Xbox Lost the Console War. Now It’s Redefining Gaming. | WSJ The Economics Of

[@wsj]

Microsoft lays off 650 videogame workers: on.wsj.com/4dhI7Wg

[@sebastiangruenfeld141]

bruh 🤣

[@carlosh9476]

This is just HR and support layoffs due to a merger/acquisition… happens eeeeevery time and has nothing to do with Microsoft’s incompetence.

[@unitedskiesunderthemoon]

Capitalism moment, ill society drugged on money making regardless of ppls livelihoods.

[@3asak1]

your numbers are wrong you are measuring the sucess in consoles sold, xbox ts making more profit than playstation by selling game pass on their consoles, phones and pc, xbox console users pay xbox making xbox more money from custumers than playstation users pay playstation. thats the real console war. your're miss ussing the term.

[@joejoe2658]

NO VR, NO GYRO, NO ADAPTIVE TRIGGERS, NOT EVEN HAPTICS = DEADBOX

[@sa340x]

Salute to those who witnessed the xbox 360 era. It was fun playing online with you all.

[@sinister184]

I believe GRAW servers are still up. Pop in a disc, my friend.

[@alitaimoor1482]

Personally, I enjoyed that era the most. More than XboxOne/PS4 era. To this day, I’d love seeing a dedicated handheld 360.

[@tomoprime217]

I camped outside for both an xbox 360 and ps4 on launch day, was the best times for console gaming. Now I play mostly on pc if I can ever find the time. 😅

[@alxfbn]

@@alitaimoor1482 Xbox360 and PS2/PS3 era was the best era

[@LALRamz]

@@alitaimoor1482seriously we had good call of duty games, god of war 3, mass effect trilogy, uncharted trilogy, bioshock trilogy, battlefield was good then and so much more. It was the last good generation

[@hackthis02]

We need a strong Xbox, if only to keep PlayStation in check. Sony isn't feeling threatened and boom! $700 mid-gen upgrade model.

[@joejoe2658]

NO VR, NO GYRO, NO ADAPTIVE TRIGGERS, NOT EVEN HAPTICS = DEADBOX

[@libardomm.trasimaco]

​@@joejoe2658 how much are you earning for defending a multimillion company? Remember that monopoly is not good for us, the customers.

[@ArthurDayne69]

@@libardomm.trasimacoit’s just a bot comment, don’t pay any mind to it.

[@phoenix5054]

PC, mobile, and whatever Nintendo coughs out will always threaten Sony PS.

[@hackthis02]

@@libardomm.trasimaco You are correct, but my underlining meaning is we need strong competition. That's what truly good for customers.

[@seansingh4421]

Consoles dont suck these days……Games do……..just stupid endless live service, looter shooter, super annoying flood of colors. A lot of us stopped playing because they stopped making good single player storymode games.

[@VitorMach]

Steam is your friend (especially couple with a Steam Deck). Many many great indie game releases these days.

[@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24]

You playing the wrong games

[@oosmanbeekawoo]

God of War 4? Uncharted 4? (Horizon)? Naruto Ship. Ultimate Ninja Storm 4? The Last of Us?

[@seansingh4421]

@@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24 no dear sweet internet stranger, I have stopped playing games on a regular basis and when I do its just Arkham Knight, GTA5 Story, Mafia 2 and such.

[@seansingh4421]

@@oosmanbeekawoo All good games but not my cup of tea friend 😊 but you do get my point right ? Like I don’t think I would ever recover from seeing how brutally they butchered my boy Arkham with SSKTJL

[@JHamby2068]

People are growing tired of subscription services. We're frustrated with being nickel-and-dimed every month for streaming and other subscriptions. If I can’t own and download my games, you won’t see a dime from me.

[@WingMaker2050]

I'm not. I love it. U will be left in the past while the future thrives. Plus xbox created a team to push forward compatibility for other generations. U can literally play almost all xbox and 360 games on the XBSX

[@thecustompropper1279]

So you're ready to pay more for physical media, remember the times when you'd pay the same amount for one CD that you pay for Spotify for a month. Yeah I am glad that era is over.

[@elowine]

But how often do you return to games you finished? I like to subscribe for a month or two, play a few games (that would be way more expensive to buy.) And cancel the subscription again, to return again later and repeat the cycle. At this point I've bought a ridiculous amount of games but only a handful I occasionally return to.

[@curious011]

@@WingMaker2050 that's not actually true.-- you are not left in the past just because you are not someone who prefers to own vs. subscribe till they die. you don't own anything. it's like renting a car on a home. it's not yours, ever. one day that precious internet may not be available as people fight over it. It just might go down one day and then you are in a bad place. we've had the internet 30 to 35 years and that's it. If the internet goes down you are out of everything. No apple music, no spotify, no online games subs and no streaming movies. history has taught us that humans can mess up just about anything and constantly do.

[@WingMaker2050]

@Michael-le5ph half these current gen games only work if it's online. All the most played games are online only. Plus these games don't come out finished so guess what u have to download a patch. U can't do that if the game is on media. There is only so much storage u can have on a disc unless the studio is willing to give u 2,3 disc's of the game. I tell ppl if u care about physical media just go buy and play old games. Currently physical media is over

[@sheepboy2560]

Gaming is about games. If your games suck, you lose.

[@TheRustedPixel]

And if one company owns the largest games library on PC, console and mobile...they win. The players certainly don't.

[@RedMisfit]

Not only that Xbox has a flagrantly low, scarcity of games and what they do have collectively doesn’t match the offerings of the 1st party titles at Sony and Nintendo. If you don’t have the content it’s not going to work.

[@lm_dccxl4078]

ooh if only that matters, tell that to the saturn, the gamecube or the vita

[@leninswalrus]

Diablo, starfield, minecraft,flight simulator,halo,gears of war, age of empires, wolfentein,forza, sea of theuves, doom, all great titles more importantly though, titles that produce revenue years after release. Microsoft has the same average metacritic for their games then Sony does, & their model is more future proof and sustainable as well. Sony admitted in their leaked documents that their model wasn't sustainable and their plans: copy MSFTs model Sony is HANDCUFEED to exclusivity on a console which is increasingly like being handcuffed to bluray player sales in the era of streaming as console is only 30 percent of the market and not growing at all. Additionally most of their consumers are normies that only buy two games a year and one of those two games Is COD 😂😂 If yiu look at their top 25 games MORE of those games are Msft IPs than Sony Ips😂 Sony doesnt even have a SINGLE successful GAS game. closest was helldivers which they unalived themselves, and destiny which sputtered out.They have multiple failures and they just lost 30 billion in stock valuation over the last year because of it. Theyre flailing and they're only strategy seems to be leveraging their marketshare to bribe devs off of xbox which is kind of pathetic Console hasn't grown since the ps3 360 era, its the same consumers buying the same boxes with a big crossover between the two. Msft knew going into this gen that losing the last gen when people built digital libraries meant that winning console wasn't in the cards for them, they pivoted successfully and not only do they have a broader consumerbase they're actually gonna survive this crash we are going through because of it.

[@BroCity-qh9ok]

​@@lm_dccxl4078or wii u despite having more exclusives than the xbox one, content isn't king

[@bibby3027]

The video game industry has been ruined by corporate execs who only treat it like a business instead of an art form. To microsoft, the success of a game is not based on how fun it is or how many people play it, it’s based on how much money it brings in through micro transactions and gamepass subs. Creativity in game design has been replaced by creativity in monetization. this is why halo infinite released with a fully functional 150 tier battle pass and only like 3 game modes. why hi fi rush’s studio got shut down despite the game being universally loved and winning a bunch of awards. Until microsoft shifts focus back to real artistry and game design, i’m fully confident that anything they do in gaming in the future will be a failure.

[@zerosam5541]

My dude gaming was all ways about money it's just that line must go up

[@bibby3027]

@@zerosam5541 yeah but there’s an obvious difference between the industry today and the industry 20 years ago.

[@krispydream6907]

If you are a CEO of a gaming company and not making any money or profits then you are doing it wrong.

[@guitarspud1723]

Hifi rush flopped. So they shut it down. Concord was owned by who? And what happened next?

[@guitarspud1723]

Hifi rush flopped. So they shut it down. Concord was owned by who? And what happened next?

[@yasinmahmudchowdhury1412]

The Xbox 360 era of gaming will always be the peak of gaming for me. Xbox truly peaked then and created something special for the youths.

[@bibby3027]

yup then the corporate suits took over

[@KingsOfZeal]

Bestera of xbox

[@mustafab.5261]

They did THE RED RING OF DEAD 😂

[@Brandonhayhew]

i had that until the ring of fire

[@168original7]

@@Brandonhayhew only the Wii wasn’t busted that gen, happy I went with that over the ps3 with the yellow light and the 360.

[@whoslistening]

Consoles need to stop charging to access online. The first console to do it will be more popular than the other, I pay full price for the console and my internet, game and those devs pay for servers on there end, no reason for it to exist except to screw over the consumer.

[@ThereItIsBuddy]

You can thank Microsoft for that. The 360 introduced it first and Sony decided to introduce it too with the PS4, as they saw that xbox consumers were okay with it.

[@larrythehedgehog]

@@ThereItIsBuddy small correction, the OG xbox was making users pay for online as well.

[@Salvat95]

PlayStation didn’t charge for online play with the ps3 and the Xbox 360 during that time outsold them lol.

[@zidan40o0]

it exists already, it is called a PC.

[@BLACKSTA361]

One of the reasons the ps3 was able to outsell the xbox360

[@eddiefok604]

FYI - Microsoft just layed off hundreds more workers as this article was just uploaded 😅

[@OneLastScholar]

Normal in this industry unfortunately, Sony and Amazon already did so earlier.

[@chriscross1737]

​@@OneLastScholar but not as big of a layoff as Microsoft. Subscriptions for games should end, and the only way to keep the gamers gaming is to allow them to keep the game and their game progress. This is not like a film/tv subscription. Games take effort, skill and time to complete. They can't just make anyone subscribe for them and take control of a gamer's fruit of labour.

[@lougodi4927]

Sony has also what's your point

[@johndough3809]

@@lougodi4927when did they lay off over 2500 people this year? 🤔. Xbox laid off over double. What’s YOUR point? 😂.

[@needum9212]

Microsoft always been laying off people tho. since i was a kid i would hear about Microsoft layoffs.

[@jfudge7384]

After decades of screaming that Nintendo is going third party, now that Microsoft is doing it, they're saying Microsoft is "redefining gaming". Weird how last place with billions in the hole gets this piece of propaganda. Phil is the biggest joke of a ceo in gaming and his grand master strategy can't compete against an arm tablet running on 2015 hardware.

[@bigfootwalker5399]

🎯

[@E-087]

Not even sony can compete against sony. And Xbox does generate more money than Sony. So I would say you are wrong

[@speedster4459]

Pretty happy with my xbox series x, ps4 pro, steam deck and asus rog ally. Please keep fighting😂😂😂

[@cudelsx]

Nintendo products are fuclong garbage bro the newest console they have is weaker than the 360

[@mltoteslabarbera4935]

Homie if you believe Xbox has “propaganda” you’re not paying attention

[@Donggers]

That mobile game spending is sickening

[@168original7]

Not really mobile faming is more acessible

[@ArthurDayne69]

Why it’s sickening. Mobile gaming is as much gaming as in of and consoles.

[@mdaddy9474]

more sickening: playing on a 6 inch screen. LUL

[@Actveable]

@@ArthurDayne69 no

[@LoranBriggs]

​@@ArthurDayne69Not at all. Most mobile gaming is "white whaling" making most of their money from a small fraction of their users. They do that by making grossly addicting games with pay to win features.

[@BreadBox42]

If you have a PC, having an Xbox is pointless. At least the Sony PS5 and Nintendo Switch have exclusive games and complement one another, or a PC.

[@NuggetVonHamburg]

PlayStation and pc is the sweet spot for me

[@raphaelokoye6459]

Tbf if you don't need to Play the games on release you can play almost all ps 5 exclusives on pc as well. It has never been more irrelevant which console you are buying when you own a pc. I think value wise pc plus switch is the best

[@FireTacoSpartan]

Idk man I do like the fact that I can play games on my PC then move to my couch and continue playing them on my xbox

[@168original7]

​@@NuggetVonHamburgnah just pc, it all ends up there anyway

[@AWY-LO]

@@raphaelokoye6459 Good graphic cards are overpriced.

[@partap_sd]

who actually plays "cloud gaming" or actually wants to hear about it, if they don't fix the high input lag, it will never thrive or be as good as playing the game in your own device

[@prateekpanwar646]

It's at best equivalent to 30 fps story games on console like God Of War, Uncharted 4, Star wars. If you try anything close to racing and shooter (actual games) then difference gets apparent soon.

[@quatreraberbawinner2628]

It will never be viable, they only want to make it a thing because they can have recurring revenue streams

[@coffee7180]

@@prateekpanwar646 geforce now is really good and some games run really well on xcloud.

[@alexbarnes6065]

It was really good on Stadia, especially for single-player campaign games. RIP.

[@nickhuber8023]

I’ve been using cloud gaming more often for R6, to save on storage space, and the input lag hasn’t been bad at all, my main complaint in the screen stuttering and occasionally the quality of the stream drops, but there still is basically no input lag. Using it on mobile is lame since to play optimally, you should connect a controller, and most games don’t have touch controls anyways

[@Kysen10]

Rent and own nothing, not for me.

[@Jia1337]

Gotta make those games better, not pump out more mediocre games.

[@oosmanbeekawoo]

With such money making mindset it's a long shot.

[@de132]

I don't think Microsoft's strategy will work ultimately. Every analyst talks about Game Pass, but Game Pass has high operational costs. Game Pass requires Microsoft to spend heavily to get 3rd party games on the service, eat heavy losses by moving 1st party games to the service, and incur even heavier costs for their cloud game offerings since cloud gaming is incredibly expensive from an operations standpoint. The "console games" industry was built around a loss leader, the console, and recouping the cost from games and accessories as this video mentioned. But live service microtransactions only go so far, live service games are a part of the attention economy. So at best, Microsoft has a couple of lucrative live service titles and a bunch of Concords. At worst, they have a wide library that doesn't make their gaming division show growth. They're sunk in my opinion.

[@csanders5870]

But in your opinion no matter what they do they would be and that is the problem with most of your opinions! No matter what... No matter how innovative or how much more tech or design or power Microsoft gives you for greater value despite the fact that you never even tried it or have never seen the features or heard of half of what they can do, you have committed to them not being good enough and the truth is you are killing off all the great innovation and keeping the industry from moving forward because PS will not design anything new because they not only don't have to but developers fear investing in things that you have already shown you won't even look at because you are so loyal to your tribe!

[@de132]

@@csanders5870 If you're implying I'm rooting for Sony to succeed or Microsoft to fail, you are sorely mistaken. I want a competitive market, but to me, Microsoft has hit an iceberg regarding their console business and supplanting it with a high cost-low return model is not going to increase shareholder value which is more important to Microsoft than innovation. In an adjacent industry, Xerox was incredibly innovative, and yet they're still a relatively small company among the big players. I'm not "killing off" anything and I also don't own a PlayStation 5, in fact I am a Game Pass subscriber.

[@thomasnielsen5580]

​@@csanders5870 He talks about cost, and that is facts. You either make or lose money. Microsoft only gives you greater value, if the thing on offer provides value to you. What does he need cloud gaming for if he plays locally? Why have game pass if he isn't interested in the games they offer. Why play on the Xbox when all their exclusives are on the PC, and most of them will come to PS5, while that's not the case with PS exclusives. I consider GamePass provides 0 value.

[@csanders5870]

@thomasnielsen5580 that is a choice. Cost is a time value proposition in which Microsoft can lay seeds to plant upfront and if people stop acting the way they have been it would allow further grief and reduce in cost over time. It would also lead to faster response times and an ability to fix errors in code like lag or cheaters. To answer the second part as a person who has the system and 5TB of local storage on their system the current generation of games take 30gb+ per update and 100 to download even if you have the disk and they get updated weekly almost! What you people who don't have Game Pass don't know is that through cloud gaming, that storage and update is done on the network and only the games you want are put on your local drive when you want them and you can switch as needed with 0 loss allowing you to prioritize your memory without buying more equipment or losses and you always start exactly where you were! I have games on my Series X that I have been playing since my 360 and yes I have disk for all my systems too!

[@Briggsian]

Gamepass is profitable and easier to implement at scale then selling people consoles (which are sold at a loss to keep prices low) due to its compatibility with both Xbox, PC, and mobile (through the cloud). The real money in gaming is made through selling games and accessories, not consoles. That's why, despite Sony selling more than twice the number of PS5s as Xbox Series consoles (118% more), revenue for Sony was only 67% higher than that of Xbox.

[@thedude8128]

I read a line a journalist wrote recently, completely unrelated but the quote related 'those on the side of failure will typically build their own reality'

[@168original7]

Pretty sure they are just pivoting because the xbox sold poorly. Not really creating their own reality, I doubt microsoft thinks their move to just selling software will change the gaming industry. The title is just clickbait.

[@bibby3027]

@@168original7nah microsoft definitely claimed to be redefining gaming. whether they actually believe that or not is debatable but they do claim to be doing that.

[@168original7]

@@bibby3027 when did they say that? They never said that at all with gamepass. The most they did was hype up the one x as the most powerful console ever, similar to what ps is doing with the ps5 pro.

[@wylerXL]

i read that too... i think the journalist summarize it as... "We celebrate failure".

[@AceChina]

So Microsoft is still taking Ls. Got it.

[@joejoe2658]

NO VR, NO GYRO, NO ADAPTIVE TRIGGERS, NOT EVEN HAPTICS = DEADBOX

[@sidneyhenderson6859]

​​@@joejoe2658all gimmicks and vr really you can't be serious just stop your so bad at this 😂😂😂

[@SolarErazer]

Xbox always taking L

[@phoenix5054]

Microsoft is worth $3 trillion though.

[@sheepboy2560]

​@@phoenix5054 MS W. XBox L's

[@user-2x5s-r5x6]

Windows Phone was also killed prematurely. Microsoft’s frequent changes in its mobile strategy, including its acquisition of Nokia and then pivoting away from hardware, caused confusion and inconsistency in the market.

[@Denis-zo6qo]

Windows Phone wasn’t killed prematurely, ist was killed much too late. Buying a dying company like Nokia and leading with a brand that nobody wanted to buy from at that point was incredibly stupid. It was clear long before that WP didn’t have a chance against Android and iPhone.

[@chrisredfield6903]

Yep I agree with you 100% Microsoft needs games like Resident Evil that's what made Playstation so successful Microsoft is lacking the games also then try not to have any ownership by streaming players like to own it come back to it in a year ,,,,😅2 years

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Exactly Microsoft's problem is they have great ideas yet they never fully commit to it and it gets dumped on then replaced

[@Battleguy04]

Don't forget the Zune.

[@emikomina]

Over $100 Billion spent and still in 3rd place

[@znjjnj1853]

But they're going to make more money than ps and Nintendo annually. Console sale number isn't profitable

[@AllThingsInfamous1]

You mean last period. Mobile, Nintendo and pc is ahead of Xbox

[@stijnvonck1431]

Third place and very far behind

[@DanielReuben_14897]

spending on garbage or gold is not same

[@BlkBornSeed]

Nintendo has been in business since 1983. PlayStation 1994 and Xbox 2001. For Xbox to even place period amongst them is a win.

[@ZetaMoolah]

I miss the Dreamcast days (I’m old)

[@rantamaula]

The only console I really liked, it was personal in some kind of way.

[@lashonearl6548]

I remember Atari, Sega Genesis, PlayStation 1, Xbox, Wii and Nintendo and I like them all. We stayed playing Super Mario, Duck Hunt, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man, Ms Pac- Man,Tetris and more.

[@lashonearl6548]

@@user-jr7bb6g9ev True and gaming itself and game consoles have come a very long way! There are many people who still choose to use consoles as well. Some people don’t like to do everything online.❤️

[@Riposte821]

This is LITERALLY what happened, and is happening, with books. What’s going to end up happening is that people will still purchase their favorite games (Zelda, CoD, Mario, FIFA etc) and then get game pass to try out other games etc. I’m surprised they don’t see the parallels. People just want to own “nice things” and if I can own my copy of the new Zelda coming out, you bet I am going to buy it. Just like with the Kindle. You buy that nice book for your personal library but you download a quick-read to your device when you travel.

[@Flexin010]

If I can’t have it physically and play it offline 10-15 years from now, I don’t want it.

[@stevens1041]

100%. I still have a working Playstation 2, recently fired up San Andreas. Everything works perfectly. No songs disappearing because of licenses or any of that nonsense, no servers offline, nothing, just a fun experience.

[@monkez25]

yeah but unfortunately it seems that nintendo is going to be the only company keeping physical games alive

[@Jan-k5d]

But you can buy and download games on Xbox for offline gameplay, no?

[@Battleguy04]

Exactly. The moment physical media is discontinued to cut costs I'm done with new consoles. I have a backlog of old games on PS2, Wii, and 360 ready whenever.

[@krob8823]

100

[@scaredjakku]

> treats their players disrespectfully > treats their studios disrespectfully > treats their devices disrespectfully > lost all game devs who liked the previous console by pricing the next console $500 > lost almost all exclusives including all your good exclusive > hired a terrible studios to ruin their best franchise > lost the console war > becomes a cloud gaming service well played, microsoft.

[@stevens1041]

Agree with every point except for 500 dollars. A very reasonable price at this point. Seen the PS5 Pro pricing, when you add the disc drive in?

[@i.d.6492]

@@stevens1041 you do realize that if Xbox elite didn't come out or wouldn't be the same or worse

[@dislexicpotato]

What you mean $500 console? That's the same price as the PS5

[@scaredjakku]

@@dislexicpotato the xbox one was forcing you to buy the kinect at launch which made people switch to ps4

[@dislexicpotato]

@@scaredjakkuApologies, thought you were talking about the Series X. I’m dumb.

[@kingjia90]

Activision Blizzard renowned for Call of Duty and Candy Crush, omg.. skipping all the Warcraft and Diablo stuff

[@RealisticMgmt]

Haha I noticed that as well. Oh, how the mighty have fallen...

[@purrt-kurt]

This is the WSJ. From a gaming standpoint, Warcraft and Diablo are more impressive. For investors, Candy Crush and CoD leverage the most money, which makes them the most interesting.

[@solitude7566]

@@RealisticMgmt Wow still makes a killing. There currently over 7M subscribers up from 3M a few years ago. $15/month. Diablo 4 has had revenue over 1B in a little over a year. Blizzard is very profitable just not the household name Candy Crush and CoD are.

[@Nightman-eb8mj]

The video is meant for boomer normies, don't assume they know anything about gaming.

[@vivliforia2262]

Microsoft should buy out Take-Two (the owner of GTA). Sony would get really mad.

[@stuffbenlikes]

I want to own my games, not rent them. Screw this whole thing, and screw anyone who supports it.

[@antonsiberian]

True, I just buy games on disk, I prefer own things.

[@KingAgniKai]

Gamepass killed Xbox long term

[@MarcosFMolina]

Replaced it*

[@moji4621]

because physical discs are sustainable in the 21st century long term

[@jostimantatarigan7657]

I loooove Gamepass, but the problem is making an epic quality game and put it on game pass is not profitable for both Microsoft and the game studio. That's why Starfield and Halo Infinite were a bit 'short' in every aspect. There's no point for the studios to put 110% of their effort to make a game because they are paid at an almost fixed revenue for their game.

[@Dzzy123]

Xbox isn't trying to beat Nintendo and PlayStation anymore because they know that they cannot. That's why Phil Spencer stated in an interview that no matter how many games Xbox releases, players won't switch to the console from their PlayStation, especially if players built a digital library in one ecosystem (paraphrase). That statement was essentially an admission of defeat.

[@Raicorridon]

yh and thats because they took 2 long to understand that a gaming system is actually used for well gaming they were overly focused on power and streaming and tv and anything unrelated to gaming and thats what lost them

[@Disciple_82]

Microsoft here with the PR blitz that because their console is failing, that all consoles are failing.

[@168original7]

Literally didn't even say that in this video 😂😂😂 what, do you guys even watch it or just write whatever

[@Overlandjon]

Every console is dying because the games have died. The games don’t exist anymore. Ps5 and xbox have literally maybe 2 games combined that are original games and arnt remasters. Streaming sadly is the only option for them to be relevant. I miss the days where a console would launch with like 10 new IPs. Long gone are those days

[@bobbobbins4877]

​@@Overlandjon, 140 million Switchs and 60 million PS5s say otherwise. Even the "failing" Xbox is approaching 30 million this gen. Consoles aren't dying.

[@bobbobbins4877]

@dohnjoey, The numbers just don't support what you're saying. Both Xbox and PlayStation are on pace with, if not slightly outperforming, where they were at this stage of the previous gen. Despite the fact that they were almost impossible to get hold of during the first couple of years.

[@fillsbury8304]

@dohnjoey Oh, we definitely cared about exclusives in the past, they determined what console you desperately wished for, for Christmas. If you wanted to play Sonic, it was a SEGA Genesis, if it was Spyro it was a PS1, if it was Ocarina of Time it was an N64. Most kids didn't get more than one console each generation, so it was a big decision that was ultimately decided by exclusives.

[@TheJordanLeopold]

I want DISCS, not digital games I might lose in the future when the next generation or two comes out..

[@johnhawthorne4716]

Discs? Like the start or an update

[@Centro-centro]

I dont know about yall but i love my Xbox Series S

[@sevenmileshome]

I love the series X, but needing internet to play every game is causing a layer of dust to form

[@myplaylist4959]

Also you buy licensed game, if server down xbox series s just 🗑️

[@TheBrandedOne2003]

Emulation powerhouse, I love my GameCube and PS2 games on my series x

[@joemikami]

How is the the company who lost every aspect they go in “redefine gaming”? WSJ got the instructions from Microsoft: say anything positive about Xbox against PlayStation, QUICK!!

[@168original7]

@@joemikami probably by buying up every popular live service ip under the sun and cod

[@thomasnielsen5580]

They have redefined gaming. By destroying so many developers in a very short time.

[@continental_consumer]

They show companies what NOT to do when making consoles.

[@ArcadianGenesis]

I gotta say, I think it's good that each of the Big 3 are doing different things instead of competing directly with each other on the same thing. Sony is offering the most traditional console gaming experience now. They have a subscription service, but they don't lean into it as heavily as MS, and they still produce physical media for most of their games. Nintendo is taking the hybrid console/handheld approach. MS is fully committed to the all-digital subscription model, and they're making Xbox more like a PC gaming experience. I think this diversity of approaches is cool.

[@Balcaceres_Art]

Game industry veteran and now co-owner of a studio, Xbox isn’t redefining anything at this time, they are bleeding hard and they have just lost 650 people they-themselves are letting go of, Xbox Pass is sold at a loss and like the video says only 6% or so use the highest tier for games. For it to “get better” the internet needs to 20x in Des Moines, IO, or a random place. Sadly this means - PC gaming is here, if Microsoft can lose the “war” it doesn’t mean PS5 is winning - it means most gamers are on PC

[@jobiej7416]

Are you on twitter?

[@sinister184]

The writing is on the wall for Xbox hardware, but not Xbox Studios. I think they've just realized it's a losing proposition to compete with Sony and Nintendo in the home console market. They want to make games, sell them to everyone, and let hardware people do hardware (PC universe).

[@Yashua2Rule]

That explains it, all are to PC's, yup, too bad

[@noelcantera4498]

Wow! 13 year old me would have been so happy to hear this news. Well, at least the first part of the title.

[@millabasset1710]

They don't compete with Nintendo and Sony, they're competing with Amazon, Google and Apple.

[@tgs1766]

Well, you got the first part right.

[@kasiadinero1695]

@@tgs1766He got the second part right too. Microsoft even said it themselves.

[@tnductai]

it's hard to believe a company as big as microsoft has so many unsucessful products: windows phone, earbuds, xbox, folding phones, etc. Their design is awful, the user experience can't compete

[@dmac5472]

As an xbox gamer, I want the console to thrive. Lol I skipped a whole console generation holding on to a 360 until 2022

[@PrinceKasanga]

Not owning my games is where they lost me.

[@curtfehr]

Consoles make sense for the same reason a Costco membership makes sense - you’ve got an investment you don’t want to let go unused.

[@Afifi96]

4:49 save data was NEVER stored on disc. Disc based console maker opted to store save data on proprietary medium until console internal storage was suficient.

[@lucademarte]

Honestly, the whole ‘console war’ thing feels pretty old and unnecessary these days. While the video makes some good points, it misses out on a lot of different aspects of gaming and the variety of platforms out there

[@alexanderfarah]

I know it's not necessarily possible for everyone's situation, but at least for myself, I own every console. I used to be a pure PS guy alongside Nintendo, and I still primarily use PS5, but I also have a Series S that I enjoy. I figured, why subscribe to arbitrary "console wars" when I can just enjoy what I like? And give myself options? I think most consumers feel this way too. I also believe the rise of crossplay has made the wars obsolete, as now you can play most major MP games on any device with anyone.

[@AllThingsInfamous1]

Console wars will always be a thing long as there is two competing consoles. Some people just have a preference no matter what. I prefer ps and Nintendo but I have a series x that collects dust.

[@Mr_Bawon]

Just because Microsoft LOST the console war doesn't mean its irrelevant.

[@yobro-eg3ic]

​​@AllThingsInfamous1 I don't think console wars are about people with preferences. But more about people who go out of their way to d-ride multi-billion dollar corporations, not realizing they're promoting monopolies, which of course hurt ALL consumers.

[@notalexbaker4959]

im not paying a subscription service for gaming. I'm sick and tired of having a subscription for everything.

[@raresolaru3548]

the comment section here reminds me again how young the gaming market still skews.

[@ImViruxx]

I will stick to traditional console gaming - PlayStation 💙💪🏻

[@MohammedRyad-gs5rt]

Same brother

[@MohammedRyad-gs5rt]

Same brother

[@iLegionaire3755]

Prepare to get ripped off with the Playstation 5 Pro. A LOT.

[@ImViruxx]

@@iLegionaire3755 I’m staying with my standard PS5 atm.

[@continental_consumer]

​@@iLegionaire3755People are blowing the ps5 pro out of proportion. Nobody has to buy this and i doubt many will. The release of the ps5 pro will not affect ANYBODY whatsoever who doesnt buy it.

[@RobynHood1021]

That woman hit the nail on the head at 4:24 thats why I dont like the subscription services ..games get added then….games get removed..change that and even more people would sign up

[@Art-is-craft]

In 15 years time nobody will care about all those games. They are a thing of the past.

[@raymondmoono1094]

We ARE TIRED OF PAY TO WIN GAMES AND DAMM SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES

[@ilgazkayili]

In subscription gaming, we can't control our games like we can't even do a language patch to a game

[@kekuleh1]

Xbox needs to get into handhelds, by proxy. They can license their OS to OEMs. It's practically Windows anyway. That means they can get Game Pass and their store on more devices, while competes with Steam Deck, but not against PC, nor its own Series X/S.

[@jonathanvantende]

The Xbox brand is in a death spiral, with little or no exclusives i can't see how they are going to be competitive with Sony or Steam.

[@continental_consumer]

Finally someone mentions steam as a competitor. Yes they arent too big in hardware, but steam as a whole is probably way bigger than xbox and their cloud game service will ever be. If steam deck was to be put on shelves, I believe they'd easily outdo xbox on the hardware side.

[@roccociccone597]

I find it funny how very few mention Nintendo, when they’re the ones to decimate everyone else. The switch destroyed last generation and this generation is nowhere to be found.

[@LayneSadler]

How do you release this segment without mentioning Backbone?

[@Coverpage2568]

What is a missing link for Cloud Gaming ?

[@NOBLE0307]

RIP Xbox you will be missed

[@thedarkdot2977]

Rip Sega you will be missed :(

[@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24]

Xbox ain’t going anywhere 😂

[@oosmanbeekawoo]

No you won't!!

[@Boss-rm7wr]

Not for Xbox it's Nintendo.😂

[@BlackSkyZ2]

you fanboys have waited for Xbox for die for over 10 years now! Time to wake up to reality.

[@michaelp4122]

I prefer physical ownership, but I understand one day that that might not be an option. Still, I can't see a game pass taking off when I can own games digitally on steam and download them 30 years later if I choose to play them.

[@jivewig]

Game pass is more for people who play one off single player games and then forget about it

[@glennzone12]

AAA games are getting so big in storage size that physical media might need to stay.

[@michaelp4122]

​@@glennzone12 All the more reason they will stop making physical games. Balder's Gate 3 isn't available physical (outside of a limited edition/Japan) because it takes 3 disks. Why absorb the cost to put a game on physical media AND partition the game so it's playable as 3 separate files on a disk? Let consumers buy a hard drive and front the cost. It's all about profit...

[@glennzone12]

@michaelp4122 I was thinking maybe games will use Flash drive media. Kind of like cartridges. Games are approaching 200GB+. It's just not feasible for 1 or 2 TB SSDs. People will start a collection of hot-swappable SSDs anyway.

[@JayD-e2w]

8 million sold last year of the new xbos model, that's not bad. So it's not sonys 20 million and Nintendo 17 million... So what. It has a fan base and it has sales. Why is everything about winning.

[@user-2x5s-r5x6]

Windows Phone was also killed prematurely. Microsoft’s frequent changes in its mobile strategy, including its acquisition of Nokia and then pivoting away from hardware, caused confusion and inconsistency in the market.

[@JayD-e2w]

@@user-2x5s-r5x6 not really MS fault with windows phone... That SnapCrap CEO said they would not develop an app, most others followed suit or had done already. No point keeping something going when devs won't develop lol. This is different, games on devices are the future... Look at Steam Deck and the handheld that's spawning, that's where MS will be next, maybe not hardeear but certainly on the handheld.

[@sheepboy2560]

Shareholders, dude.

[@Random_dud31]

​@@JayD-e2wit is actually 100% Microsoft fault. They decided to lock down the ecosystem at the start. Its was hard for devs to make apps for Windows phone

[@JayD-e2w]

@@Random_dud31 I was one... They paid well, it was open as F. But, due to a 7% share it was not worth the effort from the large players at the time. Speak about what you know dude, not what you heard. Litterally withing a month if SnapCrap hitting the 500k downloads a month and they said no windows app everything went. All the banks stopped, shopping sites etc... It just stopped.

[@daytradingking1210]

The Xbox 360 was my first ever console. I was in middle school I miss being that young and care free 😭😭😭

[@pedromarques9267]

Google already left the race when it decommissioned Google Stadia in 2023. The only big player right now in Cloud Gaming is NVIDIA with GeForce Now

[@Toonrick12]

And even then, GeForce now isn't a stand-alone service. They are reliant on other services to host the games. What happens if Epic pulls out of the deal and makes their own cloud service?

[@kasiadinero1695]

@@Toonrick12Steam

[@kasiadinero1695]

@@Toonrick12Nobody uses Epic games launcher

[@curiouspeople6441]

I am still playing SNES , N64 , GameCube , Gameboy Color games 😊 . Don’t feel the need for Xbox .

[@jameswatson5807]

In a deep black manc accent "still in the 90s jay 😁

[@_Mozarrk]

Well I play the og pong. Never touched anything else. What's an snses? No clue. Sounds better than xboxes tho. But I'll stick with pong. Much more enjoyable than nentendoo

[@rokmare]

"Redefining gaming" what a strange way to say digging it's own grave 😂

[@HeadEnterprise]

RIP Halo. You held me down during my teenage years

[@mattias990]

I have an xbox series X and a gaming PC. I use gamepass ultimate for both devices. Its so awesome to play on your console for the most parts but for when a new multiplayer title comes out you know that all your friends have game pass too so you all just download the game and enjoy it. No need to constantly try to sell my friends on a game.

[@hansolowe19]

I want to own the games I play.

[@AGP510]

If anything this hurt the game industry

[@oosmanbeekawoo]

It's alright we still have Sony and PC gaming.

[@peteraf1799]

There’s no reason to make a more powerful console when majority of the “new gen” games aren’t even enjoyable to play. The main core of gaming is about enjoyment of games, not which console would be more powerful

[@ThunderTheYellowJolteon]

Get a Steam Deck. And if you can't afford an all-digital handheld PC, get a Nitnendo Switch.

[@Leanzazzy]

4:25 She's right that consumers don't feel comfortable not owning a product. You pay $80 to sometimes $200 for deluxe editions of games and then you don't even own it, and whenever Microsoft, Sony, Ubisoft, EA or whoever wants, they can just take it away and there's nothing you can do about it. What sort of BS deal is that? On top of that, NO ONE likes subscriptions and would rather pay a larger sum up-front and own the product instead. Also, don't know why anyone still buys consoles nowadays. It's like buying Apple products. Now even PlayStation & Xbox exclusives are available on PC. I've played God of War 2018 and Ragnarok, The Last of Us Part 1, Marvel's Spider-Man and Miles Morales, Uncharted Legacy of Thieves collection and Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West. All at Ultra settings, with much better graphics, not to mention MODS and save editors, all for absolutely FREE. There's no time like now to join the Master Race.

[@JoseAnayaTV]

Companies are getting so gritty with subscriptions. Subscriptions everywhere now. I'm afraid that soon there will be no "Gaming War".

[@jamesroy791]

It's not REDEFINING GAMING it's buying up most of the AAA competition mismanag ing those same studios in the process ending up making carp products and locking it all behind an exspensive netflix like subscription service Ultimately this will fail

[@hareeshvarun]

In India buying and owning multiple games could be super costly, glad there is a Game Pass . Where i can download and play game legally and have fun.

[@EPITAPH13]

Bhai sabka yaha net super fast nahi hota . So game pass is a useless feature for most of Indians. I like physical games

[@adityatanwar1]

I agree. The exorbitant prices of owning games was one of the biggest factor why I chose to purchase XBox over Playstation. I like my gamepass subscription. It allows me to try out new game every everytime I get bored of the existing games.

[@omartaj7010]

I tried Gamepass for over a year and now stopped my subscription and selling my Xbox. 95% of the Gamepass library is trash games.

[@abhinavayush967]

@@EPITAPH13most games give digital code on their cd and u download it from net , Lmoa it’s not like 2012 when games were like 5 gb .

[@abhinavayush967]

@@omartaj7010 Lmoa if gamepass is trash u should see how horrendous ps plus is .

[@chilliear]

Still buying console. Continuously pay for games is a turn off for me.

[@dvxAznxvb]

Fortunately they haven’t figured a DRM solution for internet service for PC users; that would be a sad day of greed which people have to pay for internet already so to add another subscription would be absurd

[@KennyJ.]

Because Xbox isn’t console only anymore for years now. Xbox is dominating by being everywhere and be playable on almost every device thanks to Xbox Game Pass. That’s the only truth.

[@continental_consumer]

Almost any device WITH a strong internet connection. You cant even bring this thing outside your own home, but you can with the switch and steam deck, which will be xbox' downfall with the growing market of handhelds.

[@lazeppelini123]

Whenever it's digital - I'm out

[@gregp.7148]

I got the online Game Pass last year and never bought the console. Can stream all of Microsoft’s games anytime, even the newest ones. Very happy with this setup. Edited: Yes, Microsoft, not Sony. My bad.

[@keijijohnson9754]

You mean MICROSOFT?😑

[@michael2275]

Cloud gaming is for the poors

[@kyledenson1287]

Huh?

[@revemb4653]

@@keijijohnson9754no he probably on PC streaming games from both Sony and Microsoft

[@eknoorsinghM]

@@michael2275 Are you saying poor people don't have a right to play video games?

[@Yarnooee]

Despite building numerous data centers and acquiring gaming companies, Microsoft has still failed to convince me to subscribe to their service with fun games. Instead, they chose to shut down the only studio that produced fun-looking games in their entire library. i wish they fail hard because their stratagies seems unheathy for the market, and looks straight up evil.

[@UKairways]

Quit playstation for Xbox after being around since PS2. The PS5 is way too large and uses around 1/3 more electricity than the 2024 Brooklyn Xbox models. The Series X is a nice console. Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 was the catalyst for me.

[@NewAISongsVideosAndMusic]

Xbox needs exclusive games... 🙄🙄🙄

[@antonioau_gb89]

Todd: did you mean 16x of detail ?

[@OneLastScholar]

Day 1 PC parity has killed that idea since 2017.

[@jameswatson5807]

Most console gamers have no PC.

[@TnTteam09]

Halo is the best exclsuiv3 game ever released

[@antics562]

Xbox exclusives don’t slap anymore That’s their biggest obstacle

[@etqf]

Gears and halo use to be good

[@ahmaddeeni]

Why don’t they go charge the military industrial complex a subscription fee instead. Always trying to fleece the normal everyday person. They ain’t winning this game anyway, I rather go out side and kick rocks with the homies.

[@EhurtAfy]

This segment is about five years behind the times. Microsoft started releasing all Xbox games on Steam several years ago, Steam is a better ecosystem so not only do games look better on PC/Steam, you can also still earn Xbox achievements as normal. I sold my Xbox all those years ago once I realized I could add Halo, Forza to my Steam library and every new exclusive would be on there. Backwards compatibility is the only reason to own an Xbox anymore and there aren't any compelling classics in the Xbox library in my opinion

[@TomNook.]

Xbox: you will own nothing and be happy

[@Sonucvt]

Nothing can beat Playstation's legacy and user experience , way to go MS

[@lopzy7]

physical games are better! When your done with a game you can sell it If you don’t want to pay full price you can by used If you want to lend it to a friend you can subscriptions are not better for the consumer they are better for the company why do you think they are going this route? Because it makes the company more money Your saving them money on producing physical products and getting them into stores Your making them money by completely eliminating the used game market, and eliminating sharing of games Will you see any off these savings translated into cheaper prices for games? No. The digital download of games costs just as much as the physical copy

[@simonquemo7525]

I'd rather buy a game online, save all the plastic and garbage from making those games

[@lopzy7]

@@simonquemo7525 microsoft would rather you buy it online too so you can’t lend jt to your friends or sell it to someone else used. Not because they care about the environment

[@shanewillbur1325]

@@simonquemo7525very much disagree. Physical is about having more control over what you bought with your money I’m on the PS5 and ONLY buy physical if I can help it.

[@TheKingAmeer]

I don't see why Xbox gets hate I have both PS5 and Series S and I enjoy both of them. I like the PS5 controller better since I only play Cod and gta on my PS5 but now Cod is included in the game pass which is a perk for me. Also, Game Pass is great $20 is a little steep but if you share it with family members and split the price it'll be worth it. Me and my cousin split the 20 dollars so I don't mind paying $120 each year it includes cod and online access and it has better games on it compared to PS Plus. My first console was the ps3 in 2010 and PS4 Pro in 2016 and now I have the PS5 in 2020 I got the series last year and it's great, especially with the backward compatibility. So far I got 17,865 G Achievements

[@IntellectuallyIvy]

It would have been nice to see commentary on the potential drawbacks of releasing first-party games on competing platforms.

[@SuperVigilante007]

I sold my Xbox series X for a Nintendo switch and never been happier. Games for Xbox are mostly violent shooters or elder scrolls type games that sink many hours. Switch has fun casual games not as violent, that you can just pick up and put down whenever. Games like Mario wonder, Mario kart, Luigi’s mansion,breath of the wild, tears of the kingdom, Kirby, ray man, donkey Kong exc. Also couch co op on switch is better than Xbox, plus the handheld feature and portability is light years ahead of Xbox. In addition Nintendo and PlayStation exclusive games are much better, more story driven and seems to care more about quality, Xbox exclusives like Forza 5, gears of war, flight simulator and Halo infinite don’t even compare.

[@TheBf666]

Is this supposed to be a joke? Xbox is not redefining anything.

[@needum9212]

how is it not? game pass is amazing

[@ForRealConfused]

they need games, but not any games, good games, made by people making games they would play.

[@jameswatson5807]

The first Xbox had good games, the system still failed.

[@cchhen21]

RIP XBOX

[@kitfromvideos]

This video is really made for anyone who has never heard of video games before

[@riverkeyes3455]

Well when I woke up this morning I certainly wasn’t expecting to see an insightful piece about the video game industry from the Wall Street journal of all places but this was good

[@jayevans20]

Great video. People think that because of console sales, Microsoft has lost. They own half of the IP in the gaming industry. As long as the number one game on PlayStation continues to be Xbox games, Xbox isn't going anywhere. Just an FYI

[@johndough3809]

Yeeeah this is an Xbox problem, not an industry one

[@chankamfai218]

Xbox is the loser, because it can't create a good game. Nintendo and PlayStation can fulfil my gaming need, that's why I don't need Xbox.

[@yourikhi]

How do people afford so many subscriptions??? Its crazy

[@phoenixdown1947]

monthly payment/subscription is like a parasite draining you, till ur gone.

[@TheInternetIsDeadToMe]

I’m done with Microsoft.

[@ronaldlalisan5592]

Play station and nintendo users have more than X box user.