House of the Dragon Season 2 Episode 4 Review

[@SuchTattedHands]

The Sunfyre and Aegon scene when they got reunited was the first time I actually felt like any of the dragons in either series had personality

[@Longshanks1690]

The way it just nudged him like any pet wanting to show affection was the cutest thing, reminds me of my dogs.

[@proudsaiyanprince2651]

Sunfyre is the only thing that actually loved Aegon. The little dab up was bitter sweet

[@tickledeggz]

I feel like Deamons dragon (Caraxes?) has a personality,, he always looks rdy for a fight, he was absolutely dying to incinerate those kingsguard. And its also impkied that Aemond was able to claim Vhagar bcause she was impressed by his bravery. 100% agree that Dany's dragons were basically horses in terms of personality though.

[@b1bbscraz3y]

funniest part of the episode was when Jace says to Rhaenyra "if you die, ALL IS LOST!" like a kid today in modern times

[@Bmega81]

Caraxes and cyrax have both shown personality. In fact have even demonstrated personality similar to their riders

[@dre5714]

Aegon is definitely a horrible person but that doesn’t mean you can’t feel bad for him most of his family hates him lol 😭 it’s Aegon and Sunfyre vs the world

[@Artosk]

If you discount the rape and child fighting pits from S1 He becomes a really interesting character that I actually quite like. What's worse is the bad stuff he did happened offscreen so we can't see that side of him. Honestly it feel so out of tune with the rest of the character I'm kind of just memory-holing that stuff

[@josephstalin5751]

I do indeed feel bad for him. He’s manipulated by everyone around him for their own benefits. All he wants to do is prove he’s worthy to be in king. His own mother can’t stand him and does nothing to comfort or guide him. Aegon has his issues yes but he has nobody to rely on truthfully.

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

Admit it, Aegon and Sunfyre went out with bluster and arrogance. I felt more bad for Meleys.

[@Ironcorgi2]

I mean I kind of get it from his families perspective. He never considered his role in his family. Where aemond considered his birth somewhat of a duty to train and do what is expected of him, aegon chose to drink and assault women because no one would stop him. It sort of was a vicious cycle, his family would underestimate him and instead of trying to prove them wrong he would just feed into his worst impulses

[@seto_kaiba_]

@@asimhussain8716 Technically that was Daemon. Plus Aegon's behavior seems (at least prior to being king) to be habitual and not a one off.

[@Longshanks1690]

The battle is obviously what dominates conversation but the rest of the episode was really good too. Daemon’s visions, Alys’ proper character introduction and the uncertain weirdness that comes from her, Aemond effortlessly showing superiority over Aegon with “their” language he barely speaks, Larys and Alicent, Alicent seeking the prophecy in old books, Aegon’s fidgeting in the council, the backlash to Rhaenyra from her council over last week, Rhaenys realising who Allyn’s father is, Lorent Darklyn learning his father was dead, Sunfyre being so happy to see Aegon and Aegon showing genuine happiness to see him, all of it is just SO good. There’s not a single bad scene in this episode and while E2 of this series had better scenes, this is up there with S1E 7 and 8 as the absolute peak of this show’s content. I couldn’t be happier with it.

[@timocruz510]

Completely agree. I think this is my fav episode so far

[@nichobee]

Alicent is quite terrible. Forces Aegon onto the throne, and then tells Aegon he's useless and shouldn't partake in running the Kingdom 😂

[@blissinchains]

Did you seriously think the Hightowers actually thought he'd be a good fit? No. Hightowers are exterminating House Targaryen from within; and through the long game and exterminating their dragons first, eventually they succeed.

[@nichobee]

@@blissinchains she's acted terribly no matter what the intentions are. It's her own son

[@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.]

​@@nichobee She's literally being the best possible mother she could be. If you're a crap king, shut up and let the not crap advisors run your realm. Of course he's useless, he's a complete moron. She wants him to stay alive and remain King. The best way he can keep the Conqueror's Crown is to let other's wear it for him, be it Alicent or Otto or someone else who is competent.

[@bengale9977]

Yeah she gives him really good advice. He's a young king who is in way over head. He shouldn't think he knows how to do anything. He should ask for good advice. ​@@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.

[@thewatcher2538]

we did indeed ate very well. i really like that they are bringing milly back. i miss her and emily. justice for elmo

[@unc54]

Really sucks we don't have Elmo and likely don't have Kermit but I understand why the show didn't push it further than Oscar and Grover.

[@user-ln7jw2qn6h]

Maul trying the same move he used to kill Qui Gon on Obi Wan and failing.

[@MicaelCalmet84]

I also thought of that fight

[@thedragondemands5186]

beat me to that

[@williamdore6593]

Would second with Anakin trying the same move he used on Dooku against Obi-Wan only to be immediately shut down.

[@scotthollars1555]

I just hate how she had to have known that that wasnt even to kill Vahgar and then stops looking RIGHT WHERE SHE WOULD HAVE HID! I mean why tf did she go back after killing the king! Meylis is much faster than vaghar!

[@drpuma_2901]

Star Wars is so cool

[@Longshanks1690]

I cannot remember the last time I was so entranced by a battle scene, my eyes were glued to the screen the entire time. The actual on the ground setpiece was so well set up, the combat between dragons was as brutal as it was visceral and the devastation of what a battle between dragons looks like was properly expressed with the charred survivors, the ash and the breathless coughing from Criston. It knew exactly how to keep you enthralled by what you were seeing by the scale and brutality of what they were able to accomplish. It’s probably the best battle scene in this universe since Watchers on the Wall, and arguably even gives Blackwater a run for its money. You really have to nitpick to find problems with it I think, it is as flawlessly executed a battle scene as you can find.

[@NeeNee_B.]

LITERALLY my only nitpick is that she had a chance to get away, then went back instead of smartly going home to rest and fight another day. One issue out of a whole episode is pretty good to me lol

[@Longshanks1690]

@@NeeNee_B.I think there are definitely reasons you can rationalise for her, but I don’t think the show did a good job of explaining them to us.

[@trev9168]

@@NeeNee_B.her queen gave her an order to protect the castle. She did her duty by staying. Now killing the king (in their eyes) would probably warrant abandoning the mission but that castle was still important and they couldn’t lose it. She had to stay

[@zehsackett6132]

​@@NeeNee_B. Dragons don't disengage. She already ran once in the dragon pit and then refused to help Daemon kill Vhaegar. She's not gonna run again. Especially considering if they take Vhaegar out the war is over.

[@TH3DUDE0075]

@@NeeNee_B. remember she has been worried about what this war would do to the realm, to the innocents, and to house Targaryen for many episodes. She assumes Aegon is dead and she knows if she can take out Aemond then the war will be over before it begins - and she could do it with a clear conscience unlike the dragon pit. She was selfless and brave - she swallowed her fear and went back to do what must be done for the good of the realm. Unfortunately she lost, but the GOAT will finish off that one-eyed, deviant pig rider.

[@sdpearshaped831]

Daemon: “It’s over Aemond. I have the high ground.” Aemond: “You underestimate my sneak attacks.” Daemon: “Don’t try it.”

[@halocat4077]

I like Aegon's characterization- he's done some terrible things, but there's also genuine sensitivity and vulnerable parts in him too. (They make it clear how little attention his dad paid to him, as well as Alicent's parenting being pretty cold.) When he said "Oh, thank the gods" upon seeing Aemond arriving, only for his brother to burn him and he falls to the ground, I felt pity for him. Such a great, intense scene. ALSO: Daemon gets burnt by a fire arrow in S1 (we later see burns on his body to confirm it). They may be heat-resistant, but they aren't fireproof.

[@Nina-uy1eo]

I dont wanna be reminded of GOT over and over again while watching HOTD. Especially that dagger. Turns out the prince that was promised is Arya.

[@notgonnalie1846]

Shouldn't watch a GOT prequel then 🙄

[@snakeslife-uroborodjinn790]

@@notgonnalie1846 This isn't a GoT prequel. It's an ASOIAF prequel. An adaptation of Fire and Blood. GoT itself is literally an entirely different show after season 6 (arguably after season 4 or 5 even). I don't know about you but was an asoiaf fan first and a GoT fan second when I decided to watch HotD. So no, we don't want to be reminded about GoT's objectively horrible finale.

[@notgonnalie1846]

@@snakeslife-uroborodjinn790 Oh look, Mr Smartypants entered the chat! For sure it's a prequel of GoT. HotD is the second tv series from the asoiaf franchise, the story takes place in the same universe, _before_ the events of the first show. So by literal definition it is a prequel. But sure, you can redefine words all day long, if it makes you happy, Idgaf. Might indeed actually help you to cope with the horrible memories you must endure.. 🙄 And yes, since the shows are connected, you will obviously see stuff which reminds you of this fact, even though it makes you mad, sad and cry about it 😆. Complaining about this is beyond ridiculous, though and if you seriously expected otherwise, then you're a fool.

[@timocruz510]

@@notgonnalie1846 He's not wrong first book was written in '96. And imo they are overdoing it a bit, especially considering how bad that ending was off-book. Well they learned their lesson and canned the Jon Snow show and the COTF show for this one. I wonder why that is.

[@nebuloushammer8773]

The books will probably be so different when they eventually come out, that HBO would be crazy not to do another ASOIAF after they eventually do a Robert's rebellion series.

[@salemsaleh9577]

Great episode but I hate that they used the sneaky Vhaegar attack again.

[@701delbronx8]

Why?

[@vizalloteafilter]

@@701delbronx8 because vhagar is the biggest fucking dragon alive at this time and stealth should not be the first thing you think about when it comes to her battle strategy.

[@701delbronx8]

@@vizalloteafilter is it really stealth? He simply emerged from the clouds to kill Luke and was doing a dipping maneuver in this episode

[@scotthollars1555]

I just hate how she had to have known that that wasnt even to kill Vahgar and then stops looking RIGHT WHERE SHE WOULD HAVE HID! I mean why tf did she go back after killing the king! Meylis is much faster than vaghar!

[@unc54]

It's definitely weird because the show goes out of its way to convey Vhagar's size but then has Vhagar attack like she's at a size disadvantage rather than the Godzilla that she is.

[@connors9597]

The dagger prophecy shit has been annoying af tbh. The Targaryens aren’t even the ones who defeat the White Walkers. It’s Arya Stark doing a mega jump out of nowhere and then a stupid knife trick. Knowing where it all ends just ruins it completely

[@robbypodobinski824]

Jon and Dany definitely saved the realm. Without them every1 would be dead. They brought everyone together, so it still works. But yes, Arya killing NK was dumb as hell

[@zehsackett6132]

Quit complaining. For all you know it was in the prophesy just not mentioned by the maesters

[@MrCamelBeans]

Yeah I know.. I just don't consider anything after season 4 canon anymore, it kind of saves it for me.

[@robervalhaha]

The prophecy shouldn't even been mentioned anymore, it was just a dream since NOTHING Aegon dreamed was necessary to defeat the White Walkers, there was no Targaryen sitting the Iron Throne, the realm was not united and there was no need for a "Prince that was promised". The real saviors of Westeros were the Faceless men that trained Arya, if it wasn't for her everyone would die at Winterfell.

[@eds1942]

Yeah. The Night King just wanted Bran,.. for reasons. And Arya just needed to get the dagger from Bran. Add in Melisandre, and there was no reason for Jon’s alliance with Daenerys, nor Jon’s resurrection.

[@bennty]

I’m guessing the “trying the same move again” reference is Darth Maul in Rebels

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

YA! thank you

[@empiricalpurity]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview I thought you were referring to Crassus from the TV show Spartacus. Lol.

[@pachabeche]

In spartacus, crassus uses the same attack multiple times to defeat enemies, but at the final battle spartacus turns the attack on him.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

i was thinking about that while writing this

[@helenrose5383]

Rhaenys putting on her dragon seatbelt was a nice touch.

[@wynonasbigbrowndragon6121]

I loved the look on Aegon's face after Aemond talked circles around him in High Valyrian. You could tell he was re-evaluating every bad decision he made prior to that moment. Tomm Glynn-Carney has been amazing this season. Kind of a bummer that we're done with him for a bit

[@wynonasbigbrowndragon6121]

@@AegonTheUnlikely I just meant that we're gonna be done with that level of character complexity for a bit. Right now he's pretty much gonna be communicating with a series of blinks when we see him at all, which means he probably won't be getting much screen time

[@berserk4souls]

The battle didn’t go exactly as I thought but it’s hard to be that upset when they showed Aegon and Sunfyre together and it’s plain as day to see they have a more affectionate and closer bond than any other dragon and their rider.

[@AmyCat71]

Spot on about Alicent just being "there to be there"

[@jdsthird]

To be fair all these characters are there to be there. The dragons are the main draw and feature. In the end they are all gone.

[@keatonisballin]

This was my favorite episode of the show. The buildup throughout leading up to the dragon battle was so well done. All the attention to detail, like the hot dragon blood burning the soldiers. There was so many great moments. I had the same gripe with Aemond trying the same sneak attack, but I think youre right that it will fail the next time. Also, what battle has Maelys and Rhaenys ever been in? Beyond that, 10/10 episode.

[@timocruz510]

Don't think any tbh and Meleys' first rider was Alyssa and not sure she ever went into battle either

[@Thomas-zl2hb]

I rewatched Chernobyl mini series last week and spotted Clubfoot the nuclear physicist

[@m.q.7149]

Really love that HOTD lets you see the riders bond with their dragons. You got that a bit in GOT but not to this extent which was a shame. Not really a fan of the writers turning Vhagar into John Cena.

[@po2879]

I read that magicians in the Pharaonic era used to play a lot of games with fire. They invented an oily substance with frog extracts that could help them prevent burns at all. I would have loved for them to have invented it in the series

[@ComradeSauron]

In my opinion the reason why Rhaenys doesn't get burnt is simply that Aegon panicked and ordered Sunfyre to open fire to early it also seems from the clip that Sunfyre fires into the wind, Rhaenys has the sea at her back and therefore probably also the wind, again this just shows that her experience weighed so much heavier in her favor even against Vhagar. I also agree that she turns back in the hopes of killing Vhagar before she becomes a threat to her granddaughters, she also just saw just how far Aemond is willing to go to achieve victory and hoped to stop him here and now.

[@stelmaria-mx]

It's always these little changes that make the show slightly worse than it could be. Making Aegon a pathetic little man (TGC said they tried to make him look ugly in season 2, and then the quote from this episode) feels wrong, considering the good work Tom is doing while they try and undermine his character. Also Sunfyre is CRUCIAL to the Dance, a parallel to Syrax and literally being the face of the Green banner, and the fact we didn't get a second of him and his relationship with Aegon before today is something of a travesty considering their states going forward. Yes, I know that they get moments later on, but we had a minute of them at their 'best', Aegon drunkenly swanning into a dragon fight like an idiot, bwfore they were mangled by Aemond.

[@berserk4souls]

TGC is carrying Team Green on his back. His character aside from Otto is the only one that jumps off the screen and feels real.

[@stelmaria-mx]

@@berserk4souls Cole and Alicent seem like caricatures (though seeing him be a general was a great change) and Aemond is a literal anime villain.

[@pee8607]

He’s the punching bag of the show for sure, writers hate him, every character hates him, the general audience hates him.

[@extraplain2412]

Your comment reeks of hater. Aegons a great character and if you see him as only a "pathetic little man" that's on you. It's sad that everyone expects every character to be one note. It's more interesting that Aegon is portrayed as complex as they have which includes how pathetic he can come across.

[@zehsackett6132]

They're not changes at all. The book was written by a maester 100+ years after the fact.

[@feralVis]

The goosebumps that absolutely covered my body hearing the dragons screeching in pain as they claw each other's bellies

[@vizalloteafilter]

TGC our best guy out there fighting the writers' vendetta against Aegon. Love TGC.

[@kennykaraffa8675]

The night king was fire proof. Remember he got dracarys’d head on and then just basically laughed at them in the long night

[@notgonnalie1846]

I assume that was due to his cold demeanor

[@rogaineablar5608]

I agree the sneak attack is dumb... no way a dragon that big wouldn't be noticed.

[@HannahAngel123]

Rhaenys died thinking her son was dead. RIP The Queen That Never Was.

[@jiimmyyy]

06:05 - You're talking about the TV show Spartacus. Crassus fights his trainer at the beginning of the season. The trainer attempts to stab Crassus with his sword, but Crassus grabs the blade with his hands, pulls the sword out of the trainer's hands, and then stabs the trainer. He tries to do this to Spartacus later on in the season, but Spartacus defends it.

[@ultrak0w]

Your reviews are getting better by the episode Carmine, cheers !

[@thelazypigeon7513]

Not sure if you've ever seen it, (no spoilers) but a character in the final season of Spartacus keeps doing the same move over and over, just for a character to use it against them. Love the video by the way !

[@jenparianos]

Every aspect of this episode was NEEDED and wanted. It was the dragons relationships with their riders. It was the cocky men on the ground, Cole and Gwaine… realising this war is going to be so much bloodier and “dirty” than they could ever have imagined. It was the subplots like Rheanys recognising her husbands Bastard sons and wanting them to be honored despite their birth. It was seeing Alicent just brutally telling her son Aegon his worth is nothing despite ascending him to the throne. It was everything and more .

[@Nenernener123]

7:32 it’s more concerning how Aegon survives if the valerian steel was actually melted into his skin.

[@TH3DUDE0075]

I’m pretty sure only the chest piece was Valyrian steel - in the books it’s melted to his extremities if I remember correctly

[@rjrod1987]

Spartacus, marcus crassus tried a move that worked in the first episode in the last season only for it to get reversed in the last.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

i was legit thinking of that. Crasus was being trained by that slave the entire time and fights him for real, offering him to go free if defeated. Dude doesn't defeat Crasus but get a statue in his honor.

[@m.q.7149]

The inside the episode for last week and this week seem to imply that the humiliation that Aemond experienced at the brothel is what finally pushes him over the edge against his brother. I don't think that makes it ok to kill your king but it was clear in that small council meeting that Aemond was embarassing the fuck out of him and was still furious.

[@belisarius7880]

Totally agree, I forsee the aemond deploying the same suprise attack from below giving that other future opponent the gravity/leverage/angle to pull off their move in that future fight. (And I get the parallel to obiwan vs maul re-using the move he used vs quigon jin, but in another liam neeson role we see it happen again in Rob Roy, check it out).

[@TH3DUDE0075]

I loved that Aemond let Aegon get his ass kicked on purpose, then torched him on purpose, and then was possibly intending to finish him off by sword. It makes so much sense and yet it was something that just could not have been in Fire & Blood because of the perspective of the sources (only Aemond really knows). This is the absolute best kind of addition to the source material.

[@YourLastGreatkNight]

Has everyone forgotten that Lena and Daemon would have these “fire dances” in Pentos in season one and one of them would always fly through the flames. Also in the books it is said a Dragon’s fire grows hotter with age.

[@devorahacts]

I think the Valerian Steel Armor is good to protect from magic and White Walkers but not dragonfire. The treated leather-covered armor may have been more fireproof. I wish we'd had more time with Aegon and Sunfyre. They had lots of charisma together. It didn't make sense to me to send Rhaenys alone knowing the chances of Vhagar being there. I don't think it would have taken more than one death for me to take that possibility seriously.

[@NickelAntonius]

Rhaenys could withstand the fire because Sunfyre was flying into the wind. You can see the fire blowing back on him and Aegon. Also, you have to be right up close for dragonfire to do real damage, because it dissipates very quickly. We saw in Season 1, Laena was using Vhagar to make fireballs and fly through them, even shooting a few at Daemon and Caraxes as a joke.

[@shawnn5639]

In the show Spartacus, Marcus Crassus trains a move where with his hands he grabs the opponents sword at the blade, disarms with a turn and spin and stabs. Fails against Spartacus, big build up too.

[@nononono3421]

They dropped the foot fetish because they got backlash for making the guy with a food handicap a foot pervert. The writers were all proud pf themselves for making the show more inclusive, then they made the handicapped guy a secret pervert, that wasn’t going to fly. In fact the show is trying to avoid bringing up his handicap, since he’s clearly a villain, because that also goes against virtue-signalling. They wrote themselves in a corner with Larys.

[@niganicsez]

Believable.

[@pbear538]

In The Man with The Golden Gun, Scaramanga sets up the Bond dummy for training trials but gets cocky during the final fight and doesn’t realize he was tricked and Bond has now switched out the dummy for himself. Then he is caught off guard.

[@mhampton8358]

This is the Best episode so far

[@timocruz510]

Best since S5E10 GOT imo

[@mhampton8358]

@@timocruz510 🤣🤣🤣

[@deuceyd8468]

Aegons becoming one of my favorite characters, hope we get to see more of him all burned and not sidelined until some "big reveal" later on.

[@viggstable305]

Carmine, literally the only Asoiaf weekly recap youtubers i still watch. You and Preston have S tier knowledge so thank you

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

appreciate the compliment

[@viggstable305]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview of course

[@nixielee]

Early D&D did let us spend time with all of the council members though, so we could get a feel for who they were. With the exception of Larys, who just got in, we have nothing on these people and that's bad.

[@Longshanks1690]

Outside the main families, there was only Varys, LF and Pycelle on the show council. It was a much smaller group of characters to deal with whereas HOTD has a fairly large group in either council who could get characterisation at the expense of everyone else in an already limited timeframe. They do what they’re supposed to and they’re believable enough in it.

[@unc54]

​@@Longshanks1690 Yeah my only gripe is Tyland should have more to do because he's a bigger character in the overall scheme of things.

[@Wallace43266]

​@@Longshanks1690I have to say I'm disappointed they neither included the obvious Tyland splitting the gold between various locations to demonstrate his commitment, the blood oath, or really anything about Ironrod. They've neglected quite simple additions that make the Green Council noteworthy. Aegon making Larys master of whispers seemed a bit forced, because they needed to make up for the fact they forgot Viserys named Larys earlier. Even after all the episodes, the only thing that can be said for sure is that Tyland was obsessed about the stepstones.

[@rogergagnon3617]

The fire thing is simple! The Queen Who Never Was made her Dexterity Save and the Evasion effect of her Mounted Combat Feat kicked in. Easy peasy!

[@fayedunaway8]

The people who are complaining about the changes to the battle don't understand how much more sense it makes that Aegon is alive from this battle. In the books when Meleys and Sunfyre were entangled and Vhagar falls on them. That should have killed both Sunfyre and Aegon. At the very least it should have killed Aegon. But this sequence is so much better where Sunfyre falls from the dragon fire and you can see in that moment when he is falling he tries his damnest hard to not crush Aegon. The way he cradled him around was so beautiful then in the books where Aegon actually fell from the sky and landed on himself. This seemed more logical than the plot armour George RR Martin gave Aegon from the books and it also gives such meaningful power to Sunfyre's bond with Aegon.

[@MiddleEarthGirl75]

Well they did it. They made me feel something for the dragons. My heart actually broke when Melys was bit and you could feel the bond between her and Rhaenys and....I don't know. It was a ball of emotions for me. I still could cry remembering it. I wish Eve had been given more screen time. She acted the hell out of Rhaenys. Question for @RedTeamReview or Preston. When Aemond and Aegon were speaking in Valerian, would the Maester have understood? Do Maesters know the language?

[@exactemphasis]

I wish they had kept Blood and Cheese a bit more mysterious, then the fandom could be arguing whether they were sent by Daemon or Aemond

[@JohnSilverHawkins]

I think Larys is less interested in Alicent's feet because she no longer has any real power. The attraction to him was about humiliating and controlling one of the most powerful people in the realm. Her loss of influence and power has probably devalued her to just another piece on his board rather than his trophy.

[@niganicsez]

This is a great observation..

[@kandices]

I have been crying randomly over the dragons since last night lmfaooo. My bf was like “babe they’re not real”. I KNOW. BUT SUNFYRE WAS A BABY AND DESERVED BETTER 😭😭😭 And that final look with maelys & rhaenys? Heart broken. 1000/10 episode tho. Just devastated lol

[@aegorrivers6700]

Targaryens definitely aren't fireproof, not all of them at least. Because let's remember what SPOLERS SPOLERS at the end for one of the main characters

[@AlexGordonMusic]

Love your work carmine. You’re a good dude. Winter is coming

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

thanks but that last part sounds so ominous haha

[@AlexGordonMusic]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview George said it in his video greeting to Burlington Bar…. That Chicago bar that reacts to GoT and HOTD episodes People are taking it as a signal that Winds is done No, I don’t plan on starking you

[@Jonjzi]

Another dimension of the Muppet-names-joke (I assume) is the fact that it is pretty jarring when you come across real people who actually have those names in history. Most people would probably think "Saint Elmo's Fire" was a joke, or the title of some sorta satirical sketch comedy bit, until they eventually look it up.

[@berserk____1878]

Vhagar's big ol ass being able to sneak around Rhaenys was ridiculous tbh.

[@traviscue2099]

I think its quiet clear that she wasn't burned, just look at her clothing. Then look at Sunfyre. The fire was just simply missing them.. We also see the men on the ground, their armor and clothes are burnt haha if she was fireproof, we would of seen her clothes burnt off.

[@ganondorf66]

When Alicent said it was only weeks ago that Viserys was still alive I had to pause for a second, but yeah that's true right?

[@22s22a]

That big ass dragon not sneak attacking anything 😅

[@syl3317]

This episode was an masterpiece...i rewatched it like 5 times..the music is incredible

[@lillybullen5374]

It seems that there is 'some' immunity to fire in certain circumstances. Dragon fire in particular. Dragons produce fire. But how? Is it combination of their biology and magic? I don't have the answer, but it was interesting to note in this episode that when an injured dragon 'bleeds', it seems to scald. If the 'blood' of a dragon is flammable, and it bleeds on itself- or another - then perhaps this 'fluid' can then be ignited. R.I.P. Meleys and Rhaenys.

[@Pomshka]

I genuinely felt for the Dragons in this episode. I was literally screaming during the fight. I just couldn't. 😢 And when Meleys turned to Rhaenes and "spoke" to her before they turned back. 😢😢😢😢

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

Crassus tried the same move he killed his "teacher" with on Spartacus but he easily countered it.

[@vizalloteafilter]

if the Sunfyre & Aegon duo has a million fans, then I am one of them. If the Sunfyre & Aegon duo has ten fans, then I am one of them. If the Sunfyre & Aegon duo has only one fan then that is me. If the Sunfyre & Aegon duo has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against the Sunfyre & Aegon duo , then I am against the world.

[@leftofyou]

Ok hear me out, that far up in the air, it colder and the air is thinner. It doesn't have to have anything to do with dragon genes. What happened to Rhaenys in sky was the dragon version of walking on coals, you could get hurt, but only if hold still.

[@CA-bw9vw]

My problem with Aegon was never that he's incompetent, OF COURSE HE IS nobody trained him to be king ffs. It's very difficult to forgive someone who not only rped women, but also left his kids to endure destitute lives and fight for people's entertainment.

[@bilosdiogee410]

I love how so many fans explain so much crazy crap as “oh yes that’s just magic”

[@EduardoGrassoTV]

I get why they are doing the prince that promised reminiscence. It is to give some justification to the war, otherwise it is just crazy people with dragons

[@Nenernener123]

The need to film the night scenes in the day & use the same style as Jordan Peele for Nope!

[@dannyrod1980]

Aemond was in hiding twice with the dragon. Waiting in the forest unseen. Seems to be a tactic that was repeated later, just waiting

[@salemalqarzy5325]

They didn't give Rhaenys and the dragons more screentime, I mean sunfyre and meleys should've given more screentime during the first three episodes. Instead, they drawned us with Daemon's stupid dreams. RIP my queens😞

[@Bodharas]

I do love me some solid dialogue, but I think I like this episode slightly more than 2. Get pumped. Dragons are finally dancing.

[@Gazkhuul]

Yeah... Except Meleys and Rhaenys have never ridden to war..

[@Joe-ss9cr]

I always love it when fellow book readers act like that is not a story but a fact compared to this version. This series has its own tweaks. It's just as legit of a story. Don't act like a child.

[@Gazkhuul]

@@Joe-ss9cr in the same episode we talk about 80 years of peace we then talk about having to go back to war. It logically doesn’t make sense and it doesn’t add up historically. Rhaenys never went to war. That matters to the story.

[@alphasword5541]

She is literally in the Stepstones episode

[@Gazkhuul]

@@alphasword5541 lol no she is not. Not only did she not fight in the Stepstones, shes not even in that episode entirely. You're talking about Laenor and Seasmoke.

[@alphasword5541]

@@Gazkhuul They're both there, rewatch it

[@BatFlash52]

So Aemond is f*cked when Aegon wakes up, he tried to kill his brother/king and got Sunfyre hurt Aegon will be out for blood. But can Aegon kill Aemond? The Green Cause does not exist without Vhagar, she’s basically unstoppable so therefore Aemond is irreplaceable and the most important piece on the Green’s side of the Board. Could Aegon banish Aemond? Forbid him from returning to the Crownlands and just tell him to do stuff, or would Aemond rebel himself, creating a Third Faction: The Sapphires?

[@NeeNee_B.]

Not the Sapphires! 😂 good one

[@extraplain2412]

Four words: milk of the poppy

[@bosssho]

Were you referring to Euron Greyjoy using the Scorpions up until Drogon?

[@gingercatqueen4368]

I want to see Caraxes wrap around Vhagar like a snake! 😂🤣

[@jonny-b4954]

I got the impression the fire wasn't right on her. Didn't touch her. But it obviously would have still been hot hot hot where she was. They may be fire or at least heat resistant, a little, but not fire-proof or immune. Danny is another story. The show obviously shows her as fire-proof. Dragons shoot fire through her, she burn down the Dothraki temple.

[@GTgaming69]

Banger episode. Best in years

[@Miss_KittyFantastico]

A character trying the same move and it backfires : I know you're not thinking that but I thought of Harry Potter with Expeliarmus

[@TheNicoliyah]

I’m thinking Serenity when the guy try’s the move to paralyse the Nathan Fillions character and it doesn’t work on him

[@micaiah_of_rhoyne3472]

Cant wait to see Rhaenyra recruit the dragonseeds.

[@Siegbert85]

I didn't get the "experience" part when it comes to dragon fights. How are any of them experienced in that kind of warfare? They are the only ones who do have dragons and this is the first time there is a civil war within the targaryen family, right?

[@TallJai]

Yeah I loved the episode. I hate back to back sneak attack with a fat ass tank lmaoo

[@empiricalpurity]

Are you referring to Crassus from the TV show Spartacus?

[@xammit7579]

Thanks for the black goat in Harenhall. Haven’t catched the symbolic while watching

[@darkerrave]

i think Vhagar makes Aemond feel invincible. attacking his brother and weakening one of the only dragon riders on your team was not smart. He must think Vhagar can’t also be tag teamed? this loss can’t be good for the greens.

[@stephaniec9539]

Yeah, Toms' portrayal of Aegon is great. He makes me want to be more Team Green. (I am team Sunfyre)

[@cameronjadewallace]

People who think Targaryen's are fireproof think Summerhall was a joke, bet. They can burn, my dudes. Not fireproof, possibly heat resistant

[@jimmyjamsburner6944]

Great episode, Condal is crushing it this season

[@vizalloteafilter]

btw i think larys' actor spoke about the feet thing, and said it was not about the feet - it was about the humiliating aspect. which is actually creepy :)

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

ooooo link me that article

[@addisonmaly2081]

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood! Bruce Lee repeats a successful move against Cliff in a fight only for it to backfire on him.

[@BigBalvin]

Aemond and Cole planned on drawing out Rhaenyra or DAemon. But got Aegon instead. When he noticed Rhaenys and Melys turned around he looked surprised. Think he was letting his Auntie go.

[@BlackHand531]

Shout out to the MVP veigar! She is truly the baddest grandmother in the show! Destroying these hatchlings left and right. I love how every time aemond was trying to get her to move she was like an old hunting dog lazy to get up and slow to get going.😅

[@griffiththechad9483]

Ser Criston might’ve been my MVP this episode. That dude might be a trash Hand of the King but boy can he command an army.

[@emarti3853]

Love and feel bad for sunfyre, but i thought Gawayne showed well. Black eye after Duskendale and led the men into the breach at rook's rest

[@hcamp74]

You're thinking about Anakin with the little jump over Obi-Wan that gets him sliced in half, right?

[@thecomet6276]

Was that weirwood juice in Daemon’s cup? 😂 I cried during the dragon battle bc I knew what was coming.

[@eddiemix8007]

Darth maul! When he tried the same move on obi-wan as he did when he killed qui-gon Jin