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[@MarianoPerez]

Honestly, for me the most important things are the 2 insert effects for each of the 16 parts and that those parts can be fully streamed via usb audio and midi simultaneously. That alone is fantastic for sound design and composing on the fly.

[@julianwilliamsTSW]

Listen that Mike Patrick is a beast!!!

[@KellBailey]

Yes he is !!

[@briann5001]

Mike Patrick does the exact same thing on the new nord if I'm being honest and actually sounded better on the nord pianos and Im not even a nord fan

[@ajotech]

Great video! Just got my M6 and it’s AMAZING! Love that AN-X engine. The three engines that Mike was referring to is the AWM2, FM-X and the AN-X.

[@itsmaistro]

Your gripe with companies having these jazz rock style musicians play just nothing but riffs on their instruments to showcase, is my same gripe with alpt of organ companies. This is why having gospel musicians is crucial because we know how to truly express the instrument at hand

[@KellBailey]

Thank you for that detailed explanation !!

[@tuneunleashed]

You have a point however…we’ve got to understand not everyone listens to our music. Sucks honestly.

[@itsmaistro]

@@tuneunleashed agreed

[@DrawAndErase]

Its a huge upgrade for the 88 key version. Poly aftertouch is a game changer for expression and the second screen is huge for FM and ANX, the synth enginges that can be used together. If you just want this board for pianos i think thats cool, but you're missing out on what this really is and thats a synthesizer for sound design.

[@C_Dot3]

Mike Patrick killed that organ demo though! I've been a Korg guy historically and most recently purchased one of those red boards lol (Wave 2)...This is definitely a competitor if you're looking for a do it all workstation that is competitive with the likes of the Nord Stage 4, especially with the sound-shaping options being more accessible with the 2nd screen and physical buttons/knobs (similar to Nord and what Korg lacks with all of their options hidden within the screens). Honestly, they might have even packed more into this thing than Nord has based on sound count, polyphony, and parts. Also, the sound quality seems to be on par or very close to Nord from this demo. I'm still not going to get one (ever), but I definitely think this is a step in the right direction for Yamaha for sure!

[@runestone1337]

Just a quick opinion on the new Montage M8x key action: I own a Nord Stage 3 88-key which I absolutely love, but the M8x GEX action beats it -- it feels like a real grand piano to me. It did take about a full day of playing to settle into it, though.

[@BappiSarker]

Sir I am Bappi Sarker from Bangladesh. I am a modx6 plus user for worship. Can you please help us to make some tons for worship. Can you help us to make ttone like Eleveation or HillSong. Oceans, Here I am, and Pad sounds Please.

[@judsonchristudas]

No poly-after touch on M7 & M6

[@judsonchristudas]

3 engines vs 9 engines on the Kronos 2. I am falling in love with my Kronos 2 again realising how powerful it is still.

[@akibe7608]

Thank you. I was going to get a Nord Stage 4 and looked at the Montage M .... and found a great deal for a Korg Kronos 2 AND couldn't be happier. It is pathetic that the Kronos is still the most powerful on the market.

[@judsonchristudas]

@@akibe7608 It is a keeper. Yes! The Kronos is still continuing to amaze us for 15+ years

[@masonarchard]

what is meant by three different engines think ,of 3 separate keyboards all in one.. like the way you keep it real.. thank you.

[@KellBailey]

THANK YOU SIR!!!

[@officialjerel]

The MODX is the affordable version of original Montage. I’ll be waiting for the $2500 version of this new model..

[@tiomkinnyborg2289]

3 engines. An 'engine' is a way of producing sound. AWM2 is sample based. FMX is an FM synth and the new? AN-X is an old synth from 1997. Each engine is separate from the others. You cannot mix elements from one with another. You can combine sounds from each into one giant sound. That is where the 400 note polyphony comes from. LA synthesis from Roland mixed types. You had samples and generated sound mixed to make an instrument. I thought the next gen would allow that but Yamaha doesn't create new things, they just rehash old tech with more power. Korg reinvents and improves stuff. Their FM take is better, intuitive and easier to get your head around than the 'inventors' of FM. But this new Montage has flashing lights and 10gig of samples. I can't wait for the White or Blue upgrade.

[@brandong6922]

The price of these new keyboards are getting crazy …I remember when flagship 88s were 4k

[@pbkeyscharlie]

Awesome vid bro. Quick question not related to this particular video but other videos I’ve watched. I’m a nord user so Yamaha won’t be getting coins from me after that purchase lol. But my question was what piano do you use for your nord for live experiences? Do you run stereo? And what tweaks would you recommend to get the best sound? In headphones like the board sounds amazing but I’ve noticed live performance doesn’t sound that great to be honest. So I feel like it may be my setup.

[@KellBailey]

Hey bro royal grand piano is my go to, also STEREO IS A MUST!!! On all keyboard setups lol. if it doesnt sound good it most likley not the Nord Its the speakers and system the nord is running through. Its always nice to boost the highs on the nord. I hope that helps!

[@pbkeyscharlie]

@@KellBaileyyes sir that’s clutch bro

[@Marian1st.]

I have the old Montage. Is it worth selling it and getting the new one? I see that the new one is easier to use and it also has some improvements in sounds and new features.

[@poldidak]

I had thought about doing the same, but when I saw they didn't include poly aftertouch on the M7 on this first iteration I didn't think it would be worth the additional cost to move up to the new model. I know not everyone cares whether or not it has PAT, but that would have been a big selling point for me, along with all the other new display features and the ANx engine.

[@garyhendrie4001]

I was expecting someyhing from you, not seeing a video i watched yesterday!

[@KellBailey]

LOLOL enjoy my commentary !!

[@kiko1935]

The reason why I was excited for this keyboard is because they have the ANX engine in it, which is allegedly based on the Yamaha AN1X that I used to own. And up until this point Yamaha has had the most TRASH virtual analog style synth sounds in their workstations (with a couple exceptions in the late 90's) AWM2 was sample based and not fun to program sounds on- so given this announcement I was hoping to hear some demos that really show off what the synth engine can do, but every demo so far I've heard that covers the synth section is very mid. Like one guy playing a pad, adjusting the filter and it sounds brittle. They really should have hired someone who produces hip hop, R&B or funk, who really gets nasty with those synthesizer sounds to show off what it can do. But I'm sure someone will do that in the future I just think that should have been a no-brainer from the start. I really don't care about hearing acoustic piano for the 5000th time

[@itsmaistro]

Board looks absolutely sick but that $4500 price point is crazy plus it's 60IBs. To heavy for me

[@KellBailey]

Lol agreed !!!!

[@j.dot_pd9807]

yeah, its definitely staying at home for sure 😂

[@MightyFLM]

The 88key workstations aren’t for taking to your local gig that’s why the YC is there. It’s meant to stay in the studio keep that tank at home. Get the 6 or 7 if you’re constantly on the road.

[@briann5001]

To me it's not an upgrade for any board if the keybed sucks

[@tuneunleashed]

@@briann5001 It has the same Keybed as the YC series

[@tonylancer7367]

3 Engines, remember the Kronos, 9 engines? Similar concept. I know some of our folks will only play piano on this and say, “But it’s the same as X/Nord is better/I play Keyscape anyway”, if that’s the case you’ve missed the point entirely. I like the evolution of this, but I’m interested in the plugin that’s coming next year, wonder what the pricing will be on that.

[@KellBailey]

Yes that makes sense!! And I did forget to mention the plug-in !! That’s going to be crazy 🔥

[@UDPride]

Based on what I am seeing and hearing it does appear to be a massive improvement. The GUI has always been "early 2000s" feeling but it seems like a step up and Ive yet to hear another board with better polyphonic aftertouch. Holy cow are some of the degrees of expressions impressive. I still think the Fantom's 808-like sequencer buttons built into it is the best sequencer setup on the market and the Fantom and its GUI is terrific. But its got major polyphony dropout issues and its aftertouch is a total joke. Korgs GUI is awesome at least on the Pa5x I have not used a Kronos, but its more of an arranger and is super expensive. If the new M8x simplified the sequencing, recording, rhythm creation and made it more visual and less text based that alone would be worth it and it seems like its not going to drop any notes with 400 notes of polyphony. Its also got better drawbars than all the others besides the Nord which also serve other functions. The second LCD screen is a huge upgrade and sort of Pa5x but better. I think Im going to pull the trigger on the M8x, with the Pa5x a close second and Fantom 8 third because its now the oldest of the three and has buggy issues I dont think can be solved with firmware. Roland needs to come out with a Fantom 8 2.0 and I think it would be the winner because the way the keyboard is laid out with the 808 like sequencer, pad section etc its great. It just needs a second drawbar GUI like the M8X, legit aftertouch, more polyphony. Its starting to show its age a bit.

[@DG-ss1gc]

After a week I can tell you this keyboard is very powerful, it puts the Kronos nautilus to shame . Don’t listen to 9 vs 3 engines, the korg engines are specialized , you can get any sound you want within the AnX, FMX and aWM . All three together and you’ve got incredible polyphony (400 notes) No keyboard comes close. So you can have a crazy pad going with awm and FMX and have bass and drums / accompaniment patterns all playing without having any voice dropout on your pad. This thing is powerful and I’ve only scratched the surface. The korg, and Kurtzweil are very close to it , the Kurtz may even sound better in a live acoustic venue , but for shear power and accessibility of interface the Montage M blows me we away. Will it replace my 909 , 303, on-6 or MPC ? No but you shoulda heard when I had them all going with Daw . As far as money goes , save for the montage and buy an American made moog while supplies last.

[@tuneunleashed]

Don’t know how I feel about it. What’s the point of buying it when Yamaha will release a Montage M VST

[@kerylmcjohnson9537]

VST is only for Montage M owners

[@kiko1935]

​@@kerylmcjohnson9537is that confirmed?

[@kerylmcjohnson9537]

Yeah in one of the launch videos I watched.

[@judsonchristudas]

Felt Piano and Tape Piano are inspired by some early patches on the Korg Kronos

[@eman0828]

This is really repackage hardware from the 90s and early 2000s in modern form. You can do all of this with the original Yamaha EX5, MOTIF and MOTIF ES series that had those Plugin boards. I still own all the classic hardware from that era. I have the MOTIF Rack-ES and the MOTIF ES6, along with the Roland Fantom-XR, Roland Integra-7, E-MU Proteus 2000 and E-MU Mo Phatt.

[@AudioAtmos]

This is a weird review or whatever it was suppose to be. First, he hasn’t even played one and then doesn’t even understand what a synth engine is. It seems this guy should just get a high quality digital piano and be done with it. Let the big boys deal with the heavy equipment. I don’t know if it’s fan boys for other brands or what, but the M8x is a beast and according to Fedex should arrive tomorrow!🤩

[@KellBailey]

Thanks for adding to the conversations ! hence the title "LETS TALK ABOUT IT" I'll be waiting for your review!

[@AudioAtmos]

@@KellBailey Thanks and I definitely come back and give it. I’ll try not to let my excitement blur my opinion. I appreciate your level response. I probably was a bit too abrasive with my OP. Most of what I wrote was provoked at some of the other negative comments I was reading. In all honesty this stuff is all relative and I’m busy reading the manual because I haven’t purchased a keyboard of this magnitude in a long time. Been using mostly soft synths and a midi controller. I also need to figure a way to fit it in my music room.

[@KellBailey]

@@AudioAtmos Lol no worries I know !! Hope you like it !

[@warrenroberts1912]

Not sure why anyone spends so much money on boards when we only use 5% of the instruments capability lol. Especially for gospel we only use like 4 or 5 sounds. Get some some VSTs and hookup your laptop. Get creative in that way. $4500 on a board is not the answer for gospel musicians.

[@KellBailey]

YEP!! Bingo lol got a video coming soon about this very thing !!

[@GospelMusic4Life]

I think part or the reason we got in the habit of 4-5 sounds is because back in the day people may have been more uncomfortable with some of the extra sounds we use today.

[@warrenroberts1912]

​@GospelMusic4Life true. BUT i think there is a certain sound gospel has that tends to keep some guys away from exploring. I myself have VSTs and i explore that way. I like "soundscapes" and run service like im scoring a film so I use lots of sounds tastefully.

[@GospelMusic4Life]

@@warrenroberts1912 It’s more accepted now as a lot has changed in gospel but then could be harder for those set in their ways to branch out. 😀 I’ve had directors ask me to change sounds in the past when I tried to do that but then that was years ago. I do a lot of experimenting at home these days.

[@user-wn7vb5rx1n]

Well take yo butt and get a Yamaha tx. You get what you use the sounds are decent.

[@caleb.winfield]

The Nord killer 👀

[@KellBailey]

Ofcourse not !!! Lol doubt it !

[@kerylmcjohnson9537]

@@KellBailey why not?

[@KellBailey]

@@kerylmcjohnson9537 because Nord has established itself as a good trustworthy company same as Yamaha. Nord will be around for a very long time especially if they continue to market well.

[@kerylmcjohnson9537]

@@KellBailey I think Nord is the Apple of keyboards. They no doubt make great products but they are also heavy on PR 😁

[@judsonchristudas]

Not really......@@kerylmcjohnson9537

[@briann5001]

If you look closely at his wrist, youll see that his wrist are not relaxed on pino rather shaky, this is usually a sign of keybed to player inalignment. Dont take my word look at his wrist "on piano". Notice that on the synths and strings whiich he prefers on here in several videos, its easier to play. He clearly is not that impressed with piano velocity, dont listen to the video listen ro his wrist verse his ease of use on the nord. I am not even a nord fan and saying this. #Respect and blessings

[@kerylmcjohnson9537]

I had suspected for a while but from their release its clear that Yamaha's target audience is not the gospel community. Like they aren't just bothered

[@itsmaistro]

You'd be surprised how many companies really don't care for the gospel community. Man of there audience are the classical and rock European community unfortunately. This is why man gravitate to nord because they actually show case musicians from different communities

[@kerylmcjohnson9537]

@@itsmaistro to be fair the gospel community (we) make a very small percentage of their market share so it's not surprising. Even if all the gospel keyboard players move to Nord, Yamaha numbers won't be too affected. Credit to Nord though they capitalized massively on this and went in heavy with the marketing

[@itsmaistro]

@@kerylmcjohnson9537 agreed

[@tuneunleashed]

@@kerylmcjohnson9537honestly we can’t even compare these two. Yamaha is 136 years ahead of Nord. Just way way way waaaaay ahead.

[@joycomesfromjesus8991]

The best sounds that come out of that board is played by a gospel musician. I wouldn't pay attention to whether they target gospel musicians or not. And to be honest Mike Patrick is gospel through and through and he demos their product the best.

[@MikeHenrick1]

If your good. You make anything sound good. Nord. Roland. Yamaha. Korg etc. Spend more time playing and less time messing with gear and sounds. This is as much advice for me as anyone else. I used to play better years ago as I was playing all the time. Now I spend more time wasting time. Like watching KZbin videos and working etc. To much tech and distractions. Personally I want a setup that doesn’t exist yet. Roland are close with the fantom 8 and korg pa5x. Mix them with a Kawai keybed and some Yamaha sounds and the Rhodes v8. That would be close. And speakers

[@herunderwear]

There's no power in a sound bank without midi control... . Still not mentionning any improvement concerning their previous toyish sequencer Since 2 years, i keep telling them along with other guys that reported this major issue to upgrade their sequencer to a fully functional one. if this hasn't been done in the yamaha m series, tones of ppl won't give a toss about geting rid of their previous montage for another sound system. since prehistory, synthesizers arrived with a stupid rec button that evolved over years, with korg, roland, & co. Some trolls have recently pretended that they could use software based sequencers, but what they don't understand is that the osmosis can be lost by moving from a stupid synth to a pc & that some controllers specific to some synths like the knob won't be found in stupid pc softwares. not even mentioning undo & redo to compare after event edition & the stupid transition again from the pc & synth. cuting back full sequencers functions on a synth with todays evolutions of the synthesizers market is immature, companies dont understand they're losing customers by doing this. no event edition ? no section based quantization (with a quantization+volume adaptation for a humanizing new function for piano, to even outpass logic pro's humanize function) ? no section based velocity change with differet curves (including fade in & out) ? no notes transposition with + or -(number of semitones) ? no track section insertion ? no track section copy ? no full track to track copy ? then yamaha can go keep playing with their soundbank without a serious sequencer & go sell it $5000 to the trolls who think there are more explicit sequencers than a korg's one for example in the world of softwares.. yamaha clearly regressed/downgraded their sequencer since the "Motif" experience. if this isn't fixed, i won't say sayonara to modx & the previous one but to yamaha m too. & wait for more serious keyboards to come, from korg for ex

[@KUPHSER]

No offence but you say you weren’t fan of original montage and then follow on later to say you don’t understand much about synthesis.. the fm-x is such a powerful sound design tool and that is half of montage.. you get the most out of a montage when you understand fm.. youd then also get a real opinion on the synth

[@KellBailey]

Wasn’t a fan of the montage due to the keybed alone!! That was a huge dealbreaker for me. The pianos on the montage pretty MID aka “basic”. As far as the synth and the capabilities of the board I have no doubt that it is amazing and the possibilities are limitless. Great board not for me. I prefer Nord based on the style of music I play.

[@user-wl4rp9tk2y]

KIND OF LAME BEING THAT YOU DONT HAVE ONE TO PLAY.

[@KellBailey]

Thank you for your kind comment!

[@lavoicebrandon27]

Yeah i switched to Roland I won’t switch back until that new update of 2024 that allows all DAW