The 🐐 admires my strategy ❤! You legend. Tbf no stop can work as I did gain alot over my starting position and there was a couple of seconds more in it. Was great racing you again and great video as always!
@joshuaflavel49752 жыл бұрын
Onya tidge!❤
@cirithor2 жыл бұрын
0.002sec at 174mph is equivalent to a 15cm/6inches gap. Awesome races!
@bovalveyt2 жыл бұрын
I think that was his closest race finish ever😆
@carsmancool34802 жыл бұрын
@Sir Eebral shut
@babab_m2 жыл бұрын
yes and for the people that like to count with elephants, that's like a penis ahead
@zaimzulkifli2 жыл бұрын
Would’ve been great to see the picture showing the gap right at the finish line
@tedtheturbot2 жыл бұрын
mate it's not the size of the gap that matters, it's what you do with it.. ;)
@khele2k2 жыл бұрын
Super GT is so successful because he doesn't make mistakes that come from being overly aggressive. The start of this race was brilliant, he bump drafted the car in front of him until he realized the guy lost the tow and only then did he pass. So many times you watch him just drive without errors and he let's the cards in front make the mistakes until he's on the podium. You can learn a lot from the way he drives. This makes twice as much sense in lower levels because there's even more mistakes. Just focus on driving well not overtaking everyone where the gaps aren't there.
@dariusbaja212 жыл бұрын
Very true. It's not only skill , but great knowledge of Racing
@A.i.r_K2 жыл бұрын
@@dariusbaja21 20 years of karting does that to you lol
@donquias9032 жыл бұрын
He’s also really solid under pressure from behind was is very difficult to do
@88ights2 жыл бұрын
@Sir Eebral if don't like mircotransactions, then don't use them. Anyways....
@THENAMEISQUICKMAN2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I use the same mentality when I play fighting games like Tekken and King of Fighters lol. Don't make bold moves that might resujlt in mistakes, wait for your opponents to make the mistakes and then capitalize.
@brianbakare23912 жыл бұрын
God that first race was heartbreaking. i was actually on the edge of my seat
@protmreaper_xxx86952 жыл бұрын
@Sir Eebral I would not go as far to say that your not a GT fan if you play this game, but other wise i 100% agree with you.
@Alejandro-vp1op2 жыл бұрын
yep and Super GT being a nice guy admitting the mistake! that's why I follow this channel! kudos to SGT
@Sharpened_Spoon2 жыл бұрын
Bus stop seems like a race decider, can run flat out and break away or choke up to stop the slip. Very cool.
@TypeZero312 жыл бұрын
It was a race decider in real life too in the 24 hours of Daytona. Remember the 2 Porsches getting together on the final lap at the bus stop?! If you haven’t seen it, you should have a look lol
@CarloPlaya2 жыл бұрын
@@TypeZero31 if only the Ferrari could've closed up a bit faster we would've had an even more epic finale to the race. I had no finger nails left in the end 😆
@dungbeetle.2 жыл бұрын
The fuel and tyre strategy element of Gran Turismo is so well implemented. No complications involving pit lane entry and exit speeds means that you can fully concentrate on your racing and strategy. As far as I'm aware, this is unique to GT among racing sims and it's great that those strategic decisions make a real difference in the race results.
@leonmason772 жыл бұрын
I hate that it’s so simplified as I like to maximise my in lap and pit entry and this has won me as well as lost me races. GT7 is too simple in that regard which I understand why it will suit some, but I like having to hit the pit lane limiter upon entry and exit.
@leonmason772 жыл бұрын
I hate that it’s so simplified as I like to maximise my in lap and pit entry and this has won me as well as lost me races. GT7 is too simple in that regard which I understand why it will suit some, but I like having to hit the pit lane limiter upon entry and exit.
@johncarl55052 жыл бұрын
@Leon TheProfessional Same behavior with setups, GT fans hate anything realistic.
@Grooove_e2 жыл бұрын
Mate, I've been subbed and been watching for a very long time now. Seeing you level with the pros in this game brings a tear of joy to my eye. Get in there Steve 💪
@BOKtober2 жыл бұрын
It’s kind of insane how much depth there is in GT7 compared to the hopper system is FM7, hopefully FM8 will introduce all of the fuel/tyre and dynamic weather found in GT7 along with rankings etc
@hueanao2 жыл бұрын
Considering how long FM8 is taking to be announced, my hopes are high. Microsoft probably saw that GT7 would be great, so releasing a less than great Forza would kill the franchise.
@chadgrov2 жыл бұрын
Deep? Hopper? huh?
@CarloPlaya2 жыл бұрын
@@chadgrov he meant depth Hopper races are races you can hop in at any time, sort of similar to the quick match feature like sport mode races in Gran Turismo
@chadgrov2 жыл бұрын
@@CarloPlaya oh depth right ok, never heard hopper tho, makes sense tho thanks! I’m Canadian I don’t have those worse in my vocabulary lol
@henrik17432 жыл бұрын
GT7 always offline and then pushes updates to nerf money gained. Wow the game so realistic now you have to pay real money to buy cars as a casual
@MartinBradbury2 жыл бұрын
I’m so impressed by Super GTs progress since starting GT7. A formidable driver and fast becoming one of the best in the world 👍
@SSRT_JubyDuby87422 жыл бұрын
Stunning racing, very enjoyable. I was actually on Tidgney's stream that evening it was great fun and (I note that he has posted this) he actually made it work, what a guy!. Like deployed 👍 😎🎙🏎✅
@hkdxforsaken2 жыл бұрын
I remember watching this live and thinking " That's not enough fuel".
@martyfarrell94592 жыл бұрын
It was enough, if he would have held the bottom line and not opened up a gap and spun himself out. He may have ran out but would have at least taken 2nd with momentum. Turning left into Lopez was not the mistake, not riding the bottom line was.
@basedcase2 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing.
@so2fast4u22 жыл бұрын
Such a cool comment on the race and a wonderful couple races. All the respect mr SuperGT i remember the fun in GT5 and hope i get to race again in granturismo. life is hard
@Kevinschart2 жыл бұрын
7:52 you can see the brakes heating up...nice little touch
@joaohenriquemartins16662 жыл бұрын
Yeah its cool, but very old news. I think gran turismo 3 for playstation 2 already had it.
@andrasrudnai93862 жыл бұрын
yep, one of the small details that can add a lot to immersion. I liked that on GT Sport vids as well :-)
@loganboyd57492 жыл бұрын
Forza's had that since FM4
@joaohenriquemartins16662 жыл бұрын
@@loganboyd5749 Gran Turismo 3 for PS2 had it. Forza is way after that.
@jatnierdorta2 жыл бұрын
The original motorsports had it guys......
@Jarn3142 жыл бұрын
First time ever buying a GT game here. I also got a wheel so I could dive balls deep after watching your videos for a year! I just got my sportsmanship to S ranked. Love the game and love your videos man.
@tompeters48682 жыл бұрын
Does the wheel just completely change the game? I'm super casual but considering getting a set up.
@Jarn3142 жыл бұрын
@@tompeters4868 I haven't played this game without the wheel but I will say that if you wanna spend the money for that next step I would HIGHLY recommend. I'm addicted tbh
@bbbbbbb512 жыл бұрын
@@tompeters4868 the answer is yes, wheels completely change the feel of almost any racing game.
@donquias9032 жыл бұрын
When I went from a controller to a wheel it felt like a brand new game. So much more fun
@Kumayll2 жыл бұрын
If you’d DR level is low and SR is S I’d suggest lowering it as you’d get really skilled drivers and you wouldn’t be able to progress further through the ranks of DR, I used to the same thing when I started GT Sport but realized this through a forum posted online, just focus on finishing higher than the rank u qualified in as winning races will take some plenty and PLENTY if time and immense patience and dedication, I strayed from scratch so it took me almost half of the year in quarantine (played on and off) to start battling for the podium finishes and winning races, the good thing is you’re already watching the top drivers such as Super GT rn so you’d have a knowledge of racing, unfortunately I had to learn the hard way by trial and error
@BBStrung2 жыл бұрын
I know it's not standard strategy, but have you looked at doing some tuning to bring a non-meta car up in to the meta? Like, if you look at the 911 GT3 RSR it doesn't have enough power in stock config. BUT if you get a turbo upgrade on it (try both Med and high rpm maybe, see what you prefer?) and then power restrictor it back down to meet the requirements (542hp I think?) And then use a ballast to meet the weight req (push it 100% to the front to balance the weight of the car), it seems to be on par with some meta cars? You'll have to try it for yourself because I'm not nearly as high DR as you but it'd be an interesting one to try!
@zokrazy72312 жыл бұрын
howdy super! you should try out the Lemans Ford GT spec II on this race. it’s a bit different and interesting. Love your videos man.
@bernardoberner42 жыл бұрын
What do you mean super? His name is Alex Albon
@Gatitasecsii2 жыл бұрын
Man, that Coque Lopez is a speed DEMON! He's not just fast, but he's so consistent, he gains every single lap, it's insaaaaaane!!! Great racing Steve, I watched the stream and it was TONS of fun.
@DocKhan2 жыл бұрын
Hello SuperGT, viewer here. When are the kart races coming back? Absolutely love them.
@CarloPlaya2 жыл бұрын
There is something almost even cooler than kart races happening soon on this channel, just a bit more patience 😜
@mikedonovan90332 жыл бұрын
Remember he's in the UK. There is a very specific Karting season due to climate.
@Talguy212 жыл бұрын
Fitting that the car in the Hu Tao livery cuts it too close and dies a fiery death because of it. =P Nice races.
@michaeldavid15662 жыл бұрын
whose car was it?
@Talguy212 жыл бұрын
@@michaeldavid1566 Super GT's. xD
@christianherrera47292 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video, thanks so much! I am LOVING the pace of your uploads since GT7 came out!
@BryanTechCorner2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I knew what happened because I watched it live. Definitely learning a lot from you. Thanks for everything!
@FourFour2theFloor2 жыл бұрын
That's some high level driving under a lot of pressure. I would be all over the Barry r and grass. Lost it at "human centipede" lolz, keep up the good work
@jacobw.53402 жыл бұрын
Nice to watch a driver who's soooo patient. I have a much more aggressive driving style and too often I find myself hitting a wall, spinning, or taking corners too optimistically, braking far too late 😅
@TheMarvelous13102 жыл бұрын
I love how the reset between games has allowed the drivers who really learned from GT Sport to shine on the same level as the pros. Skills are on display, and Super GT is on the map!
@Amalia192 жыл бұрын
Super GT with Hu Tao livery is something i never thought i would see lol
@Element4ry2 жыл бұрын
But... How Hu Tao got there?! Nevertheless, nice to see her there :D
@jorgedr58352 жыл бұрын
I was thinking "hu tao must be also the name of some racing brand" and then saw her on the side of the car lmaoo
@Thehansello2 жыл бұрын
While it’s always great to see another Super Gt video, I really hope that all the youtube streamers are going to call out Polyphony on the aggressive push to microtransactions, particularly the unnecessary reduction in rewards for many of the single player races. If it’s not about microtransactions, then what is the point of it? What does it matter to them? The fan base is largely unhappy regarding past the past two days.
@oliveoil_yt2 жыл бұрын
He spoke on out about it on twitter
@N7RiZe2 жыл бұрын
Microtransactions aren't the problem. GT7 just simply has a lack of races after the menus are finished. As Kaz said in the latest game news: please focus on GT7 in the long term. They're forcing slow progression when there isn't an acceptable amount of single player content in the first place... Many cars in game aren't even available yet because of the rotation of the used car and legend dealers. These are the issues we need to focus on. We need more races/championships to do, not faster ways of earning money.
@Thehansello2 жыл бұрын
@@N7RiZe I get what you’re saying and agree, but I don’t want a faster way of earning credits, I just want the original amount before it was reduced in the patch. The fact they did this stinks. Lots of races had their prize money halved and all the while they and Sony are pushing microtransactions. It’s sickening and fans will quickly tire of being treated like mugs and move on to something else.
@chadgrov2 жыл бұрын
It’s beyond annoying but, if you’ve played GT in the past it’s ALWAYS been unbelievably grindy and borderline impossible to own every single car in the game. It’s never been an easy, quick game to pack your garage and trophy case outside of the class A campaign modes. But they definitely have gone a step too far in this game, I’d like to see them scale it back a bit.
@jonas34ptfernandes382 жыл бұрын
Main issue was people doing the same race for day, but saying this there are better ways ti handle this like buffing the other races instead of nerfs
@RaamiKala2 жыл бұрын
Watching that first race knowing what's coming but it's still epic!!!!
@pauljones70062 жыл бұрын
On the odd occasion when they did the big oval race on gt sport I would use the alfa 4c gt3 car,the race would be over 10/15 laps but cause the alfa was only 2litre it would fo further before a Pitstop and I cam so close to winning soo many times,its another thing you need to consider sometimes if its a real driving simulator
@AzureOnyxscore2 жыл бұрын
It's so strange seeing hu tao as part of the livery of his mazda. Threw me off track for a bit
@IRUKANJI2 жыл бұрын
Since Sport the RX Vision has an insane number of itasha skins and some of the best looking ones.
@Boogbama1232 жыл бұрын
Dude, i enjoy your videos immensely. Keep up the good work. Keep focusing the channel om the racing...
@sebrr2 жыл бұрын
so much respect for you realizing your mistake at the end of the first race. superspeedways are a different animal. you did great steve:)
@ckhound12 жыл бұрын
Love watching your content! As someone who is horrible at this game, but loves it, this is so fun to watch high level races like this.
@adroharv92132 жыл бұрын
one of the only channels I'm assuming that wont or simply can't mention the fiasco that is GT7 and it's offline dependency. Enjoy this game while you can folks. It is what it is of course and if it wasn't for the fact that I still like to play the GT series for many years past their launch date, I'd have purchased a PS4 for this
@THIS---GUY2 жыл бұрын
That's some dangerous driving man
@gcorrea25872 жыл бұрын
Great respect for keeping your cool after that unfortunate first loss. I wouldve lost my mind and cursed the guy out. Legend
@sportbikejesus Жыл бұрын
Are you sure he didn’t? The commentary is added after the emotions have died down
@zemontagne24082 жыл бұрын
Masterful as always with that first one. Had me doing kegel exercises with that final stretch! Too bad you didn't get sikth place with that GODLY maneuver. lmao
@noeljalbuena17662 жыл бұрын
Epic videos and racecraft! It's still getting even better. Love it!
@vishantrai80792 жыл бұрын
Amazing stuff as always. Love the races !
@franckvazquez9352 жыл бұрын
You put the layer "miHoyo" into your hood? thats great man. 16:50 exit the pit.
@dualface61042 жыл бұрын
YOOOoooo SGT! That second race‼️ .978 VS .980---are you kidding me!? I WAS HYPE! 😄😎🤘🏽
@MaxWeir2 жыл бұрын
Commentary is spot on for all your content 👍👍👍
@uncb96282 жыл бұрын
Superb. You know you can freeze the replay and "walk" around the photo finish.
@shaunmadison992 жыл бұрын
Love your channel man.. been watching for a long time
@JustanOlGuy2 жыл бұрын
I miss playing Gran Turismo. Thanks for sharing.
@roducliaharenvol83022 жыл бұрын
Took me a while to realize what livery SuperGT is using
@TwentyOneCar2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on 700K subscribers!
@TamedAnimals2 жыл бұрын
You got pit maneuvered m8, well done! Good race!
@VelhaGuardaTricolor2 жыл бұрын
If only Coque's bumper had one extra coat of paint he would have snatched 2nd place there. 22:00
@daveb4mv2 жыл бұрын
Devs really fucked this one, the always online and long maintenance periods is one thing but, the ridiculously low rewards you get for racing combined with the fact that you can buy in game currency really doesn't sit right with me. There's too many good games out there to spend all day grinding for credits in GT over the small amount of single player content that's in the game currently. I'll probably come back and check it out in the future if they make some changes but this really ain't it Polyphony.
@whiterottenrabbit2 жыл бұрын
Good thing that the remaining fuel notification is still right in the middle of the freaking screen **slow clap**
@Saad.D2 жыл бұрын
There is a rocket that you can see in daytona. Go to the daily race C qualifying time trial, once you pass the finish line it's taking off to your left. You can also see it in the first turn looking straight before you go around the tyre wall
@southernprideperformance29512 жыл бұрын
I was just down at the Daytona 200 with some of the riders I train… what I’ve come to learn about the road course. Never lead into the bus stop chicane 😂
@southernprideperformance29512 жыл бұрын
But heck, you held him off that second time only just!
@mfallen68942 жыл бұрын
Will you make a vid on PD's scummy practices? It would be a huge help to the rest of us if you could put them on blast for dropping payouts, making the game always online, the microtransactions, the lack of basic content (IB/IA/S races not being present even though the licenses for them are in-game) etc. If not maybe update the review so that people that have not yet purchased know what they're getting into?
@randomgamer1431232 жыл бұрын
pd?
@psykkomancz2 жыл бұрын
@@randomgamer143123 Polyphony Digital, the company producing Gran Turismo
@mason94832 жыл бұрын
@@DarrenExplorz he commented on Twitter discouraging their practices and saying he would never buy any of their micro transactions. I do doubt he is in their payroll
@vegaadrian492 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Let us come together as a community to share our thoughts and ideas to make this a better game for all of us rich and poor. We have enough weapons to choose to change the course of this decent game. Do not let the developers or greedy companies make the decision. We as consumers do not want micro transactions to ruin a successful relationship we have with this game. We can do this for not only our intention but for those customers who are coming to this franchise for the first time.
@mfallen68942 жыл бұрын
@@randomgamer143123 Polyphony Digital, the developer of Gran Turismo
@MAILMAN99362 жыл бұрын
Great effort for lzr tidgney! I was really hoping a no pit strategy would be viable, guess not
@some_random_rando2 жыл бұрын
That hu Tao livery is perfect
@PredictableFailing2 жыл бұрын
Tokisaki Kurumi would be better (different franchise, I know)
@alexhndr2 жыл бұрын
9:59 *I can already hear Hu Tao malding because she had to foot the bill for the car repairs* xD Edit: Good thing the realistic damage is turned off for Daily races. *Imagine if it is "on" 0_0*
@_IAmSakura_2 жыл бұрын
ah yes, put it on the Wangsheng Funeral Parlor's check.
@michaeldavid15662 жыл бұрын
i didn't know steve is a weeb
@vegaadrian492 жыл бұрын
Let's boycott micro transactions with your support we can make them change that feature. Also, if you are frustrated with the offline lack of progress write or tweet the developers about giving us an option to play the game and progress offline. You spend a lot of time and money 💵 you can can change the developers greed to and make this a more affordable and better game for you and your friends. Thank you for your time and choices.
@センナ-h4c2 жыл бұрын
God damn, that was intense, never thought that I'd like endurance races haha
@boecassidy2 жыл бұрын
Awesome race Steve!
@stephenhailes43372 жыл бұрын
Great racing as ever. Got any tuning tips for Daytona please? I'm struggling with oversteer on the approach to the first banked section and speed in general. Thank you. Steve
@KayJblue2 жыл бұрын
This was great to watch live.
@UmarHamza2 жыл бұрын
WOW that last final lap was epic
@lucasblanchard472 жыл бұрын
That TerminatorLUCAS guy is awesome! (It’s not me, but I really want to get GT7!) Also, I love that they have multiple fuel map settings that you can change on the fly!
@FilthyPeasantGaming2 жыл бұрын
Crazy finish
@fastone00092 жыл бұрын
Supergt with the anime girl livery, my man is truly leveling up.
@nelsonvelasco58222 жыл бұрын
Súper GT, try out the Ferrari 458 Italia Gr3 in Daytona. It rotates very good in corners and you can tune it to have exactly the correct HP. Is good on gas too. Lean mode you can drive 8 laps or 5 laps all out. Adjust braking towards the front to save rear tires. It is tail happy though do make sure you’re on the gas when you go though the bus stop. Braking is good too. You’re gonna need $550,000 credits though.
@viniciusalonso97842 жыл бұрын
0:10 Bro, Hu Tao in the side of Steve cars LOL
@nabeelmohammed92512 жыл бұрын
This has got to be one of my top 3 tracks for GT7 so far.
@kohl4life2 жыл бұрын
that was an amazing end . good race
@EpochIsEpic2 жыл бұрын
I’m liking the livery!
@bakedandsteaked2 жыл бұрын
A fuel efficient rotary.. That's a good one.
@harrybuhse86222 жыл бұрын
I thought in race applications they actually we're quite efficient. It's when you try to neuter them for a road car application it doesn't work out. Could be wrong though.
@callmeshaggy51662 жыл бұрын
The Daytona 3-lap race is twice as fast as the 1-lap route x race, but now pays equally 22,500 for a clean race. Use the tomahawk road car and you'll get 2 races easy in 5 mins, paying out the original 45k you used to get on the route x race in about the same amount of time. "Abuse" this now before poly takes that away too.
@griffin9552 жыл бұрын
Bumping the guy in front so you both are in the slipstream of the guy in front of him, is the 4d chess meta that driving video games are made for
@TreeFiddy-13372 жыл бұрын
PD decided to shat on everyone who bought this game... Why are so many AAA titles letting me down..
@Pedun422 жыл бұрын
18:38 In American English, "quite successfully" would mean completely successful, exactly as you used it. Americans use "quite" as an intensifier, though it's usage differs across the pound.
@anujpatel49652 жыл бұрын
I dig the hutao decal super gt!
@Mrfclook2 жыл бұрын
@super GT which view do you play in? It looks to be the roof view but not as out the gate as my one is when I use it
@Spotter-2 жыл бұрын
Love these Daytona races.
@ShotgunRocket2 жыл бұрын
I honestly did not expect Steve to be rocking the Itasha
@boombiddybyebye12 жыл бұрын
0:04 The guy in 20th in the huracan took almost 11 minutes to complete his qualifying lap lol
@NightWanderer314152 жыл бұрын
Barry R hosting those perpendicular meetings of his once more, you love to see it.
@tonikarppa2 жыл бұрын
Just bought the game and its pretty nice 👌 What cars you would recommend in gr4 and gr3 classes for the first cars? Credits are issue so I dont want to make mistakes by buying a bad one.
@dh47922 жыл бұрын
Super, will you please share your tune for this RX-Vision?
@KikuraKun2 жыл бұрын
Lol. Poor Hu Tao spinning out in the thumbnail.
@fireblade99732 жыл бұрын
Kie absolutely nailed the strat last night. 3 in a row. 7 lap first stint don’t take tyres.
@eliaswarg68182 жыл бұрын
Legendary content. As always!
@trowa1702 жыл бұрын
See the Itasha livery, love the anime community really thriving on the game haha.
@Max-oi9es2 жыл бұрын
These were some good races! I can't wait to get my Fanatec DD Pro delivered. I am so eager to join the action.
@mohammedfahim99182 жыл бұрын
Out of topic but please do make a video against the new mtx model.
@IRUKANJI2 жыл бұрын
The RX Vision has a lot of Character, great handling, kind of hit hard in the power department by the BOP, and is dangerously tail happy.
@specializedracer2 жыл бұрын
I can see the genshin livery there but that strategy is really good
@WireSniffer2 жыл бұрын
"and that is the end of Chavalier's racing career" 🤣 @8:27s
@miklos1822 жыл бұрын
great epic video! thanks Steve!
@NLGolgo131232 жыл бұрын
Would be great to have a tutorial vid on button mapping for the fórmula wheel and GT7
@Socool12372 жыл бұрын
These videos really make me wanna get this game… However I’m faced with a dilemma, will I be competitive on PS5 with a controller or should I wait to get a wheel setup for my PC? Will a controller be a debilitating ailment for multiplayer racing?
@dangerousdave1234512 жыл бұрын
Will you do a video regarding the last 48 hours of GT7? The more that people with real influence speak up, there will at the very least be fewer people who end up buying the game without their eyes being wide open to the reality of the game, in particular its economy and the enormous amount of either time of money which must be invested in order to meaningfully progress.
@ElsinoreRacer2 жыл бұрын
Surprised you still change tires. It seemed like such a winning strat. Esp if brake bias forward from the beginning. Something changed?
@DCohen062 жыл бұрын
'Barrier' - Love it!
@youuuuuuuuuuutube2 жыл бұрын
First race, the strategy backfired because you ended up in front of the fastest driver, coquelopez14. The best strategy would be to put just enough fuel not only to finish the race, but to also be just behind that driver, instead of in front. This involves a bit of Math but then it will pay off.
@trapdoorspider92112 жыл бұрын
@ super gt looking at how the Mazda ecelerates it would be just as quick short shifting alot further saving fuel. Its one thing i done with gt3 Astin and corvett ford gt note more torque tends to work well with these sort of motors Evan turbo but it has to have plenty of boost low down mid to high< starts to drop off boost