Xeno-(SK) | MY Epistemology Is Correct, Yours Isn't | Talk Heathen 06.06

[@j.gairns]

Xeno: "I have made progress over on Talk Heathen." Everyone who has listened to Xeno before: "Incorrect."

[@IRGeamer]

“There is a cult of ignorance… and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov

[@UnintelligentDesigner]

He's the kind of guy to say he's making progress after spending $1000 on scratch-off tickets because he had three $100 winners in the pile. I very seriously know several people who do exactly that on a weekly basis. They'll spend an hour at the machine, feeding tens and twenties in, scratching furiously, then go over to cash in a couple winners, all happy that they made maybe 10% back. Fucking sad.

[@TheQuantumWave]

It's always painful when the dumbest person in the room is convinced that they are the smartest and won't stop letting everyone know it.

[@TheSnoeedog]

especially when they're alone in the dark, masturbating at full volume, in front of an unwilling audience it's the same sort of miraculous contradiction that allows Jordan Peterson to masturbate alone in the darkness, gazing lustfully at a portrait of his own voice.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

Its Dunning Kruger

[@TheSnoeedog]

It's even worse when they're standing alone in the room, oblivious to the fact

[@petermeichan3160]

yeah man, he's so annoying

[@IRGeamer]

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

[@TheSnoeedog]

Xeno - "I didn't come here to WWE it with you guys, you're just atheists. I'm defining god as the lint in my navel. *CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS!"*

[@timp7796]

this caller sounds annoying af

[@goalski134]

xeno was a parody and a waste of time.

[@lyndonbauer1703]

I'd just be silly and define the singularity as "not god" haha, check mate theist!

[@angelsilva2331]

Just show me god any god

[@goalski134]

@@lyndonbauer1703 if you define god as my cat, then he’s definitely real. we’ve neutered him and he’s sleeping on the couch.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

Hey Xeno, I just proved that unicorns exist. I rode it work this morning. It has two tires, handlebars with a horn in the middle, a motor, and even a padded seat; I call it unicorn. Tada! Checkmate, unicorn nonbelievers! Seriously though, the best part was when he started reading the epistemology definition off the internet! That was hilarious!!

[@teuast]

urbanists are going to say that's a "bicycle" and that unicorns "aren't real" but if i didn't ride a unicorn to work, then how did i get to work?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I was talking to a friend on the sidewalk one day when another guy pulled up on his Unicorn. I looked over and jokingly said "Hey, nice Kawasaki". He did his pretend-not-to-hear-because-he's-(actually)-partially-deaf thing and eventually the convo ended and he drove off. The guy I was talking to in the first place then looked over and asked "Did you KNOW he put a bunch of Kawasaki parts on his Harley or was that just a lucky guess?".

[@heinshaaine8153]

1. All things have a cause 2. Avalanches exits. 3. Avalanches have a cause 4. That cause is god. Conclusion: god exists. And he is the most powerful stone in the avalanche because how else could he have created such a complex way to lay own all the stones of the avalanche. He had to plan all the paths of the stones form the point prior to the start of the avalanche till it stopped. This stone ist really knowledgeable and i think it cares about me.

[@arndnaj]

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

[@ninaschust3694]

And even when he read the definition, he didn't understand the meaning of the term. 😮

[@Robeebert]

Xeno isn't a math nerd, he's a numerologist. He's a conspiracy theorist.

[@arndnaj]

He's a crypto bro that believes he's an innovator and creator.

[@TheSnoeedog]

Zero couldn't spell the words *MATH* or *NERD* ...I'm not holding my breath re: numerology or conspiracy theory. I don't think it can read. I don't think it can do up its shoes....I think it had to bribe one of the nurses to dial the phone for it.

[@MikeTMike]

He's a moron.

[@oxidize11]

he think he has everything figured out while being stoned and staring at the microwave.

[@Homeoftheclan]

So basically he was an atheist for poor reasons and he’s a theist for different poor reasons.

[@kaihedgie1747]

He was never atheist period. This guy has a history on the Atheist Experience and related shows, particularly with Matt Dillahunty. He's just here to preach, not have honest discussions or debates

[@lovesjersey]

@@kaihedgie1747 It's another attempt to discredit thoughtful atheists with a trick of language. "I can define God as whatever I want, so you have to believe in God if I say God is ..." whatever. I happily admit that breakfast cereal exists, but if you say, "Well, I define God as Lucky Charms," the only prize you win is the marshmallow treats inside the box. I could get a pet turtle and name it "god", that doesn't mean I have outwitted Dan Dennet.

[@TheMonk72]

By definition he is not a theist. At best he's a deist. He doesn't believe that his "god" has intentionality.

[@lovesjersey]

@@TheMonk72 Belief that any sort of a deity exists is theism. So, deism would be a subset of theism. People usually associate theism with a belief the god has some sort of intention, but that aspect is not necessary.

[@ishmaelkelly951]

Hit the nail right on the head😃👍

[@russellh9894]

Xeno came in so combative. He wants to be the smartest person in the room.

[@Lupinemancer87]

Which already makes him the dumbest one :D

[@amyv8416]

@@Lupinemancer87 even if he's the only one in the room.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

meanwhile he told the hosts to not get "emotional"

[@Birdman31942]

He lives his life on a mental treadmill

[@TheMonk72]

He clearly doesn't know what epistemology is and he demonstrated that repeatedly. Meanwhile JMike has actually studied this stuff extensively, and probably is the smartest guy in most conversations he's involved in. I wouldn't challenge him 😁

[@jonathanross2304]

"ya know, if this knight were a queen it'd be Checkmate!" "K. But it's not soo...." "Well I actually call that knight a queen, so... Yeah, Checkmate!" "That's definitely not how chess works"

[@TeslaGengar]

“if all my pieces were queens and all your pieces were gone except the king, then it would be checkmate” that’s what it felt like

[@oxidize11]

spot on

[@thetherapist53]

I'm astounded that Xeno was able to call in. He sounds like he has issues with velcro shoes.

[@jayjonah83]

He sounds like he chases his shadow into a dark room and then declares victory

[@jeff6660]

Xeno calling Matt Dillahunty a narcissist is nothing if not the pot calling the kettle black.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Aron Ra coined the phrase The Pot Calling The Silverware Black, and it fits so very well.

[@petermeichan3160]

Matt's no narcissist, he just gets frustrated with dumb people who can't grasp the simplest concept

[@IRGeamer]

Never underestimate a narcissists burning lust to manufacture oppression for themselves when faced with even the most reasonable and minor criticism.

[@MizumD]

This guy calls Matt a narcissist and then goes into melt down mode when his shit gets called. Sounds pretty narcissistic.

[@dylanpatterson7149]

He’s projecting

[@IRGeamer]

Never underestimate a narcissists burning lust to manufacture oppression for themselves when faced with even the most reasonable and minor criticism...

[@DefaOmega]

New Headline - "Your Dumbest Friend Smoked Weed for the First Time"

[@tetsujin_144]

It's like Xeno is constantly moving in the direction he wants to go but never actually reaching any destination...

[@brucebaker810]

Xeno's Paradox. If every step you make is "half way to x", you'll never get to x. This Xeno keeps changing x.

[@KarlBunker]

@@brucebaker810 Thank you for explaining the joke. /s

[@brucebaker810]

@@KarlBunker I rephrased the definition. I added that caller was changing the target (which is a further and bigger obstacle to ever getting there).

[@davidstorrs]

You guys are insanely patient. I would have been done immediately after "God does not have a mind or intention."

[@aarononeal201]

Maybe Xeno is God because neither does he...

[@FirstnameLastname-cx6go]

They should have just agreed.

[@thedude0000]

to be honest, JMike really wasn't that patient.

[@youwillwin7107]

*An Overview of Contingency Argument* There are three premises in the argument: 1. _Everything that exists has an explanation of its existence (either in the necessity of its own nature or in an external cause)_ 2. _If the universe has an explanation of its existence, that explanation is God_ 3. _The universe exists_ Now what follows logically from these three premises? From 1 and 3 it logically follows that: 4. _The universe has an explanation of its existence_ And from 2 and 4 the conclusion logically follows: 5. _Therefore, the explanation of the universe’s existence is God_ Now this is a logically airtight argument. So if the atheist wants to deny the conclusion, he has to say that one of the three premises is false. But which one will he reject? Premise 3 is undeniable for any sincere seeker after truth. So the atheist is going to have to deny either 1 or 2 if he wants to remain an atheist and be ' rational '. So the whole question comes down to this: are premises 1 and 2 true, or are they false? Well, let’s look at them. According to premise 1 there are two kinds of things: (a) things which exist necessarily and (b) things which exist contingently. Things which exist necessarily exist by a necessity of their own nature. Many mathematicians think that numbers, sets, and other mathematical entities exist in this way. They’re not caused to exist by something else; they just exist by the necessity of their own nature. By contrast, contingent things are caused to exist by something else. They exist because something else has produced them. Familiar physical objects like people, planets, and galaxies belong in this category. So what reason might be offered for thinking that premise 1 is true? Well, when you reflect on it, premise 1 has a sort of self-evidence about it. Imagine that you’re hiking through the woods one day and you come across a translucent ball lying on the forest floor. You would naturally wonder how it came to be there. If one of your hiking partners said to you, “It just exists inexplicably. Don’t worry about it!”, you’d either think that he was crazy or figure that he just wanted you to keep moving. No one would take seriously the suggestion that the ball existed there with literally no explanation. Now suppose you increase the size of the ball in this story so that it’s the size of a car. That wouldn’t do anything to satisfy or remove the demand for an explanation. Suppose it were the size of a house. Same problem. Suppose it were the size of a continent or a planet. Same problem. Suppose it were the size of the entire universe. Same problem. Merely increasing the size of the ball does nothing to affect the need of an explanation. Premise 1 is the premise that the atheist typically rejects. Sometimes atheists will respond to premise 1 by saying that it is true of everything in the universe but not of the universe itself. But this response commits what has been aptly called “_the taxicab fallacy_.” For as the nineteenth century atheist philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer quipped, "premise 1 can’t be dismissed like a hack once you’ve arrived at your desired destination!" It would be arbitrary for the atheist to claim that the universe is the exception to the rule. The illustration of the ball in the woods showed that merely increasing the size of the object to be explained, even until it becomes the universe itself, does nothing to remove the need for some explanation of its existence. Notice, too, how unscientific this atheist response is. For modern cosmology is devoted to the search for an explanation of the universe’s existence. The atheist attitude would cripple science. Some atheists have tried to justify making the universe an exception to premise 1 by saying that it’s impossible for the universe to have an explanation of its existence. For the explanation of the universe would have to be some prior state of affairs in which the universe did not yet exist. But that would be nothingness, and nothingness cannot be the explanation of anything. So the universe must just exist inexplicably. This line of reasoning is obviously fallacious. For it assumes that the universe is all there is, so that if there were no universe there would be nothing. In other words, the objection assumes that atheism is true! The atheist is thus begging the question, arguing in a circle. I agree that the explanation of the universe must be a prior state of affairs in which the universe did not exist. But I contend that that state of affairs is God and His will, not nothingness. So it seems to me that premise 1 is more plausibly true than false, which is all we need for a good argument. What, then, about premise 2? Is it more plausibly true than false? What’s really awkward for the atheist at this point is that premise 2 is logically equivalent to the typical atheist response to the contingency argument. Two statements are logically equivalent if it is impossible for one to be true and the other one false. They stand or fall together. So what does the atheist almost always say in response to the argument from contingency? The atheist typically asserts the following: A. _If atheism is true, the universe has no explanation of its existence_ This is precisely what the atheist says in response to premise 1. The universe just exists inexplicably. But this is logically equivalent to saying: B. _If the universe has an explanation of its existence, then atheism is not true_ So you can’t affirm (A) and deny (B). But (B) is virtually synonymous with premise 2! So by saying in response to premise 1 that, given atheism, the universe has no explanation, the atheist is implicitly admitting premise 2, that if the universe does have an explanation, then God exists. Besides that, premise 2 is very plausible in its own right. For think of what the universe is: all of space-time reality, including all matter and energy. It follows that if the universe has a cause of its existence, that cause must be a non-physical, immaterial being beyond space and time. Now there are only two sorts of thing that could fit that description: either an abstract object like a number or else an unembodied mind. But abstract objects can’t cause anything. That’s part of what it means to be abstract. The number 7, for example, can’t cause any effects. So the cause of the existence of the universe must be a transcendent Mind, which is what believers understand God to be. The argument thus proves the existence of a necessary, uncaused, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, personal Creator of the universe. This is truly mind-blowing! The atheist has one alternative open to him at this point. He can retrace his steps, withdraw his objection to premise 1, and say instead that, yes, the universe does have an explanation of its existence. But that explanation is: the universe exists by a necessity of its own nature. For the atheist, the universe could serve as a sort of God-substitute which exists necessarily. The reason atheists are not eager to embrace this alternative is clear. As we look about the universe, none of the things that make it up, whether stars, planets, galaxies, dust, radiation, or what have you, seems to exist necessarily. They could all fail to exist; indeed, at some point in the past, when the universe was very dense, none of them did exist. But, you might say, what about the matter out of which these things are made? Maybe the matter exists necessarily, and all these things are just different contingent configurations of matter. The problem with this suggestion is that, according to the standard model of subatomic physics, matter itself is composed of tiny particles called “quarks.” The universe is just the collection of all these quarks arranged in different ways. But now the question arises: couldn’t a different collection of quarks have existed instead of this one? Does each and every one of these quarks exist necessarily? Notice what the atheist cannot say at this point. He cannot say that the quarks are just configurations of matter which could have been different, even though the matter of which the quarks are composed exists necessarily. He can’t say this because quarks aren’t composed of anything! They just are the basic units of matter. So if a quark doesn’t exist, the matter doesn’t exist. Now it seems obvious that a different collection of quarks could have existed instead of the collection that does exist. But if that were the case, then a different universe would have existed. To see the point, think about your desk. Could your desk have been made of ice? Notice that I’m not asking if you could have had an ice desk in the place of your wooden desk that had the same size and structure. Rather I’m asking if your very desk, the one made of wood, if that desk could have been made of ice. The answer is obviously, no. The ice desk would be a different desk, not the same desk. Similarly, a universe made up of different quarks, even if identically arranged as in this universe, would be a different universe. It follows, then, that the universe does not exist by a necessity of its own nature. So atheists have not been so bold as to deny premise 2 and say that the universe exists necessarily. Premise 2 also seems to be plausibly true. But given the truth of the three premises the conclusion is logically inescapable: God is the explanation of the existence of the universe. Moreover, the argument implies that God is an uncaused, unembodied Mind who transcends the physical universe and even space and time themselves and who exists necessarily. What a great argument!

[@thedude0000]

@@youwillwin7107 _It follows that if the universe has a cause of its existence, that cause must be a non-physical, immaterial being beyond space and time._ This is where you attempt to smuggling in a god. You have zero knowledge of what was before our local universe. What IF it was a dying universe that WAS full of material and physical stuff? What if space & time DID EXIST in a different version. *You are assigning properties to this cause WITHOUT the ability to demonstrate them* _The argument thus proves the existence of a necessary, uncaused, timeless, spaceless, immaterial, personal Creator of the universe_ Here you go again assigning (i.e. asserting) properties WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Notice how you simply state "personal" without providing a shred of evidence for this property. again.........you are asserting all these things and *ACTING AS IF THEY ARE TRUE* 🤨

[@timothydesrosiers558]

Xeno needs a remedial philosophy course. If he's actually interested in these topics he should do the work before waging war against educated minds.

[@davondh7]

P za

[@davondh7]

Zaza

[@cmack17]

Xeno needs many remedial courses.

[@Otravistafoto]

Sure. Xeno is informatic and he think there is higher possibility to have a pair number of gums in a jar. There is no hope for him as he either is mentaly wick or a liar.

[@bodricpriest8816]

I really really don't want to be the one that teaches that course, can you imagine getting this guy to actually listen and learn?

[@chris424cm]

It's funny to me how xeno always says "I understand." When he doesn't understand at all.

[@TheSnoeedog]

I love the call in to matt and shannon, where he keeps saying, "I know, I know" for example: "this isn't going to go any better if you suck up to me" "I know, I know" "I don't need a preamble, just the a-game" "I know, I know..." *IFYOUKNOWTHENWHYTHEFUCKDOIHAVETOTELLYOU!??!*

[@UngoogleableMan]

If I define Xenos car as a leprechaun, then his epistomology is flawed if he says leprechauns don't exist because he believes the car I defined as leprechaun exists.

[@archedigm]

Xeno had just been invited as an honorary member to the Dunning/Krueger club. Criteria: His telltale characteristic where his accusations are so clearly confessions of his own deficiencies.

[@acetrades1524]

The first rule of the Dunning-Kruger club; You don't know you are in the D-K club.

[@VictorValiant24]

@@acetrades1524 🏆 You win the internet 🤣

[@kzeriar25]

second rule in the Dunning-Kruger club - You don't even know what the Dunning-Kruger effect is. Look it up in the detail guys, you're spreading misinformation about the DK effect that became popular just to label someone that disagrees with oneself dumb.

[@Finckelstein]

@@kzeriar25 I agree with that their findings are being misrepresented. But that's just how culture and language work. We take terms and apply a meaning to them. In this case the scientific DKE is different from the colloquial DKE. Just like how "literally" has replaced "figuratively" almost completely. Calling someone an example of the DKE is basically just saying they're confident in their ignorance.

[@kzeriar25]

@@Finckelstein I agree with your approacha about language. I'll accept there's a different meaning for the colloquial DKE, but I don't like its usage. It's basically a smug ad hominem that you condescendingly refer to a study,and anyone can use for their own opinions: "oh youre confident? then youre wrong!"

[@TheSnoeedog]

this guy has a 1st year philosophy textbook opened to the index of terms, and he's just randomly spitting out words that look good to him. This is a parody of intelligence

[@timsanford5310]

Exactly

[@ninaschust3694]

Tremendously so 😂

[@danij5055]

4:40 He actually, literally pulled a "Checkmate, atheists" 😂

[@KarlBunker]

"You don't understand math. The probability of [an unknown number] being odd is insanely high." Wuhhhhh?????

[@kasocool2812]

That actually yelled "what the fuck does that mean" at that point

[@TheSnoeedog]

SPOILER ALERT: XENO IS GOING TO INSISTS THAT HE'S A MATH NERD EVEN THOUGH THE WORD *MATH* IS TOO BIG FOR HIM TO SPELL

[@timp7796]

what kinds of name is xeno lol

[@c.guydubois8270]

@@timp7796 a Greek philosopher...

[@lyndonbauer1703]

@@c.guydubois8270 The irony....

[@Heathen.Deity.]

A “maths nerd” who actually believes the chances of there being an odd number of gum balls in the jar is significantly greater than there being an even number. When he came out with that, I went from disliking him, to simply pitying him.

[@Zachorazor1]

Odds that are necessarily 50/50 don't exist for this guy. Odd numbers are, "insanely" less likely. 😄😄 Somebody get this man a coin to flip, STAT!

[@shanewilson7994]

@Xeno you aren't a math nerd, you aren't a programmer, you're the poster child of the Dunning Kruger effect.

[@crispyblack8779]

This guy called Matt narcissist? Holy shit!

[@MizterMissile]

lmao i think I read that narcs do that a lot actually! Hope he watches this at some point and sees the cringe he brought upon us all.

[@alittleofeverything4190]

A true narcissist is usually in denial that they are a narcissist and if anyone challenges them they think that the other person is a narcissist.

[@kzeriar25]

I agree with most of Matt's opinions and arguments, but I also think he's a narcisist, or at least extremely rude and competitive. Most of the times he provides a good argument but he interrupts the caller more than the caller interrupts him, and he raises his voice and swears way too often. Also this idea that if you call someone a narcisist means that you're a narcisist just doesn't follow. It seems like a poisoning the well fallacy, or at least creates a cascade effect that everyone becomes a narcisist in the conversation.

[@schloany4479]

@@kzeriar25 Being passionate and trying to nip idiocy at the bud is not narcissistic. He may be abrasive but just because he has a strong position that can be backed by logic and evidence and he isn't willing to budge to something irrational doesn't mean he has a personality disorder.

[@kzeriar25]

@@schloany4479 okay you're right. Narcissistic is not the right word. Still I think Matt is too disrespectful for my taste, but nothing wrong if you enjoy him.

[@TallSilentGuy]

I love the way JMike called out the fruitlessness of the discussion round about the 10:00 mark. "X is whatever entity caused the universe. I will arbitrarily call X "God". Therefore God is real. Defining God into existence is cool!" - Xeno.

[@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564]

"Everything has a beginning so my deity doesn't." That sound just fine, entirely bonkers, but just fine.

[@highwaydaytime7669]

Caller; ask inflammatory aggressive question Host; can I just clarify your aggressive question? Caller; why are you getting so aggressive and emotional we haven't even started talking? Yeah ok, this is going to go well.

[@thomascomptoniv6076]

As a programmer myself, I'm just lost at how anyone that can problem solve enough to code anything functional could also be so irrational...

[@nagranoth_]

Clearly he lied about that as well

[@nanaholic01]

He's not a programmer. He completely gave that away when he said that the probability of the jar having odd numbers is FAR greater than even. If he doesn't know that the probability of even/odd is exactly the same in that example, he doesn't even have enough brain power to write Hello World.

[@scotthoenle7693]

​@nanaholic01 even worse, if the probability was 99% odd and 1% even, saying you don't know is still correct.

[@CeezGeez]

i bet his code is horrendous lol

[@cmack17]

1 minute in and the caller is off the rails.

[@michaeldeaton]

"I was hitting the bowl in the bathroom dude and I started thinking..." Annnnd there we go. And then he just goes to a "look at the trees" argument to justify what he was thinking. Dumb.

[@j-rod166]

Smoking, or taking a dump? I'll say smoking!

[@TheMonk72]

@@j-rod166 either way that bowl probably has a better understanding of epistemology than poor Zero does.

[@brucebaker810]

If he was standing and whizzing...hitting the bowl. Then has his whoaaaa moment. (His whoament, if you will.) Still hitting the bowl? Even during his Epissany? Not asserting he didn't. Just asking questions.

[@patrickoconnor661]

This guy never stops talking

[@romankvapil9184]

Oh good. Xeno's back... And he hasn't changed a single bit.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

I’ve got it: xeno was “hitting the bowl in the bathroom” looked down at his tiny weener and thought “oh god, what caused this?”

[@charlesatty]

Actually he was getting rid of his brain matter

[@thomasowens5824]

Xeno; A true expert in circles.

[@djikopgot]

Man, these callers are so passive aggressive. Kudos to the hosts for not taking the bait and remaining calm.

[@conradlorgar5508]

He may as well say "I label the sun as god because it is the cause for life on earth and we could not exist without it, checkmate"

[@ioannescontramundum]

Yeah I’m a math nerd, and the probability of the number of gumballs being odd is insanely high. Like, it’s over 9000.

[@ChallengeYourBeliefs]

Math checks out. Am a Saiyan.

[@acspicer]

“Let me try a different perspective” - goes back to farting out nonsense they already tried and failed with 50 times with in the same fucking call.

[@johnsperry9494]

When a Theist becomes an Atheist, people ask, why did you lose your faith? When an Atheist becomes a Theist, I ask, why did you lose your reason?

[@solly119119]

Have to watch each segment of this week's TH now that I see my fav pairing of JMike and Kenneth are hosting again. The differences in their approach seem to mesh so well.

[@kylerobb8066]

"I was sitting on the crapper, smoking a bowl and then I became a theist." Riiiight. You became a theist in your drug induced delirium bruh.

[@OrenArieli]

♪He came in like a wrecking ball♫, in which he made a huge mess and left others to clean it up.

[@roybarrows9733]

Xeno got WAY more patience than he deserves.

[@andreasplosky8516]

Xeno does not know what epistemology is. This he has proven in other shows already. He clearly googled it halfway through the show, when he came up with a bookish definition..

[@JayMaverick]

Me: Xeno? Doesn't ring a bell. Xeno: I'm a programmer, did I mention I'm a programmer? Me: oh, HIM. 😂

[@TheSnoeedog]

How much does anyone want to bet that when Zero says, "I was just hitting the bowl in the bathroom, dude" what he means is, his aim is gradually improving.

[@Birdman31942]

I really would have loved to hear him try to explain why the chances of there being an odd number is significantly higher than an even number when given no other info aside from "hey look there's a gumball machine." If he actually is a programmer he's what we call "educated beyond your intelligence."

[@nagranoth_]

He's not a programmer, clearly.

[@myjizzureye]

Everything is created apart from the thing I say is not created because I am asserting it. Bulletproof logic my man.

[@aarononeal201]

Open and shut case Johnson.

[@mephistophelesthesilentchi3446]

The fact that you don't collect stamps tells me alot about your epistemology...

[@oxidize11]

kenneth was spot on when he said xeno wasn't ready for that. He sounds like another stoner who think he's unlocked the secrets of the universe, but he's just staring at a hot pocket.

[@AvaEFF]

I once got high, put a hot pocket in the microwave, stood in front of the microwave for two minutes, and the took the hot pocket out. I never turned the microwave on. I think about that every time someone tries to say they had a good idea while high.

[@oxidize11]

@@AvaEFF I gotta be honest, that's pretty hilarious

[@AvaEFF]

@@oxidize11 it was pretty funny at the time too 🤣

[@mrsprinkles1641]

Caller was so angry he didn't make sense.

[@airforcex9412]

I think the expression “smelling your own farts” is based on Xeno. And I’m pretty sure he was googling stuff as he was answering…🤣

[@canbest7668]

It is _so_ interesting that this caller calls _other_ people narcissists

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Ouch, another painful to listen to conversation. If one defines a god in such a matter that its existence doesn’t explain anything, predicts nothing, nor how it interacts with our physical world, it is irrelevant, IMHO.

[@DulceN]

I am so happy that Xeno stopped calling so we don’t have to be subjected to his nonsense and his superiority complex…

[@R.H160]

I don't believe for a second this is a legit call.

[@AceHogarth]

Yeah, nobody can be that stupid. Xeno: hold my beer.

[@arndnaj]

Xeno is a legit elohssa. Spelled it backwards to avoid s'ebutuoy citoidi algorithm.

[@oxidize11]

you'd be surprised.

[@janerkenbrack3373]

Let me sum up the call. Stoned dude said, whoa! Whatever started this I'm going to call god. Now I've proved god.

[@brucebaker810]

Xeno: Atheist finds God. While on the toilet. JMike: Includes "p or not-p". No one but me: Stops to note the funny.

[@joebarnard4708]

Xeno bet his other 11th grade friends he could keep the conversation going in circles for 24 minutes. I guess he won doobie money from his friends.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I was outside a Van Halen concert in August, 1998 (during the Gary Cherone from Extreme phase) when a local cop came up to me and asked "Hey, any Doobage? Yeah.. I used to deal hash around here like 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago."

[@birdieerdie2349]

"They call em fingers, but they don't even fing." Smoking a bowl in the bathroom thoughts.

[@liveesunflower]

I’ve seen this guy several times! Give it up dude

[@hithere0kei]

This caller is incredible, just how in the hell is a random number more likely to be odd than even? In what universe does that make sense?

[@ednamsgiraffe]

The number of “programmers” or “software developers” or similar who seem to believe in a god because they seem themselves as the god of their own software is absurd. I would love to ask them if it might be a tool bias. When you have a hammer, every screw is a nail.

[@Hank254]

Xeno found god while sitting on the bowl... that tells me all I need to know about his god.

[@Orochi_001]

“I jumped out of it (atheism) because of programming” -A true statement if there ever was one

[@AceHogarth]

Xeno: I have decided to call the chair in front of me God, so, god exists. Checkmate, atheists.

[@alittleofeverything4190]

Caller: Look at your fingers. Host: You're assuming I have fingers. Checkmate.

[@mikelaw8682]

Xeno is a lego block in the middle of the hallway' on the floor, in the dark.

[@w0rmblood323]

This guy has a lot of nerve calling Matt a narcissist given the way he acted through the whole call

[@scorptrio8231]

"Drugs convinced me god is real." Argument from trippin' balls, dudes!

[@weirdwilliam8500]

“I used to be an atheist, but then I did drugs and started defining fundamental reality as god, so now I’m a theist.” Ok?

[@barryweatherley5046]

Dunning Kruger at its core!

[@fbxx9845]

Xeno's right arm is 12inches longer than the left from patting himself on the back so much.

[@dhwyll]

If the First Law is true and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then no, nothing had a "beginning."

[@nagranoth_]

You mean the first law of thermodynamics, and no that conclusion does not follow. Just because a law seems to apply _within_ our universe doesn't imply it even applies to a hypothetical external cause of that universe.

[@nm1915]

@@nagranoth_ much the same, just because cause and affect apply within the universe, it doesn’t follow they would apply outside of or before it.

[@kermitthorson9719]

i define reality as blue, now everything is blue, there is a blue window

[@tomcooper6108]

Xeno is high on his own gibberish.

[@NewtonDynamics-j2j]

Xenos smugness comes from the infinity and beyond

[@mattcriscuolo1541]

I’m an atheist, I enjoy this show, but when someone says “ right?” as a filler word after phrases, it’s like nails on a chalkboard to me.

[@amiralhijaz5850]

I'll play my lottery in odd numbers, thank you zeno

[@TonyCox1351]

“Everything has a beginning” “What’s God’s beginning?” “Whoops except that”

[@tosuchino6465]

It's really jmike who destoryed the conversation. Kenneth was trying to make the conversation going, but every time Kenneth set things ready for the next step, jmike jumped in and interruped the flow. What a baby! Jmike, if you are not interested in what is going to be discussed as you indicated at the beginning, just keep your mouth shut and let Kenneth do the job!!!

[@krisaaron5771]

Zeno is fired up and ready for a fight! Problem is that Zeno brought a squirt gun to a heavyweight title bout.

[@aparz617]

Nothing intelligent ever proceeded from someone starting a conversation with, “so I was sitting on the toilet hitting the bowl…”

[@steveymoon]

Holy crap, this was so frustrating. I wish you guys had dropped him ten minutes earlier.

[@R.H160]

I agree. This call should never have lasted more than 2 minutes. Dude is so obviously trolling. Jmike is brilliant but can't seem to tell when someone is yanking his chain.

[@wabbajack2]

​@R.H160 i think he kind of likes it because it allows his to easily show off his philosophical chops and destroy the kinds of bad arguments apologists disseminate among the less-educated

[@rickyhits6547]

JMike is way smarter than Xeno. Practically different species

[@andrewthompson9619]

20:20 Did he seriously just say atheism is analogous to pedophilia? And then dare to suggest the hosts don't know what they're talking about?

[@romankvapil9184]

Yup, Xenos is known to pull shit like this on every call. It's why he got banned on AXE because he kept on slandering Matt at the beginning of his calls because he was not allowed to have his way.

[@pugggs]

Xeno likes to hear himself talk. He doesn't even know the definitions of the words he is attempting to use. The problem with people who think they are so intelligent is that they usually aren't.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I've lost count of how many times I've implored someone to google a word before arguing further, and without fail they always refuse, telling me they don't need to as they already know what it means. They then go on to continue to demonstrate how they don't.

[@dongee1664]

We've all noticed that people who think themselves wonderful are arrogantly stupid, although I have learned the gumball 'odd' rule.

[@L1Games]

All they had to do was ask him if he was a Theist. If he said Yes, Ask him: "of which religion?" Then regardless of his answer, His God without intention or thought contradicts any biblical definition of God. (particularly an Abrahamic God.) If his answer is no. Then he's just made up his own god and his god is ineffectual and meaningless.

[@jns8393]

JMike had him on the ropes right from the get go and rightly so. At the gumball analogy Xeno really showed his muppetry.

[@nikolatesla5553]

"One day I was hittin the bowl in the bathroom, dude." And while I was stoned out of my gord, I was thinking everything has a beginning." A true scholar.

[@samcero]

Describing a god as timeless, spaceless, and omnipresent is the same as nothing.

[@redflag4781]

I think he quit in shame immediately after realising what an arse he'd made of himself over the gumball analogy

[@NormogGaming]

I lost brain cells trying to understand Xeno.

[@stevenboelke6661]

"I define god as whatever is responsible for the origin of the universe. The universe exists, therefore god exists. Checkmate athiests"

[@karlrschneider]

I define unicorns as whatever is responsible for shit in my yard. My yard exists, therefore unicorns exist. Checkmate dunderheads.

[@ToHoldNothing]

Does the "programmer" realize that creation can technically involve destruction? Fingers are formed in utero via apoptosis, cell death of those spaces between the fingers

[@TheSnoeedog]

Are you responsible for your eyes? ....no? Are you responsible for your cells? ....no? *REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM* *CHECKMATE AGAIN,, ATHEISTS!* ((if you haven't watch this clip yet, I'm not kidding!!) 🤫🤫🤫

[@ethantownsend458]

Kenneth Leonard looks like Ryan Tedder from one republic

[@fasillimerick7394]

I think I might be "responsible" for my eyes. The unique arrangement of molecules that made up my DNA at conception began a process that took basic chemistry and "created" my eyes from the available material in my mother's womb.

[@dj_menyo839]

so it all boils down to Argument from incredulity... but gahhh damn XENO has a gold metal in mental gymnastics. I remember Matt & Shannon putting him in his place by getting him to acknowledge that he is full of crap. LOL