the group has a defined loot system prior to the drop.

[@kalamoudi]

Mage didn't do anything wrong tbh, it was fair play. Don't bring someone you don't trust into a situation where you could die.

[@seanfeit975]

Wrong

[@gl0Ppy]

you talking as if the people in your group during a dungeon are your enemies one way of looking at life i guess

[@808Toxic]

The game has become a serious issue for that mage obviously. Ban for at least 90 days, for mental concerns.

[@lotyogipityu7992]

sell is greed

[@Ashley-wi4ng]

Not a ms os raid so unless stipulated prior to run that's just wrong.

[@Purriah]

@@lotyogipityu7992 cool, enjoy rolling greed while the other 4 roll need.

[@pyrosupreme4473]

greed is no chance at the valuable item while randoms roll need and sell it on the AH, this isn't hard guys, don't expect four strangers to have your same loot code

[@SincereDoper]

The problem here is that he never admitted he was trying to kill him. So of course we all know he meant to do it, but if he never admitted it and he tells blizzard "it was an accident, I was trying to break the mc and crit him" then he will probably get unbanned quickly, which as much as it pains me to say is the right call. Don't play hardcore with people you don't trust.

[@hazardpay8560]

Perma Easy

[@DarkenedAuras]

I think that whole 1st part with the recipe could've been completely deviated if Blizzard only allowed you to NEED if you could use it (Like if there mage was an alchemist and no one else was then they could need on it, if 3 of the 5 were alchemists then 3 could need) Could've still worked the same if priest would've been an alchemist too but I think what really pissed the mage off was the fact they *REALLY* needed it (and not just to sell~) On the other hand I don't think it was right to kill the priest at the next opportunity...it still doesn't give you the recipe and now it's as if the whole thing dropping was 100% pointless~

[@andersalkjaer4745]

The MC death was so important to WoW HC since now we all know you can get away with griefing and it was either going to be that or you could perma ban all new players who accidentally kill the MC And don't even think blizzard GM's should review tickets and videos every time someone dies to this boss. They decided it was a game mechanic and the risk is you being at the mercy of your party. So group up with people you trust and leave people you don't. Your "life" is on the line

[@stephanlunden4318]

At 14:34 is a bar with scrolling cd's. is this a WA?

[@gregsmw]

pass to who needs if you roll need to sell it your a ninja the idea of "everyone need" is exclusivly a US server thing

[@mistakai4226]

Everyone rolling need is the logical approach even if you want the item to go to the player that can use it. If a good actor wins, the deserving player can be traded the item.

[@azaldie]

Bro, that "Mage logs back in, GM mind control and another GM does to him exactly what he did to the priest" would be the most savage and appropriate retribution imaginable. People who intentionally kill others in HC like this is the shit-stain underneath the people at the bottom of the barrel of Multiplayer gamers.

[@Hark659]

I remember somebody got some betrayal debuff for 7 days online. that mage should get that or delete his toon.

[@kalamoudi]

For playing the game how it was intended? That's ridiculous.

[@Foretelling]

Thank god Xar included that in the title, almost thought I was about to witness a murder

[@ToxicNubs]

gonna have to agree to disagree. If an item is an upgrade for someone, and they can equip it immediately, it follows standard rolling. You dont just need things because you can sell it. Following this logic, you can vendor anything, so why even have a need or greed selection. This is why your krol blade example is trash. rolling need on things that are upgrades for people in group gets you insta kicked and ignored in my group of friends.

[@Purriah]

@@ToxicNubs almost every single person agrees that boe’s are something everyone rolls need on. Nothing is stopping someone from rolling need when 3 others pass/greed it for one member. It just makes no practical sense to not roll need especially since 99% of people already do and it’s established as the norm

[@ToxicNubs]

@@Purriah It was never "established as the norm" until GDKP's became the norm. Its a relatively new thing. Ive been playing since day 1 vanilla. People like this get kicked from our groups and ignored. as they do in almost every group that isnt full pug. Or at the ery least its discussed before the roll. and you can throw out all the fake statistics you want, it doesnt validate your argument, and the lack of logic since everything has value in game is glarring.

[@Purriah]

@@ToxicNubs ok this whole topic is about hc servers where it is the norm, period.

[@someguy9970]

@@Purriah This is not remotely true. I've played for over a decade and BoEs are almost always greeded on unless someone can actually use it as an upgrade. Just because you're a roach who wants gold doesn't mean the rest of us are.

[@Purriah]

@@someguy9970 hc hasn’t been out for a decade. It has nothing to do with me personally. Every boe other than dungeon set items, it’s all need and always has been, and I even make sure I never jump the gun and need first, 95% of the time someone says “all need” and I just follow suit. Idk why you’re butthurt. That’s just how it is done on hc

[@unholynimble5723]

That mage is somebody that was never told "no" as a child and now thinks the world revolves around them.

[@DaveDavis-f9w]

When one of Xaryu's streamer buddies does it: "based" When a non-streamer does it: "the ban is completely justified."

[@Lurchstavo]

If it’s an upgrade to you you’re allowed to need it. If you can’t or not using it, don’t need it.

[@dg5059]

No guarantee the person who wins the need roll will even use it. Some items are worth so much, the gold is worth more than the item. Yeah a krol blade isn't going to get used by a warlock, but if the hundreds of gold could be spent to improve multiple slots of gear or get them their mount how are you going to say they don't "need" multiple upgrades. The gold is worth more than the item. Everyone should have a shot at it and if you want to equip it then good for you, that's the same as paying for it.

[@Lurchstavo]

@ if it’s a set item that makes you a huge asshole if you intend to sell it. There’s diff ways to make gold. Dungeons are good for gear. You do dungeons for some gear Back in the day we wouldn’t do this

[@pyrosupreme4473]

A expensive BoE is an upgrade for everybody though, because they can just AH it and get an equivalent item on the AH

[@Lurchstavo]

@ yeah just need roll everything bro that’s what assholes do

[@pyrosupreme4473]

@@Lurchstavo Yet you can't explain why, seems like the greedier position that only a person who can equip it can benefit from it when it's literally an expensive BoE item, not a BoP. You can turn a BoE item into any other BoE item on the AH, you are greedy

[@therealmvp1639]

That was based, mage shouldn't be banned. Any chance to shatter someone is a win

[@matzelp1821]

The priest Had IT coming

[@DeminBoy0]

L take

[@pyrosupreme4473]

Can you explain why?

[@matzelp1821]

@pyrosupreme4473 i dont know all the context but. From my understanding is that the only Person who could use it was the mage since he has alchemi. This is Like someone who isnt mage would rool need on the tbc item that allowed mages to learn the highest spell to produce Manga reg Drinks.

[@GruppeSechs]

The fact they were actively arguing with him right before a boss with mind control is pretty insane tbh

[@TouchthisiProduction]

there are 2 ways to deal with respawns. you go back to the boss and hearth or you push forward, by walking into 1 of the places where spawns are and fight only there. make sure to stun/slow when they are low. Never run, cause Lib is Filled with mobs in the last tunnel.

[@Wolfy11188]

As someone who has no clue about the mechanics of this fight, did you say that there is a mind control mechanic at play here? Is PvP turned on for hardcore servers? How is the mage able to attack the priest and deal damage to him? It doesn't make sense to me that blizzard have this mechanic in their game, they've clearly known about it for a long time and yet they punish someone for doing something that is in their game? I'm confused. If it's a bug then fix it surely?

[@Spacemonkeymojo]

Pretty sure that if the Priest was mind controlled it means people in the party can attack him. It's not a bug. Team mates just need to crowd control the MC'd player or something and not kill them (and that goes for non-HC too).

[@KontrolStyle]

as an ally main, dying in stonetalon helped me so much. I won't be dying again (probably) 13:38 it's hardcore wow, no! you shouldn't be eating / video editing, whatever else you do on different monitors pay attention so you don't have to GO AGAIN!!!

[@michaelac7320]

If someone is going to use the recipe, they can prio. If someone is going to equip, they can prio. If it’s like edgemasters or something that level, everyone need.

[@dubeusgames]

I'm a fan of hardcore modes for some games I enjoy, but WoW is definitely not one of them. MMO Player Mentality tends to be below the threshold for "common sense" and "morality." If the game had actual concepts of "skill" in a dungeon, and not having to rely one hundred percent on your teammates, then I'd be a bit more comfortable with it. That Mage knew what he was doing. He got upset over losing a rolled item, and decided to punish another player by erasing all their time and effort into that character. A one-month ban...maybe feels right. Or perhaps a two/three month ban. A second offense would just be "deleting your account, you will never play this game again." The smartest thing that Mage could've done was just befriend the Priest and help him to craft those potions. No sweat.

[@HDDDesigner]

30 days to permanent ban 😂 those are two complete different ends of the spectrum, you cannot ban a player permanently for an in game mechanic like that, you could argue on hardcore selecting who you do dungeons and raids with IS a mechanic.

[@AwesomeshadowSP]

Please stop with that "ingame mechanic" you're embarassing yourself

[@QQWoLPHie]

I think the appropriate ban should be is if a player Griefs another player and kills a player, The griefer stays banned until the player he killed reaches 60.

[@CarrotCannon]

11:10 putting it on blizz because what was he supposed to do, hit a quick /reload? The disable addon error is so annoying and plagues retail too, cant believe that shit happens in HC man

[@davidjones-wr3pg]

I play on Turtle WoW. The standard in PUG 5 mans is this - greens items, greed. Blue or better BOEs, all need. Something like a flask recipe is usually hard reserved by whoever put together the group, but if it's not, again, all need. We've just gotten to the point where we trust no one. At least if everyone hits need, no one can claim someone ninja'd. Actually, that's not true. Think DMN. The tribute chest gets ninja'd at least once a week (usually for the agility + hit ring). I'll see someone in World Chat blasting a character's name, telling everyone to blacklist that person, and it works. The only people who don't blacklist him are other ninjas. That's why I say I see this like once a week, and not multiple times per day.

[@darrellrandall638]

If you going to punish someone with a ban, i dont think they should then kill your character after you do the time on the ban. If they planned on making you restart they should state that in the original ban email.

[@michaelbenham3603]

needing items so you can sell them is SO LAME if someone in the group legitimately needs the item they should roll need on it

[@dirtyd1373]

"No its a perma they made it very clear its perma. o, it's only 7 days? idk"😂😂😂

[@olddutchy4889]

Yeah.. nobody should have 7 or 1 day or 30 day ban. Anything thats proven griefing should always be a Perm no debate.

[@dontlistentoanythingisay]

If the BOE item can be used by that party member as an upgrade, they should get it. If it’s not an upgrade for anyone, everyone need rolls for gold

[@Zleec]

The "if you pass youre very nice" was not the standard 20 years ago. Back then it was expected.

[@WhyOrem]

People really don't understand how important their name is. I can guarantee among the good players this mage will never ever be invited to their guild. Sure casuals don't care but who cares about casuals if they are playing past 60. People who are actually into the game will not do shit with this guy anymore. Doing something like this is an lifelong coward buff. There have been so many cases with people not getting invited to guilds/raids/dungeons anymore because they tarnished their own name. This also works the other way around btw. Someone tried to talk bad about me on the EU server Stitches. Long story short he failed so bad because i already had a very good reputation build up as a good dps and fast trader in 3 out of the 5 biggest guilds already and also among many people. Remember guys. Griefing so obviously or doing something similarly will make your character useless. No high tier guild will invite you ever. No guild will wanna raid about you. No Pre bis farmers will wanna run with you. Maybe after 2-3 months after your name has MAYBE been forgotten will fix that. Just don't do the bad and your good.

[@bullybreeds4637]

Yea you roach out of there knowing that guy is unhinged after living

[@BretPaxson]

You pass if the gold isn’t worth it

[@killengoth1450]

All need in pugs, pass in guild runs

[@tahroo4262]

Blizzard hasn't actually banned the guy yet that we know of... he got mass reported and the automatic function tossed him for a day, the maintenance came and he got logged back in where he got mass reported again and was gone. That's the 7 day. Players got rid of this guy on their own, and it's up to Blizzard to enforce their rules and perma-ban the guy like they do everyone who is clearly intentional killing another player in hardcore. As for the duration, it is permanent. If it is clearly intentional and with malicious intent, it is a permaban of the entire bnet account. Like, no more retail, no more classic, no more hardcore, no more SoD, no more D4. At best he can play his D2 offline and stuff. This is what happened to the guy doing the Swamp of Sorrow hearth to Crossroads grief. This is what happened to the players on this fresh hardcore that would take new players into RFC with their guild and then get them punted into the lava on the first boss. All gone forever.

[@imp_mane]

nah I think losing his account is enough. should be a lesson learned. And other guy should have acc restored.

[@MrSuperbear90]

Even if he only got a 7 day ban noone will play with Magix ever again so he can delete the char because its useless lololol

[@DeLong1]

dope videos brotha! hope you have a great week!

[@medigoomnis]

I think the first offense of clear griefing should result in a ban for 10x the victim's /played. Second offense, griefer's character dies olus 20x victim /played ban. Third offense, no ban, but all the griefer's HC characters die and all future characters get a permanent debuff that reduces all exp by 95% and causes instant death after hurting any other player in the game for any reason, plus they can only have 1 HC character at a time ever again and they cannot delete that HC character for 5 days. No perma-ban. Lmao.

[@phillipjackson1517]

Priest: "You can't control crits" Everyone Else "Duh, but you can control whether or not to attack your teammate" 🤣

[@Grewyn7]

Generally things that are boe are passed to those who need it amongst an entire guild group. If I'm with Randoms and say that pattern or shadowfang drops, I'm hitting need every time and twice on Sunday.

[@sebastianlhado7528]

There should be a greif debuff, like the mak-gora. but instead of 3 day game time its infinite on the character with 50% reduced stats etc

[@KontrolStyle]

2:35 all need, it's hardcore you only have one life. everyone should get a chance to sell/use the - IF IT'S FRIEND ONLY GROUP - then give to friend.

[@Spacemonkeymojo]

Blizzard should've coded the game so that if this happens and they can detect it was griefing then the character automatically dies right after he griefs. Or they should have a gang of GMs in the game who can kill anyone want they want called the "Griefer Hunters". They could be 5 Rogues with high level gear and they go around finding griefers, stalking them, harassing them and then executing them LMAO.

[@tasmali5669]

your take on the BOEs is so american. EU tends to flame you for this.. no one should promote or defend that egoistic behavior. actually that healer kind of deserved that lesson!

[@michaeldendulk2230]

No, same attitude has been around in EU servers since Classic and I hate it. Had quite a few discussions about in in realm discords around black listing, but in the end, the consensus was, if it isn't clearly otherwise stated at the start of a run needing on BOE's is acceptable.

[@StephanusII]

Xar, i want to give you a compliment. you are basicly the nicest a guy can be before i get sus. Hope you, the kid, the wife, the wow, the stream... and so on are doing great!

[@aeonstar293]

Whats so funny is this is pretty much a wow community exclusive issue. People use NBG just fine in Everquest.

[@Odyssey636]

No one plays everquest bro😂 its barely had thousands of players over the course of decades.

[@Mosvicious]

@@Odyssey636 Everyone in the EQ community knows each other since there is like 12 of them so ofcourse NBG works there. haha

[@WoWHardcoreClips]

Do you think a 7 day ban is enough for this?

[@sixtyninelol]

Should have been a 0 day ban

[@user-ux3jp9oo7r]

27 sounds correctt, but i bet blizzard are scared people will quit

[@Odyssey636]

​@sixtyninelol u sound like u eat dirt for supper. Perma ban from bnet is the actual correct play. That way he loses d4 retail and cod. U need a perma for ur bad take

[@sarppyjr]

That magix mage streamer said it was due to mental fatigue. That he worked an 8 hour shift before playing for hours and it was an accident

[@cluttereddrawers2084]

An 8 hour shift lol that's the totally standard shift.

[@Alexh-oq6sj]

@@sarppyjr what’s his twitch channel name?

[@sarppyjr]

@@Alexh-oq6sj magix23_tv

[@ofadetergentsud]

They should revive the priest. Then ban the mage for a month and send his character to the post-death server.

[@TheOesi1989]

times have changed. Early Days in WoW people only NEED if they Need. Using an Coin or i want it Roll to sell the item or for secondary specs or something. Nowadays everyone Needs to get the Item in any Case

[@LlamaIndustruies]

So, my response to "does everyone need?". Read the vocabulary of the loot table buttons. Button 1: Greed. Button 2: Need. If you equip it you get the need roll.

[@runescapeiwatchvids]

How did he kill him I don’t understand this I watched multiple times. Did he freeze the monster next to the priest and kill him that way or ?? I’m slow

[@alexbowe2316]

The boss mind controlled the priest, which makes the priest attackable. Players are aware of this mechanic going into it, and they are careful to not kill that player. This mage popped some DPS cooldowns, clearly killing the priest on purpose.

[@michaeldendulk2230]

Yep, boss mind controls a random player every so often. Normally you'd CC that player till the mind control runs out, but in this case, the mage just nuked the priest.

[@runescapeiwatchvids]

@@alexbowe2316 damb

[@KDKalvinDrake]

bad take, you don't roll need on a BOE just cuz its worth money if someone in your group is going to use it. That just seems like common sense to me

[@BearsRule777]

Are you new to video games? People say "I'm going to use that" and then proceed to sell it ALL THE TIME. I remember doing that when i was kid in 2004 😂

[@OfficialFo]

that BWL wipe is insane, thats like YEARS of playtime just gone in an instant

[@needfood4279]

profession recipes should go to a person that actually needs it. random epics and blues are ffa

[@sbonel3224]

The guy was despicable for doing that, but he shouldn't be banned. It's just a game mechanic

[@ATLTraveler]

He should be banned for however long it took the person he killed to get to 60, then once the ban is over they are able to log into their account for 10 minutes and then they get executed as well and have to restart.

[@benjaminjacobs5382]

Mage ban should be indefinite until the priest's new character hits the same level he was before getting griefed