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[@Orthane]

L4D and L4D2 are masterpieces though. They were games made back when making games was a passion project where you earned money on the side rather than a corporate money making scheme with passion on the side.

[@g76agi]

Least rose tinted glasses gamer

[@Vampyre.77]

Honestly I don’t remember left 4 dead being this expensive to buy .

[@Mr.BananaManYT]

Can't wait to see what gaming is like in 20 years...

[@--A3--]

@@Mr.BananaManYT You have to pay for the game, then pay to get past the main menu, then pay to play any of the characters, then pay to get the weapons, then pay for the next chapter of the game, then pay to get the final chapter, then pay to actually fight the final boss.

[@MrNuts70]

2 was just more of the same though..... Of course it was AMAZING!

[@k-disboher1105]

It's disappointing to see how game development has progressed from genuine passion to seeking most profitability it's very clear nowadays how sloppy game devs have become It's sad to see how rapidly the technology for gaming has advanced, but at the same rate most development companies have only gone down in quality of products; I can't imagine a single big release in the past few years that didn't have some kinda flaw that kept it from being a great game, many of which getting "fixed" retroactively instead of having that additional quality upon release

[@WhyYouNoKillMe]

Elden ring but other than that I agree can’t think of any and new releases of old games come out rushed/unfinished or try to capitalize on the nostalgia of their past games

[@MerhabaBenMert]

@@WhyYouNoKillMe all animations taken from previous souls game what you smoking pal

[@WhyYouNoKillMe]

@@MerhabaBenMert ? That’s one thing taken from the myriad of other improvements elden ring has made and the amount of effort the game has put in compared to any other recent release lol

[@Cat_Garfield]

fortnite

[@exysa2798]

L4D2 was made by experienced talented developers. Back 4 Blood was made by inexperienced amateurs. Thats why its so trash.!

[@Gurgio]

You know what's most amazing ? Valve made L4D from the ground up. They created the concept and perfected it straight away. Left 4 Blood devs had this blueprint how to make a team zombie game the whole time and they still fucked it up

[@DoctorUber]

You're kinda right, turtle rock made the concept for left 4 dead as a counter strike mod and valve contracted them to make it and helped perfect it, then valve made l4d2 in its entirety without turtle rock

[@zhenyucai8688]

It's just a different engine. L4D 1 and 2 had way more budget. I feel like back4blood just didn't have the engine or budget.

[@shrewd1337]

@@zhenyucai8688 you feeling that way won't change the fact that it was backed by a triple A studio with an engine that enables the release of tons of triple A games every year. Not to mention, they're under tencent now and you don't need millions of dollars to make even a mildly entertaining game with decent characters. It's insane how much they rode the "creators of l4d2" while having done almost nothing to create that game. The story writing, voice acting, character writing, engine tweaks, mechanics, everything else was done by the people at Valve not Turtle Rock

[@bit_ronic]

@@zhenyucai8688 l4d 1 and 2 were made in source b4b was made in unreal engine. i know unreal has this reputation of having really really mediocre games come out with that engine, but, come on, it's rival was a game released in 2009 that uses an engine made *in 2004.* i don't think they were handicapped with the engine, big man.

[@hasaznasa]

Sooo true

[@Vampyre.77]

I was 4 when the game released it was my first horror zombie game. Me and my dad would play it and my mom would get mad at him because I would get nightmares. We would play in our indoor patio that didn’t have any blinds at night making even more traumatizing ahahah. We would also play TF2 I would be his medic to his heavy or demoman lol I loved playing scout too. I will cherish those memories forever. Miss you dad

[@sannidhyabalkote9536]

:(

[@broimapuppet1758]

W dad

[@xerlapis]

w dad. rip to your dad :(

[@ghinkcy49]

w DAD

[@Seji69]

W family

[@7eewilsmi127]

I fell for the main selling point because I never looked farther than “made by the creators of l4d!” And just banked on nostalgia

[@TikisPlayhouse]

The beta made me realize almost instantly that it was a super mediocre game, put it down after an hour cuz it got boring. Found WWZ to just be better than B4B since it at least tries with its unique mechanics. Still not as good as l4d tho

[@vivious_]

i actually had a good time in the closed alpha for the game but idk why the beta was so agonizingly bad and clunky that i didnt play for more than 10 minutes

[@niks660097]

@@TikisPlayhouse don't worry the game is still shit, card system is broken, and games are just mindless grind, only reason i sometimes still play, cause of my friends who only play zombie games and this one..

[@jvckz]

same here, was hoping for the feel of l4d but got nothing like it

[@hydrawaters1085]

A lot of people were blinded by that, people were supposed to take it as its own game and its own spin, feel like thats why it gets majority of its hate because people were expecting something to L4D out of the water or something similar to it

[@CarboyXXX]

Dev: “Hey can we hire a stunt actor to get more realistic death animations?” Management: “you’re fired”

[@Rhyhmx]

Funny how high some of us has set the bar for gaming after we've experienced games similar to L4D2 at the time: "Imagine in 10 years we gonna have insane games with better graphics, physics. gameplay." And here we are 90% of all games released are absolute trash and the remaining 10% are still mostly a shadow of what game development was back at the time. Technology is there but the effort is nowhere to be found.

[@Andrew-xo6hl]

Gaming 10 years ago was considered very weird and for nerds. Games were made with passion and only those who had the passion for gaming would play them. Gaming these days has become mainstream and profit driven.

[@kaikart123]

@@Andrew-xo6hl in the other words, normies fucking it up again

[@mariozappini7784]

"and the remaining 10% are still mostly a shadow of what game development was back at the time. Technology is there but the effort is nowhere to be found." I'd say it depends on the game and franchise, cause while it's true that the majority has gone downhill there's still a lot of good games even today, you just need to lean more into the indie side of things which is how studios used to be back then, a small group of people making games for passion.

[@painted_crimson]

Hard disagree. Valve are a top tier developer. 10 years ago 90% of games were absolute dogshit compared to current standards. Some standout developers exist, just like today, but you are forgetting all the garbage that also came out. Sure there is still garbage today, but that garbage is usually far better then the garbage of 10 years ago. Not to mention we still have games like RDR2, Elden Ring, God of War, Breath of the Wild etc etc pushing boundaries.

[@crispylizard4348]

@@kaikart123 Fucking normies! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@djfabito8]

TF2, HL2, L4D2, GMOD, CS and basically all source games are just LEGENDARY, thats some big words, and not many games can say that. S++ tier

[@chickensofdeath490]

Hey do NOT forget Portal 2, arguably the best game out of all of them

[@djfabito8]

@@chickensofdeath490 yes yes is source engine too

[@mr._2994]

Don't forget the Titanfall series (including Apex Legends), it used a modified version of source!

[@OcarinaOfVali]

@@mr._2994 damn i did not know that at all. Might that be the reason why it's so movement heavy?

[@djfabito8]

@@mr._2994 didnt know bout that yes

[@mirael1248]

Miss the days when I was genuinely afraid of zombies l4d and l4d2, Because the music and the sound design were definitely terrifying to hear since it was too realistic for me as a kid. Not to mention it was one of the entities that introduced me to gaming along with Half-Life 1 & 2.

[@Lobito-shi]

Bro, same. L4d 1 & 2 scared the absolute shit out of me when i was a kid. Hunters especially.

[@petertran8384]

now kids these days have games with fortnite graphics and tik tok humor

[@gronizherz3603]

L4D was terrifying and atmospheric, whereas L4D2 was obviously a scary scenario, but more packed with action and the "kicking zombie ass" aspect of zombie horror. It's kind of like the difference between oldschool horror movies and newer/remake ones, both are great but older is more horror and newer is more action. I still have vivid memories of getting nightmares as a teen from playing too much L4D, having a normal dream about normal stuff until a tank rounds a corner :D

[@mirael1248]

@@gronizherz3603 Yep, I vividly forgot that l4d1 has more eerie, creepy and souless atmosphere, Plus it reminds me how advanced valve was at that time. They release a sequel in just 1 year, And if someone is wondering why it rarely gets updated because it was structurally perfect and if you feel frustrated you can check mod maps made by the community, It didn't need to be updated frequently like GTA V.

[@bagofsoup8199]

For real put it on expert and you’ll actually fear for your life when you hear the tank music

[@nicholite697]

I played back4blood, and the only reason I re played it was to unlock the progression. I played L4D and L4D2 over and over because it was genuine fun.

[@bruhxy07]

@N7 fr, like i want to know wtf happen to l4d2 crew after the parish, and that cold stream, idk wtf that campaign was supposed to be, a continuation?

[@paperclip6377]

​​@@bruhxy07 cold stream is not canon though.

[@bruhxy07]

@@paperclip6377 ye, I figured that out

[@ultralink17]

The moment Chet Faliszek said near the end "And it'll be quality" just broke my heart because very few game developers are even remotely allowed to care about that stuff nowadays. You mostly see it in some indie games because they're their own boss, they don't have to answer to none but themselves so they are able to work on everything for as long as they want to make sure it's working. But pretty much every Triple A game company now has a board of directors who don't even know shit about the games they're in charge of and just want the revenue, so they make their developers rush games to get that quick buck, forcing them to not give the project any passion or extra care to ensure it's good enough.

[@gabrielehu3157]

Luckily this didn't apply for rdr2

[@ultralink17]

@@gabrielehu3157 fr. It's just disappointing how few actually great games come out every year from the companies who can actually afford big budgets.

[@iAlexxGeek]

i agree, and hearing people say it's the fault of "lazy devs" is heart breaking too, because i'm sure a lot of these people are eager to do their best and are just not able to

[@whOmega_lol]

Hole heartedly agree, I don't know where the schism happened but games used to be about charm. Memes aside I know for a fact indie games and even early access games will always cater to the audience or demographic they're shooting for in there own stylistic way; Like Gloomwood, or We happy few or Cuphead hell even Cruelty Squad and Valheim. I wouldn't have tried so many gems had they been early access at the start. Indie games > AAA

[@K4H_974]

@@iAlexxGeek This right here says it all. It's like with the last of us 2 as well. I'm sure some of the people who worked on the first game wanted things to go differently in the second, but it's ultimately the directors and executives that enforce their own ideas and gameplan on a team.

[@boomshocks]

Shareholders were the worst thing to happen to video games.

[@squogg]

I MEAN TRUE! just look at what happened to companies like roblox after shareholders and going public

[@Tecolote41]

They are the worst in general. Lobbyists too. Politicans. etc

[@Web720]

Agreed. Valve is fully private, so they can do what they want, compared to public/publicly-traded which have to abide by shareholders. What do shareholders want? More money, and how? By following trends. Hence why all this MP, hero-shooter, battle passes, loot box crap. It's not, can we make a profit? It's now, how can we maximize profit? And CEOs have to listen to their shareholders, since it's illegal to not to.

[@weakpatriot2844]

left 4 dead is honestly a classic. feels like no other zombie game can compete with it

[@gronizherz3603]

ironically the biggest impact of Back 4 Blood has basically been renewing people's interest in L4D, at least around its launch :D

[@lyrebird5982]

I mean pvz was a zombie game too

[@dondanana9573]

@@lyrebird5982 who

[@lyrebird5982]

@@dondanana9573 cares

[@OcarinaOfVali]

dying light but it's not horde zombies ofc

[@Spoondogg]

Valve made a genius move. Their games we're so polished and beloved, that anybody would want their game on Steam next to Valve titles. In the beginning, people we're upset they had to create a whole steam account just to play one Valve game. Now, we're upset if it isn't on Steam

[@redmairah]

Your story are like my experience growing up with Steam.

[@holyjack5215]

This video make me want more games from valve. Such a good time that was. Portal, TF, L4D and HF were legendarily games. It’s kinda good they haven’t went another studios route by making bs product with terrible quality. But makes me sad and nostalgic for all good days.

[@TikisPlayhouse]

Half life alyx was a fucking excellent game so they've still got it, just wish theyd make games more often

[@soriinnnn]

@@TikisPlayhouse which was the last non demo game valve has made?

[@vivious_]

@@soriinnnn half life alyx???? Pepega

[@profbonkars]

@@TikisPlayhouse Valve unfortunately is more interested in hardware and software development atm (Steam Deck and Steam) but they have a few titles in the works allegedly. When would we ever see them? Only GabeN knows.

[@nicetrichek]

the thing is, all their games are SO, SO SO SO replayable , for example TF2 that game is was made in 2007 and people still play it. I dont think valve really needs to rush their games, to make them replayable and awesome

[@swipefn1931]

This proves my point that it wasn't just games that used to be good back when we had no responsibilities or it's just the feeling nostalgia. No, It's literally because games used to be a lot more about quality over anything. Games could still be fun if devs actually cared about anything else than money.

[@elk3407]

They still make games like that though, and there was always lazy games made only for money. So no, nothing has changed

[@Web720]

@@elk3407 No. Things did change. Everything revolves around player-retention and maximizing profits anyway they can. Back then, you make a game and ship and hope it does well enough to make expansions. Now? Make a game and put content later with seasons and battle passes and patch issues later, ship ship ship now.

[@elk3407]

@@Web720 OK, maybe. But you need fucking context with that. Back in the day they would pump out hundreds of games made as cheaply as possible hoping to sucker people in with cool box art or brand deals despite getting 2, maybe 15 hours TOPS of recycled cheap mass produced content. We called it shovelware, and it was everywhere. Now they condense it all into a few games with microtransactions. Same shit, different wrapper

[@FriendlyGoblinWasTaken]

@@elk3407 Something has changed, people now notice lazy games more than before.

[@FriendlyGoblinWasTaken]

@@elk3407 that and big companies have started destroying potentially good games by giving unrealistic deadlines

[@aulosrazr_7285]

I like the end part where Valve ratioed the Turtle Rock in terms of game devs who worked on L4D on the credits.

[@hsterts]

Yet the games became so much worse, and that the original makers would get hate for having their names plastered on shit ass games

[@niks660097]

this shit should be considered illegal, marketing as l4d devs but not even 5% of original team, wtf!?

[@hunlepto2239]

@@niks660097 Remember, they gave off the original game idea and presented it to Valve, so they pretty much have the rights to it. The fact Valve to this day still did and does better than them proves though that they're literal clowns and would have done better to stay under Valve, developing the game.

[@tomorrowisyesterday3215]

@@hunlepto2239 turtle rock bring the idea. While valve the one cook

[@Jukehere]

Finally a proper reaction, the first one was short because he had to watch Jubilee 💀

[@4oho361]

this was a shit reaction he didnt watch the video

[@sledgedragon2677]

The reason Valve makes such amazing games every single time is because they have the mindset of; "The fans are the reason we exist" Because they understand this, they spend more time catering to the expectations of fans and making sure that their products have time, effort, and passion pumped into them. Those are the three ingredients to a good game. Even a small indie dev team can do this. It's mostly just sad that all the big AAA companies have degraded so much because they know their IP's legacy will make them money. That's especially true for COD and Halo. It's just about money these days. I wish it were different, but that's not how capitalism works. I mostly just look forward to releases from small game devs these days. At least those devs aren't in it for money.. yet. Here's some games I'm waiting for: ARK 2 Silksong Hytale Sons of The Forest These are all 2023 except for Hytale, which I anticipate the most. They're sort of pulling a Valve and spending as much time as possible to make a game that will meet and even exceed all expectations, which is what I like about small teams like Hypixel Studios. They focus on time, passion, and effort to make a game with the highest quality possible.

[@lonewanderer798]

Make it most instead of every time. Remember, Artifact was a mistake.

[@Crystal-dl9ks]

@@lonewanderer798 well they clapped back with half life alyx which is a great experince

[@mahchestro9144]

@@Crystal-dl9ks Huh? It's a VR game. Don't even try to compare it to any of their actual games. And their last release was fucken Artifact. Alyx was fine but you people give them waaaay too much credit.

[@Angel-wc1jf]

@@mahchestro9144 is a vr game not an actual game?

[@mahchestro9144]

@@Angel-wc1jf VR games will always be inferior due to being inaccessible to most. So yes... It's not an actual game. More of an experience really.

[@reallyniceguy1103]

"xQc reads chat for 40 mins while a video is playing in the background"

[@2Busy9Around]

His chat spent a good minute arguing how hard mocapping zombies would be, but like bro, the decade old game did it.

[@GamingWithHybrid]

L4D remains&will always remain the best zombie game.

[@kaikart123]

lol I played L4D since 2008 and L4D2 since 2009, so I keep playing it for 13 years and never once in my life I feel bored of it. Truly a wonderful game.

[@straightpimpin19]

Ong bro same, I play it now on PC use to on Xbox 360. Never get bored.

[@FudGnut]

Left 4 Dead 2 is my favorite game of all time, I still play it daily with my friends.

[@cammyabc123]

same, l4d lunchtime with the lads. Great game that actually encourages co-op instead of selfish play

[@kaikart123]

Same, still play this after work every single day

[@jonahpelingon1815]

why chat so edgy these days ngl, its good to see xqc opening up a good discussion about animation and donos w actual decent replies

[@Znarffi]

Good discussion = talking about things and not knowing how difficult something really is and how much it costs money, time and resources. Only if everything would be as easy as X thinks it is, there would not be any problems in the world and everything would be perfect.

[@JDisclmd]

@@Znarffi exactly. Game development back in the day was so much easier than nowadays people don’t realize how difficult it actually is.

[@HoneyDog]

@@JDisclmd I dunno man. I think game design was definitely harder in 2009, back when gaming technology was less advanced. I mean, when L4D game out, it was only 8 years after Halo CE. Just think about how much more is possible 20 years later- hell, look at Unity 5.

[@JDisclmd]

@@HoneyDog uhm u realize the more advanced the more complicated it gets right? When I started game development after about 1 month I could about make my own super Mario bros game. Games in 2009 were a lot less work, cost a lot less money, alot less complicated to make. People always think that with more advanced things it gets easier automatically. Just look at graphics 2009 - 2022 Look at the development time for games Yes some advanced technology makes game development easier, but the rapid cost, graphics etc etc far outweighs any of that.

[@JDisclmd]

@@HoneyDog more is possible yes, and a lot more is asked for nowadays.

[@thebevilofbellskitchen]

The difference between games I get from this video are one feels like players fighting zombies on a a map with a floor to walk on and walls to navigate around while L4D2 feels like you’re in a world filled with zombies where everything you think should work, works It’s pretty sad to see games devolved

[@fodge5395]

That's a really good point actually. Left 4 Dead's levels felt like a real world you were immersed in, everything was connected and dynamic events made it believable. Back 4 Blood levels just feel artificial.

[@GoldSrc1198]

idk how the facial animations of HL2 and L4D still beat most games I seen

[@axeivy]

Pretty sure he has reacted to this before, video is still legendary nonetheless

[@tate4845]

He couldn't react to it fully since he didn't have any patience

[@Koookiez]

I thought the same thing

[@markovia110]

xqcADHD

[@ex5080]

Ran out of content so he thought he might aswell reroll

[@TheBloodyBros]

This is why Valve is an amazing company. They are already a rich company, especially back in the day. They put a lot of time into their projects until it is 100% complete rather cheap shortcuts. There is one thing diffrent about Valve. It is that they love making games.

[@rioluvo]

I loved seeing all the little details the devs created for left for dead 2 that was so interesting 🦔❄

[@axelsgf]

you can easily see the amount of love and fun making the L4D and L4D2 cast the team did an excellent job on making this game that ppl even now don’t get tired of playing it, there will be no game like L4D.

[@jaysharp5654]

I used to be so scared of playing left 4 dead probably because im playing alone, and to this day i still am kinda afraid of playing it alone, the atmosphere in left 4 dead is just sublime, i can 100% say no game ever came close to it

[@crohwz7403]

the l4d ragdolls are something different... i miss those days. especially the fun you had playing these games for months on end and now it just feels like im throwing my cash into a fire pit everytime i see these type of games

[@dotanon]

Even when it comes to less technologically impressive valve games like Dota 2, I don't think any company can approach their functional style. Their sound design for example is unparalleled. I can hear any ability, attack sound, or item noise with a blindfold on and tell you what's happening on screen. They aren't as flashy as other studios, but every game asset will be tailored to be immediately recognizeable.

[@jordanmayers7083]

As a dota player this is so true

[@xshock__]

I love this game, having achieved 3100 hours in the Steam version I can say I've never got tired of it. Just imagine this game having a fuckton of replayability on the base game, now, quadruple it with the absolute ton of mods the workshop has. It's just always different in one way or another. Another thing I don't understand is why people think the game's dead or something. Like sure, it doesn't have the playerbase CSGO or Apex Legends has but the game isn't dead at all. You don't even have to queue up or make a lobby to play, you just find a match and start playing. It has official servers, it has community servers, there's even community servers with a COMPETITIVE game mode called Zonemod or Confogl, which are used in tournaments or scrims and you will always find good, experienced players if you want a challenge. I would like people to play and stop thinking they're gonna be waiting 30 minutes for a match because there is people who still play it regularly

[@lancekingsman1419]

trash game

[@illuminose6494]

You love back 4 blood? Seek medical attention

[@xshock__]

@@illuminose6494 actual pepega

[@illuminose6494]

@@xshock__ bro this is not twitch you can speak normally

[@daddysempaichan]

@@illuminose6494 Who are you to judge someone's taste?

[@generictoast7678]

I remember watching the trailer for lfd2 before the game came out, at the time i felt it was too good to come true and it somehow exceeded my expectations

[@xd3athclawx554]

i think the main problem with games today is that it is not only profit driven and not entertainment driven but also that pumping games out year in year out is a terrible way to make games, also no crunch games tend to be made with more love and passion from the devs as they get their time to make the game the way they see it without huge time constraints

[@oskrcpd7513]

People saying its expensive, but companies back then with far less resources were making games more polished than now that they are multi million companies. It really shows when they tried to make fun games instead of a product to win money

[@kaikart123]

Indie games these days keep kicking AAA games in the ass it's so embarrassing.

[@al_alemania]

L4D and L4D2 are legendary man so many memories

[@HoneyDog]

Love how chat started making fun of one of the Dono's which was literally just repeating what they said at the beginning of the video. I love XQC but twitch chat has seriously devolved into absolute degeneracy. I never thought I would miss 2018-2019 chat, but Jesus, I didn't know it could get worse.

[@happyw5124]

Aware

[@gabrielehu3157]

I used to hate people complaining about twitch chat, now I can accept it

[@untag4066]

but le funny emote!

[@Masterofchodes]

"devolved", sure man, there was a time twitch chat wasn't garbage Copege

[@HoneyDog]

@@Masterofchodes it's always been garbage but it use to be kinda funny garbage. Now it just isn't funny, and is also garbage

[@Capza]

doesn't even watch the video 70% of the time, he kept seeing chat 💀

[@zhenthewei]

x said, "since you're on suit, just do it" bro, even just a simple 2D platform game, the animation controllers are insane, with all the transitions, its look like a cobweb. you'll be surprised how hard is it to perfect the animations in just a 2D game.

[@Lun4812]

just do it

[@sonofaplumber]

@IceMan Ratio RIPBOZO

[@coolwolf506]

@IceMan Has knowledge on something = nerd

[@coolwolf506]

@IceManIm insulting you though? I dont know how to respond...

[@coolwolf506]

@IceMan What

[@chikin6146]

I can't reiterate this enough that B4B was trying to set up or rather force an esport scene with their choice of adding that multiplayer. It's also possible that they didnt have the resources make a campaign versus multiplayer but it's also possible that they were afraid that it won't develop an esport scene if they added one due to the casual nature of the game mode

[@dondanana9573]

you tried

[@thunderwolf5037]

I grew up on left 4 dead 2 first M rated game my mom would let me play man the good old days with my 360

[@MetalDEmpire]

Its not about Dev Laziness, more so the executives finding all sorts of ways to cut costs, and often times its the devs themselves that are let go, so as time goes on, there are less devs working on ever bigger and bigger games. The one singular exceptions I can name is Cloud Imperium Games with Star Citizen. Those guys are the opposite; finding ways to extend development time, but at the detriment of the final game, and the performance of the game itself.

[@MrFunnyvids2000]

Fun fact: The voice actress for Glados in portal is the same voice actor for the witch in Left 4 Dead

[@thedungbui4832]

This guy knows how to recycle content

[@MrNuts70]

Crowbcat?

[@yes_and_so_what]

@@MrNuts70 x only reacted to this before but only a part

[@leotrace9158]

This guy knows how to comment on recycled content

[@AVGyerra22]

@@leotrace9158 This guy knows how to reply to a comment on recycled content

[@heftymagic4814]

This guy knows to make a perfect circle

[@Drawin-Circles]

So many game companies are evolving back in time.

[@vivious_]

is that a pun?

[@coolwolf506]

devolving?

[@KingYoshiSurfer]

22:58 He might have been too young to know why but back when L4D2 was announced, L4D1 hadn't even be out for more than a year, so quite a lot of people thought Valve were trying to rip people off.

[@Dante.-]

That AI idea would really only be feasible if it was done by a company that would now use the technology in all their games. *Sony would be a good candidate for something like that due to the fact the terrain technology made for horizon zero dawn was used later in death stranding to a amazing degree*

[@Johnsen290Games]

There is one that is close to what XQC said about the AI animation thingy, it's Euphoria, by NaturalMotions (look it up), it's barely used since it's very expensive and complex to implement, the code's a mess. Euphoria is used in modern Rockstar's games, you know those stellar animations and seamless ragdoll blending in GTA V/RDR 2? It's because of Euphoria, Games using Euphoria are barely not a thing, except games made by Rockstar.

[@ExolusionCS]

l4d2 > b4b Thats just how it is.

[@JampingVan]

True

[@Rivtecs]

maybe i was too young or maybe i, like alot of people didnt notice the tiny details that had countless hours spend thinking up, writing, coding, etc. But l4d 1&2 had so much soul poured into it, and (this line's been used alot but) "games these days" are just lacking in alot of quality and good gameplay, whether its due to greed or trying to save a buck, just makes games really boring. Developers like Puppet Combo and similar developers make horror games with "ps3 graphics" so they can focus less on glitches and special effects or trying to implement expensive animations or whatever and focus on making the gameplay and levels more in depth and an better experience. (along with them being small indie game developers where they arent some big company trying to shave off money for their budget) Also, it just pissed me off so much watching this when it came out and seeing how these 4 or 5 scumbags use l4d's name to promote their shitty knock-off game that is honestly, just a cashgrab, and back when Gaben when developing/promoting l4d2 said "one of the concerns that were raised is; what's different enough about l4d2 to justify it being a good enough sequel?" - "and doing anything we could to make sure our fans, who are the reason we exist, understood why l4d2 was a really positive evolution, rather than us just trying to come up with a way of stripping money out of a successful and popular game" which just goes to show how much we took for granted back then and how scummy developers nowadays are, they had a small part of the print in the credits of an amazing and massively popular game and wanted to cling to that title that gave them the tiniest bit of fame/wealth. (if it even did with how small a part they played)

[@windolite]

The thing about a good game is it’s seemless and that’s the point of not noticing the little details, you just enjoy them. And a game without details you actually start noticing how bad it actually is

[@cookieface80]

You didn't notice, but your brain did.

[@scorpion0498]

Actual Expert: "Well it's not that simple." X: ".... ok BUT WHAT IF.."

[@deebo444]

bro i was so obsessed with l4d when i was around 6 and used to lock myself in my brothers room so i could play it on his pc, and then l4d2 announced nearing my birthday and my brother knew it was the perfect birthday gift for me. i remember talking to people on voice comms and telling them i was 7 yrs old LOL. it's crazy now looking back at this cus im now almost 21 years old and shit, they better make an ACTUAL l4d3

[@kaikart123]

It's Valve they would never ever make a third installment

[@thebevilofbellskitchen]

I’ve heard them say that there isn’t anything else to improve on and that’s why they didn’t make a 3, but has the idea of a remastered version of 1 and 2 in one game ever been thrown around ??

[@TikisPlayhouse]

I mean there isnt much to remaster, aside from graphics which there are plenty of mods to make it look a lot nicer, MAYBE add more things to interact with, some little things in the backround maybe some more varied special infected sounds and models but really the core game cant be changed too much without dampening the quality

[@WasephWastar]

but they already nearly finisehd the 3rd L4D, they just didn't agree on what new Engine to port it to so so they canceled it around 2017. it was going to be in Morocco

[@thebevilofbellskitchen]

@@TikisPlayhouse yeah exactly a “remaster” not a remake updating the graphics to 2022 graphics would be great, sure it’d be great if they also added some new content but let’s not pretend we wouldn’t buy the game even if it was mechanically the exact same

[@thebevilofbellskitchen]

@@WasephWastar that’s seems so idiotic I’m gonna pretend you’re joking

[@merchant_of_kek5697]

It doesn’t make sense. They have source 2 and with that l4d3 files were already leaked from it

[@M2Asuka]

I'll never forget L4D1 was one of the first games I ordered after seeing my irl friends play with the intention to play with them, then after I received my pc copy from HMV they immediately stopped playing, I played with random public for many months and loved it, I modded a tiny bit (Yoshi tongue, little less conversation johnny bravo tank) and loved it. Nothing has come close to it. L4D2 was "better" but lost some heart (and 80% playerbase) could not relate to the characters, everyone hated rochell, EVERYONE loved Zoe. I will play it again when times are better, it's dangerous to relive the past, replaying Payday1 taught me that. >That chill when you first hear the tank music with nothing in sight, goddamn that's gaming.

[@o.s.1406]

B4B had the same attitude as Sunset Overdrive but had as much game passion as a mobile game.

[@sc0op15]

games these days are just for pure money making, they hire trend analysts instead of actual developers who have a passion for what they create. I mean ive bought a ps5 over a year ago and the only game i enjoyed on it was stray as the rest is mmo, fps, and the same ea game every year...

[@windolite]

L4d2 still a classic I play sometimes. Especially with modded campaigns

[@elpapisaint]

In the beta, the pratice range was more fun than the actual pve lol

[@nikolasoskic9006]

i mean valve makes games with passion, they make mistakes true but they own up to it like making artifect a free game, but still hl alyx proves my point

[@thewhistler6537]

Not having a perk deck was what made L4D leagues better than B4B. Once I played the beta, got annoyed with the card system. That was it for me. 😂 Sounds petty, but that move alone was enough to tell me what direction this game was going in.

[@TroubledTrooper]

I like how chat said "Back 4 Money"

[@narrowgauge0727]

the small details are why I love valve. they really care about the quality of the games that they release. even if it takes them a long time to make them.

[@xdress1746]

Bro, literally just the fact that instead of making an original game they're stuck in the mud trying to recreate l4d is a HUGE red flag for these devs.

[@Nikotheleepic]

People like that can't create anything of value so they leech off of things others have made like the vampires they are. They also use engines that do all the actual programming for them basically creating generic shallow garbage with no backend complexity with modularity

[@poonisher319]

video games becoming more popular lead to a steep decline in quality and i can't be convinced otherwise

[@void7837]

this is honestly depressing seeing how much care was put into those games back then and now most of it is making the biggest empty world with the best graphics possible

[@sanyokschannel9530]

I love how streamers don't really watch the video.

[@iamyourfather6941]

20:19 DIESOFCRINGE

[@paulj505]

It is, in my opinion, much less about lazy devs and more about greedy management, not wanting to spend more money on all those stuff, that made L4D great. And those are the majority in game market. That's why Valve and a tiny bit of other game studios, were the only ones that did it.

[@saggyflapjax]

Recently I’ve went back and played max payne 1-3 with a friend and we are having a blast but we noticed that the animation and destruction in max payne 3 from a decade ago still tops most games today

[@5punkt5]

Left 4 Dead and L4D2 came out in 08 respectively 09. Back 4 Blood came out in 2021... It just shows how much developers have stopped caring about quality. L4D2 holds up to this day, B4B barely held out untill 2022.

[@traplegend5065]

XQCs chat when someone says something even slightly pointing towards human intelligence: 🤓

[@rizaadon]

At least he watched the whole thing this time

[@LeoJay]

Valve at their best day are just insane

[@ShaunInce123]

X pretty much went on a Crowbcat marathon during this stream.

[@JonYugen]

Once a new fps game gets a release with source 2, it's probably going to be so fucking good. Aside from Alyx, not really something everyone has a chance to play.

[@fbi1307]

He reacted to this like 7 months ago but didn't finish the video

[@SeaNBlack]

all the justifications on Bad animations on new games are just BS after BS.

[@RecFL]

The good ole nostalgia bait and switch

[@KinkKush]

guys its not that difficult to grasp. valve budget vs struggling turtle rock budget, its like comparing a mansion built in 1992 to a condo built last year. "why does it have less bedrooms?? no outdoor pool??" no matter how old l4d2 gets the physics of the source games will probably never be topped by anybody besides valve themselves.

[@spiritw1se]

I would go back 10 years at that time and forget about all the shame of today's games

[@ahmxdkarar]

*1 shitty game releases today* WHAT HAPPENED TO GAMING WAA WAAA BabyRage *forgets BoTW, god of war, rdr2, fallout 4, hitman triology and other goated games*

[@alfoxie]

@@ahmxdkarar Fallout 4 is dogshit what are you on about

[@hunterkiller9991]

@@ahmxdkarar Fallout 4 was kinda shitty tho, should have left that one out.

[@ahmxdkarar]

@@hunterkiller9991 fallout 4 is literally peak Bethesda after skyrim

[@aitordoval3364]

@@ahmxdkarar fallout 4? just play new vegas (which is older and much better)

[@duggy92]

Left 4 Dead was the first coop game I ever played online. I still remember how I discovered the game it was how I discovered KZbin! I still remember watching the trailer in 2008, then heading in to town with my mum on release date to buy Left 4 Dead. I played the game for almost 8 months straight, it is still a game I hold dear to my heart and still play today, as much as left 4 dead 2. Currently I do play B4B it does have it’s okay style I do enjoy. But I do not get the excitement as I once did with L4D whenever I heard “let’s play L4D” I miss old gaming, it was way more exciting compared to some coop games these days.

[@Gman18]

Devs went to be passionated about their games and projects to be passionated about money

[@Kevinlre]

I feel like every 'BIG'"3A" games nowadays become more like fortnite. war shooting games doesn't feel like war. horror games doesn't scare people, color setting set to fortnite level, the game that made for fking children. When XQC asked what the Experimental Psychologist do for the game. I just realized those dev may need that person to make games. Because obviously they don't know what TF they are making and still able to scam people's money

[@jaretnegron6809]

Seems like the "experimental psychologist" job was changed to "monetization expert" 🤣

[@MossadAgentEpstein]

Its lame seeing people defend the lack of animations because they are "too hard" or "too expensive" etc. when they video in the background is literally showing how there are dozens of different animations for each scenario. On a game made 12 years ago. Stop defending shitty companies for putting out garbage with 0 passion and 0 soul. It's people who defend them that cause these developers to put out trash because they know people will buy it and wont criticize it.

[@b4ooks233]

All you need to know is valve made some damn good games with some kick ass developers and were the king of 2s

[@NaoUtao]

used to pirate the game back in my child hood and play it with my brothers via lan, time passes, really glad that all of us could bought it and play l4d on steam

[@s4turn677]

"Standing around, cough, vomit and fight among themselves, sit on the ground and lay down as part of their wondering behaviours" chat: average na city

[@Aizex1]

About the ai generated mocap, the closest thing we have is euphoria, and it's actually really good.

[@HGKEntertainment]

Both Left 4 dead 1 and 2 only cost MYR 26.75. Why does Back 4 Blood cost over MYR 205? Is it because of their small studio? Budget? Even one time when I check it was at MYR 340.

[@Memessssss]

So glad l4d2 was my childhood

[@TheRealPots]

I dont remember how old i was but it was around 5th or 6th grade when my buddy brought me over to his house and we played L4D on his PC. It was f**king awesome and one of the reasons i got into PC games. 😁🧟

[@filianofeyher]

Sometimes i feel like people who make rules in modern gaming industry were outcasts and complete losers back in 00'-10's. At least the guy who was interviewed about b4b gave me that feeling.

[@Rain1]

Interesting the only reacted to a little part of it 9 months ago. I'm glad he came back to finish it

[@mr.mr.5195]

So glad I had my doubts about back 4 blood and never bought it. Saved myself some money

[@redmairah]

Same, my dude. Same.

[@mattsopiratoso790]

This is precisely why I believe there will be no Left 4 Dead 3 even though I want it so much. They pretty much got most of the cool things a zombie apocalypse run and gun game can have. If they were to make another game, they would need to have to abuse something new, like how Half Life series releases evolves with gaming technology. It's like how people ask for Bully 2 from Rockstar, but there is little that they can add that will make Bully 2 be worth buying, most of the things from a school game was already well captured in Bully 1. If anything, their only choice is a remaster, and remastering a masterpiece is not easy.

[@ethaneggleton4724]

When chat was talking about the mocap they're like "its expensive". Brother EVERYTHING IS EXPENSIVE JUST MAKE THE DAMN GAME, YOU HAVE A BUDGET the only reason game devs don't make good shit anymore isn't because they cant, but because the bigger corps that baught them force them to release the game in beta form and they get shit on by their communities and punished and/or discontinued because the 70 year old fucking pharaoh big corp guy that owns them can't understand the simple fact that games not only need more time to be finished but that if you rush the development process you just end up with a buggy souless prodect made only to be a damn cashgrab. Game devs used to be pushed to make perfection which was stressful and hard, but now it's just a matter of how little they can do to pass the bar and grab a quick buck for the leaching companies. That's not what game devs want, but it's what's expected of them.

[@ethaneggleton4724]

Devs need to minimize the things they can't control, and maximize the things they can control.

[@PortGamer_YT]

When the devs run out of money and they’re like oh SH## we gotta get this game released to the public

[@nydeatha9220]

Yea seems like the idea mighta been there for the fans but was changed after one person disliked it they shoulea just kept working on it espically adding musics to deaths but eess what it eees